comment by Galvation. (U10415)
posted 8 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/sanglesey/status/854580175530594305
The front pages have already called anyone who dare oppose as 'saboteurs'
And in this one...
https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/854600099103682560/photo/1
'Rebels'
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Hardly untypical of the mail, reminiscent of a speech given by Stalin…
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Bestie (U1113)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 15 seconds ago
If the General Election was run purely on policies, it should be the Tories that are all but wiped out. But we all know it will be run on which media or newspaper can bad mouth Corbyn the most. It is such a joke, that for the first time in my life I shall not be voting. Total waste of time, when the media are so biased against one of the Leaders. The whole Election will be farcical, just as Brexit was. Personality politics is taking the country downhill rapidly.
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Not voting is never the answer! If the shambles of the media stop you voting against their candidate, that's a win for them.
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Whilst in general I would agree with you 100 per cent. Politics now has been reduced to such a gutter level, and where you have an electorate in general that are spoonfed constant lies, and they actually follow the rubbish spouted like sheep, I really do not want to be part of a system that is lacking in any kind of decent way forward that might actually benefit us all rather than a privileged few. It is like Turkeys voting for Christmas with the current set-up of Right Wing Media controlling the minds of the Electorate.
I prefer to stand aside, and watch from the sidelines as everything from Healthcare to Pensions starts to unravel around me, and the perpetrators garner even more votes.
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What I can't wrap my head around - at all - is the following:
1. People are lied to, wholesale, but believe the lies and cast their vote according to the false positions of the liars. (This bit I can understand.)
2a. The lies are exposed. Said voters complain and complain, deride modern politics and politicians. (This bit I can understand.)
3. Said voters return to the polls as soon as 12 months later and vote for the very same party/politicians!
What the holy fack?!
There is an alternative to 2a, which is even more baffling, and indeed very worrying indeed.
2b. The lies are exposed. Said voters refuse to acknowledge how the public has been misled by either defending the liars, refusing to engage with the evidence in front of them, or entirely burying theirs heads in the sand.
For me, the British electorate is politically incredibly illiterate, far too easily manipulated, too forgiving, forgetful and incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Galvation. (U10415)
posted 8 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/sanglesey/status/854580175530594305
The front pages have already called anyone who dare oppose as 'saboteurs'
And in this one...
https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/854600099103682560/photo/1
'Rebels'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hardly untypical of the mail, reminiscent of a speech given by Stalin…
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed.
That is not the language of a commentator that believes in the fundamental principles of democracy.
The Mail is a facking disgrace.
For me, the British electorate is politically incredibly illiterate, far too easily manipulated, too forgiving, forgetful and incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
You should add in far too arrogant and accepting of stupidity.
comment by Marjorie Keek (U3522)
posted 1 minute ago
For me, the British electorate is politically incredibly illiterate, far too easily manipulated, too forgiving, forgetful and incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
You should add in far too arrogant and accepting of stupidity.
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Elections here are essentially a popularity contest. Many people vote for whoever they think best resembles a PM and don't look at party manifestos, etc.
comment by Marjorie Keek (U3522)
posted 19 minutes ago
For me, the British electorate is politically incredibly illiterate, far too easily manipulated, too forgiving, forgetful and incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
You should add in far too arrogant and accepting of stupidity.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's do away with the voting completely.
The proposal: a televised cross between krypton factor and running man.
-candidates are set lose in a post apocalyptic wasteland (we could use Sunderland or Liverpool), where they have to fight their way past the mutants that live there. This would show who's strong enough to lead.
- candidates have to pass a series of cryptic puzzles. Such as how to extract money from giant parasites, who take take and take. This will show if they can make unpopular decisions for the good of the nation
- candidates will then have to deal with psycopathuc power hungry mutant warlords, from different areas. This will show their negotiation skills.
Thoughts?
Bestie
"I'm always wary of suggesting one type of governance is always better than another..."
An excellent post
I love it. Would much rather have that than the likes of the Sun and Mail poisoning the water hole with their vile agendas.
comment by Bestie (U1113)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 8 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Aaron ManyGuns (U20811)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 4 minutes ago
Simples - You vote Conservative or don't vote at all, maybe for your political ideology or maybe because there are no credible alternatives
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I will never vote for the Tory party as I fundamentally disagree with everything they stand for. There are alternatives, unless you believe all the spin from the media and the Blairites.
