comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 32 minutes ago
Our goods are currently cheaper for EU citizens to buy -enough to swallow even a 10% tariff and still be cheaper than before the Brexit vote

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What goods are they then? Be a dear and name a dozen.
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Why do you feel the need to be a condescending idiot on this thread? Are you sleeping with MUDD?

it's a simple enough question, why are you getting uptight at me asking that of him?

By your standards, are you sleeping with him? Stop being so over-protective and let him answer whenever he can.

Be a dear and name a dozen.
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Do you speak to other blokes like that in 'real life'? Or are you being condescending?

Over-protective again Term, are you doubting anywhere near a dozen can be named?

"With a 10% tariff on top of that it may well be that it is cheaper to look elsewhere, especially with trade deals in the pipeline."

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In the pipeline?!

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 7 hours, 35 minutes ago
Our goods are currently cheaper for EU citizens to buy -enough to swallow even a 10% tariff and still be cheaper than before the Brexit vote

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What goods are they then? Be a dear and name a dozen.
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Are you implying we sell nothing?

https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/

About 44% of UK exports in goods and services went to other countries in the EU in 2015—£220 billion out of £510 billion total exports.

That share has been declining, because exports to other countries have been increasing at a faster rate.

The European Commission itself says that “over the next ten to 15 years, 90% of world demand will be generated outside Europe”.

53% of our imports into the UK came from other countries in the EU in 2015. That proportion hasn’t changed that much over the past 16 years.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/13/its-hard-brexit-or-no-brexit-at-all-says-eu-council-president?CMP=fb_gu

Tusk said the leave campaign and its “Take back control” slogan showed the UK wanted to be free of EU law while rejecting free movement of people and contributions to the EU budget.

“This approach has definitive consequences, both for the position of the UK government and for the whole process of negotiations,” he said. “Regardless of magic spells, this means a de facto will to radically loosen relations with the EU – something that goes by the name of hard Brexit.”

Mudd

What is your opinion on the Scottish referendum?

Are you sympathetic to Scottish independence?

I think the Scots have a right to go their own way as they voted to stay in Europe but are being forced out by little uninformed englanders

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 7 hours, 35 minutes ago
Our goods are currently cheaper for EU citizens to buy -enough to swallow even a 10% tariff and still be cheaper than before the Brexit vote

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What goods are they then? Be a dear and name a dozen.
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Are you implying we sell nothing?

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Ok if you can't name a dozen, try half a dozen..

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Pearls, gems, precious metals and coins: £58.5bn (18 per cent of total exports)
Machinery: $70bn (13%)
Mineral fuels including oil: £42.3bn (11.5 per cent)
Vehicles excluding trains and streetcars: £29.8bn
Pharmaceutical products: £19.4bn (six per cent)
Electronic equipment: £18.6bn (5.8 per cent)
Optical, technical and medical apparatus: £11.1bn
Aircraft and spacecraft: £10.5bn (3.3 per cent)
Organic chemicals: £7.6bn (2.4 per cent)
Plastics: £7.2bn (2.2 per cent)

Not trying to jump in on an argument here, but a quick google search gives the above. Genuine question, where does this opinion that the UK has nothing to sell come from?

As I admit, that was a google search, so I'm not going to pretend to be an expert. One area I do understand however is plastics, the British plastic industry huge, strong and growing. This is a key area where as people have mentioned, a drop in the pound does make us more attractive to other countries. My company resells wholesale plastic materials and already we're turning away from some of our current suppliers in Italy & Poland and look to increase supply from the UK and, of course, Asia. However, we have also seen demand as a reseller begin to increase at an accelerated rate with our exports.

To put it as black and white as "we have nothing to sell", from my point of view is ignorant and uninformed.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 7 hours, 35 minutes ago
Our goods are currently cheaper for EU citizens to buy -enough to swallow even a 10% tariff and still be cheaper than before the Brexit vote

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What goods are they then? Be a dear and name a dozen.
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Are you implying we sell nothing?

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Ok if you can't name a dozen, try half a dozen..
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Why om Earth would I need to do that when the facts are out there already?

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
I think the Scots have a right to go their own way as they voted to stay in Europe but are being forced out by little uninformed englanders

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But the public are idiots, and it is a referendum being callled for by nasty old Nationalists.

I thought trade was your thing. What would happen to the 80% of Scottish trade that is done with England once the EU put punishing tariffs on everything?

Every scare story about Britain leaving the EU is magnified for Scotland leaving the Union, yet you have polar views of both.

