comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 5 minutes ago
He's voting out because Britain First told him to on a post about how a school in London wants to execute children if they wear a poppy.
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I bet he wouldn't mind if an Arab child was getting executed though funny how he supports Israel, which is one of the biggest terror states in the world and then starts crying when he's called a racist.
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Anyway, "unfortunately" it is home time for me.
It's been a pleasure to discuss with most of you
I feel like the vast majority of the leave campaign are voting purely because of some sense of nationalism and "taking back our country" which is complete nonsense.
What exactly are we going to take back? Everything was fine before the financial crisis. We had a long period of moderation and there were hardly any complaints.
The crisis itself isn't the fault of the European Union. The UK began deregulating under the Thatcher government and continued by Labour afterwards. It created an environment where regulation was very low on the agenda and risky positions were taking exposing us to the housing bubble in the US and all the derivatives that we were invested in.
Then quantitative easing essentially took money out of our pockets and gave it to the banks and institutions who make a ton loads of money previously and bailed out when it all went south. Financial markets went back into all-time high whilst wages and unemployment stagnated or even fell in real terms.
Immigrants working here are willing to accept really low wages which means that they are more likely to keep their jobs compared to the British worker protesting a higher living wage (rightly so by the way) but that's not the immigrants fault entirely.
Globalisation means that countries and economies are more complex than before and all linked together. Leaving the EU won't solve any of your problems because the problem isn't immigrants and it definitely isn't the £50m in contributions every week. That seems like a huge amount of money but its only about 1% of our GDP - in the meantime, our government allows for companies who owe millions and at times billions in taxes to get away with it completely or at the worse pay something like 10%.. in instalments. Wouldn't we all love that treatment if we avoided tax..
By all means, the EU isn't perfect. I've mentioned before in this forum that you can't have one single monetary policy working together with different fiscal policies because every country is at different stages of development and varying economic strengths. It needs to somehow be fixed but leaving the EU isn't the answer. It will only allow our governments (which have made pretty poor decisions over the years) greater power where the NHS could potentially be further privatise because that's already begun. They've basically cut their budget, made them struggle with the lower finances and then used that to justify its privatisation because they aren't copping with it..
This is quite a long post but voters need to be informed that regardless the decision made during the referendum it will not solve any of the major problems. Do not for one instance think that leaving the EU will sort out your employment situation and that the UK's economy will see some true growth.
Greed and corruption has lead to a widening inequality and increased anger. There is plenty of money in the economy, if spent wisely, to see most people benefit. Unfortunately, political campaigns aren't funded by firms like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan for goodwill.
Think about your own politicians. Policies such as a huge military expenditure and leniency with corporate tax avoidance before blaming the EU system or the immigrants in the UK.
TL;DR?
The EU has been flawed since inception but leaving it isn't going to solve any of the major problems.
Wouldn't worry about it Arab, he openly admitted to trolling the Utd board yesterday and then wonders why people call him up on his comments.
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SirCastic (U8772)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hope so, he's ruined a decent debate here...
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That'd already happened when it became a Monarchy thread.
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You'll notice I said "please no"
It's an endless/pointless debate.
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Robben, I loathe the Monarchy, to me it is completely anachronistic to any idea of democracy. You disagree. Doesn't make it pointless.
Didn't you like my Darren Ferguson joke?
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 28 minutes ago
Out of interest what particular piece of European legislation do you not agree with?**
All of it
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Such an ignorant response.
Without EU Labour Law you wouldn't have a minimum amount of paid annual leave.
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 5 minutes ago
I feel like the vast majority of the leave campaign are voting purely because of some sense of nationalism and "taking back our country" which is complete nonsense.
What exactly are we going to take back? Everything was fine before the financial crisis. We had a long period of moderation and there were hardly any complaints.
The crisis itself isn't the fault of the European Union. The UK began deregulating under the Thatcher government and continued by Labour afterwards. It created an environment where regulation was very low on the agenda and risky positions were taking exposing us to the housing bubble in the US and all the derivatives that we were invested in.
Then quantitative easing essentially took money out of our pockets and gave it to the banks and institutions who make a ton loads of money previously and bailed out when it all went south. Financial markets went back into all-time high whilst wages and unemployment stagnated or even fell in real terms.
Immigrants working here are willing to accept really low wages which means that they are more likely to keep their jobs compared to the British worker protesting a higher living wage (rightly so by the way) but that's not the immigrants fault entirely.
