And for people that missed it the first time. Here it is again.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RodgersOutClub/status/529007565863411712/photo/1

comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 57 seconds ago
I said at the time, Rob, that Moyes would have been better off shipping out lots of players and brining in new ones.

Many didn't want him to mess with a title winning team, which is understandable, but it'd have shown some authority in doing so - which he quite clearly lacked - and would probably have bought him more time as people would have been more forgiving of any slow progress as it would have been a new side. As we are now seeing with LVG.
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Yeah, makes a lot of sense

I'm off for dinner. I want at least 200 comments when I return. Have fun guys, and VC, have fun too

You Liverpool fans have an excuse for everything.

What do you have Say my Name? Hopefully it's Ebola

comment by Mex- El Tigre and Fideo! Muy Muy Bueno (U6687)
posted 2 minutes ago
What do you have Say my Name? Hopefully it's Ebola
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Darren

True, but do you realistically think Moyes had the funds LVG had. It seemed many at the club weren't fully aware of the size of the task at hand including Moyes so spending was low relative to the year after by which time it was clear big bucks was needed to be spent. Even half way through this summers window many felt there was no way we would spend the money we went on to spend. Also factor in Woodward was a year wiser after our failing last summer.

But saying that, if Moyes did have the funds LVG had I don't think he would have been as ruthless and pro active as LVG had been this summer.

Hard to compare certain elements but one things for sure, LVG is a superior manager and more comfortable managing big clubs and egos.

comment by #Robb - Fellaini's right foot. (U19350)
posted 34 minutes ago
VC

In addition to that the 3 penalties that weren't given were ALL penalties according to the letter of the law. WE were lucky that we didn't even have one given against us.

Smalling was booked and rightly so.
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only 1 was a penalty

geez, robb you are a right muppet

articles like this are why you are a joke on these boards

Not that it really matters but I thought there were 3 clear penalties.

Felaini recklessness knees the back of Aguero's knee. Rojo's was another reckless challenge that took down his man while Blind's arms were not in a natural position and clearly a handball.

The Carrick one wasn't a pen however.

comment by Mancblueloz (U6305)

posted 35 minutes ago

Did you think they were legit penalties vidic?

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Loz

One of them. But then, it isn't about what I think.

Haha how do you bother with cc robb! Obvious wum, no way he can be too dense to distinguish the incomparable situations. Smalling booked and sent off, justice served job done. Nothing to do with luck. Three penalties not given, refereeing incompetence favouring one team unjustly = luck.

Could have been hammered if the red was up to his job.

I put that as clearly as possible for him, if he can't get he's talking nonsense I'd cease and desist immediately.

Smalling was booked and rightly so.

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Bollox. You will see that just given as a freekick and nothing more, just as often as you will see players booked for it.

I have no problem with the ref booking him for that, by the way. But he could just have easily not done so, had we have had a bit of luck.

Last season whether it would have been Moyes, LVG or even if Fergie had stayed, I think the team would have struggled, the difference being that it probably would have been less of a struggle under LVG or Fergie compared to Moyes.

I backed Moyes for a long time last season, wishing him to really impose himself on the team, but it never just worked out. I thought he was right to bring in his own team, because that is what any manager would do, but he never ever looked comfortable as Utd manager, he never exuded confidence, and the players looked like they were going through the motions rather than realing busting a gut for their manager. The board didn't seem to fully back him, and of course generally speaking the transfers were a mess - we needed to bring a number of fresh faces, but ended up with one at the start and another in January, and in isolation weren't going to do much.

You can aportion some blame to the players, the board, even Fergie etc, but in the end the buck stops with Moyes and he just wasn't up to convincing his squad to have full belief in him, or strong enough to demand more from the board, which is understandable in his situation. He neede to show a real arrogant streak, a real self belief (like LVG has) but that was lacking.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but the only way for me Moyes would have has a chance of success is if he spent a season as number 2 to Fergie, so that the players got used to him and he got used to Utd, but going from Everton number 1 to Utd number 2 was never going to happen.

With LVG, you can tell the players are with him, the board believes in him and he has great confidence in himself to succeed - doesn't mean he will, but it will buy him the greatest amount of time possible to prove himself. He has been fortunate that many of the usual suspects haven't started great this season, so we are not far off 4th, and even allowing for injuries, our squad looks strong and I believe LVG will get these players to gel over the coming months and the results will follow.

Currently we are a team that can play nice football but lacking consistency to pick up points, but I'm sure that will come. With Moyes it was more hope, with LVG, as well as having better players, you truely feel that it will get better.

VC

You seem to be the first person who feels Smalling's first booking could have equally not been given.

Pretty sure by the letter of the law an obstruction like that is a bookable offence and was rightly given.

Felaini recklessness knees the back of Aguero's knee. Rojo's was another reckless challenge that took down his man while Blind's arms were not in a natural position and clearly a handball
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What? That blind handball was never a pen in a million years.
Rojo one was a pen, second aguero one was a pen. Fellaini challenge on aguero wasn't imo. Thought aguero went down like a sack of shît from minimal contact

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)




posted 2 minutes ago



VC

You seem to be the first person who feels Smalling's first booking could have equally not been given.

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The first one yes.

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Pretty sure by the letter of the law an obstruction like that is a bookable offence and was rightly given.

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We see refs follow the letter of the law all the time don't we?

Oh hang on, no we do not.

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Smalling's second booking following the letter of the law yes.

Now I am pretty sure that Clichy and I think it was Zab both got away with very similar fouls without a booking.

Letter of the law and all that. Luck on City's side there, yes?

The content of the OP is everything I hate about our glory supporters. A true Manc would never try to be so impartial.

Manc Python

Fair enough, different views. For me Blind's arms are in an unnatural position which led to the handball. Watch the Fellaini one and you will see he smacks his right knee on the back of Aguero's knee which makes him completely lose his balance. I thought he went down too easily from Carrick's challenge.

2033

If the Blind 'handball' was worthy of a penalty then VC is Santa Claus.

VC

What's that got to do with Smalling?

Smalling was rightly sent off for 2 bookable offences. Your point to Rob was Smalling, not anything else.

Think the 2 yellows for smalling are as blatant as you are going to get all season
First one he has tried blocking hart from taking a quick kick. Just like stopping a quick free kick its a yellow
Second one is a blatant yellow for the foul

Zabaleta was lucky he didn't get sent off as he defo deserved a red for his challenges

Finally a United Fan admits this.

Everton at home. Against Chelsea some more super saves stopped Chelsea winning by a couple and we were very lucky the ref didn't see Chris 'the Rock' Smalling wrestling in the box as well as were massively fortunate to see Ivanovic sent off.

I still think United will get 4th purely because Liverpool and Tottenham aren't as good

1982, I agree the situations are different.

I'm not saying he should have done what LVG. I'm saying he should have sold and bought more than he did.