comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
"I hope it doesn't happen in my lifetime but I now feel that this country WILL be invaded probably by Russia or maybe even the French (with EU backing)."

What?

Invaded by the French with EU backing!!!!

Bloody hell.

All rational discussion has ended right here
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Why is my bullѕhit scenario any more absurd than anybody else's bullѕhit scenario?

OK, probably not the French, they will be manufacturing the white flags and selling them to us at an extortionate rate.

But I still believe the Russians will see UK as an easier target without EU membership. After all, many of the EU populace will see brexit as a kick in the teeth by UK and some may come out as very vocal against their armies coming to our aid against the bear.

Why do folks insist on using the term ‘Remoaners’ ?

We all are now ‘Brexiteers’ and even many Leave politicians have expressed serious concerns on the government’s handling, (or lack of) of the matter. I assume everyone wants the best future for their families?

Should we all therefore completely ignore the tasks ahead and consequences? Or just assume that a divided government, should be left/trusted to sort our futures clandestinely?

Keep telling yourselves it is only 'far right' groups voting for the likes of le penn. Germany are experiencing a mass exodus of voters from the left because of the policies imposed and not voted for by the people. It has happened in France with people wanting to live the way the French always have.
Just because it is not evenly reported there are tens of millions of sane caring people that don't want what is being force fed on them.
If your government has let you down nationally as the Labour Party did by allowing parts of Eastern Europe residency here 7 years before necessary just to pump up the vote or you are tired of the Etonian elite creaming top jobs after using politics as nothing more than a stepping stone you look for alternatives.

comment by bertrand small (U19359)
posted 4 minutes ago
What it has shown post vote is how those that wanted to stay have no real love for Britain as they stay up all night praying for economic disaster to prove that the minority were right.

and the European Union has already failed many countries when 92 percent of funding goes to the wealthier nations.
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I am not praying for economic disaster. It is happening without any 'divine' intervention against my wishes. I still have a mortgage to pay and a family to feed so why would I (or any other remainers) want economic disaster. As usual, a brexiter with his own special brand of bullѕhit.

Weren't the UK the 2nd wealthiest nation in the EU, now 3rd since brexit?
Surely then we were/are getting a large chunk of that 92%. That being the case, why would we want to throw all that away? Or is it that you're pulling figures out of your arѕe to try and get your bullѕhit argument across?

That should have read:
Weren't the UK the 2nd wealthiest nation in the EU, now 3rd since the brexit *vote*?

bertrand small

Regardless of the cause of the divisive elements in European politics, as I noted, in relation to the UK, the EU will put self-preservation ahead of trading relationships with the UK. The EU could comfortably absorb a loss of 2% of trade, (the total amount of EU exports to the UK).

I’m not so sure the UK economy could absorb a loss of circa 40% of EU exports however.

I find it bizarre that plenty of UKIP voters were seemingly outraged by the apparent lack of democracy in the EU, but were totally fine with only receiving on seat in the last general election despite having a 12.5% share of the vote, about a third of that of the Tories who won 329 seats.

Hooray for sovereignty.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why do folks insist on using the term ‘Remoaners’ ?

We all are now ‘Brexiteers’ and even many Leave politicians have expressed serious concerns on the government’s handling, (or lack of) of the matter. I assume everyone wants the best future for their families?

Should we all therefore completely ignore the tasks ahead and consequences? Or just assume that a divided government, should be left/trusted to sort our futures clandestinely?
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We have not left yet. There is zero evidence of war breaking out in Europe and economies fluctuate everywhere. We are in a great position to change the way decisions that are integral to our way of life are made without any interference from others with only their interests at heart. I cannot see why this is not what any country in Europe would want. Nobody has said it would be straightforward but with housing,health,education and elderly suffering greatly it is time for all our focus to be on the people of all nations who are already here.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 53 seconds ago
bertrand small

Regardless of the cause of the divisive elements in European politics, as I noted, in relation to the UK, the EU will put self-preservation ahead of trading relationships with the UK. The EU could comfortably absorb a loss of 2% of trade, (the total amount of EU exports to the UK).

I’m not so sure the UK economy could absorb a loss of circa 40% of EU exports however.

