comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
No you did not answer

You swerved
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You: .........United fans were making a statement of fact no?

Me: No........


How did I swerve the question?

Still no answer to my questions.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 3 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 14 seconds ago
omment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 4 hours, 30 minutes ago
Can't believe this is still going!

MUDD

for the sake of clarity read this bit carefully.

Neither me or Mamba have said United fans defended Evans for spitting on Ciise.

We are saying United's fans defended Evans for spitting at Ciise. There were plenty of comments saying he wasn't spitting at Ciise, he was spitting on the pitch, can you honestly say that if he was compelled to spit he couldn't have done it away, or not in Ciise's direction?.

There were also plenty of fans saying he shouldn't get a ban. Why shouldn't he have been banned? (In the eyes of these fans). It's because they believe he didn't do anything wrong.

This isn't difficult. It's being made difficult by yourself, and others, fixating on the words 'spat on'.
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My personal opinion is that he spat at Cisse's feet as a show of disrespect. I don't believe that he tried to spit on Cisse. Ergo, he spat in Cisse's direction not AT him. Very easy to understand.
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So spitting in someone's direction, particularly someone you're standing over, is not spitting at someone? Of course it is.

So, one one hand we have fans, like yourself, that don't think Evans spat at Ciise, but accept the ban (which is a contradiction considering he was charge with spitting at another player)

Then you have other fans who don't think he deserves a ban.

But you're not defending him. Seriously lads, this is getting daft now.
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I am not defending him - I actually wanted him to get banned as I don't rate. But intentionally spitting at someone's feet is not the same as spitting at them. You are instead spitting in their direction. The laws of the game state that you cannot spit AT an opponent and I don't believe that Evans did spit at Cisse.

But as I said at the time, I don't really think that spitting at an opponents feet is a particularly good example for kids watching the game, so am fine with the ban.
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Elvis, with respect if you're standing over someone and you spit, at their feet or on the floor, of course you're spitting at them. You're spitting in their direction.

Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.

But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well

*video

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.

But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well
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You don't know if he spat at Cisse. Only Evans knows for sure. My opinion is that he just tried to spit at his feet as a show of contempt, which I don't count as spitting at someone.

At the time I have said that I wasn't bothered about the ban as I don't rate Evans and because even spitting at an opponents feet is a bad example.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
Nope - spitting at them is an attempt to hit them. Spitting at their feet is spitting at their feet. Neither are nice though as I have stated several times and I have no problem with the ban.
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See this is what I've been trying to get through to MUDD. Saying he was spitting at his feet, as if it's a fact, is one way of defending him. From the visor footage one thing is obvious, and not opinion, is that he spat in the direction of Ciise. I'm not going to speculate whether he intended to hit him, the pitch or his feet. The bottom line is he spat at Ciise.

But, in fairness Elvis you acknowledge he was in the wrong and deserves the ban. Although you said you're fine with the ban because you don't rate him as well
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You don't know if he spat at Cisse. Only Evans knows for sure. My opinion is that he just tried to spit at his feet as a show of contempt, which I don't count as spitting at someone.

At the time I have said that I wasn't bothered about the ban as I don't rate Evans and because even spitting at an opponents feet is a bad example.
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Where in the world is spitting at someone's feet a show of contempt?

I'm not sure if you're from England, or even the UK, but I'm my 30+ years I've never heard of that being a done thing, on or off the pitch.

Spitting at someone's feet is spitting at that person. The offence of spitting entails spitting at someone. Whether its at their feet, back, head it doesn't matter and whether they connect is irrelevant.

Interesting article from The Guardian about spitting.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2003/nov/06/newsstory.sport1

No where does it mention spitting at someone's feet being a cultural sign of contempt.

Quite frankly this conversation is pointless with people who don't speak fluent English, the fact you continously fail to understand the simplest of points is a reflection of your English ability rather than a failing of those you misunderstand....

He spat on the floor thats the only real fact we have here, pointing out that he spat at the floor is only stating facts.

If you think the facts defend Evans then you are obviously attacking him based on something that contradicts the facts.

It really is very simple!

Perhaps its a cultural sign in Timbuktu. Evans would certainly not know about it anyway.

comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 2 minutes ago
Quite frankly this conversation is pointless with people who don't speak fluent English, the fact you continously fail to understand the simplest of points is a reflection of your English ability rather than a failing of those you misunderstand....

He spat on the floor thats the only real fact we have here, pointing out that he spat at the floor is only stating facts.

If you think the facts defend Evans then you are obviously attacking him based on something that contradicts the facts.

It really is very simple!
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SAF

Oh dear, back to this are we?

My comprehension of English, both reading it and writing, is sound thanks.

Stick to bleating 'he spat on the floor' in isolation as if a fact is being stated. We both know 'he spat on the floor' is being used to refute an allegation that Evans spat at Ciise.

The facts are, yes he spat on the floor. But he did so whilst standing over Ciise, and in his direction. This much is clear from what we've seen on the video evidence.

Oh, as an aside, I'd consider learning the difference between two simple words, on and at, before preaching about others being able to use the English language.

Perhaps in Timbuktu when people say he spat on the floor they actually mean he didn't do anything wrong ever...

It would at least explain you and Coutinho's reasoning....

comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
Perhaps in Timbuktu when people say he spat on the floor they actually mean he didn't do anything wrong ever...

It would at least explain you and Coutinho's reasoning....
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Excellent use of English there

My comprehension of English, both reading it and writing, is sound thanks.
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As evidenced by this article you seem to have rather sizable problems comprehending people's words, enough to get by for sure but you'll certainly run into difficulties with anything more complex!

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Stick to bleating 'he spat on the floor' in isolation as if a fact is being stated.
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Wait, what?!

