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posted on 2/6/16

comment by really? (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
You don't like Muslims, we get it**

no no...like the other guy said nice try at Spin

you said everyone has the right to go anywhere they like and then contradicted yourself (like you always do) on palestine
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No I didn't contradict my self.


You don't like Muslims.

posted on 2/6/16

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
I find it amazing that the remain campaign have not focussed more on the glaring holes in Brexit’s immigration proposals.

For any change of legislation it will have to be passed through Parliament. There is no evidence, or even suggestion that it will be proposed, nor passed (if it even got that far).

Neither Labour nor Conservatives have any appetite to implement what Brexit are trying to sell. It’s madness.
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Exactly this.

None of the political parties that have any chance of entering government have any interest in revising immigration policy.

We could (stupidly in my opinion) vote to leave and be sure that nothing would change on the immigration front.

posted on 2/6/16

comment by rosso - From the banks of the River Irwell (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
I find it amazing that the remain campaign have not focussed more on the glaring holes in Brexit’s immigration proposals.

For any change of legislation it will have to be passed through Parliament. There is no evidence, or even suggestion that it will be proposed, nor passed (if it even got that far).

Neither Labour nor Conservatives have any appetite to implement what Brexit are trying to sell. It’s madness.
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Exactly this.

None of the political parties that have any chance of entering government have any interest in revising immigration policy.

We could (stupidly in my opinion) vote to leave and be sure that nothing would change on the immigration front.
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Err? What did Cameron try to do just a few months ago when Merkle put her foot in it. I bet she would change her mind right now if asked again.

posted on 2/6/16

No I didn't contradict my self.**

oh yes you did!!! and you get ripped apart for about 5 pages, everyone is entitled to go anywhere, it's only soil you said.... but that doesn't extend to palestine

posted on 2/6/16

comment by Keep It Greasy Fick mich, du (U1396)

posted 21 hours, 45 minutes ago

" It [leaving] will only allow our governments (which have made pretty poor decisions over the years) greater power where the NHS could potentially be further privatise because that's already begun. They've basically cut their budget, made them struggle with the lower finances and then used that to justify its privatisation because they aren't copping with it.."


This needs repeating. again and again.


if you DON'T want the Tories to finally kick our NHS into touch then you MUST vote remain. Don't be taken in by Cameron's rhetoric - he secretly wants us out of Europe in order to push through even more savage cuts, the likes of which have not been seen before.

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The Trade Treaty between the USA and EU will be more of a threat to the NHS than our own government by the way.

posted on 2/6/16

comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy Fick mich, du (U1396)

posted 21 hours, 45 minutes ago

" It [leaving] will only allow our governments (which have made pretty poor decisions over the years) greater power where the NHS could potentially be further privatise because that's already begun. They've basically cut their budget, made them struggle with the lower finances and then used that to justify its privatisation because they aren't copping with it.."


This needs repeating. again and again.


if you DON'T want the Tories to finally kick our NHS into touch then you MUST vote remain. Don't be taken in by Cameron's rhetoric - he secretly wants us out of Europe in order to push through even more savage cuts, the likes of which have not been seen before.

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The Trade Treaty between the USA and EU will be more of a threat to the NHS than our own government by the way.
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Don't think people know at all that the treaty gives powers to corporations to sue the government for not opening up the NHS and other markets for exploitation.

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posted on 2/6/16

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posted on 2/6/16

comment by really? (U17250)
posted 9 minutes ago
No I didn't contradict my self.**

oh yes you did!!!and you get ripped apart for about 5 pages, everyone is entitled to go anywhere, it's only soil you said.... but that doesn't extend to palestine
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Nope I didn't.

You don't like Muslims.

posted on 2/6/16

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posted on 2/6/16

comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy Fick mich, du (U1396)

posted 21 hours, 45 minutes ago

" It [leaving] will only allow our governments (which have made pretty poor decisions over the years) greater power where the NHS could potentially be further privatise because that's already begun. They've basically cut their budget, made them struggle with the lower finances and then used that to justify its privatisation because they aren't copping with it.."


This needs repeating. again and again.


if you DON'T want the Tories to finally kick our NHS into touch then you MUST vote remain. Don't be taken in by Cameron's rhetoric - he secretly wants us out of Europe in order to push through even more savage cuts, the likes of which have not been seen before.

____________________________________

The Trade Treaty between the USA and EU will be more of a threat to the NHS than our own government by the way.
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Not having to provide free treatment for Europeans who come here will free up a lot of funds as well. And some of the money we pay could be used towards the NHS (thats the net amount including the rebates we get).

posted on 2/6/16

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso - From the banks of the River Irwell (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
I find it amazing that the remain campaign have not focussed more on the glaring holes in Brexit’s immigration proposals.

For any change of legislation it will have to be passed through Parliament. There is no evidence, or even suggestion that it will be proposed, nor passed (if it even got that far).

Neither Labour nor Conservatives have any appetite to implement what Brexit are trying to sell. It’s madness.
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Exactly this.

None of the political parties that have any chance of entering government have any interest in revising immigration policy.

We could (stupidly in my opinion) vote to leave and be sure that nothing would change on the immigration front.
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Err? What did Cameron try to do just a few months ago when Merkle put her foot in it. I bet she would change her mind right now if asked again.
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Since the Tories got in in 2010, roughly three-fifths of all long-term net migration has been from outside the EU.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/eu-immigration-uk-policy_uk_574ef754e4b096898c8dcb18?edition=uk&ir=UK§ion=uk_uk&utm_hp_ref= uk (remove space before UK)

The Tories have had absolute legislative control over the larger part of immigration to the UK, and have attempted to change nothing. Largely because doing so would absolutely tank the economy.

posted on 2/6/16

comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 4 minutes ago
They may have come up with some good legislation in the past, my problem is that we have no choice in implementing it, if we disagree with it.
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Oh ั•hit, I must have missed the bit where we were forced to join the single currency. and when did we actually opt in to the Schengen Agreement? I seem to have missed that also.

