Britain had to let in around 260,000 people from the EU and they voluntarily let in around 350,000 from outside of the EU.
If immigration is such a big issue why are they letting in more people from outside of the EU then the number they take in from inside the EU?
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
Britain had to let in around 260,000 people from the EU and they voluntarily let in around 350,000 from outside of the EU.
If immigration is such a big issue why are they letting in more people from outside of the EU then the number they take in from inside the EU?
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This is a silly question
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
Britain had to let in around 260,000 people from the EU and they voluntarily let in around 350,000 from outside of the EU.
If immigration is such a big issue why are they letting in more people from outside of the EU then the number they take in from inside the EU?
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This is a silly question
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Go on Robben....
Loving watching Cameron panicking, he's only stopped short of wearing a t-shirt with the slogan "the end is nigh"
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by rosso - From the banks of the River Irwell (U17054)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso - From the banks of the River Irwell (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
I find it amazing that the remain campaign have not focussed more on the glaring holes in Brexit’s immigration proposals.
For any change of legislation it will have to be passed through Parliament. There is no evidence, or even suggestion that it will be proposed, nor passed (if it even got that far).
Neither Labour nor Conservatives have any appetite to implement what Brexit are trying to sell. It’s madness.
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Exactly this.
None of the political parties that have any chance of entering government have any interest in revising immigration policy.
We could (stupidly in my opinion) vote to leave and be sure that nothing would change on the immigration front.
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Err? What did Cameron try to do just a few months ago when Merkle put her foot in it. I bet she would change her mind right now if asked again.
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Since the Tories got in in 2010, roughly three-fifths of all long-term net migration has been from outside the EU.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/eu-immigration-uk-policy_uk_574ef754e4b096898c8dcb18?edition=uk&ir=UK§ion=uk_uk&utm_hp_ref= uk (remove space before UK)
The Tories have had absolute legislative control over the larger part of immigration to the UK, and have attempted to change nothing. Largely because doing so would absolutely tank the economy.
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Its dirty little secret. The fact is net migration from outside the EU suits us to an extent.
The majority of the migration from outside the EU comes from students who come to this country to study at British Universities. Just look at the fees and you will find they bring in a lot of money. At the end of their education a lot of them stay. By the fact they have a lot of money in the first place and then a terrific education to boot means they tend to be professionals. This increases the likely hood of further trade and links to those fast growing economies that send those students in the first place. Usually BRICS if you look close enough. This affects those immigration figures.
Unfortunately the majority of the workers (not all) from the EU are working class. Sometimes seasonal labourers who don't go back or the famous Polish builders. That suppresses the labour market in this country. Now its partly good for big companies cause low wage price inflations means the Bank of England keep interest rates low which helps them coupled with lower wages to declare greater profits. But tough luck for the working class and services because like it or not the poor tend to use more government services. Whats worse is that most of those workers tend to send money back home (to Poland for example which is why they turned down Cameron's proposals on working benefits.). That means wealth created in this country flowing to Spain, Italy, Greece, East European countries which negatively affects our GDP.
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EU migrants to the UK are about 50% more likely (at 32%) to have a university degree than adult British nationals (21%).
We are importing from both inside and outside the EU, a well-educated workforce, more likely to pay more in tax and more likely to take less in benefits than your average Briton.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk-immigration-_n_4212431.html?edition=uk
We take the people we need from outside the EU,most from inside the EU we can do without but we don't have a choice.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
Britain had to let in around 260,000 people from the EU and they voluntarily let in around 350,000 from outside of the EU.
If immigration is such a big issue why are they letting in more people from outside of the EU then the number they take in from inside the EU?
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This is a silly question
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Go on Robben....
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Well if people are able to pay their own way, of course they are more likely to be accepted.
There is a problem with the Irish border, but I don't think it's as bad as made out as Ireland isn't part of the Schengen agreement. There aren't going to be boats of people landing on Irish shores then walking north.
Or maybe the plan is to just leave NI open, and that's why it's called Brexit and not UKexit?
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 18 seconds ago
We take the people we need from outside the EU,most from inside the EU we can do without but we don't have a choice.
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We can do without those from outside or inside the EU. The question is more about how well we want to do.
If we were to reduce net long-term migration to 200,000 per annum by completely cutting out all EU migration, the economy would completely tank.
And we still wouldn't be anywhere near this Government's ad hoc 'five figures' target (which it actually has no interest in attaining in any case).
