comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don
"Nothing upset me, I just found it lame and unnecessary"
It was unnecessary Klopp defending his player?
I don't mind Gary Neville as a pundit. The way I see it is Neville criticised Karius. Karius gave a bit back, then Phil Neville waded in unnecessarily last night on MOTD2, telling Karius to 'keep his mouth shut'. Of course Klopp was going to defend his player against the pair of them.
Is there not a good point when Klopp said that a former manager should know better than criticising young players so vociferously?
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Blimey, do I have to spell this out again.
My issue is with Klopp whining about the nevilles, not about him defending karius.
How difficult would it have been to say "he's young, we're happy with him, and we don't care what the pundits say"? He could even have (jokily) said "i don't expect ex-united players to big up a liverpool player".
but he didn't say that. he essentially said that the nevilles were only criticising the player because they were ex-united players, and that because gary was a sh.!.t manager then his opinions on anything are so worthless that he shouldn't be allowed on tv at all.
ironically he cited carragher as someone who favours liverpool, but forgot to add that he has been every bit as critical of karius as any other pundit.
go and look at the reporting of this - there is no story at all if he simply defends his own player, but every outlet is reporting it as an "attack" on the nevilles.
you think robb gets 200 comments if jurgen says "we are happy with our gk" and leaves it at that?
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Returning managers (U1762)
posted 14 seconds ago
You would think that Klopp wouldnt have used Garys Valencia struggles consdering what happened to him at Dortmund in 2014.
I know Klopp has proved himself prior, but you would think that would make him think twice.
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Finishing in the european places and not getting sacked?
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I couldn't see the similarities either
Neville has achieved far more in the game than Klopp who should be showing him more respect. Don't know why he's reacted that way.
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 35 seconds ago
Like I said I was impressed with the way Karius cleaned out Carroll. I do think he has the minerals to get through this and I do not doubt for a minute he can play at a higher level. I doubt anyone on this thread does really but that's 606.
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I believe he has the talent (wouldn't have been brought otherwise) but that's rarely enough at big clubs. You need a presence and confidence to think you belong at that level and I personally think that's more true of goalkeepers than any other position because it can be so exposing.
I honestly don't know whether he has the mental fortitude to play for us. I suspect if he gets through this however and is still with us in 2 years time, he'll be better for this experience.
And I think it's far too early to be writing off Karius btw
comment by Giggs#11 (U19135)
posted 45 seconds ago
Neville has achieved far more in the game than Klopp who should be showing him more respect. Don't know why he's reacted that way.
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Not in the management game they haven't. Even with the benefit of nepotism Gary failed terribly and Phil's best work has come in collecting compo.
comment by Giggs#11 (U19135)
posted 32 seconds ago
Neville has achieved far more in the game than Klopp who should be showing him more respect. Don't know why he's reacted that way.
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So he's not allowed to criticise Neville because Neville won more in his playing career?
Actually if we look now, Klopp is a very successful manager, building teams well and doing the same with Liverpool as they are still in the Top 4 and a title challenge for me. Neville is a failed manager come pundit once again. Right now, Neville should be the one respecting Klopp for the job he has done at Liverpool.
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
Took the words right out of my mouth Don.
The Neville brothers coaching careers have been disasters respectively.
Have either of them been associated with anything that wasn't a failure, as coaches?
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 35 seconds ago
Like I said I was impressed with the way Karius cleaned out Carroll. I do think he has the minerals to get through this and I do not doubt for a minute he can play at a higher level. I doubt anyone on this thread does really but that's 606.
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I believe he has the talent (wouldn't have been brought otherwise) but that's rarely enough at big clubs. You need a presence and confidence to think you belong at that level and I personally think that's more true of goalkeepers than any other position because it can be so exposing.
I honestly don't know whether he has the mental fortitude to play for us. I suspect if he gets through this however and is still with us in 2 years time, he'll be better for this experience.
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I think he needs time and people are too quick to write players off nowadays. The PL takes a bit of time to get used to. He's also playing with a defence that he's not used to playing with, and looked shaky before he came. I don't see the point in chopping and changing left right and centre. It's not going to solve the problem.
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Giggs#11 (U19135)
posted 45 seconds ago
Neville has achieved far more in the game than Klopp who should be showing him more respect. Don't know why he's reacted that way.
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Not in the management game they haven't. Even with the benefit of nepotism Gary failed terribly and Phil's best work has come in collecting compo.
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Don't see what being a manager has to do with it, as a whole Neville has achieved more and should be shown more respect. Klopps comments just come across as personal, he could have defended Karius and not come across the way he has.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
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I tried to make a table once. Messed it right up, nothing lined up properly. Ended up taking it back to IKEA.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 minutes ago
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
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This may be where Karius is going wrong. If he'd focus more on his football than making tables, we wouldn't be talking about this in the first place.