When exactly were we forced to join the Area of freedom, security and justice?

There are 3 pieces of EU legislation the UK had a choice not to implement so I think you're whole argument is utter tripe

posted on 2/6/16

I hope people aren't ganging up on really? here.

Everyone is allowed an opinion, never forget that.

I grew up with lots of people telling me God was a thing; I didn't believe them due to my Dad educating me otherwise.


Moral of the story is.....................................






































really? is my Dad

posted on 2/6/16

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by GunaDave (U7710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Keep It Greasy Fick mich, du (U1396)

posted 21 hours, 45 minutes ago

" It [leaving] will only allow our governments (which have made pretty poor decisions over the years) greater power where the NHS could potentially be further privatise because that's already begun. They've basically cut their budget, made them struggle with the lower finances and then used that to justify its privatisation because they aren't copping with it.."


This needs repeating. again and again.


if you DON'T want the Tories to finally kick our NHS into touch then you MUST vote remain. Don't be taken in by Cameron's rhetoric - he secretly wants us out of Europe in order to push through even more savage cuts, the likes of which have not been seen before.

____________________________________

The Trade Treaty between the USA and EU will be more of a threat to the NHS than our own government by the way.
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Don't think people know at all that the treaty gives powers to corporations to sue the government for not opening up the NHS and other markets for exploitation.
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This is one factor which puts me off voting remain. However, voting to leave will open up the Scottish referendum debate again and if we are out of Europe then the majority of Scots will want to leave the UK, opening the NHS to be pillaged by a succession of English Tory governments.

posted on 2/6/16

Anybody harping on about having no choice ad far as EU legislation is concerned should do a bit of research first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opt-outs_in_the_European_Union

posted on 2/6/16

The EMU opt-out clause can be found here:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv:l25060

posted on 2/6/16

"LONDON, June 1 (Reuters) - Sterling slipped on Wednesday, while the cost of hedging against sharp falls in the exchange rate over the next month rose to its highest in over seven years on worries that the campaign for Britain to leave the European Union was gaining the upper hand.

Two surveys by polling firm ICM on Tuesday showed British voters have moved towards vote for a Brexit at this month's referendum. The "Out" campaign stood three points ahead in both surveys, one of which was conducted online and the other by telephone.

"Sterling remains sensitive to any new polls that place a 'Leave' vote ahead by a considerable margin," said IronFX analyst Sakis Paraskevov. "We...expect the volatility in Cable (sterling/dollar) to continue rising in the coming days, given that polls just a few days before the vote may have a bigger market impact than they did previously."

Most economists and strategists reckon a vote to leave the EU on June 23 would deal a blow to Britain's economy and would send sterling tumbling, while a vote to stay would drive sterling sharply higher..."

Start buying Euros people...

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posted on 2/6/16

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posted on 2/6/16

comment by shinji: Hafi sans stats (U1700)
posted 3 minutes ago
I hope people aren't ganging up on really? here.

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Seems only one person is engaging with him at all, fairly small gang.

posted on 2/6/16

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posted on 2/6/16

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posted on 2/6/16

comment by rosso - From the banks of the River Irwell (U17054)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso - From the banks of the River Irwell (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
I find it amazing that the remain campaign have not focussed more on the glaring holes in Brexit’s immigration proposals.

For any change of legislation it will have to be passed through Parliament. There is no evidence, or even suggestion that it will be proposed, nor passed (if it even got that far).

Neither Labour nor Conservatives have any appetite to implement what Brexit are trying to sell. It’s madness.
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Exactly this.

None of the political parties that have any chance of entering government have any interest in revising immigration policy.

We could (stupidly in my opinion) vote to leave and be sure that nothing would change on the immigration front.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Err? What did Cameron try to do just a few months ago when Merkle put her foot in it. I bet she would change her mind right now if asked again.
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Since the Tories got in in 2010, roughly three-fifths of all long-term net migration has been from outside the EU.

http://m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/eu-immigration-uk-policy_uk_574ef754e4b096898c8dcb18?edition=uk&ir=UK§ion=uk_uk&utm_hp_ref= uk (remove space before UK)

The Tories have had absolute legislative control over the larger part of immigration to the UK, and have attempted to change nothing. Largely because doing so would absolutely tank the economy.
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Its dirty little secret. The fact is net migration from outside the EU suits us to an extent.

The majority of the migration from outside the EU comes from students who come to this country to study at British Universities. Just look at the fees and you will find they bring in a lot of money. At the end of their education a lot of them stay. By the fact they have a lot of money in the first place and then a terrific education to boot means they tend to be professionals. This increases the likely hood of further trade and links to those fast growing economies that send those students in the first place. Usually BRICS if you look close enough. This affects those immigration figures.

Unfortunately the majority of the workers (not all) from the EU are working class. Sometimes seasonal labourers who don't go back or the famous Polish builders. That suppresses the labour market in this country. Now its partly good for big companies cause low wage price inflations means the Bank of England keep interest rates low which helps them coupled with lower wages to declare greater profits. But tough luck for the working class and services because like it or not the poor tend to use more government services. Whats worse is that most of those workers tend to send money back home (to Poland for example which is why they turned down Cameron's proposals on working benefits.). That means wealth created in this country flowing to Spain, Italy, Greece, East European countries which negatively affects our GDP.

posted on 2/6/16

In regard to immigration, Hugh Orde (former PSNI chief constable) penned a good article the other day which also touched on some other aspects which is worth a read:

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/hugh-orde-return-of-border-controls-after-brexit-is-inevitable-1.2666251

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