Rightly it wrongly, it is not going to happen in the next ten years at the very least!**

that's no consolation, if it ever happens it will be too soon, not worth the risk to British lives

comment by LQ no kato not now (U6305)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 6 minutes ago
Michael Moore demonstrates the benefits of socialism in his new documentary.

http://www.empireonline.com/movies/invade-next/review/

I still owe 12k in university loans, I could have studied in Slovenia for 3 years and come out debt free with a degree.
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You shouldn't have borrowed it if you were unable to promptly repay it / had a problem with owing money.
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Yeah I should have just worked in Asda instead.

I needed a degree in my area of work, if I could have dodged uni I would have.

Education should be a right for every citizen and it should be free!

The fact you can't see the benefits of free education scares me.
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Wasn't it labour that created student loans, and university fees?
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Yup and now Labour has a socialist leader who wants to make it free again, which is why I'm going to vote for the first time ever.

comment by really? (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
Rightly it wrongly, it is not going to happen in the next ten years at the very least!**

that's no consolation, if it ever happens it will be too soon, not worth the risk to British lives
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How will Turkey put British lives at risk if we were both in the EU.

You aren't really able to answer that.

comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
Most of the 'leave' voters will have popped their clogs by the time exit treaties have been negotiated. Should over-65s' votes only count half?...
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hopefully you will have 'popped your clogs' long before all of them
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Thanks

The above was a joke, to be clear. I'd prefer it if every single person of voting age educated themselves on the structures, functions, pros and cons of the EU, came to a decision, and voted in the referendum.

Thanks in no small part to the narrowing of the Overton Window, we've become far too apathetic and resigned in the UK to our fates.
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Wishing death on somebody, he 'really?' is classy.

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160420IPR24132/Agreement-on-opening-up-of-the-EU-passenger-railway-market

And did any powers on the 'left' in EU agree to this or even realise this was happening? Ratified by European parliament but lets see what happens when the French are forced to comply. The Germans are already up in arms against it, a bit too late. We have gone through the mess railtrack/and operator privatisation made of our system, increasing ticket prices and now Labour won't able to do anything about it.

As one of the CEO's put to me recently. Its far cheaper to lobby EU bureaucrats than persuading national electorates. Its not about left or right. Its about putting up entire countries up for sale without any say of the electorate in that country. A fundamental power grab from democracies.

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On this particular piece of legislation, it does not prevent state bodies from continuing to provide public rail services provided it can be demonstrated that their proposal represents the best deal for rail users.

It also offers protections ensuring that there are no contracts awarded inappropriately; for example, to favoured partners with less favourable proposals.

comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 10 minutes ago
All of it
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comment by really? (U17250)
posted 10 minutes ago
Rightly it wrongly, it is not going to happen in the next ten years at the very least!**

that's no consolation, if it ever happens it will be too soon, not worth the risk to British lives
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Our 'special relationship' with the US is far more of a threat to British lives than our membership of the EU or any of its member states.

comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160420IPR24132/Agreement-on-opening-up-of-the-EU-passenger-railway-market

And did any powers on the 'left' in EU agree to this or even realise this was happening? Ratified by European parliament but lets see what happens when the French are forced to comply. The Germans are already up in arms against it, a bit too late. We have gone through the mess railtrack/and operator privatisation made of our system, increasing ticket prices and now Labour won't able to do anything about it.

As one of the CEO's put to me recently. Its far cheaper to lobby EU bureaucrats than persuading national electorates. Its not about left or right. Its about putting up entire countries up for sale without any say of the electorate in that country. A fundamental power grab from democracies.

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EU primary legislation has to be approved by democratically elected national governments before it is then ratified by a directly democratically elected EU Parliament.

This is the only way to enshrine primary legislation into EU law.

What part of that don't you like?
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For a start. One colour of government can give the go ahead without any possibility of repeal under a newly elected government because that would require the agreement of 25 others. Forcing them to acquiesce to bad and fundamentally flawed concepts that may sounded great in principle at one time. The fact most in both parties agree to how bad privatisation of the railway was in the UK, one privately and the other publicly but Labour has no power now to renationalise it. Something they campaign on!

This is what has happened to France with TTIP. So please don't lecture me on the so call ludicrous and laughable safeguards for democracy in the EU. Because I have to send advisers to multinationals who have deal with it every day.

How will Turkey put British lives at risk if we were both in the EU.

You aren't really able to answer that.**

yeah I am...but you would just start crying

Our 'special relationship' with the US is far more of a threat to British lives than our membership of the EU or any of its member states.**

I dont think it is, USA has alot in common with Britain, more than the EU I've always felt alot closer to USA and Australia than Europe and the 'others'

comment by really? (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
How will Turkey put British lives at risk if we were both in the EU.

You aren't really able to answer that.**

yeah I am...but you would just start crying
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You mean providing a rebuttal with actual links to information and quotes.