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If you have a product that people want at the right price do you honestly think we won't be selling it? Talk of tariffs being used are far fetched as you can imagine big German car firms welcoming tariffs on sales in Britain. What reason would the rest of ordinary people in Europe not want to purchase from Britain,it does not hold water plus the other trading doors already opening allow us a freedom to negotiate our own deals.

bertrand small

While I appreciate there has been a lot of (sometimes unwarranted) scaremongering, the economy is already starting to show signs of Brexit.

Yes we haven’t even left yet. The pound has been in sharp decline, which is having a knock on effect. Ie petrol is going up between 3/5p at the end of October. As oil is bought in dollars, and the pound is so weak, we’ll have to pay more for pretty much everything.

This is not a “fluctuation” but a direct result from Brexit, and May’s (amongst others) comments at the Tory PC the other week. Each and every time there has been a suggestion by the government that the UK will leave the single market the pound has fallen.

So when/if the UK does leave the SM, what do you think will happen to the value of the pound?

"We are in a great position to change the way decisions that are integral to our way of life are made without any interference from others with only their interests at heart."

Which intergral decisions are these?

comment by sᴉɥƃuǝlפ (U19365)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by bertrand small (U19359)
posted 4 minutes ago
What it has shown post vote is how those that wanted to stay have no real love for Britain as they stay up all night praying for economic disaster to prove that the minority were right.

and the European Union has already failed many countries when 92 percent of funding goes to the wealthier nations.
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I am not praying for economic disaster. It is happening without any 'divine' intervention against my wishes. I still have a mortgage to pay and a family to feed so why would I (or any other remainers) want economic disaster. As usual, a brexiter with his own special brand of bullѕhit.

Weren't the UK the 2nd wealthiest nation in the EU, now 3rd since brexit?
Surely then we were/are getting a large chunk of that 92%. That being the case, why would we want to throw all that away? Or is it that you're pulling figures out of your arѕe to try and get your bullѕhit argument across?
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Sadly people like you drag the country down. If you feel like this country can't survive governing itself then you are incredibly stupid as well as having severe anger issues often associated with hen pecked or past bullying issues. Typical lefty giving out how rubbish the country is while reaping all of the benefits no doubt.

comment by bertrand small (U19359)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 53 seconds ago
bertrand small

Regardless of the cause of the divisive elements in European politics, as I noted, in relation to the UK, the EU will put self-preservation ahead of trading relationships with the UK. The EU could comfortably absorb a loss of 2% of trade, (the total amount of EU exports to the UK).

I’m not so sure the UK economy could absorb a loss of circa 40% of EU exports however.

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If you have a product that people want at the right price do you honestly think we won't be selling it? Talk of tariffs being used are far fetched as you can imagine big German car firms welcoming tariffs on sales in Britain. What reason would the rest of ordinary people in Europe not want to purchase from Britain,it does not hold water plus the other trading doors already opening allow us a freedom to negotiate our own deals.
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This (amongst others) is a common misconception in regard to Brexit.

The UK will not be negotiating with Germany.

The UK will negotiate with the UE as a bloc. Goods leaving the EU (as per EU statute) are subject to tariffs. Regardless of Germany’s car business (and I imagine dissatisfaction) as an EU member they’ll have to comply with EU Law. Tariffs included.

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 24 seconds ago
"We are in a great position to change the way decisions that are integral to our way of life are made without any interference from others with only their interests at heart."

Which intergral decisions are these?
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Too many to list

comment by bertrand small (U19359)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 24 seconds ago
"We are in a great position to change the way decisions that are integral to our way of life are made without any interference from others with only their interests at heart."

Which intergral decisions are these?
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Too many to list
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Can you name a couple?

bertrand small

You are aware that the UK will have to retain/implement EU legislation going forward anyway?

If the UK wants to export to the EU, goods and services have to comply (be in accordance) with EU legislation.

As trade treaties are bilateral, (by design) the UK will have to retain/implement EU law without having any input into the legislation whatsoever.

Fail to see how this is ‘taking back control’ ?

