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Jenius
But should the vote be remain clearly over half the population won't be resentful as they won.
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comment by Sideshow (U11809)
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Don't the Facist political groups of those counties want out of Europe? I know the one in France does.
Not saying that fascism and wanting out of Europe correlate in any way
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Each and every one of them, yes.
Others who have said they are keen on Brexit include Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and al-Baghdadi.
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Putin has said nothing but the fact EU is encroaching on their boarders I won't be surprised if he is happy. Like the EU falsely promising Ukraine that it would defend its territory and doing nothing when he invaded. Drumpf would say the opposite of anything Obama would say. And Obama wants to stay in to avoid a recession in his last year as president. (and I am one his fans - in fact campaigned in UK for him)
There is will be a technical recession. I am not stupid enough to deny it. But if you know anything about economics you would know that there is a massive housing asset price bubble that is going to blow anyway. Better to deflate it this way than the Euro taking us all down the rabbit hole!
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Of course Putin wants Britain out of the EU. He wants a divided, weaker Europe. Brexit helps deliver that.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/13/brexit-perfect-gift-vladimir-putin-eu
And curbing immigration does not make housing appear. Proactive housing policy, addressing and enabling new social housing, redevelopment and new private developments does that; and it's yet another area that successive governments have done next to nothing to address, because they've been able to get away with blaming the shortage on immigration (despite having had control of the three fifths of all long-term, net migration that comes from outside the EU).
I find it interesting that there are a good number of MPs sitting in Parliament that benefit directly from high rental prices through housing support. I wonder why housing policy doesn't change?...
Ah yes, I forgot momentarily; it's the immigrants.
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That's the issue with democracy, Sane
More often than not, you will have a slight majority who are victorious, and just a few less who will have lost.
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posted 3 seconds ago
Jenius
But should the vote be remain clearly over half the population won't be resentful as they won.
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The problem with that is historically, and common sense, staying in means its the vote for 'change' that loses. Keeping the status quo is not something that breeds political action.
This is what happened in Scotland. The SNP lost the independence vote. But they swept all the seats in the general because those who wanted independence stayed politicly motivated.
It happened to Obama as well. After he won the election in 2008, the racist resentful politics actually increased and the democrats lost the congress and the senate.
Jenius
You would prefer your children to grow up in a poorer, more divided Europe, with restrictions on their movements and opportunities?
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https://youtu.be/BP-l40WEGNo
The out lobby
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Sane (U19841)
posted 3 seconds ago
Jenius
But should the vote be remain clearly over half the population won't be resentful as they won.
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The problem with that is historically, and common sense, staying in means its the vote for 'change' that loses. Keeping the status quo is not something that breeds political action.
This is what happened in Scotland. The SNP lost the independence vote. But they swept all the seats in the general because those who wanted independence stayed politicly motivated.
It happened to Obama as well. After he won the election in 2008, the racist resentful politics actually increased and the democrats lost the congress and the senate.
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So those racist, resentful people are now democratically well-represented.
There is still an argument to be won with those people, but that has always been the challenge for liberals and the left. Bring it on.
To be clear, I am not suggesting that the majority of SNP or Republican Party supporters are racist or resentful!
I read The Guardian, eat quiche and enjoy knitting my own yogurt
liberal intelligentsia and proud.
Oh and let me post my members page...
"I miss the traditional British way of life. You know before we had Bulgarians and the Romanians and the Polish and the Russians and the Australians and the Kurdish and the Turkish and the Bengalis and the Pakistanis and the Indians and the West Indians and the Africans and the Huguenotes and the Jews and the Normans and the Vikings and the Angles and Saxons and the Jutes and the Romans and the bloody Celts who were the first foreign f*cking idiots. It's been downhill ever since."
And curbing immigration does not make housing appear. Proactive housing policy, addressing and enabling new social housing, redevelopment and new private developments does that
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Actually you are wrong. House building is always going to lag immigration. Common sense. It takes far longer to build a house than someone moving from Greece to UK. And the problem with uncontrolled immigration at such high levels (and I didn't want to go down this road because frankly I am left leaning) is that it is impossible for companies to plan for demand. Immigration at these levels is unpredictable. This means you get housing bubbles like we have now where even doctors can't afford to live in London. Its a disaster in waiting for the economy.
This is why I would have voted to stay in had Cameron got what he wanted an opt out of free movement till they fixed the Eurzone. (7 years I think he asked for). Keep in mind it also terrible for countries where these ppl are moving from because they suffer from their young leaving. How are their pension systems going to survive when their you leave?
