comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 19 minutes ago
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
It simply does not, and would not work out like this.
This isn't like trying a different pub for the evening.
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The option to rejoin the eu would always be there.
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That is true but there would be costs associated with that, which currently dont apply to UK for being in EU
Thank gawd for the high court ruling.
At least now those that are supposed to govern for the good of the nation will be able to make an informed decision rather than act on what could have been a vote of whimsy.
EU here we stay!
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 19 minutes ago
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
It simply does not, and would not work out like this.
This isn't like trying a different pub for the evening.
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The option to rejoin the eu would always be there.
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I'd say, best case, it's going to take about 10 years for us to settle outside the EU. Best case.
Then your 5-odd years will pass, we'll say, "oh buggger this, we want back in".
I imagine it will then take, at least, another 10 years to get back in again. So a 25 year experiment. Cool.
Don't know about you, but thankfully I'll probably be dead by then.
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
--------
It's that easy is it?
FFS!
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Stretty
How do you think the UK economy would fare without access to the SM and customs union for five odd years?
Whilst not wishing to sound overdramatic it would grind to a halt. With no deal with the EU, and as (non EU) WTO member it would be an utter disaster.
That is why it is of utmost importance Brexit is handled correctly now.
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To be fair it is not that easy, firstly to join WTO members we would need to be a member. To do that we need to be observers, which means out of the EU first. Then and only then can we apply to become a member. Like the EU all members must agree for us to join.
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The UK are, and have been a WTO member since 1995.
However will need to re-join as a non-EU member and be ratified by the 165 (odd) members.
This however would (by some distance) be the most damaging outcome to the UK.
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My point exactly we will need to RE-JOIN and it still needs approval from other members. Which will take a while. Exactly like the EU.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 19 minutes ago
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
It simply does not, and would not work out like this.
This isn't like trying a different pub for the evening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The option to rejoin the eu would always be there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd say, best case, it's going to take about 10 years for us to settle outside the EU. Best case.
Then your 5-odd years will pass, we'll say, "oh buggger this, we want back in".
I imagine it will then take, at least, another 10 years to get back in again. So a 25 year experiment. Cool.
Don't know about you, but thankfully I'll probably be dead by then.
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more like 30 if not longer
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
--------
It's that easy is it?
FFS!
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Yes. The EU would welcome us back with open arms
If we wanted to go back in we would.
Personally not particually assd either way, I don't think it will be that bad if we leave, it's certainly not the appocolypse people think it is, nor do I think it would be bad if we stayed. I voted remain but we lost the vote and that's what a democracy is for.
Governments cannot just do as they please because they are in power, they work for us, nothing more. Taking decisions away from the people they work for is tyranny.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 minutes ago
Thank gawd for the high court ruling.
At least now those that are supposed to govern for the good of the nation will be able to make an informed decision rather than act on what could have been a vote of whimsy.
EU here we stay!
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dream on, this is a minor disruption because of a few narcissists that do not respect democracy, we will still leave the EU and article 50 will be triggered within the next 12 months. so much for your master plan
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 19 minutes ago
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
It simply does not, and would not work out like this.
This isn't like trying a different pub for the evening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The option to rejoin the eu would always be there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That is true but there would be costs associated with that, which currently dont apply to UK for being in EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is an utter fantasy. It would never happen in the short term. The continued disruption to the economy would deem the process to be completely detrimental.
Daily Mail headline One of the judges who blocked brexit is an openly gay ex olympic fencer
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Daily Mail headline One of the judges who blocked brexit is an openly gay ex olympic fencer
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Was it followed by the words 'Burn him, burn him!!!!!!'?
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Stretty
How do you think the UK economy would fare without access to the SM and customs union for five odd years?
Whilst not wishing to sound overdramatic it would grind to a halt. With no deal with the EU, and as (non EU) WTO member it would be an utter disaster.
That is why it is of utmost importance Brexit is handled correctly now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair it is not that easy, firstly to join WTO members we would need to be a member. To do that we need to be observers, which means out of the EU first. Then and only then can we apply to become a member. Like the EU all members must agree for us to join.
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The UK are, and have been a WTO member since 1995.
However will need to re-join as a non-EU member and be ratified by the 165 (odd) members.
