Don't think the poster was blaming white people but the problems of poverty everywhere which manifests in different forms in different communities.
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posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
White Polish and Irish make up a large part of our UK prisons.
Do scousers, or people in NI or Hull not suffer poverty, poor education, health and hosing, compared to black and Asian Londoners, for example.
In Chicago, 750 people have died in gang and gun cri e, as black lives matter hate on police there.
In contrast, LA has seen murder rates fall, with larger gang numbers.
Point being, geography and class is relevant, as well as who governs.
There is a problem in modern society. Society is very unequal as it always been. However at no time have people been able to feel the difference as much as today. I blame quantitative easing for this. It has been a disaster for the western world. We have introduced a subversive form of market support that has made people who were already rich far richer. And unlike in the past people can see the difference compared to in the past when information was limited. The problem is of course that with globalisation occurring at the same time has made it an easy scapegoat when in reality that is the only way to solve the problem.
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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
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And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
Don't think the poster was blaming white people but the problems of poverty everywhere which manifests in different forms in different communities.
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Whiteness, then?
Or were black people keeping black people back in life, jobs, prison?
Racism suggests one racial group acting in a certain way towards others , so i took posters literally, and as black, African folk were the alleged victim, I guessed whitey was to blame for their problems.
Am I wrong?
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
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And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
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Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
Folk move from Africa, with all the poverty , war, starvation, tribalism, islamist killing there, move to Europe, and if they live together, fail to get work or commit crime, whiteness is to blame.
Many succeed, but aul whitey rarely gets credit, even though we created what is Europe, and where so many want to come to get a better life, in a free, liberal democratic and toleranct Europe.
Tell ya what guys, if Morrocco, Syria, Algeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Somalia is better than the UK and Europe, stay there.......just a thought, before choosing to come here and complain.
Or, get the leftists here to moan on your behalf.
Europe really does not need mass immigration, and parties now reflect this.
So, if we are so racist and bad as people, do not come to live here.Hopefully, the choice will be in our hands soon, and we are no lo get an easy touch.
This country has been changed for the worse by the dopey open door policy.
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comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
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And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
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Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
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I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
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And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
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Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
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I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
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And then stated it was 'kinda racist' to point out white racism is a problem.
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posted 1 minute ago
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posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
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And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
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Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
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I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
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You say racism exists elsewhere, but anti- white racism is right here...sizzle for example, and in the States.
Until the sixties, people in the UK and Europe were not even thinking about being white,ffs.Now, one of the first questions on job applications asks folk to define their co!our.
So called melting pot is not always positive, as people divide and live separate lives, in the same town.
Social cohesion and community feeling is weakening now, as more people arrive, and demographics alter rapidly.
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posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
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And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
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Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
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I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
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And then stated it was 'kinda racist' to point out white racism is a problem.
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Yes, when other racist attitudes are played down or denied, as some here think it is solely a white issue.
At least you admit otherwise, but some do not.
I have met English people who moved to Belfast after being called white or English barstewards, in northern towns.
Same applies to white people in Chicago or Virginia, but we only here about the kkk etc.
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posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
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Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
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I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
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You say racism exists elsewhere, but anti- white racism is right here...sizzle for example, and in the States.
Until the sixties, people in the UK and Europe were not even thinking about being white,ffs.Now, one of the first questions on job applications asks folk to define their co!our.
So called melting pot is not always positive, as people divide and live separate lives, in the same town.
Social cohesion and community feeling is weakening now, as more people arrive, and demographics alter rapidly.
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Up until the sixties, black and Asian people had to think about being black and Asian. Maybe the playing field is just levelling and you don't like it?
tbab, if I'm not mistaken, you think that Western Europeans (all of us, or just the North West?) and North Americans (excluding Mexico and the Caribbean?) do not receive enough credit for creating the conditions of prosperity that the peoples of the developing the world aspire to?
While it's fair to argue those conditions have been possible thanks to efforts in education and research, is it not true that the past and present pillaging of other nations - entire regions of the world, in fact - has also been a huge contributor?
Each is entitled to an opinion, of course, but while some are content to shrug their Darwinist shoulders, I don't see what is so necessarily 'leftist' about thinking that we owe a lot more back than letting a few in to sink or swim at the base of the pyramid. If anything, I'd say it ought to go without saying for societies that in their vast majority consider their values to be drawn from Christianity.
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posted 6 seconds ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
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Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
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I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
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And then stated it was 'kinda racist' to point out white racism is a problem.
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Yes, when other racist attitudes are played down or denied, as some here think it is solely a white issue.