I personally believe that voting out is the only way the EU leaders will listen to sense and give Cameon what he wants in a renegotiation. Then I believe he will have another referendum. This is exactly what Ireland and France did with the Msatrict treaty. (sorry have to go to a meeting)
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Sizzle
I did nick it from Charlie Brooker
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
And curbing immigration does not make housing appear. Proactive housing policy, addressing and enabling new social housing, redevelopment and new private developments does that
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Actually you are wrong. House building is always going to lag immigration. Common sense. It takes far longer to build a house than someone moving from Greece to UK. And the problem with uncontrolled immigration at such high levels (and I didn't want to go down this road because frankly I am left leaning) is that it is impossible for companies to plan for demand. Immigration at these levels is unpredictable. This means you get housing bubbles like we have now where even doctors can't afford to live in London. Its a disaster in waiting for the economy.
This is why I would have voted to stay in had Cameron got what he wanted an opt out of free movement till they fixed the Eurzone. (7 years I think he asked for). Keep in mind it also terrible for countries where these ppl are moving from because they suffer from their young leaving. How are their pension systems going to survive when their you leave?
I personally believe that voting out is the only way the EU leaders will listen to sense and give Cameon what he wants in a renegotiation. Then I believe he will have another referendum. This is exactly what Ireland and France did with the Msatrict treaty. (sorry have to go to a meeting)
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Here's a nice example of an MP who, despite railing against the 'inexorable rise' of the welfare burden on the state, makes over *£625,000 per annum* of our tax money through housing benefit payments made to his struggling tenants:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-britains-richest-tory-mp-3177996#zP1YWLuUH43BX9Kr.97
Just let that sink in for a moment.
It's all smoke and mirrors mate. The rich and powerful have us nicely focussed on the 'sponging immigrants', whilst they fack us right in the asss, laughing all the time.
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Here's a nice example of an MP who, despite railing against the 'inexorable rise' of the welfare burden on the state, makes over *£625,000 per annum* of our tax money through housing benefit payments made to his struggling tenants:
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I am not sure what you are inferring. There is always going to be corrupt and criminal behaviour at every level.
This does not change what I stated. It is IMPOSSIBLE to plan for the levels of immigration we have had over the last 5 years when the Euro crisis began. The Eurozone is in deep trouble and it can't fix itself if all the young workers leave those countries. Which is what is happening. And the countries that they are coming to like UK, cannot sustain them because public services cannot expand according to the increase of demand. Simply it takes timre to hire doctors, teachers, policemen etc. So you get resentment in the local populations and asset price bubbles and suppression of wages. Its a complete and utter disaster for the economy long term.
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 seconds ago
Here's a nice example of an MP who, despite railing against the 'inexorable rise' of the welfare burden on the state, makes over *£625,000 per annum* of our tax money through housing benefit payments made to his struggling tenants:
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I am not sure what you are inferring. There is always going to be corrupt and criminal behaviour at every level.
This does not change what I stated. It is IMPOSSIBLE to plan for the levels of immigration we have had over the last 5 years when the Euro crisis began. The Eurozone is in deep trouble and it can't fix itself if all the young workers leave those countries. Which is what is happening. And the countries that they are coming to like UK, cannot sustain them because public services cannot expand according to the increase of demand. Simply it takes timre to hire doctors, teachers, policemen etc. So you get resentment in the local populations and asset price bubbles and suppression of wages. Its a complete and utter disaster for the economy long term.
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This is not corrupt or criminal. He's acting entirely within the spirit and strictures of the law.
But it is a perfect example of one of the many reasons why those who create housing policy and legislation don't want to see more affordable housing built. This is what happens when people elect the filthy rich to the Commons.
I would not argue that immigration levels have not added an additional burden on our public services - of course they have.
But the much larger underlying problem is chronic underfunding and the withdrawal of support; a policy purposefully implemented by the Government to undermine public faith in state-run service.
Hospitals are closing. Is that due to immigration? Police numbers are being cut, and stations closed. Is that due to immigration? Teachers are being replaced with under-skilled Teaching Assistants. Is that due to immigration?
BBC reporting this morning that MPs plan to move to a Norway-type agreement with the EU in the case of an out vote. Several sources across the Commons cited. This would see us retain access to the single market and require the continuation of freedom of movement:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120
As I have said repeatedly on this thread, a vote to leave will not see immigration policy change.
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Jenius
But should the vote be remain clearly over half the population won't be resentful as they won.
posted on 6/6/16
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don't the Facist political groups of those counties want out of Europe? I know the one in France does.
