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comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS , it's them Scooters again. ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 16 minutes ago
Where's the self pity?
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Not necessarily you, but many are.
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Fringe players have been getting a go in cups since the milk cup. It wasn't pioneered due to success or visionary managers. it was pragmatic. Good sides did it because they had more depth, shiite sides did it if they had other priorities. And at the end of the day, having a bigger squad and more comps to compete in makes it more possible and beneficial to rotate,
Playing kids in a cup group match isn't arrogant, it's pragmatic and priority based.
You learn what the fringe players have to offer, get them fit in case they're needed because of injury, and keep squad morale up as sitting on the bench with no competitive match time for months on end is soul destroying.
I don't get the Villa point. If it was two league matches I'd expect us to put out much stronger sides. Maybe a couple of players rotated to increase odds for the second match, If we were playing Villa in a European group match (if that's even possible) then I'd play the kids and focus on the league.
Not sure any of what you typed is 'facts', just opinions I don't agree with.
i wanted a win against bordeaux, and i agree wholeheartedly with what you have said,
Except of course for the length of flight, i think you have over-estimated there
we should be attempting to qualify for the europa purely on the shortest trip and the home games, that leaves the two further flung trips to be negotiated by the youths.
bordeaux was an opportunity lost.
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comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 29 seconds ago
Fringe players have been getting a go in cups since the milk cup. It wasn't pioneered due to success or visionary managers. it was pragmatic. Good sides did it because they had more depth, shiite sides did it if they had other priorities. And at the end of the day, having a bigger squad and more comps to compete in makes it more possible and beneficial to rotate,
Playing kids in a cup group match isn't arrogant, it's pragmatic and priority based.
You learn what the fringe players have to offer, get them fit in case they're needed because of injury, and keep squad morale up as sitting on the bench with no competitive match time for months on end is soul destroying.
I don't get the Villa point. If it was two league matches I'd expect us to put out much stronger sides. Maybe a couple of players rotated to increase odds for the second match, If we were playing Villa in a European group match (if that's even possible) then I'd play the kids and focus on the league.
Not sure any of what you typed is 'facts', just opinions I don't agree with.
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the point with villa is that the length of journey is very similar,
its reasonable to want to rest senior players if you are off to eastern russia, you wont want them tired from the trip at the weekend,
what rap is saying is that bordeaux in terms of travel time is very similar to many of our PL games, which you would expect our first team to be able to negotiate twice a week.
The reason we didnt expect much from our early fixtures is that Rodgers had given us no reason to expect us to win those tough away games. What we have now is enough reason to be justified in our negativity. The football is even worse and we are regressing. Relying on Sturridge is desperate measures now.
If travel time was the real reason we left players behind then fair enough it wouldn't make much sense.
I don't think it was so our opinions still differ
everyone pinning their hopes on sturridge:
1) he has been out a very long time, and will as such need a long period to come back up to speed,
2) we haven't had a sustained look at him since suarez left, he scored on his return last time and was somewhat poor untill he got injured again, it could have been him getting up to match fitness, it could have been because we were lacking suarez movement.
3) As mentioned before, origi, ings and firmino are all capable of playing in his stead, the fact they havent would lead us to believe sturridge will be deployed wide.
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Actually a lot are saying it was a very good result..
which given the performance,and the result is a little hard to take.
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They're saying after the event it wasn't such a bad result. Big difference.
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No, they're citing to use of fringe/youth players as a positive.
Suddenly bloody youngsters is more important than winning games.
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It's a good opportunity to talk about Rossiter and Chirivella. Are these players who are actually good enough to play for Liverpool? Have they done enough to wear the red shirt? I like both especially Chirivella who has the potential to be a player in the Xabi Alonso mould. But are they ready now? I don't think so.
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The train of though in blooding youngsters in cup matches is fine, I have no problem with it. In the League cup or FA Cup. Not in Europe.
Why we would risk throwing away any european football at this stage is beyond me and particularly when there is the dangling carrot of Champions League Football for the team who wins the Europa. Seems odd not to attempt to take advantage of that.
also, plenty of first team players still need to gel, that europa game could have been another brick in the wall with regards to that, while probably managing a win, easing the pressure on the rest of the europa games.
I don't think Terminator understands what self pity is.
Term im inclined to agree with most of your OP I'm like you in that I'm generally optimistic and try to take positives, but I also can see the pouts RAP and others make and they are hard to disagree with.
The fixture list has thrown up a difficult start, I wouldn't mind really if I could 100% say BR would last the season as we would have the 7 toughest aways we are likely to play this season done by city on Nov 21st. Fans are running out of patience so we have to at least win all our home league games in this period and try get something from the away games.
I'm hoping we can see some better football with studge and Benteke together, don't really mind how we set up a fit studge totally changes the dynamic of our attack
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 20 minutes ago
I don't think Terminator understands what self pity is.
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I understand what you're all about. You think you know everything, and talk as if your opinion is the only one worth having. Anyone who doesn't fall into line you then try and belittle. You're something of a horrible little runt really.....
