comment by Juan Kerr (U1841)



posted 19 minutes ago


"You just want the UK to lie down and let terrorism win, don't you?"

VC - sometimes you are a complete and utter fückwit. You can't extrapolate that from the comment he made, you oaf.

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Well, yes I can.

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Daniel F. (U20547)
posted 2 minutes ago
If they start bombing Raqqa do you think IS will just stay there being bombed?
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Most of them are not even there.

But their brains are.
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IS are not stupid.You may take out individuals but you won't defeat them that way.
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Exactly, you are fighting an ideology. The russians found that out the hard way in Afghanistan.

These guys do not fear death, however the people backing them do. Those are the ones that need to be carpet bombed to oblivion

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 29 seconds ago
People need to ask themselves the following questions

1) Where are they getting ammo for the weapons they are using
2) Where is the money coming from
3) Who gains from another conflict in the ME?

Think about it
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1) They are now getting ammo from their rich friends in Saudi and co who share their form of Islam.
2) As above I'd imagine
3) In Syria? Certainly not us.
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1) The same Rich friends that Cameron and the west bow to? The same rich friends with the most horrendous of human right abuses

2) As above

We should frankly butt out of the ME

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 29 seconds ago
People need to ask themselves the following questions

1) Where are they getting ammo for the weapons they are using
2) Where is the money coming from
3) Who gains from another conflict in the ME?

Think about it
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1) They are now getting ammo from their rich friends in Saudi and co who share their form of Islam.
2) As above I'd imagine
3) In Syria? Certainly not us.
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So, who should our efforts target then? The rent for war mercenaries ISIS or their sponsors?
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Good question. It's all a bit of a pickle really.

I'd like to think we could, in some way help the Middle East find peace.

comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 29 seconds ago
People need to ask themselves the following questions

1) Where are they getting ammo for the weapons they are using
2) Where is the money coming from
3) Who gains from another conflict in the ME?

Think about it
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1) They are now getting ammo from their rich friends in Saudi and co who share their form of Islam.
2) As above I'd imagine
3) In Syria? Certainly not us.
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1) The same Rich friends that Cameron and the west bow to? The same rich friends with the most horrendous of human right abuses

2) As above

We should frankly butt out of the ME
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Thank you. If we are serious about ending terrorism in the region, the bombs should start falling on Saudi Arabia

We certainly need the muslims in this country to be more vocal against ISIS. Heard on the news that an entire family of several generations have gone out to Syria. What and who do they even think they are fighting for and against ?
There is so much brainwashing, recruiting of young people going on from Boko Haram to al Qaeda to ISIS etc. Child soldiers etc.
ISIS are a serious threat, like a virus spreading across the globe and need stopping. Almost random terror acts
are pretty much impossible to stop and more and more of these will occur

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 29 seconds ago
People need to ask themselves the following questions

1) Where are they getting ammo for the weapons they are using
2) Where is the money coming from
3) Who gains from another conflict in the ME?

Think about it
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1) They are now getting ammo from their rich friends in Saudi and co who share their form of Islam.
2) As above I'd imagine
3) In Syria? Certainly not us.
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So, who should our efforts target then? The rent for war mercenaries ISIS or their sponsors?
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Good question. It's all a bit of a pickle really.

I'd like to think we could, in some way help the Middle East find peace.
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I believe we can achieve that, deal with the source, our good friends, the Saudis

Question to Muslims on here:
Does Islam teach about forgiveness or revenge?
Remember recently, a boy walked into a church and killed 9 innocent people. The victims families looked at him and said he is forgiven.
So I am keen to hear the thoughts of the Muslims on here on the subject of forgiveness.

comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 29 seconds ago
People need to ask themselves the following questions

1) Where are they getting ammo for the weapons they are using
2) Where is the money coming from
3) Who gains from another conflict in the ME?

Think about it
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1) They are now getting ammo from their rich friends in Saudi and co who share their form of Islam.
2) As above I'd imagine
3) In Syria? Certainly not us.
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1) The same Rich friends that Cameron and the west bow to? The same rich friends with the most horrendous of human right abuses

2) As above

We should frankly butt out of the ME
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Butt out how? Who knows what additional firepower these lunatics could get their hands on... That nutter in Korea is one thing, but imagine IS getting hold of nukes and or chemical weapons.

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
BerbaKing11 (U6256)

That wedding was an isolated incident, wasn't it?

I agree if innocent people are losing their lives this was it's wrong.

But two wrongs to not make a right and hundreds and thousands of people killed by militant groups and the Syrian Army is certainly something that needs to be corrected, somehow.

Again, nobody is excusing drone attacks on innocent people, either you seem to forgive any wrongdoing as long as the guilty party are Muslim, sorry but that's how it comes across.
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Busby, this post is a bit confused sounding but let me try and respond....

All people killed by drones are innocent people. A person is presumed innocent until proven otherwise in a court of law. So by default, all deaths by drone are extra judicial murder. At best those killed are 'suspects', which still makes it murder. Suspects are innocent until proven otherwise also. We either uphold basic laws and moral principles, or we don't. I think we should, and I suspect you and others agree here.

The deaths of those in the civil war is undoubtedly tragic - but remember that that Syrian civil war was exacerbated by the West - those militant groups, now called ISIS, were supported by us. I posted an article on it early drawn from a Pentagon report. It needs to be corrected, but not by the people who have had a major hand in it's creation in the first place - us!

I'm not forgiving wrong doing by anyone. This is fairly simple and so often, and so frustratingly, gets completely misunderstood or ignored, so I'll try, desperately, to make this point again:

If we are all genuinely concerned with reducing global terrorism (or any other problem for that matter), we have to look at the route causes and catalysts. We already know that our policies play a major role in creating hatred among various populations. That hatred is easily turned into radical action, often with horrible consequences, unfortunately.

