comment by Juan Kerr (U1841)
posted 53 seconds ago
I am God. There. I've made my appearance.

Happy now?
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Cool. Does it bother you awfully that I don't go to church?

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 3 minutes ago
And what sort of all loving, forgiving god is it that is so egotistical that he commands people to worship him? LMAO.

According to the fairy tales I was told, he basically says "Love me and you'll be alright. Don't and you will suffer for all eternity" Nice guy yeh?
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Did this God tell you this or are you reading man's interpretation of what God is supposed to be?

Very simple question really
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According to the fairy tales I was told.

The answer to the "very simple question" was in the bit you quoted.

Did this God tell you this or are you reading man's interpretation of what God is supposed to be?
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What other interpretation is there?

Take away man's interpretation of ancient religious texts and what exactly are you left with that justifies your sanctimonious drivel?

Why is talking to God called praying, yet hearing a reply from God is called Paranoid Delusion?

Is everyone rowing with each other now.
This is what religion does.
This thread is a great micro study on the matter
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Well, no it isn’t. It’s a great micro study of how humans behave.

John Lennon was a fvcking hippy, if we got rid of all religion, we would still behave like this, we would just find another reason for doing it.

If we’re reducing everything to empirical rationality, national borders, for example, ought to be nothing more than an administrative convenience, yet we invest a whole lot more mythical bullsh.it in them, than that, and we kill and die for nebulous and not very empirical concepts we invest in them.

Attacking somebody for their beliefs is just another manifestation of the same insanity that we are accusing others of. It’s been going on since humans first walked the earth, and as can be seen from this thread, shows no signs of letting up.

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Golem [CLEGANEBOWL 2K16 CONFIRMED!] #HYPEISREAL (U17162)
posted 1 minute ago
Is everyone rowing with each other now.

This is what religion does.
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Yep. Everyone wants to argue that the ancient book they follow is better than the ancient book that other people follow.


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Who has debated different religions and which is the best one.
Not one single debate like that on JA606.

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 2 minutes ago
So, he should put in a performance to satisfy your specific need? Right? If there is a creator, we are an insignificance.

What I want my dear atheists to explain to me is how biota developed from metamorphic and igneous rocks.

Please explain that to me, you know, being experts in science and knowing everything
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How is it any of your business if someone chooses not to believe in a god? Who died and made you a prophet?

Unless you can scientifically prove your own beliefs then you are on shaky ground trying to debunk what others believe.

Let's see you prove that these people are wrong...
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I am not a prophet, I just cannot stand the patronising attitudes demonstrated by extremists of any creed including atheists that do not make sense scientifically.

They use science to bash people but this same science rubbishes their "beliefs."

To prove them wrong is very simple, our existence indicates that the science behind the origin of our planet, especially the big bang and the appearance of biota in a cosmic vacuum are scientific impossibilities.

I am studying the planet and have written a few papers with like minds as we are not satisfied with the "accepted views" as they are BS.

I am not advocating the existence of a higher power or saying a religion is better than another. I am humble to admit to not knowing what happened and do not make fun of people.

So it annoys me when I see people who do not understand basic science gob off about knowing stuff science has not managed to identify an accurate infallible theory to.

We can model everything, planetary behaviour, etc but the origin of this universe.

I find it fascinating that jumped up know it alls categorically state, there is no creator, this is just a series of random events.

I find views like these insane

"Cool. Does it bother you awfully that I don't go to church?"

No, not at all. In fact, I'd prefer it if you all stayed away from such corrupting places.

comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 3 minutes ago
And what sort of all loving, forgiving god is it that is so egotistical that he commands people to worship him? LMAO.

According to the fairy tales I was told, he basically says "Love me and you'll be alright. Don't and you will suffer for all eternity" Nice guy yeh?
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Did this God tell you this or are you reading man's interpretation of what God is supposed to be?

Very simple question really
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According to the fairy tales I was told.

The answer to the "very simple question" was in the bit you quoted.
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So we could make an argument that "God's message" has never been purely passed on, right?