At least you admit otherwise, but some do not.
I have met English people who moved to Belfast after being called white or English barstewards, in northern towns.
Same applies to white people in Chicago or Virginia, but we only here about the kkk etc.
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To be honest, I have never seen anyone state that other forms of racism don't exist.
I have only seen people like you deflect from white racism, by bringing up other forms; as if that makes it a non issue.
In my opinion, it seems as though people think it is becoming acceptable to be openly racist again as nationalism rises. I have seen it first hand over the last 12 months and it really disappoints me. Attitudes such as yours do nothing to combat this.
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posted 6 seconds ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
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Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
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I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
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You say racism exists elsewhere, but anti- white racism is right here...sizzle for example, and in the States.
Until the sixties, people in the UK and Europe were not even thinking about being white,ffs.Now, one of the first questions on job applications asks folk to define their co!our.
So called melting pot is not always positive, as people divide and live separate lives, in the same town.
Social cohesion and community feeling is weakening now, as more people arrive, and demographics alter rapidly.
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Up until the sixties, black and Asian people had to think about being black and Asian. Maybe the playing field is just levelling and you don't like it?
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I will clarify......white racism led to apartheid, slavery and second class treatment for African American's, until the sixties, and the racism experienced by white people is nothing by comparison.
I want us to be equal, and saying I do not like a level playing field is insulting, but your opinion .
I hate all racism and racist bullying ....end of.
My point was, people in the UK are now labelled racist by sizzle types, if they vote brexit, but until fifty years ago, we would not even have though about co!our, or calling ourselves white etc etc....rightly or wrongly, racial issues come from the multi- culturalism experiment.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 7 minutes ago
My point was, people in the UK are now labelled racist by sizzle types, if they vote brexit, but until fifty years ago, we would not even have though about co!our, or calling ourselves white etc etc....rightly or wrongly, racial issues come from the multi- culturalism experiment.
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tbab, I find you very disconcerting.
I fully subscribe your opening paragraph, and you very often make statements in this vein, but then you go and veer in the absolute opposite direction.
With all due response, tbab, either you've worded that last para remarkably poorly or it's complete and utter nonsense.
comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
posted 24 minutes ago
tbab, if I'm not mistaken, you think that Western Europeans (all of us, or just the North West?) and North Americans (excluding Mexico and the Caribbean?) do not receive enough credit for creating the conditions of prosperity that the peoples of the developing the world aspire to?
While it's fair to argue those conditions have been possible thanks to efforts in education and research, is it not true that the past and present pillaging of other nations - entire regions of the world, in fact - has also been a huge contributor?
Each is entitled to an opinion, of course, but while some are content to shrug their Darwinist shoulders, I don't see what is so necessarily 'leftist' about thinking that we owe a lot more back than letting a few in to sink or swim at the base of the pyramid. If anything, I'd say it ought to go without saying for societies that in their vast majority consider their values to be drawn from Christianity.
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Morning bud.
I think you tease out more from my posts than I intended, in that I am christian and white, but not saying we did not use force and badly treat other people around the world.....like all empires and war, awful acts were done.
I love the fact we have people coming here and l have lived, socialized and worked in Brixton and Hounslow, with West Indian and Indian people, and I have met east European folk were n work in Belfast, and they are sound too.
I am just pointing out how we blame whitey too readily, possibly transferring the guilt of our ancestors?
IF I speak of white British faiilure at school,or work, iam told the white folk are thick and lazy,
Then, Morrocan failure is on our shoulders too, ffs....it is leftist gibberish and PC Iunacy, where white professors in US uni' s call for white genocide, praise white death in Haiti and think kill whites slogans are acceptable at pro- Hilary rallies.
45% of the minorities in this country voted for Brexit.
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posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
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Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And then stated it was 'kinda racist' to point out white racism is a problem.
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Yes, when other racist attitudes are played down or denied, as some here think it is solely a white issue.
At least you admit otherwise, but some do not.
I have met English people who moved to Belfast after being called white or English barstewards, in northern towns.
Same applies to white people in Chicago or Virginia, but we only here about the kkk etc.
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To be honest, I have never seen anyone state that other forms of racism don't exist.
I have only seen people like you deflect from white racism, by bringing up other forms; as if that makes it a non issue.
In my opinion, it seems as though people think it is becoming acceptable to be openly racist again as nationalism rises. I have seen it first hand over the last 12 months and it really disappoints me. Attitudes such as yours do nothing to combat this.