Globalisation means that countries and economies are more complex than before and all linked together. Leaving the EU won't solve any of your problems because the problem isn't immigrants and it definitely isn't the £50m in contributions every week. That seems like a huge amount of money but its only about 1% of our GDP - in the meantime, our government allows for companies who owe millions and at times billions in taxes to get away with it completely or at the worse pay something like 10%.. in instalments. Wouldn't we all love that treatment if we avoided tax..
By all means, the EU isn't perfect. I've mentioned before in this forum that you can't have one single monetary policy working together with different fiscal policies because every country is at different stages of development and varying economic strengths. It needs to somehow be fixed but leaving the EU isn't the answer. It will only allow our governments (which have made pretty poor decisions over the years) greater power where the NHS could potentially be further privatise because that's already begun. They've basically cut their budget, made them struggle with the lower finances and then used that to justify its privatisation because they aren't copping with it..
This is quite a long post but voters need to be informed that regardless the decision made during the referendum it will not solve any of the major problems. Do not for one instance think that leaving the EU will sort out your employment situation and that the UK's economy will see some true growth.
Greed and corruption has lead to a widening inequality and increased anger. There is plenty of money in the economy, if spent wisely, to see most people benefit. Unfortunately, political campaigns aren't funded by firms like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan for goodwill.
Think about your own politicians. Policies such as a huge military expenditure and leniency with corporate tax avoidance before blaming the EU system or the immigrants in the UK.
TL;DR?
The EU has been flawed since inception but leaving it isn't going to solve any of the major problems.
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Well said
In. If you really think it through there aren't really any benefits to leaving
Love seeing someone post a really long moderate informed looking post then someone on the thread copy pastes it and makes it look like they were just about to get around to posting it themselves
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 12 minutes ago
In. If you really think it through there aren't really any benefits to leaving
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Of course there are.
really? said so
" It [leaving] will only allow our governments (which have made pretty poor decisions over the years) greater power where the NHS could potentially be further privatise because that's already begun. They've basically cut their budget, made them struggle with the lower finances and then used that to justify its privatisation because they aren't copping with it.."
This needs repeating. again and again.
if you DON'T want the Tories to finally kick our NHS into touch then you MUST vote remain. Don't be taken in by Cameron's rhetoric - he secretly wants us out of Europe in order to push through even more savage cuts, the likes of which have not been seen before.
Amusingly all those that think our European neighbours are cack, are the very one`s that spend all their holidays in their countries. They don`t like England that much to spend a week or so at Clacton propping up the so called ailing economy.
"Don't be taken in by Cameron's rhetoric - he secretly wants us out of Europe in order to push through even more savage cuts, the likes of which have not been seen before."
Sad thing is, as suggested earlier - he secretly doesn't give a flying feck. He wins either way, as do Boris et al. We really are mugs in this country, born to serve.
I wonder how many posts on this thread Sandy can actually see....
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comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 29 minutes ago
In. If you really think it through there aren't really any benefits to leaving
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How about controlling your own destiny and having the ability of removing those in power when they mess up.
Lets not forget EU removed elected an government in Italy and the finance minister in Greece.
If i thought the EU could reform itself i would be tempted to vote to stay in.
Sadly it has proven itself incapable of reform and is becoming more undemocratic the longer it goes on.
For 40 years its been moving the parliament from Brussels to strasbourg at a cost of 150mil a year.Everyone in brussels agrees its crazy but its in the treaty so can't be changed.
The EU is using Trilogues more and more to push regulation through,so we end up with a massive democratic deficit and a massive surplus of bureaucracy
Done this debate to death on several threads, so I am going with the simple.....
OUT
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Why would Nigel Farage have any say?
We have at least 2yrs to wind it down after a vote - probably 3 in all likelihood - then we have a General Election where you can pick who determines your future
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"For 40 years its been moving the parliament from Brussels to strasbourg at a cost of 150mil a year.Everyone in brussels agrees its crazy but its in the treaty so can't be changed."
Everyone agrees this is a mental state of affairs, but like most things in law and politics, no-one seems to query why is costs quite so much to do it.
Most of us need to turn up to a different office now and then, maybe even a different country - surely we manage to achieve this without quite so much expense.
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posted on 1/6/16
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 5 minutes ago
He's voting out because Britain First told him to on a post about how a school in London wants to execute children if they wear a poppy.
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I bet he wouldn't mind if an Arab child was getting executed though funny how he supports Israel, which is one of the biggest terror states in the world and then starts crying when he's called a racist.
posted on 1/6/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 1/6/16
Anyway, "unfortunately" it is home time for me.
