it seems your more than happy to make out that any improvement people are claiming to see is largely down to luck like we are the only club in the PL to have decisions go our way, which is far from the truth.
Rob's trying to make out we got lucky we didn't get a smashing because Moyes got a smashing with eleven men whereas this season we didn't with ten.
I don't think it has papered over the cracks. We are talking about the actual evidence of what has happened where as you're talking about hypothetical situations. I don't think there's one United fan on here that would say our defence needs sorting out big time and that our attackers aren't really firing. However play has improved rendering your article pointless.
Not at all.
People seem to think we're on the right track against City when in reality on another day we'd have lost 5-0.
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from Juans article.
how the fúck should we have lost 5-0 when we created clear cut chances we should have scored.
we maybe could have lost 5-4, but not 5-0.
comment by Dunc, pleasurer of women, envy of men (U11713)
posted 54 seconds ago
Not at all.
People seem to think we're on the right track against City when in reality on another day we'd have lost 5-0.
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from Juans article.
how the fúck should we have lost 5-0 when we created clear cut chances we should have scored.
we maybe could have lost 5-4, but not 5-0.
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Are you really this dumb? I know you're in Doncaster but are you like, from Doncaster?
Had the ref done his job and we went down to 9 men (it really was clear as day to anyone bar the most rabidly subjective United fan) we would certainly not have made that many chances. We would have gone in 2-0 down at half time with 9 men. We would have been very lucky to have left the ground with anything less than a 5-0 loss. Do you honestly think with 9 men we would have scored 4 times?
I mean, are you really from Doncaster?
so its all hyperthetical bóllocks then.
youre obviously on one of your "look at me, noone has given me any attention in a while" missions.
like i said earlier, youre making out that every little decision is going our way when in effect you couldnt be further from the truth.
Here he goes again with his narcissistic tone again. It probably was a pen but he did get his foot to the ball so not sure on that one. Thought the other two were more obvious than that one.
comment by Dunc, pleasurer of women, envy of men (U11713)
posted 51 seconds ago
so its all hyperthetical bóllocks then.
youre obviously on one of your "look at me, noone has given me any attention in a while" missions.
like i said earlier, youre making out that every little decision is going our way when in effect you couldnt be further from the truth.
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Nice reply! Hypothetical is talking about chances we missed. Reality is saying that the ref not only did us a HUGE favour with that one but also with 2 other clear penalties.
I know it hurts to hear that United got extremely lucky the other day and that DDG has been the difference between us losing 3 games out of 4 but this season our defence is so bad we should get used to a lot of games where if DDG isn't in top form we'll be conceding allll the goals.
You can't just talk about the luck from the last three games, which I don't even think was that extreme other than the City game then forget about the bad luck in the games before that. If we'd have been given all the penalties we should have been and they were converted or that ridiculous Leicester decision didn't go against us, we'd be 2nd or 3rd right now.
Robb, I know you used to live in Australia, but are you, actually Australian?
You certainly seem to have the footballing knowledge of your average, longhaired Aussie who wears boardies and kicks a football like a 6 year old.
comment by Busbybabes - Bítch (U19985)
posted 27 seconds ago
Robb, I know you used to live in Australia, but are you, actually Australian?
You certainly seem to have the footballing knowledge of your average, longhaired Aussie who wears boardies and kicks a football like a 6 year old.
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Get back to your weed smoking and join the conversation after you've sobered up
other than the city game, im confused where all this luck from the last few games has come from.
cant be ársed to read all the way through Robb so please enlighten me
Jeez is this article still going.... Can't be bothered reading the 200+ posts since I last read this. Lets look at the incidents in the match from a Ref's view ( I did the course 20 years ago due to lack of ref's in our Sunday league). Fellaini on Aguero ... cannot give it as view is restricted so if in doubt . NO PEN..(plus aguero went down to easily.
Rojo toe poked the ball and the ball changed direction so no Pen.
Fellaini and Carrick on Aguero was a Pen but hard to give as there was minimal contact and once again Aguero went down like a sack of potatoes.
The Handball one was ball to hand at close range, again no Pen.
There was also 2 incidents against UTD as well.
Zabeleta should of gone for 2 bookable offences and also Hart could of gone or at least got a yellow for getting in the face of the Ref after the Smalling booking when there was no need to.