WWSPD

That's just it. The noises coming from Merkel, Junker e al are that we will have to accept Freedom of Movement in order to trade with The EU. If we insist on immigration control then we won't be able to trade.

comment by Sömeday_693 - Elneny will be our salvation (U8892)
posted 2 minutes ago
I find it bizarre that plenty of UKIP voters were seemingly outraged by the apparent lack of democracy in the EU, but were totally fine with only receiving on seat in the last general election despite having a 12.5% share of the vote, about a third of that of the Tories who won 329 seats.

Hooray for sovereignty.
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Thats not sovereignty which it a state being able to govern itself. Your comment is about the electoral system. Do you want proportional representation?

And when we do leave the EU we will be opening up other markets to free trade. Canada, Australia, US, Asia, ertc will all be able to deal with us without the tariff the EU currently imposes so we will better placed for trade with them. We also import more from the EU than we export to the EU so they will be harming themselves if they make leaving difficult.

German car manufacturers have already told their government about being worried that they may not be able to cope with losing our trade and a lot of jobs are at risk. Then theres our car industry. I heard a spokesman being interviewed after the vote who said we export 70% of the cars manufactured here and 70% of the cars bought here are imported. Maybe we should just by all the cars made here, or maybe we'll buy more Japanese and less German cars in future.

Oh, I just noticed bertrands similar comment

comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by bertrand small (U19359)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CoutinhosHappyFeet (U18971)
posted 24 seconds ago
"We are in a great position to change the way decisions that are integral to our way of life are made without any interference from others with only their interests at heart."

Which intergral decisions are these?
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Too many to list
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Can you name a couple?
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https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what-proportion-influenced-eu/

This idea that the UK is really important is far fetched. European Car makers in particular have the relatively new markets of China, India and others opening up to them. They won't be so bothered if they sell a few less cars in the UK. The fact is however that they could charge whatever they liked and we'd still have to buy them as we don't have our own car companies making British cars!

We are a net importer not exporter, we don't make lots of stuff so we need access to goods from foreign companies and we'll have to pay the price whatever it is. Some people seem to seriously believe that we are still the British 'Empire' and everything will be great because we make stuff...we don't! Reality is that we'll probably just be forgotten as companies explore other markets

The EU cannot give the UK a soft Brexit deal because they know long term that will undermine the EU itself. You can't have a major country pulling out and getting what they want or everyone will start doing it

However it works out we will be worse off. And forget the ability to control immigration because we simply won't be able to. We do a poor job now of controlling non EU immigration to this country when we have full sovereignty to do so. The Home Office is already over run and failing to deal with non EU immigration now so what on earth do people think will suddenly happen if we added the EU countries to that equation

It will be even more chaos and even less control of our borders. Its a complete joke. The Dum Dums have been sold and wilfully brought a 3 legged donkey from the Three Amigos, Gove, Johnson and Farage

This has now left the Conservatives with the opportunity to attack peoples civil rights. They aren't the party of the people and many people are going to suffer as a result of this. Will there be riots in the streets when the Dum Dums start having to pay & get separate health insurance once the NHS goes?

Thats where we are headed. Well done Britain

Respectable Truth

CoutinhosHappyFeet

The UK will still be able to trade with the EU, however all goods and services would be subject to trade tarriffs. i.e cars are subject 10% tarrifs.

Even if Germany wanted to waive tarrifs, there's no way the bloc would agree to it, (French, Spanish, Italian, car manufacturers I imagine wouldn't be too happy).

I also love this notion that the UK can open up new trading relationships. Which in theory is fine. But trade agreements take years to negotiate, and the complexities of which are eye watering (google CETA and TTIP trade agreements).

The UK hasn’t negotiated a trade deal since the 70’s. And has no one qualified to do so. Thankfully the government has started the recruitment process, bringing in highly paid EU trade negotiators…

What about the countries that have existing deals with the EU single market based on the fact that it contains the UK? Are those deals still binding or will the EU need to go through them again?

comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 6 minutes ago
This idea that the UK is really important is far fetched. European Car makers in particular have the relatively new markets of China, India and others opening up to them. They won't be so bothered if they sell a few less cars in the UK. The fact is however that they could charge whatever they liked and we'd still have to buy them as we don't have our own car companies making British cars!

