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The Labour Part have just spent the last 2 years fighting like Children rather than holding the Government to account

Let's hope the MP's get with the programme and stop trying to undermine their elected Leader focusing instead on stopping the Conservatives further ruining our country

"I just don't think it is right for the future of the UK."

Fair enough. Then you should I also accept that there are those of us who feel it is the right thing for the future of the UK

Accept, probably not. I'm just gonna have to deal with it.
Same way that I can't accept that one day I'll die. I'm just dealing with it

Gingernuts

Obviously respect your opinion but I have yet to ascertain what benefits there will be to the UK going forward?

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comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 7 minutes ago
The Labour Part have just spent the last 2 years fighting like Children rather than holding the Government to account

Let's hope the MP's get with the programme and stop trying to undermine their elected Leader focusing instead on stopping the Conservatives further ruining our country
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Who brought in the 'open door immigration policy'? Labour did.
Who brought in ATOS? Labour did.
Who led the country to war based on a lie? Labout did.
Who sold 58% of UKs gold reserves at below market value, while gold was at it's lowest price for 20 years? Labour did.

And yet it is the conservatives who are ruining the country?

I think you'll find this country was already fυcked by the time Labour left office.

comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 7 minutes ago
The Labour Part have just spent the last 2 years fighting like Children rather than holding the Government to account

Let's hope the MP's get with the programme and stop trying to undermine their elected Leader focusing instead on stopping the Conservatives further ruining our country
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Who brought in the 'open door immigration policy'? Labour did.
Who brought in ATOS? Labour did.
Who led the country to war based on a lie? Labout did.
Who sold 58% of UKs gold reserves at below market value, while gold was at it's lowest price for 20 years? Labour did.

And yet it is the conservatives who are ruining the country?

I think you'll find this country was already fυcked by the time Labour left office.
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Totally agree. All political parties have their problems but Labour spending money we dont have and plunging us further into debt is unacceptable imo. Their selling the gold below market value when prices had already started to rocket and spending money we didnt have in attempt to buy the next election, which they lost, has cost us all dearly. Hence that famous note left at the treasury saying there is no money left.

Whilst I despise this Tory government, given the task they are faced with, I don’t see any other party coping much better.

It’s not as if anyone else in the country has any experience of negotiating with the EU in any capacity.

Scotland want a new referendum now. Suits me fine. It will leave an even stronger pro-Brexit England and Wales.

I am gooner now

In what way do you believe the UK will be stronger?

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 1 day ago
Whilst I despise this Tory government, given the task they are faced with, I don’t see any other party coping much better.

It’s not as if anyone else in the country has any experience of negotiating with the EU in any capacity.
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To be fair, there are next to no politicians capable of negotiating around the details of the legislation, treaties and trade deals, macroeconomic policy, etc.; that'd be like asking them to agree the details of schematics for the circuitry in the new iPhone. These things are ludicrously complicated and detailed. The real work is, and always has been, done by SMEs or 'technocrats', if you like.

And now those who are best placed to do it are being told that they can't be involved in negotiations or offer advice on the grounds that they're not British, according to the LSE.

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-37590044

We have only a handful of people in the country with the requisite expertise to navigate the UK through key parts of these negotiations ensuring that we aren't double-shafted, and we're going to ignore them?

We have only a handful of people in the country with the requisite expertise to navigate the UK through key parts of these negotiations ensuring that we aren't double-shafted, and we're going to ignore them?
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Is Vaseline made by Uniliver? Might be worth to buy some now before the price increase.

rossobianchi



I understand there were over 800 specialised trade negotiators working on the CETA (Canada’s trade treaty with the EU) which has to date, taken seven years to negotiate. And still has to be ratified.

The US/EU TTIP trade negotiations were opened in 2006 – ongoing – similar number of specialised trade negotiators.

I also believe the UK have next to no specialised trade negotiators, (and the UK hasn’t negotiated a trade deal since the 70’s).

Still. Onwards we go...!

comment by IAWT... or do we? (U10012)
posted 17 minutes ago
We have only a handful of people in the country with the requisite expertise to navigate the UK through key parts of these negotiations ensuring that we aren't double-shafted, and we're going to ignore them?
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Is Vaseline made by Uniliver? Might be worth to buy some now before the price increase.
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 week ago
Stuart. At last a sensible discussion.

Yes I have seen some of the suggested tariffs.

What we see now is political posturing from certain EU nations who themselves are being questioned and threatened in some instances by their own populace. There is a long way to go until anything is settled and in between now and then there is market and investment reaction.

Wordplay from the French in particular is certainly not helping our economic circumstances but I don't see the same level of anger and willingness to inflict "punishment" from any of the others bar the Eastern block led by Poland.

There will eventually be an agreement and everyone will want to trade. What that will be not one of us here knows. How can we when the whole of Europe doesn't even know?

I like many others hear and read so much yet all we have done is mention a date and then the posturing starts all over again. It is what it is. It's what I voted for and I will accept the pain that goes with it because I do believe that the EU is a busted flush and whilst a common market was a founding principle we should all be working towards, it has morphed into some giant mess of nations who couldn't agree on the colour of sheite when it come to it.

I'm actually for freedom of movement and believe we will have to give way on this to reach some common ground. The border issues are of our own making and it's our own government we should be pointing the finger at, not Europe.

Yet we now have a number of nations with right wing nutters challenging the easy go status quo across all of Europe. We have some counties erecting fences and no go areas along their borders and we have some countries who will never ever be able to trade out of their debt.

Sorry but in my view that will always lead to a break up any day of the week and I'd rather it was done over a ballot box than in any other way.

Only time will tell how it will all pan out but I'm not going to start looking for a long drop from a high stool because of market reactions that mean I pay more in the interim.
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Been on holiday. Catching up.

This is the single best post I've seen on this site regarding Brexit. And I voted to to remain.

It is the first post out of hundreds on the subject that, had I read it before 23rd June, may have swayed my vote.