There is definitely no patience in the game at all nowadays, if there ever was any.
The likes of Carra and the Nevilles will bemoan a manager who gets sacked after 6 months in the job. Then in the next sentence destroy a player who has played 10 games.
Clever that isn't it.
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
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I tried to make a table once. Messed it right up, nothing lined up properly. Ended up taking it back to IKEA.
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QED!
What is moderately ironic is that real GK howlers recently - including forster's, england's wannabe no.1 GK - have gone almost completely unmentioned.
I didn't see the bournemouth game live, but i knew that karius was getting some flak for the winning goal, and so was expecting a taibiesque howler, not something you see 50 times a season in the PL.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
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I tried to make a table once. Messed it right up, nothing lined up properly. Ended up taking it back to IKEA.
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QED!
What is moderately ironic is that real GK howlers recently - including forster's, england's wannabe no.1 GK - have gone almost completely unmentioned.
I didn't see the bournemouth game live, but i knew that karius was getting some flak for the winning goal, and so was expecting a taibiesque howler, not something you see 50 times a season in the PL.
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Fair point. Most of Karius' 'howlers' would (IMO) come under the category 'could have done better'.
I didn't see the bournemouth game live, but i knew that karius was getting some flak for the winning goal, and so was expecting a taibiesque howler, not something you see 50 times a season in the PL.
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A lot of the criticism was generated by the overwhelming feeling of annoyance at losing the game, with his mistake being the one that ultimately lost us the point. Not the same level of criticism of other players who had a part in the downfall.
Agains, the media decides what story it wants to go with and the viewers jump on board.
Choo choo, bandwagin coming through
(do band wagons have horns?)
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
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I tried to make a table once. Messed it right up, nothing lined up properly. Ended up taking it back to IKEA.
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QED!
What is moderately ironic is that real GK howlers recently - including forster's, england's wannabe no.1 GK - have gone almost completely unmentioned.
I didn't see the bournemouth game live, but i knew that karius was getting some flak for the winning goal, and so was expecting a taibiesque howler, not something you see 50 times a season in the PL.
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Fair point. Most of Karius' 'howlers' would (IMO) come under the category 'could have done better'.
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This is why I think criticism aimed at him has been harsh.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tried to make a table once. Messed it right up, nothing lined up properly. Ended up taking it back to IKEA.
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QED!
What is moderately ironic is that real GK howlers recently - including forster's, england's wannabe no.1 GK - have gone almost completely unmentioned.
I didn't see the bournemouth game live, but i knew that karius was getting some flak for the winning goal, and so was expecting a taibiesque howler, not something you see 50 times a season in the PL.
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Tbf to Forster, he came out immediately and said he'd made a right royal f*ck up, rather than moan at his critics. He was criticised for it, it was definitely highlighted due to him being watched by the England manager. Don't think his manager rounded on anyone either.
Karius error yesterday wan't an isolated incident though. There have been quite a few 'he was weak/poor/should be doing far better there' moments. If it happens once, fine - it happens, if it keeps happening then he is rightly questioned.
Player mistakes are criticised every week. Managers prissy responses just bring unwanted and unnecessary attention, possibly exacerbating the problem
Thing that bugs me the most is Phil Neville. Who essentially said that he doesn't even think the goals conceded were that bad, but it was the article in midweek that he didn't like.
Which equates to "I thought he was fine but he was nasty to my brother so I'm gonna join in the kicking for the hell of it."
Think both were fair to make their comments to be honest.
Neville is a pundit at the end of the day and Karius is a crap goalkeeper, keepers at this level shouldn't make mistakes like that.
Klopp was asked about Nevilles comments and it's hardly surprising he will defend him.
they are pundits and like us fans have the right to say what they believe. Let's face it some.of us liverpool fans think karius is not yet up to standard or may never will be. Problem Gary has his he looked well lost as a manager so for him to criticise is quite hard for other managers to accept.
Klopp got asked a question and said his piece .all done and dusted.No doubt the media will go over drove though.
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What's the point in pundits if they can't make judgements. They have critized utd all season too.
Karius has been awful. Doesn't mean he's an awful keeper for rest of his career. But right now he's not good enough. Everyone knows it. Klopp just trying to protect his player.
Absolute non story.
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posted on 12/12/16
comment by Coutinho's Happy Feet (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don
"Nothing upset me, I just found it lame and unnecessary"
It was unnecessary Klopp defending his player?
I don't mind Gary Neville as a pundit. The way I see it is Neville criticised Karius. Karius gave a bit back, then Phil Neville waded in unnecessarily last night on MOTD2, telling Karius to 'keep his mouth shut'. Of course Klopp was going to defend his player against the pair of them.