We are a net importer not exporter, we don't make lots of stuff so we need access to goods from foreign companies and we'll have to pay the price whatever it is. Some people seem to seriously believe that we are still the British 'Empire' and everything will be great because we make stuff...we don't! Reality is that we'll probably just be forgotten as companies explore other markets

The EU cannot give the UK a soft Brexit deal because they know long term that will undermine the EU itself. You can't have a major country pulling out and getting what they want or everyone will start doing it

However it works out we will be worse off. And forget the ability to control immigration because we simply won't be able to. We do a poor job now of controlling non EU immigration to this country when we have full sovereignty to do so. The Home Office is already over run and failing to deal with non EU immigration now so what on earth do people think will suddenly happen if we added the EU countries to that equation

It will be even more chaos and even less control of our borders. Its a complete joke. The Dum Dums have been sold and wilfully brought a 3 legged donkey from the Three Amigos, Gove, Johnson and Farage

This has now left the Conservatives with the opportunity to attack peoples civil rights. They aren't the party of the people and many people are going to suffer as a result of this. Will there be riots in the streets when the Dum Dums start having to pay & get separate health insurance once the NHS goes?

Thats where we are headed. Well done Britain
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comment by Respectedabsolutetruth11 (U9573)
posted 2 minutes ago
This idea that the UK is really important is far fetched. European Car makers in particular have the relatively new markets of China, India and others opening up to them. They won't be so bothered if they sell a few less cars in the UK. The fact is however that they could charge whatever they liked and we'd still have to buy them as we don't have our own car companies making British cars!

WRONG. WE IMPORT AND EXPORT ROUGHLY THE SAME NUMBER ACCORDING TO A SPOKESMAN I HEARD FOR BRITISH CAR MANUFACTURERS. BMW AND VW ARE VERY WORRIED ABOUT LOSING THE AMOUNT OF TRADE THEY HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY.

We are a net importer not exporter, we don't make lots of stuff so we need access to goods from foreign companies and we'll have to pay the price whatever it is. Some people seem to seriously believe that we are still the British 'Empire' and everything will be great because we make stuff...we don't! Reality is that we'll probably just be forgotten as companies explore other markets

IF THEY IMPOSE TARIFFS ON US OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD IMPOSE TARIFFS ON EU GOODS. USE THE MONEY ON THAT TO SUBSIDISE OUR EXPORTS AND PAY THE TARIFFS FOR TRADE WITH THE EU AND WE WOULD BE HAVE A NET GAIN.

The EU cannot give the UK a soft Brexit deal because they know long term that will undermine the EU itself. You can't have a major country pulling out and getting what they want or everyone will start doing it

AS IN THE PREVIOUS COMMENT, GERMAN CAR MANUFACTURERS HAVE ALREADY SAID THERE WILL BE JOB LOSES IF THEY LOSE TRADE TO THE UK. THAT IS JUST PNE EXAMPLE. IF THE EU FACK OVER THEIR MEMBERS OTHER PEOPLE/COUNTRIES WILL WANT TO LEAVE.

However it works out we will be worse off. And forget the ability to control immigration because we simply won't be able to. We do a poor job now of controlling non EU immigration to this country when we have full sovereignty to do so. The Home Office is already over run and failing to deal with non EU immigration now so what on earth do people think will suddenly happen if we added the EU countries to that equation

ONE OF THE PROBLEMS IS PEOPLE COME IN FROM EU COUNTRIES AND WE CANT DEPORT THEM BACK THERE. I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD DO IT BUT WE COULD DEPORT THEM BACK TO THE COUNTRY THEY ARRIVED FROM.

It will be even more chaos and even less control of our borders. Its a complete joke. The Dum Dums have been sold and wilfully brought a 3 legged donkey from the Three Amigos, Gove, Johnson and Farage

This has now left the Conservatives with the opportunity to attack peoples civil rights. They aren't the party of the people and many people are going to suffer as a result of this. Will there be riots in the streets when the Dum Dums start having to pay & get separate health insurance once the NHS goes?

DUM DUMS? SHOWS THE TYPICAL LEFTY USING INSULTS. AS I SAID YESTERDAY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE MEANT TO BE TOLERANT AND INCLUSIVE. CLEARLY, YOU'RE NOT.

Thats where we are headed. Well done Britain
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