It's been a pleasure to discuss with most of you
posted on 1/6/16
I feel like the vast majority of the leave campaign are voting purely because of some sense of nationalism and "taking back our country" which is complete nonsense.
What exactly are we going to take back? Everything was fine before the financial crisis. We had a long period of moderation and there were hardly any complaints.
The crisis itself isn't the fault of the European Union. The UK began deregulating under the Thatcher government and continued by Labour afterwards. It created an environment where regulation was very low on the agenda and risky positions were taking exposing us to the housing bubble in the US and all the derivatives that we were invested in.
Then quantitative easing essentially took money out of our pockets and gave it to the banks and institutions who make a ton loads of money previously and bailed out when it all went south. Financial markets went back into all-time high whilst wages and unemployment stagnated or even fell in real terms.
Immigrants working here are willing to accept really low wages which means that they are more likely to keep their jobs compared to the British worker protesting a higher living wage (rightly so by the way) but that's not the immigrants fault entirely.
Globalisation means that countries and economies are more complex than before and all linked together. Leaving the EU won't solve any of your problems because the problem isn't immigrants and it definitely isn't the £50m in contributions every week. That seems like a huge amount of money but its only about 1% of our GDP - in the meantime, our government allows for companies who owe millions and at times billions in taxes to get away with it completely or at the worse pay something like 10%.. in instalments. Wouldn't we all love that treatment if we avoided tax..
By all means, the EU isn't perfect. I've mentioned before in this forum that you can't have one single monetary policy working together with different fiscal policies because every country is at different stages of development and varying economic strengths. It needs to somehow be fixed but leaving the EU isn't the answer. It will only allow our governments (which have made pretty poor decisions over the years) greater power where the NHS could potentially be further privatise because that's already begun. They've basically cut their budget, made them struggle with the lower finances and then used that to justify its privatisation because they aren't copping with it..
This is quite a long post but voters need to be informed that regardless the decision made during the referendum it will not solve any of the major problems. Do not for one instance think that leaving the EU will sort out your employment situation and that the UK's economy will see some true growth.
Greed and corruption has lead to a widening inequality and increased anger. There is plenty of money in the economy, if spent wisely, to see most people benefit. Unfortunately, political campaigns aren't funded by firms like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan for goodwill.
Think about your own politicians. Policies such as a huge military expenditure and leniency with corporate tax avoidance before blaming the EU system or the immigrants in the UK.
TL;DR?
The EU has been flawed since inception but leaving it isn't going to solve any of the major problems.
posted on 1/6/16
Wouldn't worry about it Arab, he openly admitted to trolling the Utd board yesterday and then wonders why people call him up on his comments.
posted on 1/6/16
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SirCastic (U8772)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robben (U1145)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hope so, he's ruined a decent debate here...
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That'd already happened when it became a Monarchy thread.
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You'll notice I said "please no"
It's an endless/pointless debate.
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Robben, I loathe the Monarchy, to me it is completely anachronistic to any idea of democracy. You disagree. Doesn't make it pointless.
Didn't you like my Darren Ferguson joke?
posted on 1/6/16
comment by really? (U17250)
posted 28 minutes ago
Out of interest what particular piece of European legislation do you not agree with?**
All of it
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Such an ignorant response.
Without EU Labour Law you wouldn't have a minimum amount of paid annual leave.
posted on 1/6/16
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 5 minutes ago
I feel like the vast majority of the leave campaign are voting purely because of some sense of nationalism and "taking back our country" which is complete nonsense.
What exactly are we going to take back? Everything was fine before the financial crisis. We had a long period of moderation and there were hardly any complaints.
The crisis itself isn't the fault of the European Union. The UK began deregulating under the Thatcher government and continued by Labour afterwards. It created an environment where regulation was very low on the agenda and risky positions were taking exposing us to the housing bubble in the US and all the derivatives that we were invested in.
Then quantitative easing essentially took money out of our pockets and gave it to the banks and institutions who make a ton loads of money previously and bailed out when it all went south. Financial markets went back into all-time high whilst wages and unemployment stagnated or even fell in real terms.
Immigrants working here are willing to accept really low wages which means that they are more likely to keep their jobs compared to the British worker protesting a higher living wage (rightly so by the way) but that's not the immigrants fault entirely.