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Tamwolf, during the miner's strike of 1984/5 a miner stood up in front of the Conservative party conference that year, introduced his name and said"Working miner and a Conservative." The conference applauded him. Not all working people vote Labour and the Conservatives stand for freedom, not crippling high taxes and monetary restrictions like how much you can take abroad with you. They don't agree with high borrowing and having to pay back at a huge interest but rather we live within our means. The lower the taxes then the more money you have in your pocket.
Kinnock is a multi millionaire, Denis Healy sent his kids to fee paying schools and Blair is a 33rd degree Freemason, VERY rich to get there. Labour?Are they really?
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Conservatives believe in freedom? Give me a break
As for Conservatives not agreeing in borrowing, I think you will find they always have. They just are not honest about. The fact is that the Conservative party have borrowed more than the Labour party, and have always done.
Here have a look at the date between the two parties:
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/
Also look at the libertarian small government states, and their dire amount of public debt. Singapore and the US are prime examples of laissez faire economics, and how terrible they can be at creating debt. Compare that to Denmark or Finland, which are two high tax, large government countries, which have tiny government debt in comparison.
I have lived in both Finland and a little bit in Denmark. Their taxes are high, but there way of life is certainly more free than it is over here.
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Good post. I'm always wary of suggesting one type of governance is always better than another, but I certainly prefer the system they have here in Denmark to the consistently shrinking state back in Britain. It goes beyond what a poster above said about cutting taxes meaning you have more money in your pocket (which, while true in the short term is not necessarily the case in medium or long-term scenarios when macroeconomic effects come into play). It's about the overall quality of life that comes about as a result, and again it's a gain that one might not feel immediately. As the investment in the infrastructure is made, though, and high-quality, further education is available for free (which means the whole workforce is highly skilled) as well as an effective, organised health system. On top of that, they consistently run budget surpluses at present and - along with the rest of the nordic, high-tax, big state countries - have extremely high standards of living and world-leading economies in per capita terms. Plus they're incredibly clean, safe and big on renewable energy. I'm pretty tempted to move here full-time: at least I could see a much better future for my kids instead of going through a woeful school system, racking up £50k of debt at uni an then work 8-7 for the next decade of their lives they can go to world leading schools, head off to uni (which you receive a monthly grant to do), get a masters and get a job in a culture where working overtime and neglecting your work-life balance is disliked by employers.
As for the Conservatives being solid on the economy bceause of their platitudes and austerity: no. Very few academic economists support the idea that it's beneficial to press ahead with it - not to mention the fact that they're artificially shrinking the deficit (while still having created more new government debt since 2010 than every Labour government in history combined) through one-off privatisations of anything they can sell. Research the concept of fiscal multipliers for anyone who follows the "living within our means" platitude as if a country's economy is somehow comparable to a househould budget, and perhaps then you'll get an inkling as to why this deep austerity has consistently failed to bring about the results that have been promised in each budget.
I don't subscribe to the idea that the Tories believe their austerity is damaging but push ahead anyway to transfer wealth upwards. I do think, though, that they're shrinking the state as their primary goal and doing so under pretence of deficit fetishism - Simon Wren-Lewis on Mainly Macro regularly writes about this sort of thing. It also concerns me how much power some of their backers (and Murdoch) wield.
I also don't buy the "no alternative" spiel. Corbyn isn't perfect, of course, and some of his policies concern me - particularly his failure to create an advisory group of economists which had been promised. He's not a great strategist or speaker. However, I agree with lots of his values, I think he's a man of honesty, integrity and principle and I still find his approach - in PMQs he often comes across as a grow-up in a room of school children - a refreshing change. I liked his more truthful, nuanced discussion in the referendum (during which he attended more rallies and events than Cameron, Osborne and the fence-sitting May put together) rather than the lies emanating from other leaders. He probably won't win the election but I'd rather have him than the snake currently governing us. Plus his more co-operative attitude would almost certainly be better for making a deal with the EU than May's feeble attempts to come across as another kind of iron lady.
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There obviously isn't one right way of governing a country, but the nordic countries model has been a very good in growing their economies, services and infrastructure. They have the problems, particularly Finland which has had a tough time economically; dealing with sanctions on Russia, the struggling euro and the fall of Nokia. If you chose to move there, you can expect a difficult labour market, where there is a lot of competition for jobs. However, despite high VATs, the cost of living I found to be a lot lower in Helsinki than in London, due to cheaper rent and subsidised utilities.