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I disagree......black lives matter, nation of Islam, have openly racist white haters, and I do not see posters address that.
White are called various silly names and even regarded as the devil, ffs.
Whites protesting against the Racist Roof charleston shooting were told to go away, by black racists.
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posted 4 minutes ago
45% of the minorities in this country voted for Brexit.
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Exactly, but the sizzle mindset call them bad names.
And I am a racist racist for voting leave, in his world.
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posted 7 minutes ago
My point was, people in the UK are now labelled racist by sizzle types, if they vote brexit, but until fifty years ago, we would not even have though about co!our, or calling ourselves white etc etc....rightly or wrongly, racial issues come from the multi- culturalism experiment.
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tbab, I find you very disconcerting.
I fully subscribe your opening paragraph, and you very often make statements in this vein, but then you go and veer in the absolute opposite direction.
With all due response, tbab, either you've worded that last para remarkably poorly or it's complete and utter nonsense.
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I think you misunderstand my post, as I cannot put it any more clearly.
I am responding to a new leftist ideology placing blame on whites and whiteness, not necessarily I dividual posts here.
Not all leftist views are nice or good for society, just as not all so called right wing or populist views are racist or facist or bad for society.
Being a corbynista or black lives matter fan does not equate to wisdom or good.....and being a unionist, nationalist or leave voter is not evil or stupid.
Have a good ya all.
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Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say racism exists elsewhere, but anti- white racism is right here...sizzle for example, and in the States.
Until the sixties, people in the UK and Europe were not even thinking about being white,ffs.Now, one of the first questions on job applications asks folk to define their co!our.
So called melting pot is not always positive, as people divide and live separate lives, in the same town.
Social cohesion and community feeling is weakening now, as more people arrive, and demographics alter rapidly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Up until the sixties, black and Asian people had to think about being black and Asian. Maybe the playing field is just levelling and you don't like it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I will clarify......white racism led to apartheid, slavery and second class treatment for African American's, until the sixties, and the racism experienced by white people is nothing by comparison.
I want us to be equal, and saying I do not like a level playing field is insulting, but your opinion .
I hate all racism and racist bullying ....end of.
My point was, people in the UK are now labelled racist by sizzle types, if they vote brexit, but until fifty years ago, we would not even have though about co!our, or calling ourselves white etc etc....rightly or wrongly, racial issues come from the multi- culturalism experiment.
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Why do you keep harking back to fifty years ago as if it was some sort of racial utopia?
Only 38 years ago we had the white versus black football match. Black footballers were openly abused by the crowd. So whilst white people didn't have to think about being white, maybe that was a bad thing.
Things have got better since then but now they are regressing again. If you want to remain blind to it or brush over it, you become part of the problem.
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
Morning bud.
I think you tease out more from my posts than I intended, in that I am christian and white, but not saying we did not use force and badly treat other people around the world.....like all empires and war, awful acts were done.
I love the fact we have people coming here and l have lived, socialized and worked in Brixton and Hounslow, with West Indian and Indian people, and I have met east European folk were n work in Belfast, and they are sound too.
I am just pointing out how we blame whitey too readily, possibly transferring the guilt of our ancestors?
IF I speak of white British faiilure at school,or work, iam told the white folk are thick and lazy,
Then, Morrocan failure is on our shoulders too, ffs....it is leftist gibberish and PC Iunacy, where white professors in US uni' s call for white genocide, praise white death in Haiti and think kill whites slogans are acceptable at pro- Hilary rallies.
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Morning tbab,
Re teasing out - no, it was more a general reflection than an individual one. As regards religion, I think you're agnostic, but do not discard you might be Jewish or Christian. Regarding race, I presume white (like myself), but neither are great concern to me.
My comment was more a reflection regarding the societies we live in. I myself, as you may have picked up by now, consider myself atheist. I do, however, hail from a Christian background and consider that my scale of values is largely -not entirely- based on those teachings.
I do think you have a point regarding racism in other communities. Even though I see this largely as a backlash, I don't think this should be used as an excuse.
Imo, what's crucial is to try and comprehend the other's reasons and motivations.
As I see it, living together in community is a kind of negotiation between different interests that are almost invariably compatible once we are capable of identifying what common ground there exists between us.
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posted on 2/1/17
Don't think the poster was blaming white people but the problems of poverty everywhere which manifests in different forms in different communities.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
posted on 2/1/17
White Polish and Irish make up a large part of our UK prisons.
Do scousers, or people in NI or Hull not suffer poverty, poor education, health and hosing, compared to black and Asian Londoners, for example.
