comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 46 seconds ago
We live in a small world and much of the western culture recognises the same insults. I have always known that spitting on the ground at someone's feet is a show of contempt. It really isn't even worth discussing.
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TBH I have heard of it and seen it and I am not 29 yet.

I didn't even bother acknowledging the point because I highly suspect Cout is just being a
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Yep, that is what I was thinking. I just can't believe that anyone wouldn't recognise that action as a show of contempt/disrespect.

Here is an example from the UK where Phil Brown accuses Cesc Fabregas of spitting at the feet of his assistant manager Brain Horton. If it isn't a recognised insult in the UK, why would Phil Brown take exception to it. It is even in your beloved Guardian Cout!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2009/mar/18/spitting-cesc-fabregas-brian-horton

Obviously you have gone back in time and made that up Elvis...

Either that or you and Phil Brown must hang around with some backwards neanderthal types to have knowledge of such things!

And another UK example:

http://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=2150976

comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
Obviously you have gone back in time and made that up Elvis...

Either that or you and Phil Brown must hang around with some backwards neanderthal types to have knowledge of such things!
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I can't even believe that I am having to prove that it is an insult. Who doesn't know that?

Are these two telling me that they wouldn't take it as an insult if someone they were arguing with spat on the ground in front of them?

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 46 seconds ago
We live in a small world and much of the western culture recognises the same insults. I have always known that spitting on the ground at soumeone's feet is a show of contempt. It really isn't even worth discussing.
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TBH I have heard of it and seen it and I am not 29 yet.

I didn't even bother acknowledging the point because I highly suspect Cout is just being a
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Yep, that is what I was thinking. I just can't believe that anyone wouldn't recognise that action as a show of contempt/disrespect.
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Like I said there should be plenty of references to this then. More than the 2 you've provided?

Can't say I've seen it as a prevalent thing in UK culture. But let's humour you to prevent another long drawn out article. Spitting at someone's feet is still spitting at someone, the clue is in the description.

Either way, and I really am bored of this now, there's fans like yourself, trying to justify it by claiming he spat at Cisse's feet. There's fans who outright deny he spat at Cisse. Then there's fans who think he shouldn't have received a ban.

My comment all them pages ago that United fans can't judge us, even though we didn't defend Skrtel, are true. I said United fans, not all for the benefit of TPNM, had defended Evans. This argument is further proof.

Spitting at someone's feet is still spitting at someone, the clue is in the description.
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Your being intentionally thick now cout.

For example if I was to say someone grovelled at someone else's feet.

Are they actually ontop of their feet?

Or are they on the ground next to their feet?

The answer is very simple but I expect you'll get it wrong.

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even though we didn't defend Skrtel
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If Skrtel had stamped the ground next to De Gea you would all be going wild about his ban.

I can find more examples if you'd like me to make you look even more stupid?

I notice you failed to answer my question as to why Phil Brown would be so upset if it wasn't a commonly regarded insult. I guess it is only me and Phil Brown in the whole of the UK that recognise it hey? Oh, and SAFTLFP of course. Just us three.

And no, spitting at someone's feet isn't the same as spitting at them. Spitting at someone's feet is spitting at the ground not the person. The clue is in where the spit lands.

Finally, I haven't justified anything. I have repeated that several times. You just aren't intelligent enough to understand what I am saying or are trying to wum me. I don't have a problem with Evans getting banned. What he did wasn't nice or a good example. I just don't think that he was guilty by the letter of the laws of the game. But I'm not really that bothered.

What I like about this thread is that it's keeping happy memories of our last game fresh in everyone's mind

If they let us play them every week we'd be champions by now.

SAF

Evans was charged with spitting at an opponent. What is the definition of spitting at someone? It's spitting in their direction, be it their feet, their head, or the floor in front if them. Doesn't matter whether he intended to hit him, or do it as a show of disrespect. He still spat at Cisse, no ifs no buts.

We've seen quotes from fans who denied he even spat, we've seen quotes from fans who say he shouldn't be banned, citing he spat on the floor (see above still spitting at Cisse). These are all defending him, giving a reason why he should not be punished, or trying to justify his actions in some way.

My original claim that some United fans defended him is correct. Yes or no?

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
SAF

Evans was charged with spitting at an opponent. What is the definition of spitting at someone? It's spitting in their direction, be it their feet, their head, or the floor in front if them.
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Where did you get this definition from? Is it the FA's definition or your definition?