And you had the neck to say Dot had me in a corner over Scottish independence when I am all for them having a vote

Ronalvinho..

Pearls, gems, precious metals and coins: £58.5bn (18 per cent of total exports)

You what? Are you sure these are produced in the U.K and it just the sales figures from companies such as Anglo American that are headquartered in the U.K.?

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 hours, 58 minutes ago
Over-protective again Term, are you doubting anywhere near a dozen can be named?
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Why not answer a question yourself? Why do you feel the need to be so condescending? I'm not trying to 'protect' anyone, just curious why you're acting so insecure?

Pearls, gems, precious metals and coins: £58.5bn (18 per cent of total exports)
Machinery: $70bn (13%)
Mineral fuels including oil: £42.3bn (11.5 per cent)
Vehicles excluding trains and streetcars: £29.8bn
Pharmaceutical products: £19.4bn (six per cent)
Electronic equipment: £18.6bn (5.8 per cent)
Optical, technical and medical apparatus: £11.1bn
Aircraft and spacecraft: £10.5bn (3.3 per cent)
Organic chemicals: £7.6bn (2.4 per cent)
Plastics: £7.2bn (2.2 per cent)

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Also, and this is the point, those figures of products sold - can you then advise the % of those that are sold to Europe?

For example of all the £29.8bn vehicles sold, about 67% of them are to the EU.

You can only sell to people that can afford to buy. The only reason the rest of the word are clamouring for favourable trade deals is so that they can sell what they produce cheaper than if laden with EU regulations on things like quality and safety standards.

And for you term, I was asking him what we would be selling to the rest of the world. As I would actually like to know.
He seems quite sure that we would be selling to the rest of the world (which we do already) on a far larger scale, so, I'd like him to name a few things that we would sell.

Then why not just ask the question? Some of you are trying to make out on this thread that you're on such a superior intellectual level to us stupid 'Brixiteers', yet for some reason feel the need to try belittling us. You're all acting like a bunch of nursery kids who can't get their own way. Frankly, it's becoming beyond pathetic, and a lot of you now have zero credibility. Grow up.

Okay then, if it would help answer the question, HRH Ledley, what produced by us in the U.K. would we sell to the rest of the world in larger quantities that they could easily afford to buy from us?

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 18 minutes ago
Okay then, if it would help answer the question, HRH Ledley, what produced by us in the U.K. would we sell to the rest of the world in larger quantities that they could easily afford to buy from us?
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What relevance does it have to my initial point?
(Below for your reference )

My point was a weaker pound means punitive export tariffs could be swallowed at our end for trade WITHIN the EU, whereas tariffs and a srong Euro could make us look elsewhere for goods we currently import from the EU

You mention car manufacturing. Even if ALL parts came from Europe, parts are not the entire cost of making a car - only between 20-30% it is estimated. With a punitive tariff of 10% on imports it would only put 2-3% on the total manufacture cost. Again, even with a further 10% tariff on exporting them it would mean a car is cheaper in € now than it was pre vote.

I will humour you though.....it is widely accepted that 45% of our exports go to Europe?

Where do the other 55% go? I assume it is another planet altogether as it is impossible to sell to the rest of the world.

A weaker pound surely strenghtens our selling power, and any further favourable trade terms would add to this.




* MY INITIAL POINT *
The weak pound actually strengthens our hand in my opinion.

Our goods are currently cheaper for EU citizens to buy -enough to swallow even a 10% tariff and still be cheaper than before the Brexit vote.

EU goods coming here are dearer though. With a 10% tariff on top of that it may well be that it is cheaper to look elsewhere, especially with trade deals in the pipeline. I can see the German car manufacturers looking on nervously

I hope that helps

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago

The only reason the rest of the word are clamouring for favourable trade deals is so that they can sell what they produce cheaper than if laden with EU regulations on things like quality and safety standards.

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Any legit evidence to back this up?

The former Governor of the Bank of England on the news the other night had the last word.

Falling pound good, we have been trying to get the pound down for the last three years.

It's taken Brexit to do it.

So all you amateur economists what do you say to that.

My holiday will be more expensive and my foie grai.

Go to Blackpool and have a sausage.

Scottish referendum.

Fish Face is just politically posturing for her conference.

Scotland out of the union would also be out of the EU and so would have to apply to join in the intervening time they would go backrupt without the support they recive from the English tax payer.

She knows this as do most Scots.

Any way who in the world cares what the leader of a regional council thinks about anything.