We take the people we need from outside the EU,most from inside the EU we can do without but we don't have a choice**
vote leave, stick it to the selfish and the greedy and don't believe the hype
If we were to reduce net long-term migration to 200,000 per annum by completely cutting out all EU migration**
No one is talking about cutting out all EU migration, just the people who offer nothing
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 28 seconds ago
We take the people we need from outside the EU,most from inside the EU we can do without but we don't have a choice**
vote leave, stick it to the selfish and the greedy and don't believe the hype
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Those selfish and greedy who recognise Britain will be better off if it is kept just for the British?
Voting to leave once I heard Alan Sugar is voting to remain.
Assuming there is a Brexit, the UK will continue (which has been done so for years) to align immigration policy with our closest neighbours. It just so happens that physically this happens to be Europe.
For obvious reasons the UK does not want to be at either extreme of the spectrum.
It’s therefore staggering that Brexit have been able to purport this myth that they will be able to implement sweeping immigration changes which will result in significant change. It simply will not happen.
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
If we were to reduce net long-term migration to 200,000 per annum by completely cutting out all EU migration**
No one is talking about cutting out all EU migration, just the people who offer nothing
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Just pointing out that if net long-term migration was even close to halved, however you did it, the socioeconomic ramifications for the country would be so serious that not a single mainstream political party is considering it.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
Assuming there is a Brexit, the UK will continue (which has been done so for years) to align immigration policy with our closest neighbours. It just so happens that physically this happens to be Europe.
For obvious reasons the UK does not want to be at either extreme of the spectrum.
It’s therefore staggering that Brexit have been able to purport this myth that they will be able to implement sweeping immigration changes which will result in significant change. It simply will not happen.
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Those selfish and greedy who recognise Britain will be better off if it is kept just for the British ?**
Again...no one is saying that, stop being so dramatic and over the top, it is about democracy, self-governance and taking control of immigration and deciding what people we want to come to the U.K, what is wrong with that?
It simply will not happen.
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Why not,freedom for EU members to enter the UK will stop at once.
that they will be able to implement sweeping immigration changes which will result in significant change. It simply will not happen.**
you keep saying this over and over ??
if we come out of a union that has a policy of uncontrolled, unlimited free-movement of people it WILL happen
Why not,freedom for EU members to enter the UK will stop at once.**
I dont think he can bare to face up to it tbh
You'd honestly think that 99% of the whole Brexit issue was immigration, that's all these discussions ever boil down to
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 1 minute ago
It simply will not happen.
---------------
Why not,freedom for EU members to enter the UK will stop at once.
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What about the ones here? The ones who own businesses and homes here? What about the Brits who own homes and businesses in Europe?
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 1 second ago
Those selfish and greedy who recognise Britain will be better off if it is kept just for the British ?**
Again...no one is saying that, stop being so dramatic and over the top, it is about democracy, self-governance and taking control of immigration and deciding what people we want to come to the U.K, what is wrong with that?
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Once again, you are in cloud cuckoo land if you believe there will be any significant change in immigration policy if we leave the EU.
It will also mean that in trading goods and services with the EU, our largest partner, we will have to continue to adhere to their standards, whilst no longer having any say about what those standards should be, and paying for the privilege of doing so.
comment by rosso - From the banks of the River Irwell (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just pointing out that if net long-term migration was even close to halved, however you did it, the socioeconomic ramifications for the country would be so serious that not a single mainstream political party is considering it.
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I might get a seat on the train though.
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
Britain had to let in around 260,000 people from the EU and they voluntarily let in around 350,000 from outside of the EU.
If immigration is such a big issue why are they letting in more people from outside of the EU then the number they take in from inside the EU?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a silly question
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Go on Robben....
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Well if people are able to pay their own way, of course they are more likely to be accepted.
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Oh but what about the strain on services Robben, like the NHS and public transport oh and don't forget over crowding.
Isn't that the argument of the anti immigration brigade when you tell them immigrants aren't sponging?
Inter-board posting anf JA Brexit vote
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posted on 2/6/16
Britain had to let in around 260,000 people from the EU and they voluntarily let in around 350,000 from outside of the EU.
If immigration is such a big issue why are they letting in more people from outside of the EU then the number they take in from inside the EU?
posted on 2/6/16
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
Britain had to let in around 260,000 people from the EU and they voluntarily let in around 350,000 from outside of the EU.