This however would (by some distance) be the most damaging outcome to the UK.
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My point exactly we will need to RE-JOIN and it still needs approval from other members. Which will take a while. Exactly like the EU.
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It’s not that simply unfortunately.
As firstly the UK will have to renegotiate the relationship with the EU. Then dependent on the UK’s EU association (EEA, customs union/SM) they can then re-apply to the WTO. However the conditions of WTO membership will be determined by our EU relationship.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Stretty
How do you think the UK economy would fare without access to the SM and customs union for five odd years?
Whilst not wishing to sound overdramatic it would grind to a halt. With no deal with the EU, and as (non EU) WTO member it would be an utter disaster.
That is why it is of utmost importance Brexit is handled correctly now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair it is not that easy, firstly to join WTO members we would need to be a member. To do that we need to be observers, which means out of the EU first. Then and only then can we apply to become a member. Like the EU all members must agree for us to join.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK are, and have been a WTO member since 1995.
However will need to re-join as a non-EU member and be ratified by the 165 (odd) members.
This however would (by some distance) be the most damaging outcome to the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point exactly we will need to RE-JOIN and it still needs approval from other members. Which will take a while. Exactly like the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not that simply unfortunately.
As firstly the UK will have to renegotiate the relationship with the EU. Then dependent on the UK’s EU association (EEA, customs union/SM) they can then re-apply to the WTO. However the conditions of WTO membership will be determined by our EU relationship.
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agreed, which all this will take a while, so who do we trade with in the mean time
The swiss are cited as doing ok without being in the EU but people have not heard of the guillotine clause and free movement being a large part of that
This speculative fiction is all very laudable, like reading excerpts from a Robert Harris novel set in an alternative, dystopian future...
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 27 minutes ago
Daily Mail headline One of the judges who blocked brexit is an openly gay ex olympic fencer
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you've forgot to mention the other two judges - one of which founded a european law group that works towards the 'enhancement of european legal integration'.
comment by Planète des Singes - "We will come back stronger!"🎬🚀🌎💣🎇🙈🙉🙊🌏🗽 (U4158)
posted 5 minutes ago
This speculative fiction is all very laudable, like reading excerpts from a Robert Harris novel set in an alternative, dystopian future...
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What you advise people to discuss, or plan for, the future based on if not "speculative ficition"?
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Stretty
How do you think the UK economy would fare without access to the SM and customs union for five odd years?
Whilst not wishing to sound overdramatic it would grind to a halt. With no deal with the EU, and as (non EU) WTO member it would be an utter disaster.
That is why it is of utmost importance Brexit is handled correctly now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair it is not that easy, firstly to join WTO members we would need to be a member. To do that we need to be observers, which means out of the EU first. Then and only then can we apply to become a member. Like the EU all members must agree for us to join.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK are, and have been a WTO member since 1995.
However will need to re-join as a non-EU member and be ratified by the 165 (odd) members.
This however would (by some distance) be the most damaging outcome to the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point exactly we will need to RE-JOIN and it still needs approval from other members. Which will take a while. Exactly like the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not that simply unfortunately.
As firstly the UK will have to renegotiate the relationship with the EU. Then dependent on the UK’s EU association (EEA, customs union/SM) they can then re-apply to the WTO. However the conditions of WTO membership will be determined by our EU relationship.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
agreed, which all this will take a while, so who do we trade with in the mean time
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EU trade agreements will continue until the UK have formally exited. Probably around Q1 2019. Hopefully the EU will agree to some kind of transitional arrangement, so the UK can continue to benefit from EU markets.
If 'Brexit'® was a film it would be a darkly comic satire set in a 'dystopian future'™ where a dysfunctional Government of an unnamed - formerly prosperous nation state - crippled by a shambolic bureaucracy, finds itself caught in a perpetual cycle of legal challenges in an effort to negotiate an exit strategy from a treaty it had signed with a faceless, monolithic trading Federation that had assiduously used this treaty to exert control over this nation's legal and administrative processes in a covert attempt at seizing power and subsuming it's sovereignty.
This 'legislative paradox loop'™ will prove to have dire consequences for the country's society. The film will follow the fortunes of the Cameron's - a previously prosperous middle-class family - as we see them suffer the consequences of hyperinflation in a downward spiral of poverty, anarchy and personal tragedy.