Is there not a good point when Klopp said that a former manager should know better than criticising young players so vociferously?
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Blimey, do I have to spell this out again.
My issue is with Klopp whining about the nevilles, not about him defending karius.
How difficult would it have been to say "he's young, we're happy with him, and we don't care what the pundits say"? He could even have (jokily) said "i don't expect ex-united players to big up a liverpool player".
but he didn't say that. he essentially said that the nevilles were only criticising the player because they were ex-united players, and that because gary was a sh.!.t manager then his opinions on anything are so worthless that he shouldn't be allowed on tv at all.
ironically he cited carragher as someone who favours liverpool, but forgot to add that he has been every bit as critical of karius as any other pundit.
go and look at the reporting of this - there is no story at all if he simply defends his own player, but every outlet is reporting it as an "attack" on the nevilles.
you think robb gets 200 comments if jurgen says "we are happy with our gk" and leaves it at that?
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Returning managers (U1762)
posted 14 seconds ago
You would think that Klopp wouldnt have used Garys Valencia struggles consdering what happened to him at Dortmund in 2014.
I know Klopp has proved himself prior, but you would think that would make him think twice.
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Finishing in the european places and not getting sacked?
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I couldn't see the similarities either
posted on 12/12/16
Neville has achieved far more in the game than Klopp who should be showing him more respect. Don't know why he's reacted that way.
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 35 seconds ago
Like I said I was impressed with the way Karius cleaned out Carroll. I do think he has the minerals to get through this and I do not doubt for a minute he can play at a higher level. I doubt anyone on this thread does really but that's 606.
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I believe he has the talent (wouldn't have been brought otherwise) but that's rarely enough at big clubs. You need a presence and confidence to think you belong at that level and I personally think that's more true of goalkeepers than any other position because it can be so exposing.
I honestly don't know whether he has the mental fortitude to play for us. I suspect if he gets through this however and is still with us in 2 years time, he'll be better for this experience.
posted on 12/12/16
And I think it's far too early to be writing off Karius btw
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Giggs#11 (U19135)
posted 45 seconds ago
Neville has achieved far more in the game than Klopp who should be showing him more respect. Don't know why he's reacted that way.
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Not in the management game they haven't. Even with the benefit of nepotism Gary failed terribly and Phil's best work has come in collecting compo.
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Giggs#11 (U19135)
posted 32 seconds ago
Neville has achieved far more in the game than Klopp who should be showing him more respect. Don't know why he's reacted that way.
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So he's not allowed to criticise Neville because Neville won more in his playing career?
Actually if we look now, Klopp is a very successful manager, building teams well and doing the same with Liverpool as they are still in the Top 4 and a title challenge for me. Neville is a failed manager come pundit once again. Right now, Neville should be the one respecting Klopp for the job he has done at Liverpool.
posted on 12/12/16
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
posted on 12/12/16
Took the words right out of my mouth Don.
posted on 12/12/16
The Neville brothers coaching careers have been disasters respectively.
Have either of them been associated with anything that wasn't a failure, as coaches?
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 35 seconds ago
Like I said I was impressed with the way Karius cleaned out Carroll. I do think he has the minerals to get through this and I do not doubt for a minute he can play at a higher level. I doubt anyone on this thread does really but that's 606.
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I believe he has the talent (wouldn't have been brought otherwise) but that's rarely enough at big clubs. You need a presence and confidence to think you belong at that level and I personally think that's more true of goalkeepers than any other position because it can be so exposing.
I honestly don't know whether he has the mental fortitude to play for us. I suspect if he gets through this however and is still with us in 2 years time, he'll be better for this experience.
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I think he needs time and people are too quick to write players off nowadays. The PL takes a bit of time to get used to. He's also playing with a defence that he's not used to playing with, and looked shaky before he came. I don't see the point in chopping and changing left right and centre. It's not going to solve the problem.
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Robbing_Hoody (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Giggs#11 (U19135)
posted 45 seconds ago
Neville has achieved far more in the game than Klopp who should be showing him more respect. Don't know why he's reacted that way.
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Not in the management game they haven't. Even with the benefit of nepotism Gary failed terribly and Phil's best work has come in collecting compo.
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Don't see what being a manager has to do with it, as a whole Neville has achieved more and should be shown more respect. Klopps comments just come across as personal, he could have defended Karius and not come across the way he has.
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
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I tried to make a table once. Messed it right up, nothing lined up properly. Ended up taking it back to IKEA.
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 minutes ago
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
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This may be where Karius is going wrong. If he'd focus more on his football than making tables, we wouldn't be talking about this in the first place.
posted on 12/12/16
There is definitely no patience in the game at all nowadays, if there ever was any.
