Forgetting the "moral" arguments for a while.
The huge majority of financial institutions and think tanks say leaving the EU would be bad for the UK economy.
The only reply we get to that from the leave camp it that it's "scaremongering", that is not an argument, that's simply denial of expert opinion.
The huge majority of financial institutions and think tanks say leaving the EU would be bad for the UK economy.
The same financial institutions that dragged us into a reccession that we're still struggling to get out off.
Binky
Your toryness is destroying your judgement...
Give it up you have lost the argument as John major reminded you today
Look at the state of boris.. Do you really think he is pm material ..he is a laughing stock very scruffy buffoon
RB&W
Who, me or my twattish namesake?
The same financial institutions that with all their expertise failed to see the banking collapse.
John Major the guy who was cheating on his wife with a Tory colleague,some chance of anyone believing in his opinions as too what's good for others.
he does have yr name don't he
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 4 minutes ago
Binky
Attack white English ch-Ava who don't want to work too. That's the drain on our taxes, not foreign or brown people
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You're just stating the obvious you fecking tool. The Uk is a majority white country,so there's bound to be more unemployed white British than ethnic. That doesn't mean we should tolerate immigrants claiming benefits. If they didn't work in their native country they'd fecking starve.
Believe it or not, I'm not certain which way I'll vote yet and I am playing devils advocate to a certain extent on this thread.
I'm not against immigration (my Grandparents came from 4 different countries) but I do think we need a points system to sort out the chaff from the wheat.
As a rich nation, we should always make room for genuine refugees this doesn't include people who are just looking for work as that's just driving the standard of living down for about 80% of the country.
Locality. I live in Manchester where there's a building boom on at the moment. Look closely and you'll see that many of the projects are part-financed by the EU.
As the next general election is likely to be between Corbyn and Johnson or London Posh Boy v London Faux Socialist, the lack of EU money coupled with historic underfunding from Westminster would put my neck of the woods back 30 years.
Dilemma, dilemma.
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whats the correlation does unemployment have with Asians??
"thats why he's followed around by asian" you aren't insinuating that Asians are unemployed benefit cheats are you? If not why bring them up?
I never said Asians where all unemployed you paranoid fecker. Asians and Muslims love Corbyn because he's kowtows to them just like that brown noser Galloway.
Corbyn said it was a tragedy because he didn't face TRIAL! NOT! because he was a lovely bloke so don't try and manipulate certain words out of entire sentences.
So you think soldiers lives should have been put into further danger to bring him in alive? We knew he was guilty he told us every other week,so why the need for trial? Why should Bin Laden be treated any different than one of his foot soldiers? If you ask me he was treated humanely, I would have fed him to the pigs.
His assassination is a tragedy because now he won't answer to the victims of 9/11, we won't know which states helped him.... it goes on.
Don't kid yourself, the family of his victims were dancing in the streets when the news of his death broke.
If I see a dead child or one in distress their colour or religion doesn't cross my mind. I'm not opposed to orphaned children under a certain age being allowed in this country,in fact I'd take one in myself, but I'm against mass immigration,and I'm against anyone getting benefits until they've paid into the system for reasonable amount of time. I despise the Tories and have always voted Labour, but that doesn't mean I'm against every Tory policy. I agree with the benefit cap,I'm sick and tied of seeing unemployed families with 5+ kids, it infuriates me even more when they're immigrants.
Are you Muslim?
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My family originated from Morocco, like it makes a difference. Plenty of Europeans immigrants in that country, maybe they need to curb it eh? I mean it's unacceptable that foreigners come to a Muslim country and start drinking, opening up bars. not learning Arabic and not integrating..... right? hmmm no respect for Moroccan values....
Bin Laden also denied being involved in the attacks....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/interview-with-osama-bin-laden-denies-his-involvement-in-9-11/24697
"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people.
Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children, and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel."
So he both denied involvement and claimed responsibility.
The Taliban even offered to hand over Bin Laden to the USA if they could provide evidence Bin Laden attacked the towers.
They rejected the offer....
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/nov/11/afghanistan.iraq
In fact the United States did everything avoid peace so they could attack the middle east.
Taking into consideration he was also a confirmed CIA asset against the Soviets it only makes sense that an investigation should have happened and a trial given to Bin Laden.