IN the end Robb 1-0 was a fair result. Utd are improving and once we can have a settled back four and hopefully bring in a couple of more players, we will get even better and results will also improve
So Robb stop feckin whinging and nit picking
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 hours, 30 minutes ago
Moyes had issues that made his job harder, of course. Be he still didn't do well enough and never really looked like he would.
LVG has had issues that have made his job harder but still hasn't done good enough so far. Whether he looks like he will do remains to be seen. But I think there's more chance of him rebuilding United into a top side than Moyes ever would have.
Time will tell. Moyes and LVG were brought into do two different jobs and so direct comparisons are difficult to make.
And we can only speculate what LVG would have done coming into replace Fergie and how Moyes would have done doing what LVG has had to do.
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In a nutshell
comment by Busbybabes - Bítch (U19985)
posted 17 minutes ago
Robb, I know you used to live in Australia, but are you, actually Australian?
You certainly seem to have the footballing knowledge of your average, longhaired Aussie who wears boardies and kicks a football like a 6 year old.
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I don't get the argument that Zabaleta should have gone. It's assuming that he would have still made the same tackle had he already been given a yellow card, which he wouldn't have done. He's not Smalling...
LVG has turned Fellaini into what looks like something resembling a midfielder
That's the stuff of genius
I think both sides in this debate have relevant points.
First forget Moyes. We finished 7th and he was rightly sacked.
LVG has had a poor start. That cannot be denied. We sit 10th. I said earlier in the thread he gets a 3 out of 10 from me. That doesn;t mean however that over the next couple of months he won't get a 10. Signs are improving
We need to start winning games though. Starting this weekend. Pretty sure we will too
I don't get the argument that Zabaleta should have gone.
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Melts
In my case it wasn't that he should have gone, but how you perceive luck.
Robbs article is heavily (idiotically is probably a better word) biased on luck City didn't have.
The Zab comments are a reverse of those.
One could say that because Zab didn't get booked for a foul very similar to the one Smalling earnt his second yellow for, then Smalling was unlucky to be sent off.
He wasn't at all, but that isn't the point.
Hope that makes sense. In the end this is really one of the OP's most pathetic articles ever. So far I have only seen one idiot agree with him.
Yep, I get it in that context VC.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
I don't get the argument that Zabaleta should have gone.
.........
Melts
In my case it wasn't that he should have gone, but how you perceive luck.
Robbs article is heavily (idiotically is probably a better word) biased on luck City didn't have.
The Zab comments are a reverse of those.
One could say that because Zab didn't get booked for a foul very similar to the one Smalling earnt his second yellow for, then Smalling was unlucky to be sent off.
He wasn't at all, but that isn't the point.
Hope that makes sense. In the end this is really one of the OP's most pathetic articles ever. So far I have only seen one idiot agree with him.
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An improvement on 7th would not be failure considering the hand LvG was dealt. A far worse one than Moyes
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Don't be stupid.
Moyes -
Past it Rio, Evra, Vidic with Cleverley, Carrick and Fletcher as his midfield. Young and Valencia on the wings. RVP missing lots of the season with no world class replacement at #9. Also a far better top 4 than this season.
LVG -
Shaw, Hererra, Rojo, Blind, Falcao and Di Maria all signed.
_______________________
That is not the hand that LVG was dealt - those are his own signings you muppet.
Your own comment demonstrates that you believe those players are better than what LVG inherited yet you give him no credit for signing them in the first place.
Give them time to gel. I'll be as vocal as anyone in criticising the manager if we are still tenth in April but not at the beginning of November.
Do people really not think that low confidence (from last season), injuries, individual errors and new players settling in have all played their part and will take time to sort out?
Against Chelsea some more super saves stopped Chelsea winning by a couple
...............
You mean the game De Gea was a spectator and Courtois saved them from getting a hammering. De Gea saves in the game were one didier drogba shot 1st half straight at him, 2nd half Chelsea scored from resulting corner after Hazard shot wa saved so really that 40yd shot from Willian and Drogba save were it.
I knew our near completely dominant performances would mean we will win a lot of games once bad luck goes out of it and freakish stats for opposition nearly scoring every shot they have.