It will be directed by Terry Gilliam, but in a classic case of art imitating life, like his film 'The Man Who Killed Don Quixote', 'Brexit'® will languish in development hell for decades....
....and he will make a documentary-style film using footage from the project that will be titled, 'Lost in Brussels'©
whether people voted to exit or remain isnt the main issue for me, for me its the fact that cameron has got away with it
The guy put the referendum on the table for a few years of power and then exits into the sunset
For example who holds the sovereign power? Is is the sitting government at the time, or parliament on the whole?
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That's a good point, question rather.
Also have to consider what mandate the conservatives and the prime minister have when May was not going to be prime minister at the last election.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 26 minutes ago
For example who holds the sovereign power? Is is the sitting government at the time, or parliament on the whole?
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That's a good point, question rather.
Also have to consider what mandate the conservatives and the prime minister have when May was not going to be prime minister at the last election.
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I will just point out again at this point that the PM voted to remain.
Redinthehead
This adjudication (if upheld by the Supreme Court) will ensure the government is accountable for its actions - in Parliament.
Leave/Remain, whatever, this is a good premise. As demonstrated by the Pound today, which rose as a result.
Absolutely, that's what we want parliament to do.. make the difficult, but in the end, correct decisions and run the country.
Forget chasing the popular vote, forget fluffy news stories, get on with the job they're supposed to do.
Unfortunately the Brexit decisions are far too important to be left deferred to the public, who were targeted to be swayed by masses of scaremongering and disinformation.
MP's have to take ownership of the situation.
What the hell is going on lads, gay judges banning Brexit, daily mail calling them enemies of the state?
Are you going or staying or what?
Sign in if you want to comment
Brexit AHHHHHH
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posted on 3/11/16
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 19 minutes ago
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
It simply does not, and would not work out like this.
This isn't like trying a different pub for the evening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The option to rejoin the eu would always be there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That is true but there would be costs associated with that, which currently dont apply to UK for being in EU
posted on 3/11/16
Thank gawd for the high court ruling.
At least now those that are supposed to govern for the good of the nation will be able to make an informed decision rather than act on what could have been a vote of whimsy.
EU here we stay!
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 19 minutes ago
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
It simply does not, and would not work out like this.
This isn't like trying a different pub for the evening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The option to rejoin the eu would always be there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd say, best case, it's going to take about 10 years for us to settle outside the EU. Best case.
Then your 5-odd years will pass, we'll say, "oh buggger this, we want back in".
I imagine it will then take, at least, another 10 years to get back in again. So a 25 year experiment. Cool.
Don't know about you, but thankfully I'll probably be dead by then.
posted on 3/11/16
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
--------
It's that easy is it?
FFS!
posted on 3/11/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Stretty
How do you think the UK economy would fare without access to the SM and customs union for five odd years?
Whilst not wishing to sound overdramatic it would grind to a halt. With no deal with the EU, and as (non EU) WTO member it would be an utter disaster.
That is why it is of utmost importance Brexit is handled correctly now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair it is not that easy, firstly to join WTO members we would need to be a member. To do that we need to be observers, which means out of the EU first. Then and only then can we apply to become a member. Like the EU all members must agree for us to join.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK are, and have been a WTO member since 1995.
However will need to re-join as a non-EU member and be ratified by the 165 (odd) members.
This however would (by some distance) be the most damaging outcome to the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point exactly we will need to RE-JOIN and it still needs approval from other members. Which will take a while. Exactly like the EU.
posted on 3/11/16
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 19 minutes ago
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
It simply does not, and would not work out like this.
This isn't like trying a different pub for the evening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The option to rejoin the eu would always be there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'd say, best case, it's going to take about 10 years for us to settle outside the EU. Best case.
Then your 5-odd years will pass, we'll say, "oh buggger this, we want back in".
I imagine it will then take, at least, another 10 years to get back in again. So a 25 year experiment. Cool.
Don't know about you, but thankfully I'll probably be dead by then.
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more like 30 if not longer
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
--------
It's that easy is it?
FFS!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. The EU would welcome us back with open arms
If we wanted to go back in we would.