This should have happened for two reasons, regardless of if he did it or not he obviously holds valuable information, second.... hmmm.... oh yeah "British Values" and "American Values" dictate that we shouldn't be assassinating people and that we should be making them stand trial.
This is what Corbyn was alluding to.
If the punishment after being found guilty is to be fed to pigs then so be it but what supposed to set this country apart from others is DUE PROCESS.
The fact you don't recognise this tells me you don't have a clue about what this country strives to achieve in the face of schitty leaders like Cameron and Blair and as a consequence this does make you anti British.
If you don't like it move to Saudi Arabia.... right?
You said: "So you think soldiers lives should have been put into further danger to bring him in alive?"
When he was shot he was apparently cowering behind a women and he wasn't armed... how many lives would have been risked to remove the women by elite soldiers and put him in cuffs?
Soldiers who shouldn't have even have been in a sovereign nation in the first place, anyway.
Imagine an Iraqi tactical team infiltrating the USA to kill Bush for his war crimes, what would happen if they got found. Double standards as usual.
Literally almost everything you have claimed so far is either a lie or full of holes... it's obvious you don't ever actually do any research and just regurgitate whatever the S*n tells you or just throw out uneducated guesses like....
"Don't kid yourself, the family of his victims were dancing in the streets when the news of his death broke."
How you know all of the families were happy I don't know.
Yes I am Muslim, I don't know why that matters...
Are you an angry middle aged white man?
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 12 minutes ago
Look at the state of boris.. Do you really think he is pm material ..he is a laughing stock very scruffy buffoon
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He's no worse than that spineless ball bag Corbyn.
I also noticed you didn't address the crimes our country committed in Iraq, maybe your just embarrassed about the genocide we were complicit in.
Boris
Corbiyn won't be there long term at labour he's part of the rebuilding process just as the conservatives did under Blair..
I also noticed you didn't address the crimes our country committed in Iraq, maybe your just embarrassed about the genocide we were complicit in.
I'm not. Didn't want to invade Iraq or Afghanistan in the first place and haven't voted Labour since thanks to Blair.
Just to clarify a myth perpetuated by various extremist groups. The allies were responsible for less than 5% of the deaths (5% too many imo) the rest was and continues to be because of Muslim on Muslim violence.
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
I also noticed you didn't address the crimes our country committed in Iraq, maybe your just embarrassed about the genocide we were complicit in.
I'm not. Didn't want to invade Iraq or Afghanistan in the first place and haven't voted Labour since thanks to Blair.
Just to clarify a myth perpetuated by various extremist groups. The allies were responsible for less than 5% of the deaths (5% too many imo) the rest was and continues to be because of Muslim on Muslim violence.
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Boris I wasn't talking to you mate.
Sorry that was supposed to Alas.
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 33 minutes ago
Attack white English ch-Ava who don't want to work too. That's the drain on our taxes, not foreign or brown people
I don't recall mentioning colour. On fact white Australians are dab hands at ripping off the system.
Moving on, tell me exactly how a family of 9 coming from Eastern Europe to avail themselves of our free education, free healthcare and in their case, free housing actually benefits me personally.
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For the 5,000th time, here are some undisputed facts:
1. The average EU immigrant is 50% more likely than your average British adult to hold a university degree
2. The average EU immigrant pays more tax than the average British adult
3. The average EU immigrant takes less in state benefits than the average British adult
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 4 minutes ago
Binky
Attack white English ch-Ava who don't want to work too. That's the drain on our taxes, not foreign or brown people
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You're just stating the obvious you fecking tool. The Uk is a majority white country,so there's bound to be more unemployed white British than ethnic. That doesn't mean we should tolerate immigrants claiming benefits. If they didn't work in their native country they'd fecking starve.
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Not if they're from the EU they wouldn't, as one of the requirements for membership is the provision of basic social security.
One of the many ways the EU helps protect citizens of its member states
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 33 minutes ago
Attack white English ch-Ava who don't want to work too. That's the drain on our taxes, not foreign or brown people
I don't recall mentioning colour. On fact white Australians are dab hands at ripping off the system.
