comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Also all of EU law is now on the statute books of the UK, again, countering the "we will make our own laws" rhetoric.
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You conveniently missed the bit where it was stated we can remove any one of those laws whenever we want to. There will be a period of assessment, where it will be decided which laws we want to keep. It's common sense.

We can't discard any of the EU laws until we leave anyway. So what are you going on about rhetoric for?
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Given that by-and-large our MEPs - notwithstanding party political affiliation - backed the overwhelming majority of EU legislation, and that the overwhelming majority of it is sensible and useful, we'll see very little of it repealed.

comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Also all of EU law is now on the statute books of the UK, again, countering the "we will make our own laws" rhetoric.
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You conveniently missed the bit where it was stated we can remove any one of those laws whenever we want to. There will be a period of assessment, where it will be decided which laws we want to keep. It's common sense.

We can't discard any of the EU laws until we leave anyway. So what are you going on about rhetoric for?
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Given that by-and-large our MEPs - notwithstanding party political affiliation - backed the overwhelming majority of EU legislation, and that the overwhelming majority of it is sensible and useful, we'll see very little of it repealed.
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If that is the case, then so be it.

However, if we wish to we can, which is the point.

We are not bound by any future ones either

Can mudd not respect the democrstic wishes of working and middle class brit voters, without demonising and lecturing us plebs?😀

comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 51 minutes ago
Can mudd not respect the democrstic wishes of working and middle class brit voters, without demonising and lecturing us plebs?😀

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Says the muppet who was having a go saying citizens want the country to fail - demonising remain voters.. jeez

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 51 minutes ago
Can mudd not respect the democrstic wishes of working and middle class brit voters, without demonising and lecturing us plebs?😀

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Says the muppet who was having a go saying citizens want the country to fail - demonising remain voters.. jeez
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Some want us to fail, for," told you so"purposes.

Remainers were angry losers, callng us racist bigots, etc

Right(!) because that means everyone is a winner right?

Seems as though it's the Brexiters that are hell bent on ignoring advice of experts or even recent experience to give the EU a bloody nose, for what?

Really - for what?

Bendier bananas.

Or straighter ones.

Whichever ones the EU dislikes more really.

There is some other stuff too. But no one really knows what.

Or why.

Bananas though. Yep.

Remainers were angry losers, callng us racist bigots, etc
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Dont think its that exactly, I just think the remainers think you brexit supporters are just a bit dim.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 8 hours, 34 minutes ago
Right(!) because that means everyone is a winner right?

Seems as though it's the Brexiters that are hell bent on ignoring advice of experts or even recent experience to give the EU a bloody nose, for what?

Really - for what?
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Good to see some fresh, new points being made. I was getting concerned that this article was stale.....

comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 15 minutes ago
Remainers were angry losers, callng us racist bigots, etc
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Dont think its that exactly, I just think the remainers think you brexit supporters are just a bit dim.
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Rather that, than a petulant child having a tantrum that won't stop until the result is somehow magically reversed. Time to grow up people.

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comment by rossobianchi - Rock the Pogbah (U17054)
posted 15 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
Also all of EU law is now on the statute books of the UK, again, countering the "we will make our own laws" rhetoric.
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You conveniently missed the bit where it was stated we can remove any one of those laws whenever we want to. There will be a period of assessment, where it will be decided which laws we want to keep. It's common sense.

We can't discard any of the EU laws until we leave anyway. So what are you going on about rhetoric for?
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Given that by-and-large our MEPs - notwithstanding party political affiliation - backed the overwhelming majority of EU legislation, and that the overwhelming majority of it is sensible and useful, we'll see very little of it repealed.
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Laws we voted in support of 96% of the time.

You know, taking back control

You know the funniest thing, they continued to scare people about Turkey but forgot to tell them we could veto Turkey's membership just like we vetoed tariffs on Chinese steel

A sovereign decision taking to appease China at the expense of the British worker

Veto by, you guessed it, that great champion of the British worker and MEP, Monsieur Farage

Then, brexiteers wonder why we think they are dim

Back to steel

Remind me.....in the EU, are we allowed to give state aid to Briish Steel if we wish?

German and Spanish steel is cheaper than UK steel....a tariff on Chinese steel would just mean importing it at a higher price from another foregn country, not helping British steel

We are allowed to help out industries, we did it with the banking sector.

A tariff on Chinese steel would have benefited our steel industry except you believe even cheaper still than the German and Spanish ones help British steel companies.

So you admit that other countries in Europe produce goods way cheaper than we do?

Fascinating.

Pound divebombing...

Hate crime rises by 41% in the month following the vote...

Scottish govt seeking a second independence referendum...

Brexit - it keeps getting better

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 4 hours, 9 minutes ago
We are allowed to help out industries, we did it with the banking sector.

A tariff on Chinese steel would have benefited our steel industry except you believe even cheaper still than the German and Spanish ones help British steel companies.