Not sure why anyone considers spiritual documents as facts, they are not

comment by Wessie Road (U10652)
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I disagree. Most people have moderate views and tolerate the opinions of others. As this thread shows, it is only when people aggressively push their own agenda that arguments ensue. It is only when people are told that they are idiots for not agreeing with a religion that the fighting starts.

MUDD "I find it fascinating that jumped up know it alls categorically state, there is no creator,"


Do you find it equally fascinating that other jumped up know it alls categorically state there is a creator?

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 3 minutes ago
Did this God tell you this or are you reading man's interpretation of what God is supposed to be?
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What other interpretation is there?

Take away man's interpretation of ancient religious texts and what exactly are you left with that justifies your sanctimonious drivel?
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Please read my comments and the background to them, it saves me repeating myself.

You clearly do not understand the point I am making

comment by Wessie Road (U10652)
posted 2 minutes ago
Is everyone rowing with each other now.
This is what religion does.
This thread is a great micro study on the matter
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Well, no it isn’t. It’s a great micro study of how humans behave.

John Lennon was a fvcking hippy, if we got rid of all religion, we would still behave like this, we would just find another reason for doing it.

If we’re reducing everything to empirical rationality, national borders, for example, ought to be nothing more than an administrative convenience, yet we invest a whole lot more mythical bullsh.it in them, than that, and we kill and die for nebulous and not very empirical concepts we invest in them.

Attacking somebody for their beliefs is just another manifestation of the same insanity that we are accusing others of. It’s been going on since humans first walked the earth, and as can be seen from this thread, shows no signs of letting up.

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I said much the same thing yesterday. Much less wordy, and drew it out over several posts.

comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 11 seconds ago
MUDD "I find it fascinating that jumped up know it alls categorically state, there is no creator,"


Do you find it equally fascinating that other jumped up know it alls categorically state there is a creator?
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I do as well, especially the ones who say he spoke to them.

I ask them, what did his voice sound like and they get offended

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 20 minutes ago
"It frustrates me even more when someone thinks they are an intelligent voice of reason and yet do the same things they condemn the opposite way round."

I'm a leftie at heart but some of the sentiments on this sight make me swing far more right than I actually am, and ditto the other way round. They are far more similar than they realise!
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I haven't really offered an opinion on here, just pointed out how some posters are arguing to an extreme on both sides.

By doing this I have been accused of all sorts by Kung Fu. You see exactly the same when someone calls out someone arguing on the other side with them being called terrorist sympathisers.

Its pretty pathetic all-round really.
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Notice how I didn't accuse you of anything before you started lying about me.

Please provide the bit where I was hypocritical.

MUDD have you been labeled a terrorist sympathizer yet on here?

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Wessie Road (U10652)
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I disagree. Most people have moderate views and tolerate the opinions of others. As this thread shows, it is only when people aggressively push their own agenda that arguments ensue. It is only when people are told that they are idiots for not agreeing with a religion that the fighting starts.


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Nobody on here has asked anybody to agree with Islam on here so don't lie.

The most anybody has done is provide proof that those acts aren't Islamic which is then refuted by people who know nothing about the religion in question.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 16 seconds ago
MUDD have you been labeled a terrorist sympathizer yet on here?
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Not on this thread, but in others. I have been labelled anti-west though because I said we created this mess.

It is sad though that we cannot own up to our feck ups but want muslims to take responsibility for the behaviour of maniacs we helped arm.

To each his own

I am not a prophet, I just cannot stand the patronising attitudes demonstrated by extremists of any creed including atheists that do not make sense scientifically.
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You are backtracking now. You clearly stated that atheists are the worst.


"They use science to bash people but this same science rubbishes their "beliefs."
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No they don't. SOME might but in general they do not. What you just said is the equivalent of calling all religious people extremists.


"To prove them wrong is very simple, our existence indicates that the science behind the origin of our planet, especially the big bang and the appearance of biota in a cosmic vacuum are scientific impossibilities."
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Bollox. Just because somehting cannot yet be explained, that does not mean it is impossible. Real scientists understand this. Think about it, if science could explain everything then there would be no need for any scientific study or exploration.


"We can model everything, planetary behaviour, etc but the origin of this universe."
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And you think this is "proof" of a creator? So basically you are saying that there must be a god because humans don't know everything there is to know. Very clever.