Globalisation means that countries and economies are more complex than before and all linked together. Leaving the EU won't solve any of your problems because the problem isn't immigrants and it definitely isn't the £50m in contributions every week. That seems like a huge amount of money but its only about 1% of our GDP - in the meantime, our government allows for companies who owe millions and at times billions in taxes to get away with it completely or at the worse pay something like 10%.. in instalments. Wouldn't we all love that treatment if we avoided tax..
By all means, the EU isn't perfect. I've mentioned before in this forum that you can't have one single monetary policy working together with different fiscal policies because every country is at different stages of development and varying economic strengths. It needs to somehow be fixed but leaving the EU isn't the answer. It will only allow our governments (which have made pretty poor decisions over the years) greater power where the NHS could potentially be further privatise because that's already begun. They've basically cut their budget, made them struggle with the lower finances and then used that to justify its privatisation because they aren't copping with it..
This is quite a long post but voters need to be informed that regardless the decision made during the referendum it will not solve any of the major problems. Do not for one instance think that leaving the EU will sort out your employment situation and that the UK's economy will see some true growth.
Greed and corruption has lead to a widening inequality and increased anger. There is plenty of money in the economy, if spent wisely, to see most people benefit. Unfortunately, political campaigns aren't funded by firms like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan for goodwill.
Think about your own politicians. Policies such as a huge military expenditure and leniency with corporate tax avoidance before blaming the EU system or the immigrants in the UK.
TL;DR?
The EU has been flawed since inception but leaving it isn't going to solve any of the major problems.
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Well said
posted on 1/6/16
In. If you really think it through there aren't really any benefits to leaving
posted on 1/6/16
Love seeing someone post a really long moderate informed looking post then someone on the thread copy pastes it and makes it look like they were just about to get around to posting it themselves
posted on 1/6/16
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 12 minutes ago
In. If you really think it through there aren't really any benefits to leaving
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Of course there are.
really? said so
posted on 1/6/16
" It [leaving] will only allow our governments (which have made pretty poor decisions over the years) greater power where the NHS could potentially be further privatise because that's already begun. They've basically cut their budget, made them struggle with the lower finances and then used that to justify its privatisation because they aren't copping with it.."
This needs repeating. again and again.
if you DON'T want the Tories to finally kick our NHS into touch then you MUST vote remain. Don't be taken in by Cameron's rhetoric - he secretly wants us out of Europe in order to push through even more savage cuts, the likes of which have not been seen before.
posted on 1/6/16
Amusingly all those that think our European neighbours are cack, are the very one`s that spend all their holidays in their countries. They don`t like England that much to spend a week or so at Clacton propping up the so called ailing economy.
posted on 1/6/16
"Don't be taken in by Cameron's rhetoric - he secretly wants us out of Europe in order to push through even more savage cuts, the likes of which have not been seen before."
Sad thing is, as suggested earlier - he secretly doesn't give a flying feck. He wins either way, as do Boris et al. We really are mugs in this country, born to serve.
posted on 1/6/16
I wonder how many posts on this thread Sandy can actually see....
posted on 1/6/16
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posted on 1/6/16
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 29 minutes ago
In. If you really think it through there aren't really any benefits to leaving
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How about controlling your own destiny and having the ability of removing those in power when they mess up.
Lets not forget EU removed elected an government in Italy and the finance minister in Greece.
If i thought the EU could reform itself i would be tempted to vote to stay in.
Sadly it has proven itself incapable of reform and is becoming more undemocratic the longer it goes on.
For 40 years its been moving the parliament from Brussels to strasbourg at a cost of 150mil a year.Everyone in brussels agrees its crazy but its in the treaty so can't be changed.
The EU is using Trilogues more and more to push regulation through,so we end up with a massive democratic deficit and a massive surplus of bureaucracy
posted on 1/6/16
Done this debate to death on several threads, so I am going with the simple.....
OUT
posted on 1/6/16
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posted on 1/6/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 1/6/16
Why would Nigel Farage have any say?
We have at least 2yrs to wind it down after a vote - probably 3 in all likelihood - then we have a General Election where you can pick who determines your future
posted on 1/6/16
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posted on 1/6/16
Vote leave 😊
posted on 1/6/16
"For 40 years its been moving the parliament from Brussels to strasbourg at a cost of 150mil a year.Everyone in brussels agrees its crazy but its in the treaty so can't be changed."
Everyone agrees this is a mental state of affairs, but like most things in law and politics, no-one seems to query why is costs quite so much to do it.
Most of us need to turn up to a different office now and then, maybe even a different country - surely we manage to achieve this without quite so much expense.
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