And yet they still do have to abide by certain EU rules and regulation-without having any say in them.
Again, I would suggest that the areas you've outlined are due to better governance by their elected officials, rather than anything to with the EU.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
And yet they still do have to abide by certain EU rules and regulation-without having any say in them.
Again, I would suggest that the areas you've outlined are due to better governance by their elected officials, rather than anything to with the EU.
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Which EU rules ?
Undoubtedly better governance is part of it. But bei g outside the EU has allowed them to have trade deals with the likes of China that neither the EU or Britain could barter for itself within the EU. Theyre inextricably linked. Although undoutedly Switzerland is a far less politically run country than the UK because it is heavily private sector based.
Read the link-if they don't abide by the regulations that are agreed on, the trade deal ends. Same with the free movement of people.
Trade deals are being negotiated-now we have to try and negotiate more deals, with a lower market.
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 37 seconds ago
You expect the EU to offer the UK favourable terms but I expect the EU will be wanting to deter any other countries seeking to leave.
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you think BMW 9or any other EU business) will want to restrict sales
Really?
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 37 seconds ago
You expect the EU to offer the UK favourable terms but I expect the EU will be wanting to deter any other countries seeking to leave.
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you think BMW 9or any other EU business) will want to restrict sales
Really?
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Members of the EU have already came out and said to get a move on-they want negotiations to start now and get it done with.
And you keep making the same point-that other countries either won't want to trade with us deliberately or now saying restrict sales. They'll want a deal that favours them. They have a market of 500 million? We have about 80 million? I think they hold the upper hand here.
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comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leave campaign lobbied for Brexit-and have now came out and said there's no rush to invoke article 50.
They've went into this with no plan and no idea what to do if they won.
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 37 seconds ago
You expect the EU to offer the UK favourable terms but I expect the EU will be wanting to deter any other countries seeking to leave.
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you think BMW 9or any other EU business) will want to restrict sales
Really?
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The decisions will be made by politicians not by BMW.
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you think????
who advises these politicians
BMW and the likes will not lose a single sale over this.
If the economies of the remaining EU countries gets worse then the whole ting will collapse
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 37 seconds ago
You expect the EU to offer the UK favourable terms but I expect the EU will be wanting to deter any other countries seeking to leave.
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you think BMW 9or any other EU business) will want to restrict sales
Really?
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Members of the EU have already came out and said to get a move on-they want negotiations to start now and get it done with.
And you keep making the same point-that other countries either won't want to trade with us deliberately or now saying restrict sales. They'll want a deal that favours them. They have a market of 500 million? We have about 80 million? I think they hold the upper hand here.
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I don't think I said any of that
Did you perhaps reply to the wrong post
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leave campaign lobbied for Brexit-and have now came out and said there's no rush to invoke article 50.
They've went into this with no plan and no idea what to do if they won.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly no defined plan.
I don't really think they thought they would win
No-you did say about restricting sales-I've quoted you directly. I've seen you comment on other threads about how others are implying that the EU won't want to trade-which hasn't been said.
My point is that now the decision has been made, they want us to go now. Trigger the 2 years notice and it's been on the news that the member states have said no extensions to this. They've been quoted as saying it will not be amicable. Doesn't sound like they want to do is any favours.
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No-you did say about restricting sales-I've quoted you directly. I've seen you comment on other threads about how others are implying that the EU won't want to trade-which hasn't been said
--
Eh
Ive consistently said the opposite FFS
Read the quote again....slowly this time
==
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leave campaign lobbied for Brexit-and have now came out and said there's no rush to invoke article 50.
They've went into this with no plan and no idea what to do if they won.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly no defined plan.
I don't really think they thought they would win
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They probably didn't, but they could at least have made some plans. And if they haven't, then it kinda makes a bit of a mockery of the people that voted for them. They've enticed people to vote for them with a view of a utopian British society-and they've no idea how to progress it.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leave campaign lobbied for Brexit-and have now came out and said there's no rush to invoke article 50.
They've went into this with no plan and no idea what to do if they won.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly no defined plan.
I don't really think they thought they would win
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They probably didn't, but they could at least have made some plans. And if they haven't, then it kinda makes a bit of a mockery of the people that voted for them. They've enticed people to vote for them with a view of a utopian British society-and they've no idea how to progress it.
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time will tell I guess.