"I find it fascinating that jumped up know it alls categorically state, there is no creator, this is just a series of random events."
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I am not an atheist but I find it fascinating that a jumped up know-it-all can categorically state there is a creator despite having no evidence to back that up.

I find it even more staggering that this jumped up know-it-all can act like such a díck about it.

never understood the criticisms of drones personally

it's about as 'surgical' as you can get in a combat situation and completely minimises collateral damage.

comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Wessie Road (U10652)
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I disagree. Most people have moderate views and tolerate the opinions of others. As this thread shows, it is only when people aggressively push their own agenda that arguments ensue. It is only when people are told that they are idiots for not agreeing with a religion that the fighting starts.


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Nobody on here has asked anybody to agree with Islam on here so don't lie.

The most anybody has done is provide proof that those acts aren't Islamic which is then refuted by people who know nothing about the religion in question.
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Well done for proving my point perfectly.

I did not even mention Islam anywhere in my comment - it was a general point about religion in response to another poster's general point about religion. He did not mention Islam either.

Yet YOU have managed to turn my comment into an issue with your own religion specifically - and you even call me a liar in the process.

Thank you for proving my point that religion turns people into irrational and aggressive idiots.

You are backtracking now. You clearly stated that atheists are the worst.
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Yes, because they base their arguments on science which as a scientist I find particularly offensive.



Bollox. Just because somehting cannot yet be explained, that does not mean it is impossible. Real scientists understand this. Think about it, if science could explain everything then there would be no need for any scientific study or exploration.
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It is a scientific impossibility for organic matter to exist in metamorphic rock or igneous rock or organic matter to exist without light/water/air. This is proven. I am sure you studied this in elementary school when you were taught the differences between living things and non living things. The science here is understood and 100% not debatable

And you think this is "proof" of a creator? So basically you are saying that there must be a god because humans don't know everything there is to know. Very clever.
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No, I am saying we do not know and should not make categorical statements. Do you actually read my posts? This is why I was upset with atheists, they do not know but make categorical statements. Please read my posts


I am not an atheist but I find it fascinating that a jumped up know-it-all can categorically state there is a creator despite having no evidence to back that up.

I find it even more staggering that this jumped up know-it-all can act like such a díck about it.
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At no point have I categorically stated there is a creator. I said, we are studying the planet and universe because theories do not add up.

Please read my posts, you are debating positions I have not taken

comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by redmisty (U7556)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Wessie Road (U10652)
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I disagree. Most people have moderate views and tolerate the opinions of others. As this thread shows, it is only when people aggressively push their own agenda that arguments ensue. It is only when people are told that they are idiots for not agreeing with a religion that the fighting starts.


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Nobody on here has asked anybody to agree with Islam on here so don't lie.

The most anybody has done is provide proof that those acts aren't Islamic which is then refuted by people who know nothing about the religion in question.
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Well done for proving my point perfectly.

I did not even mention Islam anywhere in my comment - it was a general point about religion in response to another poster's general point about religion. He did not mention Islam either.

Yet YOU have managed to turn my comment into an issue with your own religion specifically - and you even call me a liar in the process.

Thank you for proving my point that religion turns people into irrational and aggressive idiots.


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You must know that you are being idiotic?

"As this thread shows, it is only when people aggressively push their own agenda that arguments ensue. It is only when people are told that they are idiots for not agreeing with a religion that the fighting starts"

"AS THIS THREAD SHOWS"

How can you not be talking about Islam? And if you are not talking about Islam maybe arrange your words differently or not use some at all.

This is proven. I am sure you studied this in elementary school when you were taught the differences between living things and non living things.
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I was told a lot of things in elementary school which have since been proven to be bollox. Lack of understanding of how life was created is not proof of a creator (and I believe in God).

Accept this and get over it.



"At no point have I categorically stated there is a creator."
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No, you just slated anyone who does not believe in a creator.

What's the difference? You criticise atheists for being intolerant of other peoples' beliefs yet you are acting like the most intolerant, sanctimonious person I have encountered in a long, long while. Much more so than any atheist I have ever met.

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