The likes of Carra and the Nevilles will bemoan a manager who gets sacked after 6 months in the job. Then in the next sentence destroy a player who has played 10 games.
Clever that isn't it.
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tried to make a table once. Messed it right up, nothing lined up properly. Ended up taking it back to IKEA.
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QED!
What is moderately ironic is that real GK howlers recently - including forster's, england's wannabe no.1 GK - have gone almost completely unmentioned.
I didn't see the bournemouth game live, but i knew that karius was getting some flak for the winning goal, and so was expecting a taibiesque howler, not something you see 50 times a season in the PL.
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tried to make a table once. Messed it right up, nothing lined up properly. Ended up taking it back to IKEA.
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QED!
What is moderately ironic is that real GK howlers recently - including forster's, england's wannabe no.1 GK - have gone almost completely unmentioned.
I didn't see the bournemouth game live, but i knew that karius was getting some flak for the winning goal, and so was expecting a taibiesque howler, not something you see 50 times a season in the PL.
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Fair point. Most of Karius' 'howlers' would (IMO) come under the category 'could have done better'.
posted on 12/12/16
I didn't see the bournemouth game live, but i knew that karius was getting some flak for the winning goal, and so was expecting a taibiesque howler, not something you see 50 times a season in the PL.
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A lot of the criticism was generated by the overwhelming feeling of annoyance at losing the game, with his mistake being the one that ultimately lost us the point. Not the same level of criticism of other players who had a part in the downfall.
Agains, the media decides what story it wants to go with and the viewers jump on board.
Choo choo, bandwagin coming through
(do band wagons have horns?)
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tried to make a table once. Messed it right up, nothing lined up properly. Ended up taking it back to IKEA.
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QED!
What is moderately ironic is that real GK howlers recently - including forster's, england's wannabe no.1 GK - have gone almost completely unmentioned.
I didn't see the bournemouth game live, but i knew that karius was getting some flak for the winning goal, and so was expecting a taibiesque howler, not something you see 50 times a season in the PL.
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Fair point. Most of Karius' 'howlers' would (IMO) come under the category 'could have done better'.
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This is why I think criticism aimed at him has been harsh.
posted on 12/12/16
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 55 seconds ago
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
The argument is illogical anyway, neville wasn't criticising klopp as a manager, he was criticising karius as a player. what his failures as a manger have to do with that i don't know.
anyway, we all remember these wise words from samuel johnson:
"You may abuse a tragedy, though you cannot write one. You may scold a carpenter who has made you a bad table, though you cannot make a table. It is not your trade to make tables."
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tried to make a table once. Messed it right up, nothing lined up properly. Ended up taking it back to IKEA.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
QED!
What is moderately ironic is that real GK howlers recently - including forster's, england's wannabe no.1 GK - have gone almost completely unmentioned.
I didn't see the bournemouth game live, but i knew that karius was getting some flak for the winning goal, and so was expecting a taibiesque howler, not something you see 50 times a season in the PL.
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Tbf to Forster, he came out immediately and said he'd made a right royal f*ck up, rather than moan at his critics. He was criticised for it, it was definitely highlighted due to him being watched by the England manager. Don't think his manager rounded on anyone either.
Karius error yesterday wan't an isolated incident though. There have been quite a few 'he was weak/poor/should be doing far better there' moments. If it happens once, fine - it happens, if it keeps happening then he is rightly questioned.
Player mistakes are criticised every week. Managers prissy responses just bring unwanted and unnecessary attention, possibly exacerbating the problem
posted on 12/12/16
Thing that bugs me the most is Phil Neville. Who essentially said that he doesn't even think the goals conceded were that bad, but it was the article in midweek that he didn't like.
Which equates to "I thought he was fine but he was nasty to my brother so I'm gonna join in the kicking for the hell of it."
posted on 12/12/16
Think both were fair to make their comments to be honest.
Neville is a pundit at the end of the day and Karius is a crap goalkeeper, keepers at this level shouldn't make mistakes like that.
Klopp was asked about Nevilles comments and it's hardly surprising he will defend him.
posted on 12/12/16
they are pundits and like us fans have the right to say what they believe. Let's face it some.of us liverpool fans think karius is not yet up to standard or may never will be. Problem Gary has his he looked well lost as a manager so for him to criticise is quite hard for other managers to accept.
Klopp got asked a question and said his piece .all done and dusted.No doubt the media will go over drove though.
posted on 12/12/16
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posted on 12/12/16
What's the point in pundits if they can't make judgements. They have critized utd all season too.
Karius has been awful. Doesn't mean he's an awful keeper for rest of his career. But right now he's not good enough. Everyone knows it. Klopp just trying to protect his player.
Absolute non story.
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