So you admit that other countries in Europe produce goods way cheaper than we do?

Fascinating.
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With a cheap pound perhaps not

Mudd

Do you think we are allowed to use state aid to prop industries up?

Maybr you should get on to the EU and let them know

http://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/overview/index_en.html


Why control State aid?
A company which receives government support gains an advantage over its competitors. Therefore, the Treaty generally prohibits State aid unless it is justified by reasons of general economic development. To ensure that this prohibition is respected and exemptions are applied equally across the European Union, the European Commission is in charge of ensuring that State aid complies with EU rules.

What is State aid?
State aid is defined as an advantage in any form whatsoever conferred on a selective basis to undertakings by national public authorities. Therefore, subsidies granted to individuals or general measures open to all enterprises are not covered by this prohibition and do not constitute State aid (examples include general taxation measures or employment legislation).

To be State aid, a measure needs to have these features:

there has been an intervention by the State or through State resources which can take a variety of forms (e.g. grants, interest and tax reliefs, guarantees, government holdings of all or part of a company, or providing goods and services on preferential terms, etc.);
the intervention gives the recipient an advantage on a selective basis, for example to specific companies or industry sectors, or to companies located in specific regions
competition has been or may be distorted;
the intervention is likely to affect trade between Member States.
Despite the general prohibition of State aid, in some circumstances government interventions is necessary for a well-functioning and equitable economy. Therefore, the Treaty leaves room for a number of policy objectives for which State aid can be considered compatible. The legislation stipulates these exemptions. The laws are regularly reviewed to improve their efficiency and to respond to the European Councils' calls for less but better targeted State aid to boost the European economy. The Commission adopts new legislation is adopted in close cooperation with the Member States.

How is State aid verified?
The European Commission has strong investigative and decision-making powers. At the heart of these powers lies the notification procedure which -except in certain instances- the Member States have to follow.

The 2013 revision of the State aid Procedural Regulation introduced the possibility of conducting State aid sector inquiries, which was previously only possible as part of Antitrust and Merger control. State aid sector inquiries can be launched in situations where State aid measures may distort competition in several Member States, or where existing aid measures are no longer compatible with the regulatory framework.

Read about the procedures the Commission follows in its investigation.

Aid measures can only be implemented after approval by the Commission. Moreover, the Commission has the power to recover incompatible State aid.

Three Commission Directorates-General carry out State aid control: Fisheries (for the production, processing and marketing of fisheries and aquaculture products), Agriculture (for the production, processing and marketing of agricultural products), and Competition for all other sectors.

Companies and consumers in the European Union are also important players who may trigger investigations by lodging complaints with the Commission. Furthermore, the Commission invites interested parties to submit comments through the Official Journal of the European Union when it has doubts about the compatibility of a proposed aid measure and opens a formal investigation procedure.

Transparency
As of 1 July 2016 the new transparency requirements for state aid enter into force and become mandatory based on Article 9 and annex III of GBER, the corresponding provisions of FIBER and ABER, and where provided for in notifications and decisions.

The state aid transparency public search gives access to state aid individual award data provided by Member States in compliance with the European transparency requirements for state aid. Citizens and companies can easily access information about awarded aid: name of the beneficiary, amount, location, sector and objective.

The purpose of the transparency requirements is to promote accountability of granting authorities and to reduce asymmetries on the market for state aid. Complementary information on all authorised state aid in the EU, including information in relation to the transparency requirement, can be found in the database of competition cases (ISEF registry of the European Commission)

comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
Mudd

Do you think we are allowed to use state aid to prop industries up?

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There are ways around the regulations

A good way to save our industry would have been not to Veto the tariffs though.

Oh well

Haven't been on here a while. Glad to see the discussion is still stuck on Tata Steel...

Blame Mudd for that....

Impossible to subsidise our own steel, or to ensure it is used for government projects, without falling foul of the EU.

This will be a tabula rasa for our future governments. If those that want Corbyn in get him, he will have more power to do such things

Indeed, though I've long since given up caring about Brexit or any of its political ramifications - life will go on regardless!

The weak pound actually strengthens our hand in my opinion.

Our goods are currently cheaper for EU citizens to buy -enough to swallow even a 10% tariff and still be cheaper than before the Brexit vote.

EU goods coming here are dearer though. With a 10% tariff on top of that it may well be that it is cheaper to look elsewhere, especially with trade deals in the pipeline. I can see the German car manufacturers looking on nervously

Our goods are currently cheaper for EU citizens to buy -enough to swallow even a 10% tariff and still be cheaper than before the Brexit vote

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What goods are they then? Be a dear and name a dozen.

I can see the German car manufacturers looking on nervously

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Why? You do know that between 60% - 70% of components for cars made in the U.K. come from the EU.

Costs for those components will increase for U.K. manufacturers.

Like most brexiters, the wider ramifications like this haven't been considered