Personally not particually assd either way, I don't think it will be that bad if we leave, it's certainly not the appocolypse people think it is, nor do I think it would be bad if we stayed. I voted remain but we lost the vote and that's what a democracy is for.
Governments cannot just do as they please because they are in power, they work for us, nothing more. Taking decisions away from the people they work for is tyranny.
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 13 minutes ago
Thank gawd for the high court ruling.
At least now those that are supposed to govern for the good of the nation will be able to make an informed decision rather than act on what could have been a vote of whimsy.
EU here we stay!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
dream on, this is a minor disruption because of a few narcissists that do not respect democracy, we will still leave the EU and article 50 will be triggered within the next 12 months. so much for your master plan
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Stretty - mr mourinho (U3123)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 19 minutes ago
"We live in a democracy, we should leave, if it goes to crap which it may well do have another referendum in five years to join back up and most will go for it."
It simply does not, and would not work out like this.
This isn't like trying a different pub for the evening.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The option to rejoin the eu would always be there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That is true but there would be costs associated with that, which currently dont apply to UK for being in EU
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is an utter fantasy. It would never happen in the short term. The continued disruption to the economy would deem the process to be completely detrimental.
posted on 3/11/16
Daily Mail headline One of the judges who blocked brexit is an openly gay ex olympic fencer
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
Daily Mail headline One of the judges who blocked brexit is an openly gay ex olympic fencer
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Was it followed by the words 'Burn him, burn him!!!!!!'?
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Stretty
How do you think the UK economy would fare without access to the SM and customs union for five odd years?
Whilst not wishing to sound overdramatic it would grind to a halt. With no deal with the EU, and as (non EU) WTO member it would be an utter disaster.
That is why it is of utmost importance Brexit is handled correctly now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair it is not that easy, firstly to join WTO members we would need to be a member. To do that we need to be observers, which means out of the EU first. Then and only then can we apply to become a member. Like the EU all members must agree for us to join.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK are, and have been a WTO member since 1995.
However will need to re-join as a non-EU member and be ratified by the 165 (odd) members.
This however would (by some distance) be the most damaging outcome to the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point exactly we will need to RE-JOIN and it still needs approval from other members. Which will take a while. Exactly like the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not that simply unfortunately.
As firstly the UK will have to renegotiate the relationship with the EU. Then dependent on the UK’s EU association (EEA, customs union/SM) they can then re-apply to the WTO. However the conditions of WTO membership will be determined by our EU relationship.
posted on 3/11/16
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Stretty
How do you think the UK economy would fare without access to the SM and customs union for five odd years?
Whilst not wishing to sound overdramatic it would grind to a halt. With no deal with the EU, and as (non EU) WTO member it would be an utter disaster.
That is why it is of utmost importance Brexit is handled correctly now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair it is not that easy, firstly to join WTO members we would need to be a member. To do that we need to be observers, which means out of the EU first. Then and only then can we apply to become a member. Like the EU all members must agree for us to join.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK are, and have been a WTO member since 1995.
However will need to re-join as a non-EU member and be ratified by the 165 (odd) members.
This however would (by some distance) be the most damaging outcome to the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point exactly we will need to RE-JOIN and it still needs approval from other members. Which will take a while. Exactly like the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not that simply unfortunately.
As firstly the UK will have to renegotiate the relationship with the EU. Then dependent on the UK’s EU association (EEA, customs union/SM) they can then re-apply to the WTO. However the conditions of WTO membership will be determined by our EU relationship.
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agreed, which all this will take a while, so who do we trade with in the mean time
posted on 3/11/16
The swiss are cited as doing ok without being in the EU but people have not heard of the guillotine clause and free movement being a large part of that
posted on 3/11/16
This speculative fiction is all very laudable, like reading excerpts from a Robert Harris novel set in an alternative, dystopian future...
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Zlatanariyan (U19849)
posted 27 minutes ago
Daily Mail headline One of the judges who blocked brexit is an openly gay ex olympic fencer
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you've forgot to mention the other two judges - one of which founded a european law group that works towards the 'enhancement of european legal integration'.