I think we share the same opinion when it comes to the government's economic policies. I do think its ideologically driven, and they are aware of the harm it could bring. Although, I am suspicious that some of the austerity policies is a transfer of wealth upwards. Their quantitative easing would be a example of shifting public money towards the finance industry.
The issue Labour has is that they have to change the narrative on public debt, deficit and the economy, which the conservative government created under Cameron and Osborne. The problem is the message go "living within your means" resonates with the voters. Their narrative has been very harmful in that people believe the government's budget is someway comparable to a household ones. They should dispel this myth by presenting people of case studies, where in times of high public to GDP, many countries have managed to shrink this debt with investment to the economy.
I like Corbyn, but he is from perfect like you said. His policies are correct, but his public speaking and general leadership would need some work on. I will still vote for him though, because the alternative May is just dishonest and bad.
As a few have mentioned, personality seems to take precedent over policy nowadays. From the outset, Corbyn stood no chance.
Before his tweed suit ever made it to the dispatch box, the media had it in for him. Even BBC Newsnight mocked him, (superimposed a make Britain great again baseball cap on him for a piece). Can anyone imagine the outrage if similar was done to May...
Whilst I agree with a lot of what he says, Corbyn’s not a leader. At PMQ’s he’s been embarrassed by (an incompetent/misinformed) May time and again. Especially in regard to Brexit. Given the mess the government have found themselves in, (for example they still have no strategy how to manage future customs union requirements/costs) a strong opposition should have been tearing lumps out of the Tories.
It’s not as if the information is not known. Both the HoC’s select committees and the HoL’s have provided (multiple) damning assessments in regard to the government’s competence. Nevertheless, Labour (via a three way whip ordered by Corbyn) passed the Tory Brexit white paper without a single challenge.
And they claim to be “holding the government to account”
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I currently rewatching that series. One of the best shows created in this country in the last decade or so.
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What a boring article this has now become,I thought it was just an opinion poll !
Too many old windbags on here.
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 36 seconds ago
What a boring article this has now become,I thought it was just an opinion poll !
Too many old windbags on here.
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posted 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
What a boring article this has now become,I thought it was just an opinion poll !
Too many old windbags on here.
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I've got 2 tickets for Question Time baby?
Come with me Friday don't say maybe
I'm just a teenage whingebag like yoouu oooo
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Who's going to write Wenger out on their ballot papers?
Hopefully anyone thinking of voting Tory
comment by rossobianchi #EquipaLulaDaAlegria (U17054)
posted 17 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 36 seconds ago
What a boring article this has now become,I thought it was just an opinion poll !
Too many old windbags on here.
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I must have missed the serious debate..... All I can see is people deriding in any way they can, the party they don't vote for, as if their own is somehow morally superior to the other.
Face it, they really are as bad as each other, driven by individuals who are only interested in building a legacy for themselves, good or bad. The best example is Corbyn. Face it, he's simply unelectable, yet he stubbornly holds onto power, wiping out any chance of Labour achieving anything at the polls.
I've never voted Conservative, by the way.....
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi #EquipaLulaDaAlegria (U17054)
posted 17 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 36 seconds ago
What a boring article this has now become,I thought it was just an opinion poll !
Too many old windbags on here.
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I must have missed the serious debate..... All I can see is people deriding in any way they can, the party they don't vote for, as if their own is somehow morally superior to the other.
Face it, they really are as bad as each other, driven by individuals who are only interested in building a legacy for themselves, good or bad. The best example is Corbyn. Face it, he's simply unelectable, yet he stubbornly holds onto power, wiping out any chance of Labour achieving anything at the polls.
I've never voted Conservative, by the way.....
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Why is Corbyn unelectable. We hear this ridiculous sound bite every day, but completely devoid of any reasoning. He has very sound policies on everything from health to housing. So to just to follow the media line that he is simply unelectable is so bloody lazy. Give some reasons to back up this statement, other than he may not dress like a toff.
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posted on 19/4/17
comment by Galvation. (U10415)
posted 8 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/sanglesey/status/854580175530594305
The front pages have already called anyone who dare oppose as 'saboteurs'
And in this one...
https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/854600099103682560/photo/1
'Rebels'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hardly untypical of the mail, reminiscent of a speech given by Stalin…
posted on 19/4/17
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Bestie (U1113)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 15 seconds ago
If the General Election was run purely on policies, it should be the Tories that are all but wiped out. But we all know it will be run on which media or newspaper can bad mouth Corbyn the most. It is such a joke, that for the first time in my life I shall not be voting. Total waste of time, when the media are so biased against one of the Leaders. The whole Election will be farcical, just as Brexit was. Personality politics is taking the country downhill rapidly.