Not saying that fascism and wanting out of Europe correlate in any way
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Each and every one of them, yes.
Others who have said they are keen on Brexit include Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin and al-Baghdadi.
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Putin has said nothing but the fact EU is encroaching on their boarders I won't be surprised if he is happy. Like the EU falsely promising Ukraine that it would defend its territory and doing nothing when he invaded. Drumpf would say the opposite of anything Obama would say. And Obama wants to stay in to avoid a recession in his last year as president. (and I am one his fans - in fact campaigned in UK for him)
There is will be a technical recession. I am not stupid enough to deny it. But if you know anything about economics you would know that there is a massive housing asset price bubble that is going to blow anyway. Better to deflate it this way than the Euro taking us all down the rabbit hole!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course Putin wants Britain out of the EU. He wants a divided, weaker Europe. Brexit helps deliver that.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/13/brexit-perfect-gift-vladimir-putin-eu
And curbing immigration does not make housing appear. Proactive housing policy, addressing and enabling new social housing, redevelopment and new private developments does that; and it's yet another area that successive governments have done next to nothing to address, because they've been able to get away with blaming the shortage on immigration (despite having had control of the three fifths of all long-term, net migration that comes from outside the EU).
I find it interesting that there are a good number of MPs sitting in Parliament that benefit directly from high rental prices through housing support. I wonder why housing policy doesn't change?...
Ah yes, I forgot momentarily; it's the immigrants.
posted on 6/6/16
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That's the issue with democracy, Sane
More often than not, you will have a slight majority who are victorious, and just a few less who will have lost.
posted on 6/6/16
comment by Sane (U19841)
posted 3 seconds ago
Jenius
But should the vote be remain clearly over half the population won't be resentful as they won.
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The problem with that is historically, and common sense, staying in means its the vote for 'change' that loses. Keeping the status quo is not something that breeds political action.
This is what happened in Scotland. The SNP lost the independence vote. But they swept all the seats in the general because those who wanted independence stayed politicly motivated.
It happened to Obama as well. After he won the election in 2008, the racist resentful politics actually increased and the democrats lost the congress and the senate.
posted on 6/6/16
Jenius
You would prefer your children to grow up in a poorer, more divided Europe, with restrictions on their movements and opportunities?
posted on 6/6/16
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posted on 6/6/16
https://youtu.be/BP-l40WEGNo
The out lobby
posted on 6/6/16
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Sane (U19841)
posted 3 seconds ago
Jenius
But should the vote be remain clearly over half the population won't be resentful as they won.
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The problem with that is historically, and common sense, staying in means its the vote for 'change' that loses. Keeping the status quo is not something that breeds political action.
This is what happened in Scotland. The SNP lost the independence vote. But they swept all the seats in the general because those who wanted independence stayed politicly motivated.
It happened to Obama as well. After he won the election in 2008, the racist resentful politics actually increased and the democrats lost the congress and the senate.
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So those racist, resentful people are now democratically well-represented.
There is still an argument to be won with those people, but that has always been the challenge for liberals and the left. Bring it on.
posted on 6/6/16
To be clear, I am not suggesting that the majority of SNP or Republican Party supporters are racist or resentful!
posted on 6/6/16
I read The Guardian, eat quiche and enjoy knitting my own yogurt
liberal intelligentsia and proud.
posted on 6/6/16
Oh and let me post my members page...
"I miss the traditional British way of life. You know before we had Bulgarians and the Romanians and the Polish and the Russians and the Australians and the Kurdish and the Turkish and the Bengalis and the Pakistanis and the Indians and the West Indians and the Africans and the Huguenotes and the Jews and the Normans and the Vikings and the Angles and Saxons and the Jutes and the Romans and the bloody Celts who were the first foreign f*cking idiots. It's been downhill ever since."
posted on 6/6/16
And curbing immigration does not make housing appear. Proactive housing policy, addressing and enabling new social housing, redevelopment and new private developments does that
----------------------------
Actually you are wrong. House building is always going to lag immigration. Common sense. It takes far longer to build a house than someone moving from Greece to UK. And the problem with uncontrolled immigration at such high levels (and I didn't want to go down this road because frankly I am left leaning) is that it is impossible for companies to plan for demand. Immigration at these levels is unpredictable. This means you get housing bubbles like we have now where even doctors can't afford to live in London. Its a disaster in waiting for the economy.
This is why I would have voted to stay in had Cameron got what he wanted an opt out of free movement till they fixed the Eurzone. (7 years I think he asked for). Keep in mind it also terrible for countries where these ppl are moving from because they suffer from their young leaving. How are their pension systems going to survive when their you leave?