In Chicago, 750 people have died in gang and gun cri e, as black lives matter hate on police there.
In contrast, LA has seen murder rates fall, with larger gang numbers.
Point being, geography and class is relevant, as well as who governs.
posted on 2/1/17
There is a problem in modern society. Society is very unequal as it always been. However at no time have people been able to feel the difference as much as today. I blame quantitative easing for this. It has been a disaster for the western world. We have introduced a subversive form of market support that has made people who were already rich far richer. And unlike in the past people can see the difference compared to in the past when information was limited. The problem is of course that with globalisation occurring at the same time has made it an easy scapegoat when in reality that is the only way to solve the problem.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 8 minutes ago
Don't think the poster was blaming white people but the problems of poverty everywhere which manifests in different forms in different communities.
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Whiteness, then?
Or were black people keeping black people back in life, jobs, prison?
Racism suggests one racial group acting in a certain way towards others , so i took posters literally, and as black, African folk were the alleged victim, I guessed whitey was to blame for their problems.
Am I wrong?
posted on 2/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
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And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
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Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
posted on 2/1/17
Folk move from Africa, with all the poverty , war, starvation, tribalism, islamist killing there, move to Europe, and if they live together, fail to get work or commit crime, whiteness is to blame.
Many succeed, but aul whitey rarely gets credit, even though we created what is Europe, and where so many want to come to get a better life, in a free, liberal democratic and toleranct Europe.
Tell ya what guys, if Morrocco, Syria, Algeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Somalia is better than the UK and Europe, stay there.......just a thought, before choosing to come here and complain.
Or, get the leftists here to moan on your behalf.
Europe really does not need mass immigration, and parties now reflect this.
So, if we are so racist and bad as people, do not come to live here.Hopefully, the choice will be in our hands soon, and we are no lo get an easy touch.
This country has been changed for the worse by the dopey open door policy.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
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It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
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I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
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I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
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And then stated it was 'kinda racist' to point out white racism is a problem.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
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You say racism exists elsewhere, but anti- white racism is right here...sizzle for example, and in the States.
Until the sixties, people in the UK and Europe were not even thinking about being white,ffs.Now, one of the first questions on job applications asks folk to define their co!our.
So called melting pot is not always positive, as people divide and live separate lives, in the same town.
Social cohesion and community feeling is weakening now, as more people arrive, and demographics alter rapidly.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
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And then stated it was 'kinda racist' to point out white racism is a problem.
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Yes, when other racist attitudes are played down or denied, as some here think it is solely a white issue.
At least you admit otherwise, but some do not.
I have met English people who moved to Belfast after being called white or English barstewards, in northern towns.
Same applies to white people in Chicago or Virginia, but we only here about the kkk etc.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say racism exists elsewhere, but anti- white racism is right here...sizzle for example, and in the States.
Until the sixties, people in the UK and Europe were not even thinking about being white,ffs.Now, one of the first questions on job applications asks folk to define their co!our.
So called melting pot is not always positive, as people divide and live separate lives, in the same town.
Social cohesion and community feeling is weakening now, as more people arrive, and demographics alter rapidly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Up until the sixties, black and Asian people had to think about being black and Asian. Maybe the playing field is just levelling and you don't like it?
posted on 2/1/17
tbab, if I'm not mistaken, you think that Western Europeans (all of us, or just the North West?) and North Americans (excluding Mexico and the Caribbean?) do not receive enough credit for creating the conditions of prosperity that the peoples of the developing the world aspire to?
While it's fair to argue those conditions have been possible thanks to efforts in education and research, is it not true that the past and present pillaging of other nations - entire regions of the world, in fact - has also been a huge contributor?
Each is entitled to an opinion, of course, but while some are content to shrug their Darwinist shoulders, I don't see what is so necessarily 'leftist' about thinking that we owe a lot more back than letting a few in to sink or swim at the base of the pyramid. If anything, I'd say it ought to go without saying for societies that in their vast majority consider their values to be drawn from Christianity.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And then stated it was 'kinda racist' to point out white racism is a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, when other racist attitudes are played down or denied, as some here think it is solely a white issue.
At least you admit otherwise, but some do not.
I have met English people who moved to Belfast after being called white or English barstewards, in northern towns.
Same applies to white people in Chicago or Virginia, but we only here about the kkk etc.
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To be honest, I have never seen anyone state that other forms of racism don't exist.
I have only seen people like you deflect from white racism, by bringing up other forms; as if that makes it a non issue.