Moving on, tell me exactly how a family of 9 coming from Eastern Europe to avail themselves of our free education, free healthcare and in their case, free housing actually benefits me personally.
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For the 5,000th time, here are some undisputed facts:
1. The average EU immigrant is 50% more likely than your average British adult to hold a university degree
2. The average EU immigrant pays more tax than the average British adult
3. The average EU immigrant takes less in state benefits than the average British adult
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So, it would make sense for thick white working class brits to worry about mass immigration, by your own argument😉
I hear Remain want to curb non-EU immigration, the racist swine.
At least Leave oppose white EU immigration here.
For the 5,000th time, here are some undisputed facts:
1. The average EU immigrant is 50% more likely than your average British adult to hold a university degree
2. The average EU immigrant pays more tax than the average British adult
3. The average EU immigrant takes less in state benefits than the average British adult
For the 5,000th time, bollox.
Average's are misleading, that's why they can made to bolster any point:
Say 1 person earns £100k a year whilst his 2 neighbours earn minimum wage of about £15k a year.
That would mean the average wage wage for the 3 people is about £43k a year when the reality is the majority (our 2 minimum wagers) are actually earning a third of that.
Not if they're from the EU they wouldn't, as one of the requirements for membership is the provision of basic social security.
One of the many ways the EU helps protect citizens of its member states
.and it's all one way traffic. How many Brits do you hear of going off to Bulgaria to sign on?
Boris
Forget Corbiyn and labour
The next Pm battle started 2 months ago
It's between Boris and Dave
But you must know this really
The nest big issue after Brexit should it happen would be for boris to deal with the end of the uk
Dave is on his last term anyway and Johnson is his replacement-in-waiting.
80% of the country think BJ is a nobhead, could be Labours big chance if they ditch Corbyn.
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posted on 5/6/16
Forgetting the "moral" arguments for a while.
The huge majority of financial institutions and think tanks say leaving the EU would be bad for the UK economy.
The only reply we get to that from the leave camp it that it's "scaremongering", that is not an argument, that's simply denial of expert opinion.
posted on 5/6/16
Binky
They dont
posted on 5/6/16
The huge majority of financial institutions and think tanks say leaving the EU would be bad for the UK economy.
The same financial institutions that dragged us into a reccession that we're still struggling to get out off.
posted on 5/6/16
Binky
Your toryness is destroying your judgement...
Give it up you have lost the argument as John major reminded you today
posted on 5/6/16
Look at the state of boris.. Do you really think he is pm material ..he is a laughing stock very scruffy buffoon
posted on 5/6/16
RB&W
Who, me or my twattish namesake?
posted on 5/6/16
The same financial institutions that with all their expertise failed to see the banking collapse.
John Major the guy who was cheating on his wife with a Tory colleague,some chance of anyone believing in his opinions as too what's good for others.
posted on 5/6/16
he does have yr name don't he
posted on 5/6/16
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 4 minutes ago
Binky
Attack white English ch-Ava who don't want to work too. That's the drain on our taxes, not foreign or brown people
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You're just stating the obvious you fecking tool. The Uk is a majority white country,so there's bound to be more unemployed white British than ethnic. That doesn't mean we should tolerate immigrants claiming benefits. If they didn't work in their native country they'd fecking starve.
posted on 5/6/16
Believe it or not, I'm not certain which way I'll vote yet and I am playing devils advocate to a certain extent on this thread.
I'm not against immigration (my Grandparents came from 4 different countries) but I do think we need a points system to sort out the chaff from the wheat.
As a rich nation, we should always make room for genuine refugees this doesn't include people who are just looking for work as that's just driving the standard of living down for about 80% of the country.
Locality. I live in Manchester where there's a building boom on at the moment. Look closely and you'll see that many of the projects are part-financed by the EU.
As the next general election is likely to be between Corbyn and Johnson or London Posh Boy v London Faux Socialist, the lack of EU money coupled with historic underfunding from Westminster would put my neck of the woods back 30 years.
Dilemma, dilemma.
posted on 5/6/16
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
Whats the correlation does unemployment have with Asians??
"thats why he's followed around by asian" you aren't insinuating that Asians are unemployed benefit cheats are you? If not why bring them up?