Evans was charged with spitting at an opponent. What is the definition of spitting at someone? It's spitting in their direction, be it their feet, their head, or the floor in front if them. Doesn't matter whether he intended to hit him, or do it as a show of disrespect. He still spat at Cisse, no ifs no buts.
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Spitting at the ground in front of someone is not the definition of spitting at someone...

If you were to say to a friend that somebody spat on you they would be surprised when you told them the story and it turned out that the other person actually spat at the floor in front of you.

It is at best misleading and at worst just plain dishonest of you.

Who the hell denied he spat at all?

Pretty sure everyone knew he actually spat....

And your original quote was

"and plenty of yours defending Evans."

Don't try and change it now to aha I have found 1 or 2 so now I am right.

Your words were plenty and tbh half the examples you did manage to find were just an English fail on your behalf rather than a post actually defending Evans.

The question Cout needs to ask himself is, if someone tries to spit on the floor in front of someone, what are they spitting at? Are the spitting at the floor, or are they spitting the person?

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
SAF

Evans was charged with spitting at an opponent. What is the definition of spitting at someone? It's spitting in their direction, be it their feet, their head, or the floor in front if them.
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Where did you get this definition from? Is it the FA's definition or your definition?
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http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/spit-at

There you go.

I can't even believe that I am having to prove that
it is an insult. Who doesn't know that?
Are these two
*****
I did not say it is not an insult.

While you're here Mamba, cheers for your kind words on that MuDD sharticle. The guy really thinks he's on some kind of moral crusade to paint me as some sort of demon.

The guy really needs to get a life. He's just ended up embarrassing himself for no good reason than to slate another poster. Shame really. He's such a daredevil.

The only culture that matters here isn't the culture of football. On football people spit at beach other. Any action where spit intentionally leaves your mouth directed at another person is spitting at them. Whether the spit lands on that person is irrelevant. Players have had trouble for spitting towards the technical bench even. This culture argument is laughable to me, sorry.

comment by Robb - Fellaini's left foot. (U20351)
posted 5 minutes ago
While you're here Mamba, cheers for your kind words on that MuDD sharticle. The guy really thinks he's on some kind of moral crusade to paint me as some sort of demon.

The guy really needs to get a life. He's just ended up embarrassing himself for no good reason than to slate another poster. Shame really. He's such a daredevil.
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Fair play, you didn't leave this time

comment by Mamba - Break it down... Ohohohohohohohoh... Now Stop! Mamba time (U1282) (U13041)
posted 1 minute ago
The only culture that matters here isn't the culture of football. On football people spit at beach other. Any action where spit intentionally leaves your mouth directed at another person is spitting at them. Whether the spit lands on that person is irrelevant. Players have had trouble for spitting towards the technical bench even. This culture argument is laughable to me, sorry.
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Erm, wasn't it Cout that brought the culture argument into it? Sure that he said that spitting at someone's feet wasn't a show of contempt in the UK. Or words to that effect. I have shown that he was wrong.

comment by Robb - Fellaini's left foot. (U20351)
posted 3 minutes ago
While you're here Mamba, cheers for your kind
words on that MuDD sharticle. The guy really thinks
he's on some kind of moral crusade to paint me as
some sort of demon.
The guy really needs to get a life. He's just ended
up embarrassing himself for no good reason than to
slate another poster. Shame really. He's such a
daredevil.
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I can't get my head round why someone would be going on like that on a public forum. It's pubescent. We went pound for pound on football matters and LVG vs Moyes, early knockout and guess what? He started trawling my profile and sheet. Dude got serious issues. Can see what you have to live with, hang in there bud.

SAF

"Spitting at the ground in front of someone is not the definition of spitting at someone..."

Yes it is.

Spit at - to force saliva from your mouth in the direction of someone.

"Who the hell denied he spat at all?"

There were quotes posted by me and Mamba, you've seen them. Quite a few pages back now. Go and have a look.

""and plenty of yours defending Evans."

Don't try and change it now to aha I have found 1 or 2 so now I am right."

Where did I say 1 or 2?

I stand by what I said, plenty of fans.

Some defending him saying he spat at his feet. Others denying he spat at all, others saying they don't think he should be banned at all. All defending him.

*The only culture that matters here is the culture of football. In football people spit at each other

I went through your profile to expose you as a hypocrite. This is not difficult to do or achieve. There is a reason why your history is not deleted on this forum.

It helps people understand you better. Like your buddy Robb for instance

Did anyone seriously deny that Evans spat at all?

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 19 minutes ago
The question Cout needs to ask himself is, if someone tries to spit on the floor in front of someone, what are they spitting at? Are the
spitting at the floor, or are they spitting the person?
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They are spitting at that person. This much is clear.