In my opinion, it seems as though people think it is becoming acceptable to be openly racist again as nationalism rises. I have seen it first hand over the last 12 months and it really disappoints me. Attitudes such as yours do nothing to combat this.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say racism exists elsewhere, but anti- white racism is right here...sizzle for example, and in the States.
Until the sixties, people in the UK and Europe were not even thinking about being white,ffs.Now, one of the first questions on job applications asks folk to define their co!our.
So called melting pot is not always positive, as people divide and live separate lives, in the same town.
Social cohesion and community feeling is weakening now, as more people arrive, and demographics alter rapidly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Up until the sixties, black and Asian people had to think about being black and Asian. Maybe the playing field is just levelling and you don't like it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I will clarify......white racism led to apartheid, slavery and second class treatment for African American's, until the sixties, and the racism experienced by white people is nothing by comparison.
I want us to be equal, and saying I do not like a level playing field is insulting, but your opinion .
I hate all racism and racist bullying ....end of.
My point was, people in the UK are now labelled racist by sizzle types, if they vote brexit, but until fifty years ago, we would not even have though about co!our, or calling ourselves white etc etc....rightly or wrongly, racial issues come from the multi- culturalism experiment.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 7 minutes ago
My point was, people in the UK are now labelled racist by sizzle types, if they vote brexit, but until fifty years ago, we would not even have though about co!our, or calling ourselves white etc etc....rightly or wrongly, racial issues come from the multi- culturalism experiment.
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tbab, I find you very disconcerting.
I fully subscribe your opening paragraph, and you very often make statements in this vein, but then you go and veer in the absolute opposite direction.
With all due response, tbab, either you've worded that last para remarkably poorly or it's complete and utter nonsense.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
posted 24 minutes ago
tbab, if I'm not mistaken, you think that Western Europeans (all of us, or just the North West?) and North Americans (excluding Mexico and the Caribbean?) do not receive enough credit for creating the conditions of prosperity that the peoples of the developing the world aspire to?
While it's fair to argue those conditions have been possible thanks to efforts in education and research, is it not true that the past and present pillaging of other nations - entire regions of the world, in fact - has also been a huge contributor?
Each is entitled to an opinion, of course, but while some are content to shrug their Darwinist shoulders, I don't see what is so necessarily 'leftist' about thinking that we owe a lot more back than letting a few in to sink or swim at the base of the pyramid. If anything, I'd say it ought to go without saying for societies that in their vast majority consider their values to be drawn from Christianity.
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Morning bud.
I think you tease out more from my posts than I intended, in that I am christian and white, but not saying we did not use force and badly treat other people around the world.....like all empires and war, awful acts were done.
I love the fact we have people coming here and l have lived, socialized and worked in Brixton and Hounslow, with West Indian and Indian people, and I have met east European folk were n work in Belfast, and they are sound too.
I am just pointing out how we blame whitey too readily, possibly transferring the guilt of our ancestors?
IF I speak of white British faiilure at school,or work, iam told the white folk are thick and lazy,
Then, Morrocan failure is on our shoulders too, ffs....it is leftist gibberish and PC Iunacy, where white professors in US uni' s call for white genocide, praise white death in Haiti and think kill whites slogans are acceptable at pro- Hilary rallies.
posted on 2/1/17
45% of the minorities in this country voted for Brexit.
posted on 2/1/17
*respect, not response
posted on 2/1/17
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And then stated it was 'kinda racist' to point out white racism is a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, when other racist attitudes are played down or denied, as some here think it is solely a white issue.
At least you admit otherwise, but some do not.
I have met English people who moved to Belfast after being called white or English barstewards, in northern towns.
Same applies to white people in Chicago or Virginia, but we only here about the kkk etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be honest, I have never seen anyone state that other forms of racism don't exist.
I have only seen people like you deflect from white racism, by bringing up other forms; as if that makes it a non issue.
In my opinion, it seems as though people think it is becoming acceptable to be openly racist again as nationalism rises. I have seen it first hand over the last 12 months and it really disappoints me. Attitudes such as yours do nothing to combat this.
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I disagree......black lives matter, nation of Islam, have openly racist white haters, and I do not see posters address that.
White are called various silly names and even regarded as the devil, ffs.
Whites protesting against the Racist Roof charleston shooting were told to go away, by black racists.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 minutes ago
45% of the minorities in this country voted for Brexit.
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Exactly, but the sizzle mindset call them bad names.