So we should address the route causes - put massive pressure on our governments to stop funding and supporting brutal regimes, stop funding and backing brutal, extremist militant groups, stop bombing and invading countries, stop supporting Israel, withdraw military bases from other people's regions and so on.

Will that end the problems completely? No, but it's an important first step. The lingering issues should be dealt with through good police work (on a global level where necessary), repairing relations with other states, massive financial reparations, supporting democratic movements, humanitarian aid etc...

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by The_Red_Cognoscente (U9741)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 29 seconds ago
People need to ask themselves the following questions

1) Where are they getting ammo for the weapons they are using
2) Where is the money coming from
3) Who gains from another conflict in the ME?

Think about it
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1) They are now getting ammo from their rich friends in Saudi and co who share their form of Islam.
2) As above I'd imagine
3) In Syria? Certainly not us.
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1) The same Rich friends that Cameron and the west bow to? The same rich friends with the most horrendous of human right abuses

2) As above

We should frankly butt out of the ME
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Thank you. If we are serious about ending terrorism in the region, the bombs should start falling on Saudi Arabia
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They are busy with their own bombing of Yemen !

Muslims are vocal about ISIS but I do not see why they need to be.

ISIS are crazed lunatics who think they are muslims. Why should muslims be held to account for the actions of crazed lunatics.

I however advocate that any one who leaves this country to go and fight for ISIS should have their citizenship revoked and if they survive and return be charged with treason

"until proven otherwise in a court of law. "

Not in war...

This threat of levelling Raqqa is in direct response to the fact that anyone lying on a beach today is twitching.

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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 1 minute ago
Muslims are vocal about ISIS but I do not see why they need to be.

ISIS are crazed lunatics who think they are muslims. Why should muslims be held to account for the actions of crazed lunatics.

I however advocate that any one who leaves this country to go and fight for ISIS should have their citizenship revoked and if they survive and return be charged with treason
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Muslims shouldn't be held to account for ISIS, but Muslims are the sector of our populace that are being recruited, hence the communities need to reinforce to their members that IS is toxic.

comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Daniel F. (U20547)
posted 32 minutes ago
ISIS headquarters in Raqqa, Syria is the target.

Vast bombardments, using B52s, would inevitably mean civilian casualties.

They call it collateral damage and although it will be biblical and it will be a success.

However the media will report it as murder.
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Because it is murder.

Where in that tiny head of yours do you think that who ever survives the families that are murdered in your war, won't grab an AK47 and attack the London Tube next in retribution?

Or do you expect a human being to watch his/her entire family wiped out with one bomb and then carry on with life as normal, unaffected?
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What about the families of the Tunisian massacre victims?
Is it okay for them to grab an AK47 to target other innocent Muslims? Because that is what you response above is suggesting.
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No it's not ok to target innocent people in any situation
The psychological impact of the trauma these people have encountered might lead them to do such things though
They would not be thinking with a sane mind

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 20 seconds ago
The West will do nothing to harm Saudi with very good reason.
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It is actually in our economic interests to bomb Saudi Arabia. Not national security interests but economic interests

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comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 minutes ago
Muslims are vocal about ISIS but I do not see why they need to be.

ISIS are crazed lunatics who think they are muslims. Why should muslims be held to account for the actions of crazed lunatics.

I however advocate that any one who leaves this country to go and fight for ISIS should have their citizenship revoked and if they survive and return be charged with treason
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Muslims are not held to account and I agree they shouldn't but it would help in their very tight, even 'closed' communities if they come out vocally against ISIS. The reason because so many of these muslims are potential recruits and are being brainwashed and recruited. Because they need to come out and say ISIS are nothing to do with Islam. It just carries much more clout from within those communities if that happens rather than say only the media and politicians for example condemning them

comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 20 seconds ago
The West will do nothing to harm Saudi with very good reason.
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It is actually in our economic interests to bomb Saudi Arabia. Not national security interests but economic interests
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How do you work that out?
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Think of those barrels of oil we could tap

Ferraris for all Brits

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 24 minutes ago
I would be interested to hear what peoples opinions are as to how we combat terrorism/ war crime, if not by going to war with them?

And I don't mean attacks on only the west, I mean the civil war going on in Syria.
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The maximum we should do is send humanitarian aid.

No guns, no money and no war.

Imagine what the Middle East would be like if we didn't hand over those things.

It was in relative peace before we carved it out like a cake including Palestine. Since then it has been non stop war and our dictators killing people.

We should leave well alone and maybe take care of people at home. We are supposed to be an advanced country and we have people visiting food banks.

Muslims shouldn't be held to account for ISIS, but Muslims are the sector of our populace that are being recruited, hence the communities need to reinforce to their members that IS is toxic.

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Finally.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 16 minutes ago
Terrorism is winning - *our* terrorism. You are showing the classic signs of someone firmly in the 'we are the good guys,

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I sincerely hope I do.

I really would not want to display the classic signs of supporting terrorism.

I am quite shocked at how many of you there are on this site to be honest.
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Some of us are opposed to all terrorism, that's the difference. A difference you are clearly not willing to engage in as evidenced by the fact that on two separate occasions now you've ignored the vast majority of what I've written, included an article that I linked, and decided to deliberately misrepresent my position.

What's more shocking is you have the gaul to regularly romp around here calling others 'cretins', and response like one yourself with no sense of irony whatsoever.

Here's a few simple questions for you:

a) have you actually read and understood what I've written, and if so, are you able and willing to actual respond appropriately.

b) did you read the article I posted

c) are you just on the WUM?