If immigration is such a big issue why are they letting in more people from outside of the EU then the number they take in from inside the EU?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a silly question
posted on 2/6/16
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
Britain had to let in around 260,000 people from the EU and they voluntarily let in around 350,000 from outside of the EU.
If immigration is such a big issue why are they letting in more people from outside of the EU then the number they take in from inside the EU?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a silly question
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Go on Robben....
posted on 2/6/16
Loving watching Cameron panicking, he's only stopped short of wearing a t-shirt with the slogan "the end is nigh"
posted on 2/6/16
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by rosso - From the banks of the River Irwell (U17054)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso - From the banks of the River Irwell (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
I find it amazing that the remain campaign have not focussed more on the glaring holes in Brexit’s immigration proposals.
For any change of legislation it will have to be passed through Parliament. There is no evidence, or even suggestion that it will be proposed, nor passed (if it even got that far).
Neither Labour nor Conservatives have any appetite to implement what Brexit are trying to sell. It’s madness.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly this.
None of the political parties that have any chance of entering government have any interest in revising immigration policy.
We could (stupidly in my opinion) vote to leave and be sure that nothing would change on the immigration front.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Err? What did Cameron try to do just a few months ago when Merkle put her foot in it. I bet she would change her mind right now if asked again.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Since the Tories got in in 2010, roughly three-fifths of all long-term net migration has been from outside the EU.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/eu-immigration-uk-policy_uk_574ef754e4b096898c8dcb18?edition=uk&ir=UK§ion=uk_uk&utm_hp_ref= uk (remove space before UK)
The Tories have had absolute legislative control over the larger part of immigration to the UK, and have attempted to change nothing. Largely because doing so would absolutely tank the economy.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Its dirty little secret. The fact is net migration from outside the EU suits us to an extent.
The majority of the migration from outside the EU comes from students who come to this country to study at British Universities. Just look at the fees and you will find they bring in a lot of money. At the end of their education a lot of them stay. By the fact they have a lot of money in the first place and then a terrific education to boot means they tend to be professionals. This increases the likely hood of further trade and links to those fast growing economies that send those students in the first place. Usually BRICS if you look close enough. This affects those immigration figures.
Unfortunately the majority of the workers (not all) from the EU are working class. Sometimes seasonal labourers who don't go back or the famous Polish builders. That suppresses the labour market in this country. Now its partly good for big companies cause low wage price inflations means the Bank of England keep interest rates low which helps them coupled with lower wages to declare greater profits. But tough luck for the working class and services because like it or not the poor tend to use more government services. Whats worse is that most of those workers tend to send money back home (to Poland for example which is why they turned down Cameron's proposals on working benefits.). That means wealth created in this country flowing to Spain, Italy, Greece, East European countries which negatively affects our GDP.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
EU migrants to the UK are about 50% more likely (at 32%) to have a university degree than adult British nationals (21%).
We are importing from both inside and outside the EU, a well-educated workforce, more likely to pay more in tax and more likely to take less in benefits than your average Briton.
http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/uk-immigration-_n_4212431.html?edition=uk
posted on 2/6/16
We take the people we need from outside the EU,most from inside the EU we can do without but we don't have a choice.
posted on 2/6/16
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
Britain had to let in around 260,000 people from the EU and they voluntarily let in around 350,000 from outside of the EU.
If immigration is such a big issue why are they letting in more people from outside of the EU then the number they take in from inside the EU?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a silly question
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Go on Robben....
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Well if people are able to pay their own way, of course they are more likely to be accepted.
posted on 2/6/16
There is a problem with the Irish border, but I don't think it's as bad as made out as Ireland isn't part of the Schengen agreement. There aren't going to be boats of people landing on Irish shores then walking north.
Or maybe the plan is to just leave NI open, and that's why it's called Brexit and not UKexit?
posted on 2/6/16
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 18 seconds ago
We take the people we need from outside the EU,most from inside the EU we can do without but we don't have a choice.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We can do without those from outside or inside the EU. The question is more about how well we want to do.
If we were to reduce net long-term migration to 200,000 per annum by completely cutting out all EU migration, the economy would completely tank.