And I am a racist racist for voting leave, in his world.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by Mourinho delenda est (U6426)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 7 minutes ago
My point was, people in the UK are now labelled racist by sizzle types, if they vote brexit, but until fifty years ago, we would not even have though about co!our, or calling ourselves white etc etc....rightly or wrongly, racial issues come from the multi- culturalism experiment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
tbab, I find you very disconcerting.
I fully subscribe your opening paragraph, and you very often make statements in this vein, but then you go and veer in the absolute opposite direction.
With all due response, tbab, either you've worded that last para remarkably poorly or it's complete and utter nonsense.
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I think you misunderstand my post, as I cannot put it any more clearly.
I am responding to a new leftist ideology placing blame on whites and whiteness, not necessarily I dividual posts here.
Not all leftist views are nice or good for society, just as not all so called right wing or populist views are racist or facist or bad for society.
Being a corbynista or black lives matter fan does not equate to wisdom or good.....and being a unionist, nationalist or leave voter is not evil or stupid.
Have a good ya all.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by wolfieintheSeasideTown (U17286)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
Easy to blame whitey and racism for everything.
No responsibility needs to be taken.
And in vast parts of the world where whitey doesn't reside or govern.....?????????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's also easy to shrug it off and pretend it's not a problem.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And s such as that achieve what?
Of course racism exists, but not solely among white people....and crime, poverty etc is complex, as my second post suggested.
Shouting at whiteness is easy and kinda racist, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Racism isn't solely amongst white people. It does exist elsewhere in the world. That doesn't mean it isn't a problem.
It's like shrugging off peadophilia because there are necrophilliacs out there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I simp!y pointed out other reasons for failure, to expand debate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You say racism exists elsewhere, but anti- white racism is right here...sizzle for example, and in the States.
Until the sixties, people in the UK and Europe were not even thinking about being white,ffs.Now, one of the first questions on job applications asks folk to define their co!our.
So called melting pot is not always positive, as people divide and live separate lives, in the same town.
Social cohesion and community feeling is weakening now, as more people arrive, and demographics alter rapidly.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Up until the sixties, black and Asian people had to think about being black and Asian. Maybe the playing field is just levelling and you don't like it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I will clarify......white racism led to apartheid, slavery and second class treatment for African American's, until the sixties, and the racism experienced by white people is nothing by comparison.
I want us to be equal, and saying I do not like a level playing field is insulting, but your opinion .
I hate all racism and racist bullying ....end of.
My point was, people in the UK are now labelled racist by sizzle types, if they vote brexit, but until fifty years ago, we would not even have though about co!our, or calling ourselves white etc etc....rightly or wrongly, racial issues come from the multi- culturalism experiment.
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Why do you keep harking back to fifty years ago as if it was some sort of racial utopia?
Only 38 years ago we had the white versus black football match. Black footballers were openly abused by the crowd. So whilst white people didn't have to think about being white, maybe that was a bad thing.
Things have got better since then but now they are regressing again. If you want to remain blind to it or brush over it, you become part of the problem.
posted on 2/1/17
comment by thebluebellsareblue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
Morning bud.
I think you tease out more from my posts than I intended, in that I am christian and white, but not saying we did not use force and badly treat other people around the world.....like all empires and war, awful acts were done.
I love the fact we have people coming here and l have lived, socialized and worked in Brixton and Hounslow, with West Indian and Indian people, and I have met east European folk were n work in Belfast, and they are sound too.
I am just pointing out how we blame whitey too readily, possibly transferring the guilt of our ancestors?
IF I speak of white British faiilure at school,or work, iam told the white folk are thick and lazy,
Then, Morrocan failure is on our shoulders too, ffs....it is leftist gibberish and PC Iunacy, where white professors in US uni' s call for white genocide, praise white death in Haiti and think kill whites slogans are acceptable at pro- Hilary rallies.
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Morning tbab,
Re teasing out - no, it was more a general reflection than an individual one. As regards religion, I think you're agnostic, but do not discard you might be Jewish or Christian. Regarding race, I presume white (like myself), but neither are great concern to me.
My comment was more a reflection regarding the societies we live in. I myself, as you may have picked up by now, consider myself atheist. I do, however, hail from a Christian background and consider that my scale of values is largely -not entirely- based on those teachings.
I do think you have a point regarding racism in other communities. Even though I see this largely as a backlash, I don't think this should be used as an excuse.
Imo, what's crucial is to try and comprehend the other's reasons and motivations.
As I see it, living together in community is a kind of negotiation between different interests that are almost invariably compatible once we are capable of identifying what common ground there exists between us.
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