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posted on 4/11/14
it seems your more than happy to make out that any improvement people are claiming to see is largely down to luck like we are the only club in the PL to have decisions go our way, which is far from the truth.
posted on 4/11/14
Rob's trying to make out we got lucky we didn't get a smashing because Moyes got a smashing with eleven men whereas this season we didn't with ten.
posted on 4/11/14
I don't think it has papered over the cracks. We are talking about the actual evidence of what has happened where as you're talking about hypothetical situations. I don't think there's one United fan on here that would say our defence needs sorting out big time and that our attackers aren't really firing. However play has improved rendering your article pointless.
posted on 4/11/14
Not at all.
People seem to think we're on the right track against City when in reality on another day we'd have lost 5-0.
-----------
from Juans article.
how the fúck should we have lost 5-0 when we created clear cut chances we should have scored.
we maybe could have lost 5-4, but not 5-0.
posted on 4/11/14
comment by Dunc, pleasurer of women, envy of men (U11713)
posted 54 seconds ago
Not at all.
People seem to think we're on the right track against City when in reality on another day we'd have lost 5-0.
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from Juans article.
how the fúck should we have lost 5-0 when we created clear cut chances we should have scored.
we maybe could have lost 5-4, but not 5-0.
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Are you really this dumb? I know you're in Doncaster but are you like, from Doncaster?
Had the ref done his job and we went down to 9 men (it really was clear as day to anyone bar the most rabidly subjective United fan) we would certainly not have made that many chances. We would have gone in 2-0 down at half time with 9 men. We would have been very lucky to have left the ground with anything less than a 5-0 loss. Do you honestly think with 9 men we would have scored 4 times?
I mean, are you really from Doncaster?
posted on 4/11/14
so its all hyperthetical bóllocks then.
youre obviously on one of your "look at me, noone has given me any attention in a while" missions.
like i said earlier, youre making out that every little decision is going our way when in effect you couldnt be further from the truth.
posted on 4/11/14
Here he goes again with his narcissistic tone again. It probably was a pen but he did get his foot to the ball so not sure on that one. Thought the other two were more obvious than that one.
posted on 4/11/14
comment by Dunc, pleasurer of women, envy of men (U11713)
posted 51 seconds ago
so its all hyperthetical bóllocks then.
youre obviously on one of your "look at me, noone has given me any attention in a while" missions.
like i said earlier, youre making out that every little decision is going our way when in effect you couldnt be further from the truth.
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Nice reply! Hypothetical is talking about chances we missed. Reality is saying that the ref not only did us a HUGE favour with that one but also with 2 other clear penalties.
I know it hurts to hear that United got extremely lucky the other day and that DDG has been the difference between us losing 3 games out of 4 but this season our defence is so bad we should get used to a lot of games where if DDG isn't in top form we'll be conceding allll the goals.
posted on 4/11/14
You can't just talk about the luck from the last three games, which I don't even think was that extreme other than the City game then forget about the bad luck in the games before that. If we'd have been given all the penalties we should have been and they were converted or that ridiculous Leicester decision didn't go against us, we'd be 2nd or 3rd right now.
posted on 4/11/14
Robb, I know you used to live in Australia, but are you, actually Australian?
You certainly seem to have the footballing knowledge of your average, longhaired Aussie who wears boardies and kicks a football like a 6 year old.
posted on 4/11/14
comment by Busbybabes - Bítch (U19985)
posted 27 seconds ago
Robb, I know you used to live in Australia, but are you, actually Australian?
You certainly seem to have the footballing knowledge of your average, longhaired Aussie who wears boardies and kicks a football like a 6 year old.
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Get back to your weed smoking and join the conversation after you've sobered up
posted on 4/11/14
other than the city game, im confused where all this luck from the last few games has come from.
cant be ársed to read all the way through Robb so please enlighten me
posted on 4/11/14
Jeez is this article still going.... Can't be bothered reading the 200+ posts since I last read this. Lets look at the incidents in the match from a Ref's view ( I did the course 20 years ago due to lack of ref's in our Sunday league). Fellaini on Aguero ... cannot give it as view is restricted so if in doubt . NO PEN..(plus aguero went down to easily.
Rojo toe poked the ball and the ball changed direction so no Pen.
Fellaini and Carrick on Aguero was a Pen but hard to give as there was minimal contact and once again Aguero went down like a sack of potatoes.
The Handball one was ball to hand at close range, again no Pen.
There was also 2 incidents against UTD as well.
Zabeleta should of gone for 2 bookable offences and also Hart could of gone or at least got a yellow for getting in the face of the Ref after the Smalling booking when there was no need to.