I never said Asians where all unemployed you paranoid fecker. Asians and Muslims love Corbyn because he's kowtows to them just like that brown noser Galloway.
Corbyn said it was a tragedy because he didn't face TRIAL! NOT! because he was a lovely bloke so don't try and manipulate certain words out of entire sentences.
So you think soldiers lives should have been put into further danger to bring him in alive? We knew he was guilty he told us every other week,so why the need for trial? Why should Bin Laden be treated any different than one of his foot soldiers? If you ask me he was treated humanely, I would have fed him to the pigs.
His assassination is a tragedy because now he won't answer to the victims of 9/11, we won't know which states helped him.... it goes on.
Don't kid yourself, the family of his victims were dancing in the streets when the news of his death broke.
If I see a dead child or one in distress their colour or religion doesn't cross my mind. I'm not opposed to orphaned children under a certain age being allowed in this country,in fact I'd take one in myself, but I'm against mass immigration,and I'm against anyone getting benefits until they've paid into the system for reasonable amount of time. I despise the Tories and have always voted Labour, but that doesn't mean I'm against every Tory policy. I agree with the benefit cap,I'm sick and tied of seeing unemployed families with 5+ kids, it infuriates me even more when they're immigrants.
Are you Muslim?
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My family originated from Morocco, like it makes a difference. Plenty of Europeans immigrants in that country, maybe they need to curb it eh? I mean it's unacceptable that foreigners come to a Muslim country and start drinking, opening up bars. not learning Arabic and not integrating..... right? hmmm no respect for Moroccan values....
Bin Laden also denied being involved in the attacks....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/interview-with-osama-bin-laden-denies-his-involvement-in-9-11/24697
"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people.
Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children, and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel."
So he both denied involvement and claimed responsibility.
The Taliban even offered to hand over Bin Laden to the USA if they could provide evidence Bin Laden attacked the towers.
They rejected the offer....
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/nov/11/afghanistan.iraq
In fact the United States did everything avoid peace so they could attack the middle east.
Taking into consideration he was also a confirmed CIA asset against the Soviets it only makes sense that an investigation should have happened and a trial given to Bin Laden.
This should have happened for two reasons, regardless of if he did it or not he obviously holds valuable information, second.... hmmm.... oh yeah "British Values" and "American Values" dictate that we shouldn't be assassinating people and that we should be making them stand trial.
This is what Corbyn was alluding to.
If the punishment after being found guilty is to be fed to pigs then so be it but what supposed to set this country apart from others is DUE PROCESS.
The fact you don't recognise this tells me you don't have a clue about what this country strives to achieve in the face of schitty leaders like Cameron and Blair and as a consequence this does make you anti British.
If you don't like it move to Saudi Arabia.... right?
You said: "So you think soldiers lives should have been put into further danger to bring him in alive?"
When he was shot he was apparently cowering behind a women and he wasn't armed... how many lives would have been risked to remove the women by elite soldiers and put him in cuffs?
Soldiers who shouldn't have even have been in a sovereign nation in the first place, anyway.
Imagine an Iraqi tactical team infiltrating the USA to kill Bush for his war crimes, what would happen if they got found. Double standards as usual.
Literally almost everything you have claimed so far is either a lie or full of holes... it's obvious you don't ever actually do any research and just regurgitate whatever the S*n tells you or just throw out uneducated guesses like....
"Don't kid yourself, the family of his victims were dancing in the streets when the news of his death broke."
How you know all of the families were happy I don't know.
Yes I am Muslim, I don't know why that matters...
Are you an angry middle aged white man?
posted on 5/6/16
Native
posted on 5/6/16
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 12 minutes ago
Look at the state of boris.. Do you really think he is pm material ..he is a laughing stock very scruffy buffoon
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He's no worse than that spineless ball bag Corbyn.
posted on 5/6/16
I also noticed you didn't address the crimes our country committed in Iraq, maybe your just embarrassed about the genocide we were complicit in.
posted on 5/6/16
Boris
Corbiyn won't be there long term at labour he's part of the rebuilding process just as the conservatives did under Blair..
posted on 5/6/16
I also noticed you didn't address the crimes our country committed in Iraq, maybe your just embarrassed about the genocide we were complicit in.