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 17 minutes ago
Term im inclined to agree with most of your OP I'm like you in that I'm generally optimistic and try to take positives, but I also can see the pouts RAP and others make and they are hard to disagree with.
The fixture list has thrown up a difficult start, I wouldn't mind really if I could 100% say BR would last the season as we would have the 7 toughest aways we are likely to play this season done by city on Nov 21st. Fans are running out of patience so we have to at least win all our home league games in this period and try get something from the away games.
I'm hoping we can see some better football with studge and Benteke together, don't really mind how we set up a fit studge totally changes the dynamic of our attack
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Yep, pretty much agree with all of that. I've actually said much of what you have, but many on here have taken certain parts out of it and used it as if I'm some sort of delusional optimist. They don't seem to understand that you can be both positive and critical at the same time.
we all understand that term or we wouldnt have been defending rodgers last season when he was serving up this negative dross
its just that the straws are starting to bow the camels back
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
we all understand that term or we wouldnt have been defending rodgers last season when he was serving up this negative dross
its just that the straws are starting to bow the camels back
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There's no denying he's under massive pressure, and that pressure has resulted in the horrible football we've seen. But I'm hoping that Sturridge and Benteke get us going and out of this mess. Again, I agree we shouldn't be relying on purely this to turn things around, but it's where we're at. This is BR's last throw of the dice.....
i want BR to succeed and I don't want him fired, but my main concern, and I think most fans will agree is will we waste this season by sticking with BR and it ultimately turns out that we don't get any better and he's gone in say December, have we at that point lost this season in terms of top 4 and we could be out of Europe although myself I think we will get out of the Europa group.
If we wait till then and get someone else in is it too late for a new manager to save the season but we were to henge managers now the new boss has a lot of time in this season to have us challenging top 4 etc.
Personally I'll take the risk and keep BR even if it was to turn out as I've said.
the pressure is actually (for me at least) because of the atrocious football.
most fans will accept building towards a better future if it looks to be a positive one, the future rodgers is building for us however is one of turgid ground out wins.
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posted on 20/9/15
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posted on 20/9/15
comment by Kolo's Long Schłong! KLS , it's them Scooters again. ⚽️ (U1695)
posted 16 minutes ago
Where's the self pity?
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Not necessarily you, but many are.
posted on 20/9/15
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posted on 20/9/15
Fringe players have been getting a go in cups since the milk cup. It wasn't pioneered due to success or visionary managers. it was pragmatic. Good sides did it because they had more depth, shiite sides did it if they had other priorities. And at the end of the day, having a bigger squad and more comps to compete in makes it more possible and beneficial to rotate,
Playing kids in a cup group match isn't arrogant, it's pragmatic and priority based.
You learn what the fringe players have to offer, get them fit in case they're needed because of injury, and keep squad morale up as sitting on the bench with no competitive match time for months on end is soul destroying.
I don't get the Villa point. If it was two league matches I'd expect us to put out much stronger sides. Maybe a couple of players rotated to increase odds for the second match, If we were playing Villa in a European group match (if that's even possible) then I'd play the kids and focus on the league.
Not sure any of what you typed is 'facts', just opinions I don't agree with.
posted on 20/9/15
i wanted a win against bordeaux, and i agree wholeheartedly with what you have said,
Except of course for the length of flight, i think you have over-estimated there
we should be attempting to qualify for the europa purely on the shortest trip and the home games, that leaves the two further flung trips to be negotiated by the youths.
bordeaux was an opportunity lost.
posted on 20/9/15
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posted on 20/9/15
comment by The Kaiser's Trainers (U5676)
posted 29 seconds ago
Fringe players have been getting a go in cups since the milk cup. It wasn't pioneered due to success or visionary managers. it was pragmatic. Good sides did it because they had more depth, shiite sides did it if they had other priorities. And at the end of the day, having a bigger squad and more comps to compete in makes it more possible and beneficial to rotate,
Playing kids in a cup group match isn't arrogant, it's pragmatic and priority based.
You learn what the fringe players have to offer, get them fit in case they're needed because of injury, and keep squad morale up as sitting on the bench with no competitive match time for months on end is soul destroying.
I don't get the Villa point. If it was two league matches I'd expect us to put out much stronger sides. Maybe a couple of players rotated to increase odds for the second match, If we were playing Villa in a European group match (if that's even possible) then I'd play the kids and focus on the league.
Not sure any of what you typed is 'facts', just opinions I don't agree with.
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the point with villa is that the length of journey is very similar,
its reasonable to want to rest senior players if you are off to eastern russia, you wont want them tired from the trip at the weekend,
what rap is saying is that bordeaux in terms of travel time is very similar to many of our PL games, which you would expect our first team to be able to negotiate twice a week.
posted on 20/9/15
The reason we didnt expect much from our early fixtures is that Rodgers had given us no reason to expect us to win those tough away games. What we have now is enough reason to be justified in our negativity. The football is even worse and we are regressing. Relying on Sturridge is desperate measures now.
posted on 20/9/15
If travel time was the real reason we left players behind then fair enough it wouldn't make much sense.