IN the end Robb 1-0 was a fair result. Utd are improving and once we can have a settled back four and hopefully bring in a couple of more players, we will get even better and results will also improve
So Robb stop feckin whinging and nit picking
posted on 4/11/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 hours, 30 minutes ago
Moyes had issues that made his job harder, of course. Be he still didn't do well enough and never really looked like he would.
LVG has had issues that have made his job harder but still hasn't done good enough so far. Whether he looks like he will do remains to be seen. But I think there's more chance of him rebuilding United into a top side than Moyes ever would have.
Time will tell. Moyes and LVG were brought into do two different jobs and so direct comparisons are difficult to make.
And we can only speculate what LVG would have done coming into replace Fergie and how Moyes would have done doing what LVG has had to do.
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In a nutshell
posted on 4/11/14
comment by Busbybabes - Bítch (U19985)
posted 17 minutes ago
Robb, I know you used to live in Australia, but are you, actually Australian?
You certainly seem to have the footballing knowledge of your average, longhaired Aussie who wears boardies and kicks a football like a 6 year old.
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posted on 4/11/14
I don't get the argument that Zabaleta should have gone. It's assuming that he would have still made the same tackle had he already been given a yellow card, which he wouldn't have done. He's not Smalling...
posted on 4/11/14
LVG has turned Fellaini into what looks like something resembling a midfielder
That's the stuff of genius
I think both sides in this debate have relevant points.
First forget Moyes. We finished 7th and he was rightly sacked.
LVG has had a poor start. That cannot be denied. We sit 10th. I said earlier in the thread he gets a 3 out of 10 from me. That doesn;t mean however that over the next couple of months he won't get a 10. Signs are improving
We need to start winning games though. Starting this weekend. Pretty sure we will too
posted on 4/11/14
I don't get the argument that Zabaleta should have gone.
.........
Melts
In my case it wasn't that he should have gone, but how you perceive luck.
Robbs article is heavily (idiotically is probably a better word) biased on luck City didn't have.
The Zab comments are a reverse of those.
One could say that because Zab didn't get booked for a foul very similar to the one Smalling earnt his second yellow for, then Smalling was unlucky to be sent off.
He wasn't at all, but that isn't the point.
Hope that makes sense. In the end this is really one of the OP's most pathetic articles ever. So far I have only seen one idiot agree with him.
posted on 4/11/14
Yep, I get it in that context VC.
posted on 4/11/14
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
I don't get the argument that Zabaleta should have gone.
.........
Melts
In my case it wasn't that he should have gone, but how you perceive luck.
Robbs article is heavily (idiotically is probably a better word) biased on luck City didn't have.
The Zab comments are a reverse of those.
One could say that because Zab didn't get booked for a foul very similar to the one Smalling earnt his second yellow for, then Smalling was unlucky to be sent off.
He wasn't at all, but that isn't the point.
Hope that makes sense. In the end this is really one of the OP's most pathetic articles ever. So far I have only seen one idiot agree with him.
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posted on 5/11/14
An improvement on 7th would not be failure considering the hand LvG was dealt. A far worse one than Moyes
---------------------------------------------------------------
Don't be stupid.
Moyes -
Past it Rio, Evra, Vidic with Cleverley, Carrick and Fletcher as his midfield. Young and Valencia on the wings. RVP missing lots of the season with no world class replacement at #9. Also a far better top 4 than this season.
LVG -
Shaw, Hererra, Rojo, Blind, Falcao and Di Maria all signed.
_______________________
That is not the hand that LVG was dealt - those are his own signings you muppet.
Your own comment demonstrates that you believe those players are better than what LVG inherited yet you give him no credit for signing them in the first place.
Give them time to gel. I'll be as vocal as anyone in criticising the manager if we are still tenth in April but not at the beginning of November.
Do people really not think that low confidence (from last season), injuries, individual errors and new players settling in have all played their part and will take time to sort out?
posted on 3/12/14
Against Chelsea some more super saves stopped Chelsea winning by a couple
...............
You mean the game De Gea was a spectator and Courtois saved them from getting a hammering. De Gea saves in the game were one didier drogba shot 1st half straight at him, 2nd half Chelsea scored from resulting corner after Hazard shot wa saved so really that 40yd shot from Willian and Drogba save were it.
I knew our near completely dominant performances would mean we will win a lot of games once bad luck goes out of it and freakish stats for opposition nearly scoring every shot they have.
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