You don't have a reason except it's a Muslim country. Just admit it.

Ah socialist labour that had us in blackouts in the 70's and rubbish covering the street, a socialist paradise.

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comment by really? (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
Our 'special relationship' with the US is far more of a threat to British lives than our membership of the EU or any of its member states.**

I dont think it is, USA has alot in common with Britain, more than the EUI've always felt alot closer to USA and Australia than Europe and the 'others'
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They almost turned the east of England into a nuclear desert and they house there nukes here so the Russians kill us before them.

Yup we are BFF's.

On this particular piece of legislation, it does not prevent state bodies from continuing to provide public rail services provided it can be demonstrated that their proposal represents the best deal for rail users.
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Do you even realise how bad that sounds? Justify to who? You are saying that Germany should abdicate its responsibilities to its electorate in order to 'please' an appointed competition commissioner in Brussels?

And you don't see how a corporation can far more easily influence one man compared to an entire government that has to answer to its people?

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comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rossobianchi - Vote Drizzle! (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160420IPR24132/Agreement-on-opening-up-of-the-EU-passenger-railway-market

And did any powers on the 'left' in EU agree to this or even realise this was happening? Ratified by European parliament but lets see what happens when the French are forced to comply. The Germans are already up in arms against it, a bit too late. We have gone through the mess railtrack/and operator privatisation made of our system, increasing ticket prices and now Labour won't able to do anything about it.

As one of the CEO's put to me recently. Its far cheaper to lobby EU bureaucrats than persuading national electorates. Its not about left or right. Its about putting up entire countries up for sale without any say of the electorate in that country. A fundamental power grab from democracies.

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EU primary legislation has to be approved by democratically elected national governments before it is then ratified by a directly democratically elected EU Parliament.

This is the only way to enshrine primary legislation into EU law.

What part of that don't you like?
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For a start. One colour of government can give the go ahead without any possibility of repeal under a newly elected government because that would require the agreement of 25 others. Forcing them to acquiesce to bad and fundamentally flawed concepts that may sounded great in principle at one time. The fact most in both parties agree to how bad privatisation of the railway was in the UK, one privately and the other publicly but Labour has no power now to renationalise it. Something they campaign on!

This is what has happened to France with TTIP. So please don't lecture me on the so call ludicrous and laughable safeguards for democracy in the EU. Because I have to send advisers to multinationals who have deal with it every day.
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I wasn't offering a lecture, and apologies if it came across that way. I come across so many people who believe that EU legislation is somehow enacted by bureaucrats or technocrats that I forget sometimes that there are those who have taken the time to educate themselves. No offence intended.

TTIP is nowhere near being enacted yet. For that to happen, as you know, it will have to be ratified by the European Parliament, made up of MEPs directly elected by the likes of you and I.

For some countries with constitutions that require it (like France, unlike us), their national parliament will be able to opt out: France's constitution clearly requires that any trade agreement is ratified by the national parliament before it becomes enforceable law in France.

Interestingly enough, UK MPs and MEPs have been disproportionately heavily involved in the drafting of the TTIP papers, so the British people have been very favourably represented to date.

And I am absolutely no fan at all of some of the proposals we might see in TTIP, for the record.

You don't have a reason except it's a Muslim country. Just admit it.**

I can't admit it because It's not true

my problem would be that they are backwards thinking as people and 'third world', their ideals and values are far removed from western ones and we are already struggling with some sections of British society on that front, the fact that some of them may be muslim would be a coincidence, there is good and bad in everyone

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They almost turned the east of England into a nuclear desert and they house there nukes here so the Russians kill us before them.

Yup we are BFF's.**

I prefer them to you

Funny how Germans French and Dutch voters want an in out vote now.

The first domino to fall I think.

People voters don't want a superstate that can't and hasn't been able to sign off on its accounts.

And is a bloated mess.

Time for people to use this democratic vote to show them that.

They've already said. Back of the Que. Get in line**

it was stated as back of the line actually, you have added the word queue* (spelt queue, and not que or cue) in yourself, back of the line made it obvious that the statement was written for him by downing street

Queue Sera Sera

comment by really? (U17250)
posted 1 minute ago
You don't have a reason except it's a Muslim country. Just admit it.**

I can't admit it because It's not true

my problem would be that they are backwards thinking as people and 'third world', their ideals and values are far removed from western ones and we are already struggling with some sections of British society on that front, the fact that some of them may be muslim would be a coincidence, there is good and bad in everyone
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Backwards thinking how?

Backwards thinking how?**

I think it is probably down to upbringing, education and the literature that they consume be thankful Kung Fu...love your queen

comment by really? (U17250)
posted 2 minutes ago
They almost turned the east of England into a nuclear desert and they house there nukes here so the Russians kill us before them.

Yup we are BFF's.**

I prefer them to you
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That's ok, but what are your feelings on America having absolutely no respect for human life on this Island?