He did spit on the floor, are you denying this now?!

That he spat on the floor is a fact that can't be denied TBH.

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The facts are, yes he spat on the floor. But he did so whilst standing over Ciise, and in his direction. This much is clear from what we've seen on the video evidence.
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Yes, as has been pointed out by the United fans he did spit on the floor, but did it far too close to Cisse...

The problem comes when people stating facts like he did spit on the floor are accused of defending Evans when they are pointing out simple facts by scousers who seem very confused...

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Oh, as an aside, I'd consider learning the difference between two simple words, on and at, before preaching about others being able to use the English language.
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I am not the one who has had a problem with it...

I think you'll find it wasn't me who was posting a fact wrote by another user and claiming it was a defence of Evans, that was either you or Mamba...

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
Perhaps in Timbuktu when people say he spat on the floor they actually mean he didn't do anything wrong ever...

It would at least explain you and Coutinho's reasoning....
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Excellent use of English there
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Quite frankly missing an rs of you to make the sentence a bit more readable is small fry compared to your repeated comprehension fails!

comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 3 minutes ago
My comprehension of English, both reading it and writing, is sound thanks.
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As evidenced by this article you seem to have rather sizable problems comprehending people's words, enough to get by for sure but you'll certainly run into difficulties with anything more complex!

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Stick to bleating 'he spat on the floor' in isolation as if a fact is being stated.
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Wait, what?!

He did spit on the floor, are you denying this now?!

That he spat on the floor is a fact that can't be denied TBH.

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The facts are, yes he spat on the floor. But he did so whilst standing over Ciise, and in his direction. This much is clear from what we've seen on the video evidence.
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Yes, as has been pointed out by the United fans he did spit on the floor, but did it far too close to Cisse...

The problem comes when people stating facts like he did spit on the floor are accused of defending Evans when they are pointing out simple facts by scousers who seem very confused...

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Oh, as an aside, I'd consider learning the difference between two simple words, on and at, before preaching about others being able to use the English language.
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I am not the one who has had a problem with it...

I think you'll find it wasn't me who was posting a fact wrote by another user and claiming it was a defence of Evans, that was either you or Mamba...


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Why we're they posting this statement of fact?

Is it because;

A) They like posting random statement of facts for the sake of it?

Or

B) They're posting this statement of fact in response to the allegation he spat at Ciise?

Please answer this, then we can move on.

comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
Perhaps in Timbuktu when people say he spat on the floor they actually mean he didn't do anything wrong ever...

It would at least explain you and Coutinho's reasoning....
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Excellent use of English there
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Quite frankly missing an rs of you to make the sentence a bit more readable is small fry compared to your repeated comprehension fails!
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Nope, that doesn't make much sense either.

Bet you regret preaching about our understanding of English.

or

C) the article was about the Cisse Evans incident so people were posting facts about the incident...

(Little side point, genuinely not point scoring, his name is i double s e, not double i s e.)

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
Perhaps in Timbuktu when people say he spat on the floor they actually mean he didn't do anything wrong ever...

It would at least explain you and Coutinho's reasoning....
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Excellent use of English there
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Quite frankly missing an rs of you to make the sentence a bit more readable is small fry compared to your repeated comprehension fails!
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Nope, that doesn't make much sense either.

Bet you regret preaching about our understanding of English.
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Okay all the slightly jokey comments I made about your problems understanding English were accurate!!

I thought I was just taking the mick, turns out you really do have problems understanding English!

comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 31 seconds ago
or

C) the article was about the Cisse Evans incident so people were posting facts about the incident...

(Little side point, genuinely not point scoring, his name is i double s e, not double i s e.)
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Why would they post facts about the incident?

Maybe because they were answering the question, in the article, of whether they think Evans should get a ban. For example 'no because he spat on the floor'.

Or perhaps because during the discussion people accused Evans of spitting at Cisse. In response they argued that he'd spat on the floor and not at Cisse.

Both are defending Evans.

comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by SAF_The_Legend-FreePalestine(7) (U5768)
posted 4 minutes ago
Perhaps in Timbuktu when people say he spat on the floor they actually mean he didn't do anything wrong ever...

It would at least explain you and Coutinho's reasoning....
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Excellent use of English there
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Quite frankly missing an rs of you to make the sentence a bit more readable is small fry compared to your repeated comprehension fails!
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Nope, that doesn't make much sense either.

Bet you regret preaching about our understanding of English.
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Okay all the slightly jokey comments I made about your problems understanding English were accurate!!

I thought I was just taking the mick, turns out you really do have problems understanding English!
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Alright professor. What does this mean?

"Quite frankly missing an rs of you"

Alright professor. What does this mean?

"Quite frankly missing an rs of you"
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Exactly what it says you idiot.

add rs to you and you have the word yours.

As you complained about the English in my original couple of sentences where the only thing close to a mistake was writing, you and Coutinho's reasoning instead of yours and Coutinho's reasoning.

Although I am starting to think that wasn't even the part you were pointing to as not making sense and you are probably just a bit thick...

SAF

Have you figured out the difference, with your alleged superior knowledge of English, between spat at and spat on yet?

Why would they post facts about the incident?
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Because that is what the article was about...

The same way if United fans were discussing our defence we might post facts up regarding the amount of goals we've conceded...

Them posting a fact regarding our goals conceded doesn't mean they think everyone of our defenders is world class...

Them posting a fact regarding our goals conceded doesn't mean they think our defence works brilliantly as a unit together...

It could in fact mean exactly what it looks like...

A fact regarding our goals conceded.

You can't criticise United fans based on hidden meanings you are finding in people's messages, I would suggest that is your own paranoia!