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Planète des Singes - "We will come back stronger!"🎬🚀🌎💣🎇🙈🙉🙊🌏🗽 (U4158)
posted 5 minutes ago
This speculative fiction is all very laudable, like reading excerpts from a Robert Harris novel set in an alternative, dystopian future...
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What you advise people to discuss, or plan for, the future based on if not "speculative ficition"?
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Number 1 unless we are number 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 (U15631)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Stretty
How do you think the UK economy would fare without access to the SM and customs union for five odd years?
Whilst not wishing to sound overdramatic it would grind to a halt. With no deal with the EU, and as (non EU) WTO member it would be an utter disaster.
That is why it is of utmost importance Brexit is handled correctly now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair it is not that easy, firstly to join WTO members we would need to be a member. To do that we need to be observers, which means out of the EU first. Then and only then can we apply to become a member. Like the EU all members must agree for us to join.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The UK are, and have been a WTO member since 1995.
However will need to re-join as a non-EU member and be ratified by the 165 (odd) members.
This however would (by some distance) be the most damaging outcome to the UK.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
My point exactly we will need to RE-JOIN and it still needs approval from other members. Which will take a while. Exactly like the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not that simply unfortunately.
As firstly the UK will have to renegotiate the relationship with the EU. Then dependent on the UK’s EU association (EEA, customs union/SM) they can then re-apply to the WTO. However the conditions of WTO membership will be determined by our EU relationship.
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agreed, which all this will take a while, so who do we trade with in the mean time
----------------------------------------------------------------------
EU trade agreements will continue until the UK have formally exited. Probably around Q1 2019. Hopefully the EU will agree to some kind of transitional arrangement, so the UK can continue to benefit from EU markets.
posted on 3/11/16
If 'Brexit'® was a film it would be a darkly comic satire set in a 'dystopian future'™ where a dysfunctional Government of an unnamed - formerly prosperous nation state - crippled by a shambolic bureaucracy, finds itself caught in a perpetual cycle of legal challenges in an effort to negotiate an exit strategy from a treaty it had signed with a faceless, monolithic trading Federation that had assiduously used this treaty to exert control over this nation's legal and administrative processes in a covert attempt at seizing power and subsuming it's sovereignty.
This 'legislative paradox loop'™ will prove to have dire consequences for the country's society. The film will follow the fortunes of the Cameron's - a previously prosperous middle-class family - as we see them suffer the consequences of hyperinflation in a downward spiral of poverty, anarchy and personal tragedy.
It will be directed by Terry Gilliam, but in a classic case of art imitating life, like his film 'The Man Who Killed Don Quixote', 'Brexit'® will languish in development hell for decades....
....and he will make a documentary-style film using footage from the project that will be titled, 'Lost in Brussels'©
posted on 3/11/16
whether people voted to exit or remain isnt the main issue for me, for me its the fact that cameron has got away with it
The guy put the referendum on the table for a few years of power and then exits into the sunset
posted on 3/11/16
For example who holds the sovereign power? Is is the sitting government at the time, or parliament on the whole?
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That's a good point, question rather.
Also have to consider what mandate the conservatives and the prime minister have when May was not going to be prime minister at the last election.
posted on 3/11/16
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 26 minutes ago
For example who holds the sovereign power? Is is the sitting government at the time, or parliament on the whole?
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That's a good point, question rather.
Also have to consider what mandate the conservatives and the prime minister have when May was not going to be prime minister at the last election.
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I will just point out again at this point that the PM voted to remain.
posted on 3/11/16
Redinthehead
This adjudication (if upheld by the Supreme Court) will ensure the government is accountable for its actions - in Parliament.
Leave/Remain, whatever, this is a good premise. As demonstrated by the Pound today, which rose as a result.
posted on 3/11/16
Absolutely, that's what we want parliament to do.. make the difficult, but in the end, correct decisions and run the country.
Forget chasing the popular vote, forget fluffy news stories, get on with the job they're supposed to do.
Unfortunately the Brexit decisions are far too important to be left deferred to the public, who were targeted to be swayed by masses of scaremongering and disinformation.
MP's have to take ownership of the situation.
posted on 4/11/16
What the hell is going on lads, gay judges banning Brexit, daily mail calling them enemies of the state?
Are you going or staying or what?
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