I personally believe that voting out is the only way the EU leaders will listen to sense and give Cameon what he wants in a renegotiation. Then I believe he will have another referendum. This is exactly what Ireland and France did with the Msatrict treaty. (sorry have to go to a meeting)
posted on 6/6/16
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Sizzle
I did nick it from Charlie Brooker
posted on 6/6/16
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 minutes ago
And curbing immigration does not make housing appear. Proactive housing policy, addressing and enabling new social housing, redevelopment and new private developments does that
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Actually you are wrong. House building is always going to lag immigration. Common sense. It takes far longer to build a house than someone moving from Greece to UK. And the problem with uncontrolled immigration at such high levels (and I didn't want to go down this road because frankly I am left leaning) is that it is impossible for companies to plan for demand. Immigration at these levels is unpredictable. This means you get housing bubbles like we have now where even doctors can't afford to live in London. Its a disaster in waiting for the economy.
This is why I would have voted to stay in had Cameron got what he wanted an opt out of free movement till they fixed the Eurzone. (7 years I think he asked for). Keep in mind it also terrible for countries where these ppl are moving from because they suffer from their young leaving. How are their pension systems going to survive when their you leave?
I personally believe that voting out is the only way the EU leaders will listen to sense and give Cameon what he wants in a renegotiation. Then I believe he will have another referendum. This is exactly what Ireland and France did with the Msatrict treaty. (sorry have to go to a meeting)
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Here's a nice example of an MP who, despite railing against the 'inexorable rise' of the welfare burden on the state, makes over *£625,000 per annum* of our tax money through housing benefit payments made to his struggling tenants:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/revealed-britains-richest-tory-mp-3177996#zP1YWLuUH43BX9Kr.97
Just let that sink in for a moment.
It's all smoke and mirrors mate. The rich and powerful have us nicely focussed on the 'sponging immigrants', whilst they fack us right in the asss, laughing all the time.
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Here's a nice example of an MP who, despite railing against the 'inexorable rise' of the welfare burden on the state, makes over *£625,000 per annum* of our tax money through housing benefit payments made to his struggling tenants:
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I am not sure what you are inferring. There is always going to be corrupt and criminal behaviour at every level.
This does not change what I stated. It is IMPOSSIBLE to plan for the levels of immigration we have had over the last 5 years when the Euro crisis began. The Eurozone is in deep trouble and it can't fix itself if all the young workers leave those countries. Which is what is happening. And the countries that they are coming to like UK, cannot sustain them because public services cannot expand according to the increase of demand. Simply it takes timre to hire doctors, teachers, policemen etc. So you get resentment in the local populations and asset price bubbles and suppression of wages. Its a complete and utter disaster for the economy long term.
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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 7 seconds ago
Here's a nice example of an MP who, despite railing against the 'inexorable rise' of the welfare burden on the state, makes over *£625,000 per annum* of our tax money through housing benefit payments made to his struggling tenants:
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I am not sure what you are inferring. There is always going to be corrupt and criminal behaviour at every level.
This does not change what I stated. It is IMPOSSIBLE to plan for the levels of immigration we have had over the last 5 years when the Euro crisis began. The Eurozone is in deep trouble and it can't fix itself if all the young workers leave those countries. Which is what is happening. And the countries that they are coming to like UK, cannot sustain them because public services cannot expand according to the increase of demand. Simply it takes timre to hire doctors, teachers, policemen etc. So you get resentment in the local populations and asset price bubbles and suppression of wages. Its a complete and utter disaster for the economy long term.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not corrupt or criminal. He's acting entirely within the spirit and strictures of the law.
But it is a perfect example of one of the many reasons why those who create housing policy and legislation don't want to see more affordable housing built. This is what happens when people elect the filthy rich to the Commons.
I would not argue that immigration levels have not added an additional burden on our public services - of course they have.
But the much larger underlying problem is chronic underfunding and the withdrawal of support; a policy purposefully implemented by the Government to undermine public faith in state-run service.
Hospitals are closing. Is that due to immigration? Police numbers are being cut, and stations closed. Is that due to immigration? Teachers are being replaced with under-skilled Teaching Assistants. Is that due to immigration?
posted on 6/6/16
BBC reporting this morning that MPs plan to move to a Norway-type agreement with the EU in the case of an out vote. Several sources across the Commons cited. This would see us retain access to the single market and require the continuation of freedom of movement:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36457120
As I have said repeatedly on this thread, a vote to leave will not see immigration policy change.
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