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 40 seconds ago
No-you did say about restricting sales-I've quoted you directly. I've seen you comment on other threads about how others are implying that the EU won't want to trade-which hasn't been said
--
Eh
Ive consistently said the opposite FFS
Read the quote again....slowly this time
==
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I did. You've implied that the EU will bend over for us in trade deals, and ridiculed others for suggesting otherwise.
Where I said the part about restricting sales, I meant that you were questioning other posters stating that by implementing trade deals it would be restrictive-not that you were saying that there would be a restricting of sales.
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ask yourself this.Which is the greater priority for the EU project - keeping countries inside the EU or sales of BMW cars to the UK?
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BMW is one of many though
The whole thing will collapse if they miss out on sales
They will keep fek all countries in if they restrict what is a big market for its members.
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leave campaign lobbied for Brexit-and have now came out and said there's no rush to invoke article 50.
They've went into this with no plan and no idea what to do if they won.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly no defined plan.
I don't really think they thought they would win
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They probably didn't, but they could at least have made some plans. And if they haven't, then it kinda makes a bit of a mockery of the people that voted for them. They've enticed people to vote for them with a view of a utopian British society-and they've no idea how to progress it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
time will tell I guess.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really. Time has already told. They could have outlined their plans today. They should have outlined their plans and a timetable in the lead up to the vote. We have now went down a path on a wing and a prayer.
I did. You've implied that the EU will bend over for us in trade deals, and ridiculed others for suggesting otherwise.
==
They will deal with us in a business like manner as they do with all other non EU countries
==
Where I said the part about restricting sales, I meant that you were questioning other posters stating that by implementing trade deals it would be restrictive-not that you were saying that there would be a restricting of sales.
==
I still don't know what this means
So I will agree if it shuts you up .
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
the last line was a joke FFS <OK>
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comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 4 minutes ago
No-you did say about restricting sales-I've quoted you directly. I've seen you comment on other threads about how others are implying that the EU won't want to trade-which hasn't been said.
My point is that now the decision has been made, they want us to go now. Trigger the 2 years notice and it's been on the news that the member states have said no extensions to this. They've been quoted as saying it will not be amicable. Doesn't sound like they want to do is any favours.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They have no mechsnism to force it. Its upto the UK to invoke article 50. And it will be on our timescales irrespective of what the EU wants
Lets not forget this is a 2 way street. Thier is no doubt thr EU will want to & will continue to trade with the UK who import more than they export to the EU.
They will not raise barriers that are detrimebtal to their own economies. The most likely scenario for negotiations will be a Norway-type solution that will allow the free-movement of LABOUR only in return for maintaining exusting trade deals. Sovereignty of laws and free movement of EU citizens as a right will be revoked.
Back to the question of Switzerland also, im well aware of the rules they abide by. But its a two way street too. Switzerland allows free movement under Schengen but not free movement of labour. Switzerland uses a visa system for work and migration both for EU and non EU citizens
The different countries residents and the lobbying companies and businesses will dictate what happens as regards trade deals I'll guess. Not some jumped up faceless autocrats stating some kind of revenge tactics.
You think Merkel will allow all her exports to dry up to the UK when they are by far now the biggest contributer and won't be telling Juncker to cool his jets?
Wait and see. It's one day in.
Markets already recovering and currency back to what it was at the beginning of the week.
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ask yourself this.Which is the greater priority for the EU project - keeping countries inside the EU or sales of BMW cars to the UK?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BMW is one of many though
The whole thing will collapse if they miss out on sales
They will keep fek all countries in if they restrict what is a big market for its members.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are many including BMW that provide jobs in the UK.Are you suggesting that the UK can dictate terms to the EU? When it comes to trade negotiations there is no doubt who carries the bigger stick.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
LOOK THINK ABOUT IT
How do Norway or the Swiss or the Middle east or the far East or Australia or just about everyfrignwhere do business with the EU.
They manage this quite well.
The EU is no about to cut its nose off.
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posted on 24/6/16
And yet they still do have to abide by certain EU rules and regulation-without having any say in them.
Again, I would suggest that the areas you've outlined are due to better governance by their elected officials, rather than anything to with the EU.
posted on 24/6/16
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
And yet they still do have to abide by certain EU rules and regulation-without having any say in them.
Again, I would suggest that the areas you've outlined are due to better governance by their elected officials, rather than anything to with the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which EU rules ?