I'm not. Didn't want to invade Iraq or Afghanistan in the first place and haven't voted Labour since thanks to Blair.
Just to clarify a myth perpetuated by various extremist groups. The allies were responsible for less than 5% of the deaths (5% too many imo) the rest was and continues to be because of Muslim on Muslim violence.
posted on 5/6/16
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
I also noticed you didn't address the crimes our country committed in Iraq, maybe your just embarrassed about the genocide we were complicit in.
I'm not. Didn't want to invade Iraq or Afghanistan in the first place and haven't voted Labour since thanks to Blair.
Just to clarify a myth perpetuated by various extremist groups. The allies were responsible for less than 5% of the deaths (5% too many imo) the rest was and continues to be because of Muslim on Muslim violence.
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Boris I wasn't talking to you mate.
Sorry that was supposed to Alas.
posted on 5/6/16
posted on 5/6/16
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 33 minutes ago
Attack white English ch-Ava who don't want to work too. That's the drain on our taxes, not foreign or brown people
I don't recall mentioning colour. On fact white Australians are dab hands at ripping off the system.
Moving on, tell me exactly how a family of 9 coming from Eastern Europe to avail themselves of our free education, free healthcare and in their case, free housing actually benefits me personally.
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For the 5,000th time, here are some undisputed facts:
1. The average EU immigrant is 50% more likely than your average British adult to hold a university degree
2. The average EU immigrant pays more tax than the average British adult
3. The average EU immigrant takes less in state benefits than the average British adult
posted on 5/6/16
comment by Alasnomoresmithandjones (long live Israel) (U15157)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by RB&W (U2335)
posted 4 minutes ago
Binky
Attack white English ch-Ava who don't want to work too. That's the drain on our taxes, not foreign or brown people
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You're just stating the obvious you fecking tool. The Uk is a majority white country,so there's bound to be more unemployed white British than ethnic. That doesn't mean we should tolerate immigrants claiming benefits. If they didn't work in their native country they'd fecking starve.
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Not if they're from the EU they wouldn't, as one of the requirements for membership is the provision of basic social security.
One of the many ways the EU helps protect citizens of its member states
posted on 5/6/16
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 33 minutes ago
Attack white English ch-Ava who don't want to work too. That's the drain on our taxes, not foreign or brown people
I don't recall mentioning colour. On fact white Australians are dab hands at ripping off the system.
Moving on, tell me exactly how a family of 9 coming from Eastern Europe to avail themselves of our free education, free healthcare and in their case, free housing actually benefits me personally.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
For the 5,000th time, here are some undisputed facts:
1. The average EU immigrant is 50% more likely than your average British adult to hold a university degree
2. The average EU immigrant pays more tax than the average British adult
3. The average EU immigrant takes less in state benefits than the average British adult
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So, it would make sense for thick white working class brits to worry about mass immigration, by your own argument😉
I hear Remain want to curb non-EU immigration, the racist swine.
At least Leave oppose white EU immigration here.
posted on 5/6/16
For the 5,000th time, here are some undisputed facts:
1. The average EU immigrant is 50% more likely than your average British adult to hold a university degree
2. The average EU immigrant pays more tax than the average British adult
3. The average EU immigrant takes less in state benefits than the average British adult
For the 5,000th time, bollox.
Average's are misleading, that's why they can made to bolster any point:
Say 1 person earns £100k a year whilst his 2 neighbours earn minimum wage of about £15k a year.
That would mean the average wage wage for the 3 people is about £43k a year when the reality is the majority (our 2 minimum wagers) are actually earning a third of that.
posted on 5/6/16
Not if they're from the EU they wouldn't, as one of the requirements for membership is the provision of basic social security.
One of the many ways the EU helps protect citizens of its member states
.and it's all one way traffic. How many Brits do you hear of going off to Bulgaria to sign on?
posted on 5/6/16
Boris
Forget Corbiyn and labour
The next Pm battle started 2 months ago
It's between Boris and Dave
But you must know this really
The nest big issue after Brexit should it happen would be for boris to deal with the end of the uk
posted on 5/6/16
Dave is on his last term anyway and Johnson is his replacement-in-waiting.
80% of the country think BJ is a nobhead, could be Labours big chance if they ditch Corbyn.
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