I don't think it was so our opinions still differ
posted on 20/9/15
everyone pinning their hopes on sturridge:
1) he has been out a very long time, and will as such need a long period to come back up to speed,
2) we haven't had a sustained look at him since suarez left, he scored on his return last time and was somewhat poor untill he got injured again, it could have been him getting up to match fitness, it could have been because we were lacking suarez movement.
3) As mentioned before, origi, ings and firmino are all capable of playing in his stead, the fact they havent would lead us to believe sturridge will be deployed wide.
posted on 20/9/15
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posted on 20/9/15
Actually a lot are saying it was a very good result..
which given the performance,and the result is a little hard to take.
posted on 20/9/15
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posted on 20/9/15
They're saying after the event it wasn't such a bad result. Big difference.
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No, they're citing to use of fringe/youth players as a positive.
Suddenly bloody youngsters is more important than winning games.
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It's a good opportunity to talk about Rossiter and Chirivella. Are these players who are actually good enough to play for Liverpool? Have they done enough to wear the red shirt? I like both especially Chirivella who has the potential to be a player in the Xabi Alonso mould. But are they ready now? I don't think so.
posted on 20/9/15
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posted on 20/9/15
The train of though in blooding youngsters in cup matches is fine, I have no problem with it. In the League cup or FA Cup. Not in Europe.
Why we would risk throwing away any european football at this stage is beyond me and particularly when there is the dangling carrot of Champions League Football for the team who wins the Europa. Seems odd not to attempt to take advantage of that.
posted on 20/9/15
also, plenty of first team players still need to gel, that europa game could have been another brick in the wall with regards to that, while probably managing a win, easing the pressure on the rest of the europa games.
posted on 20/9/15
I don't think Terminator understands what self pity is.
posted on 20/9/15
Term im inclined to agree with most of your OP I'm like you in that I'm generally optimistic and try to take positives, but I also can see the pouts RAP and others make and they are hard to disagree with.
The fixture list has thrown up a difficult start, I wouldn't mind really if I could 100% say BR would last the season as we would have the 7 toughest aways we are likely to play this season done by city on Nov 21st. Fans are running out of patience so we have to at least win all our home league games in this period and try get something from the away games.
I'm hoping we can see some better football with studge and Benteke together, don't really mind how we set up a fit studge totally changes the dynamic of our attack
posted on 20/9/15
comment by righteous1 (U7048)
posted 20 minutes ago
I don't think Terminator understands what self pity is.
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I understand what you're all about. You think you know everything, and talk as if your opinion is the only one worth having. Anyone who doesn't fall into line you then try and belittle. You're something of a horrible little runt really.....
posted on 20/9/15
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 17 minutes ago
Term im inclined to agree with most of your OP I'm like you in that I'm generally optimistic and try to take positives, but I also can see the pouts RAP and others make and they are hard to disagree with.
The fixture list has thrown up a difficult start, I wouldn't mind really if I could 100% say BR would last the season as we would have the 7 toughest aways we are likely to play this season done by city on Nov 21st. Fans are running out of patience so we have to at least win all our home league games in this period and try get something from the away games.
I'm hoping we can see some better football with studge and Benteke together, don't really mind how we set up a fit studge totally changes the dynamic of our attack
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Yep, pretty much agree with all of that. I've actually said much of what you have, but many on here have taken certain parts out of it and used it as if I'm some sort of delusional optimist. They don't seem to understand that you can be both positive and critical at the same time.
posted on 20/9/15
we all understand that term or we wouldnt have been defending rodgers last season when he was serving up this negative dross
its just that the straws are starting to bow the camels back
posted on 20/9/15
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 2 minutes ago
we all understand that term or we wouldnt have been defending rodgers last season when he was serving up this negative dross
its just that the straws are starting to bow the camels back
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There's no denying he's under massive pressure, and that pressure has resulted in the horrible football we've seen. But I'm hoping that Sturridge and Benteke get us going and out of this mess. Again, I agree we shouldn't be relying on purely this to turn things around, but it's where we're at. This is BR's last throw of the dice.....
posted on 20/9/15
i want BR to succeed and I don't want him fired, but my main concern, and I think most fans will agree is will we waste this season by sticking with BR and it ultimately turns out that we don't get any better and he's gone in say December, have we at that point lost this season in terms of top 4 and we could be out of Europe although myself I think we will get out of the Europa group.
If we wait till then and get someone else in is it too late for a new manager to save the season but we were to henge managers now the new boss has a lot of time in this season to have us challenging top 4 etc.
Personally I'll take the risk and keep BR even if it was to turn out as I've said.
posted on 20/9/15
the pressure is actually (for me at least) because of the atrocious football.
most fans will accept building towards a better future if it looks to be a positive one, the future rodgers is building for us however is one of turgid ground out wins.
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