Undoubtedly better governance is part of it. But bei g outside the EU has allowed them to have trade deals with the likes of China that neither the EU or Britain could barter for itself within the EU. Theyre inextricably linked. Although undoutedly Switzerland is a far less politically run country than the UK because it is heavily private sector based.
posted on 24/6/16
Read the link-if they don't abide by the regulations that are agreed on, the trade deal ends. Same with the free movement of people.
Trade deals are being negotiated-now we have to try and negotiate more deals, with a lower market.
posted on 24/6/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 24/6/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 37 seconds ago
You expect the EU to offer the UK favourable terms but I expect the EU will be wanting to deter any other countries seeking to leave.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you think BMW 9or any other EU business) will want to restrict sales
Really?
posted on 24/6/16
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
posted on 24/6/16
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 37 seconds ago
You expect the EU to offer the UK favourable terms but I expect the EU will be wanting to deter any other countries seeking to leave.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you think BMW 9or any other EU business) will want to restrict sales
Really?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Members of the EU have already came out and said to get a move on-they want negotiations to start now and get it done with.
And you keep making the same point-that other countries either won't want to trade with us deliberately or now saying restrict sales. They'll want a deal that favours them. They have a market of 500 million? We have about 80 million? I think they hold the upper hand here.
posted on 24/6/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 24/6/16
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leave campaign lobbied for Brexit-and have now came out and said there's no rush to invoke article 50.
They've went into this with no plan and no idea what to do if they won.
posted on 24/6/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 37 seconds ago
You expect the EU to offer the UK favourable terms but I expect the EU will be wanting to deter any other countries seeking to leave.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you think BMW 9or any other EU business) will want to restrict sales
Really?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The decisions will be made by politicians not by BMW.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you think????
who advises these politicians
BMW and the likes will not lose a single sale over this.
If the economies of the remaining EU countries gets worse then the whole ting will collapse
posted on 24/6/16
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 37 seconds ago
You expect the EU to offer the UK favourable terms but I expect the EU will be wanting to deter any other countries seeking to leave.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
you think BMW 9or any other EU business) will want to restrict sales
Really?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Members of the EU have already came out and said to get a move on-they want negotiations to start now and get it done with.
And you keep making the same point-that other countries either won't want to trade with us deliberately or now saying restrict sales. They'll want a deal that favours them. They have a market of 500 million? We have about 80 million? I think they hold the upper hand here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think I said any of that
Did you perhaps reply to the wrong post
posted on 24/6/16
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leave campaign lobbied for Brexit-and have now came out and said there's no rush to invoke article 50.
They've went into this with no plan and no idea what to do if they won.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly no defined plan.
I don't really think they thought they would win
posted on 24/6/16
No-you did say about restricting sales-I've quoted you directly. I've seen you comment on other threads about how others are implying that the EU won't want to trade-which hasn't been said.
My point is that now the decision has been made, they want us to go now. Trigger the 2 years notice and it's been on the news that the member states have said no extensions to this. They've been quoted as saying it will not be amicable. Doesn't sound like they want to do is any favours.
posted on 24/6/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 24/6/16
No-you did say about restricting sales-I've quoted you directly. I've seen you comment on other threads about how others are implying that the EU won't want to trade-which hasn't been said
--
Eh
Ive consistently said the opposite FFS
Read the quote again....slowly this time
==
posted on 24/6/16
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leave campaign lobbied for Brexit-and have now came out and said there's no rush to invoke article 50.
They've went into this with no plan and no idea what to do if they won.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly no defined plan.
I don't really think they thought they would win
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They probably didn't, but they could at least have made some plans. And if they haven't, then it kinda makes a bit of a mockery of the people that voted for them. They've enticed people to vote for them with a view of a utopian British society-and they've no idea how to progress it.
posted on 24/6/16
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leave campaign lobbied for Brexit-and have now came out and said there's no rush to invoke article 50.
They've went into this with no plan and no idea what to do if they won.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly no defined plan.