And we still wouldn't be anywhere near this Government's ad hoc 'five figures' target (which it actually has no interest in attaining in any case).
posted on 2/6/16
We take the people we need from outside the EU,most from inside the EU we can do without but we don't have a choice**
vote leave, stick it to the selfish and the greedy and don't believe the hype
posted on 2/6/16
If we were to reduce net long-term migration to 200,000 per annum by completely cutting out all EU migration**
No one is talking about cutting out all EU migration, just the people who offer nothing
posted on 2/6/16
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 28 seconds ago
We take the people we need from outside the EU,most from inside the EU we can do without but we don't have a choice**
vote leave, stick it to the selfish and the greedy and don't believe the hype
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Those selfish and greedy who recognise Britain will be better off if it is kept just for the British?
posted on 2/6/16
Voting to leave once I heard Alan Sugar is voting to remain.
posted on 2/6/16
Assuming there is a Brexit, the UK will continue (which has been done so for years) to align immigration policy with our closest neighbours. It just so happens that physically this happens to be Europe.
For obvious reasons the UK does not want to be at either extreme of the spectrum.
It’s therefore staggering that Brexit have been able to purport this myth that they will be able to implement sweeping immigration changes which will result in significant change. It simply will not happen.
posted on 2/6/16
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
If we were to reduce net long-term migration to 200,000 per annum by completely cutting out all EU migration**
No one is talking about cutting out all EU migration, just the people who offer nothing
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Just pointing out that if net long-term migration was even close to halved, however you did it, the socioeconomic ramifications for the country would be so serious that not a single mainstream political party is considering it.
posted on 2/6/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 minute ago
Assuming there is a Brexit, the UK will continue (which has been done so for years) to align immigration policy with our closest neighbours. It just so happens that physically this happens to be Europe.
For obvious reasons the UK does not want to be at either extreme of the spectrum.
It’s therefore staggering that Brexit have been able to purport this myth that they will be able to implement sweeping immigration changes which will result in significant change. It simply will not happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 2/6/16
Those selfish and greedy who recognise Britain will be better off if it is kept just for the British ?**
Again...no one is saying that, stop being so dramatic and over the top, it is about democracy, self-governance and taking control of immigration and deciding what people we want to come to the U.K, what is wrong with that?
posted on 2/6/16
It simply will not happen.
---------------
Why not,freedom for EU members to enter the UK will stop at once.
posted on 2/6/16
that they will be able to implement sweeping immigration changes which will result in significant change. It simply will not happen.**
you keep saying this over and over ??
if we come out of a union that has a policy of uncontrolled, unlimited free-movement of people it WILL happen
posted on 2/6/16
Why not,freedom for EU members to enter the UK will stop at once.**
I dont think he can bare to face up to it tbh
posted on 2/6/16
You'd honestly think that 99% of the whole Brexit issue was immigration, that's all these discussions ever boil down to
posted on 2/6/16
comment by groovyduringthewar (U1054)
posted 1 minute ago
It simply will not happen.
---------------
Why not,freedom for EU members to enter the UK will stop at once.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about the ones here? The ones who own businesses and homes here? What about the Brits who own homes and businesses in Europe?
posted on 2/6/16
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 1 second ago
Those selfish and greedy who recognise Britain will be better off if it is kept just for the British ?**
Again...no one is saying that, stop being so dramatic and over the top, it is about democracy, self-governance and taking control of immigration and deciding what people we want to come to the U.K, what is wrong with that?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Once again, you are in cloud cuckoo land if you believe there will be any significant change in immigration policy if we leave the EU.
It will also mean that in trading goods and services with the EU, our largest partner, we will have to continue to adhere to their standards, whilst no longer having any say about what those standards should be, and paying for the privilege of doing so.
posted on 2/6/16
comment by rosso - From the banks of the River Irwell (U17054)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just pointing out that if net long-term migration was even close to halved, however you did it, the socioeconomic ramifications for the country would be so serious that not a single mainstream political party is considering it.
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I might get a seat on the train though.
posted on 2/6/16
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 2 minutes ago
Britain had to let in around 260,000 people from the EU and they voluntarily let in around 350,000 from outside of the EU.
If immigration is such a big issue why are they letting in more people from outside of the EU then the number they take in from inside the EU?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a silly question
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Go on Robben....
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Well if people are able to pay their own way, of course they are more likely to be accepted.
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Oh but what about the strain on services Robben, like the NHS and public transport oh and don't forget over crowding.
Isn't that the argument of the anti immigration brigade when you tell them immigrants aren't sponging?
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