I don't really think they thought they would win
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They probably didn't, but they could at least have made some plans. And if they haven't, then it kinda makes a bit of a mockery of the people that voted for them. They've enticed people to vote for them with a view of a utopian British society-and they've no idea how to progress it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
time will tell I guess.
posted on 24/6/16
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 40 seconds ago
No-you did say about restricting sales-I've quoted you directly. I've seen you comment on other threads about how others are implying that the EU won't want to trade-which hasn't been said
--
Eh
Ive consistently said the opposite FFS
Read the quote again....slowly this time
==
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I did. You've implied that the EU will bend over for us in trade deals, and ridiculed others for suggesting otherwise.
Where I said the part about restricting sales, I meant that you were questioning other posters stating that by implementing trade deals it would be restrictive-not that you were saying that there would be a restricting of sales.
posted on 24/6/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ask yourself this.Which is the greater priority for the EU project - keeping countries inside the EU or sales of BMW cars to the UK?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BMW is one of many though
The whole thing will collapse if they miss out on sales
They will keep fek all countries in if they restrict what is a big market for its members.
posted on 24/6/16
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 4 minutes ago
some folk voted to leave the UK
THIS MEANY LEAVING THE EU
No time scales for getting admission
No absolute we would even have met the criteria but if we did we were at the back
Strangely never mentioned or at least with no great concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Leave campaign lobbied for Brexit-and have now came out and said there's no rush to invoke article 50.
They've went into this with no plan and no idea what to do if they won.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly no defined plan.
I don't really think they thought they would win
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They probably didn't, but they could at least have made some plans. And if they haven't, then it kinda makes a bit of a mockery of the people that voted for them. They've enticed people to vote for them with a view of a utopian British society-and they've no idea how to progress it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
time will tell I guess.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really. Time has already told. They could have outlined their plans today. They should have outlined their plans and a timetable in the lead up to the vote. We have now went down a path on a wing and a prayer.
posted on 24/6/16
I did. You've implied that the EU will bend over for us in trade deals, and ridiculed others for suggesting otherwise.
==
They will deal with us in a business like manner as they do with all other non EU countries
==
Where I said the part about restricting sales, I meant that you were questioning other posters stating that by implementing trade deals it would be restrictive-not that you were saying that there would be a restricting of sales.
==
I still don't know what this means
So I will agree if it shuts you up .
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
the last line was a joke FFS <OK>
posted on 24/6/16
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 24/6/16
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 4 minutes ago
No-you did say about restricting sales-I've quoted you directly. I've seen you comment on other threads about how others are implying that the EU won't want to trade-which hasn't been said.
My point is that now the decision has been made, they want us to go now. Trigger the 2 years notice and it's been on the news that the member states have said no extensions to this. They've been quoted as saying it will not be amicable. Doesn't sound like they want to do is any favours.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They have no mechsnism to force it. Its upto the UK to invoke article 50. And it will be on our timescales irrespective of what the EU wants
Lets not forget this is a 2 way street. Thier is no doubt thr EU will want to & will continue to trade with the UK who import more than they export to the EU.
They will not raise barriers that are detrimebtal to their own economies. The most likely scenario for negotiations will be a Norway-type solution that will allow the free-movement of LABOUR only in return for maintaining exusting trade deals. Sovereignty of laws and free movement of EU citizens as a right will be revoked.
Back to the question of Switzerland also, im well aware of the rules they abide by. But its a two way street too. Switzerland allows free movement under Schengen but not free movement of labour. Switzerland uses a visa system for work and migration both for EU and non EU citizens
posted on 24/6/16
The different countries residents and the lobbying companies and businesses will dictate what happens as regards trade deals I'll guess. Not some jumped up faceless autocrats stating some kind of revenge tactics.
You think Merkel will allow all her exports to dry up to the UK when they are by far now the biggest contributer and won't be telling Juncker to cool his jets?
Wait and see. It's one day in.
Markets already recovering and currency back to what it was at the beginning of the week.
posted on 24/6/16
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
Ask yourself this.Which is the greater priority for the EU project - keeping countries inside the EU or sales of BMW cars to the UK?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
BMW is one of many though
The whole thing will collapse if they miss out on sales
They will keep fek all countries in if they restrict what is a big market for its members.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are many including BMW that provide jobs in the UK.Are you suggesting that the UK can dictate terms to the EU? When it comes to trade negotiations there is no doubt who carries the bigger stick.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
LOOK THINK ABOUT IT
How do Norway or the Swiss or the Middle east or the far East or Australia or just about everyfrignwhere do business with the EU.
They manage this quite well.
The EU is no about to cut its nose off.
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