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Not voting is never the answer! If the shambles of the media stop you voting against their candidate, that's a win for them.
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Whilst in general I would agree with you 100 per cent. Politics now has been reduced to such a gutter level, and where you have an electorate in general that are spoonfed constant lies, and they actually follow the rubbish spouted like sheep, I really do not want to be part of a system that is lacking in any kind of decent way forward that might actually benefit us all rather than a privileged few. It is like Turkeys voting for Christmas with the current set-up of Right Wing Media controlling the minds of the Electorate.
I prefer to stand aside, and watch from the sidelines as everything from Healthcare to Pensions starts to unravel around me, and the perpetrators garner even more votes.
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What I can't wrap my head around - at all - is the following:
1. People are lied to, wholesale, but believe the lies and cast their vote according to the false positions of the liars. (This bit I can understand.)
2a. The lies are exposed. Said voters complain and complain, deride modern politics and politicians. (This bit I can understand.)
3. Said voters return to the polls as soon as 12 months later and vote for the very same party/politicians!
What the holy fack?!
There is an alternative to 2a, which is even more baffling, and indeed very worrying indeed.
2b. The lies are exposed. Said voters refuse to acknowledge how the public has been misled by either defending the liars, refusing to engage with the evidence in front of them, or entirely burying theirs heads in the sand.
For me, the British electorate is politically incredibly illiterate, far too easily manipulated, too forgiving, forgetful and incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
posted on 19/4/17
*their heads
posted on 19/4/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Galvation. (U10415)
posted 8 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/sanglesey/status/854580175530594305
The front pages have already called anyone who dare oppose as 'saboteurs'
And in this one...
https://twitter.com/SunApology/status/854600099103682560/photo/1
'Rebels'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hardly untypical of the mail, reminiscent of a speech given by Stalin…
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Indeed.
That is not the language of a commentator that believes in the fundamental principles of democracy.
The Mail is a facking disgrace.
posted on 19/4/17
For me, the British electorate is politically incredibly illiterate, far too easily manipulated, too forgiving, forgetful and incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
You should add in far too arrogant and accepting of stupidity.
posted on 19/4/17
comment by Marjorie Keek (U3522)
posted 1 minute ago
For me, the British electorate is politically incredibly illiterate, far too easily manipulated, too forgiving, forgetful and incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
You should add in far too arrogant and accepting of stupidity.
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Elections here are essentially a popularity contest. Many people vote for whoever they think best resembles a PM and don't look at party manifestos, etc.
posted on 19/4/17
comment by Marjorie Keek (U3522)
posted 19 minutes ago
For me, the British electorate is politically incredibly illiterate, far too easily manipulated, too forgiving, forgetful and incapable of seeing the wood for the trees.
You should add in far too arrogant and accepting of stupidity.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 19/4/17
Let's do away with the voting completely.
The proposal: a televised cross between krypton factor and running man.
-candidates are set lose in a post apocalyptic wasteland (we could use Sunderland or Liverpool), where they have to fight their way past the mutants that live there. This would show who's strong enough to lead.
- candidates have to pass a series of cryptic puzzles. Such as how to extract money from giant parasites, who take take and take. This will show if they can make unpopular decisions for the good of the nation
- candidates will then have to deal with psycopathuc power hungry mutant warlords, from different areas. This will show their negotiation skills.
Thoughts?
posted on 19/4/17
Bestie
"I'm always wary of suggesting one type of governance is always better than another..."
An excellent post
posted on 19/4/17
I love it. Would much rather have that than the likes of the Sun and Mail poisoning the water hole with their vile agendas.
posted on 19/4/17
comment by Bestie (U1113)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 8 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Aaron ManyGuns (U20811)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by puffinthebushkangaroo (U1950)
posted 4 minutes ago
Simples - You vote Conservative or don't vote at all, maybe for your political ideology or maybe because there are no credible alternatives
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I will never vote for the Tory party as I fundamentally disagree with everything they stand for. There are alternatives, unless you believe all the spin from the media and the Blairites.
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Tamwolf, during the miner's strike of 1984/5 a miner stood up in front of the Conservative party conference that year, introduced his name and said"Working miner and a Conservative." The conference applauded him. Not all working people vote Labour and the Conservatives stand for freedom, not crippling high taxes and monetary restrictions like how much you can take abroad with you. They don't agree with high borrowing and having to pay back at a huge interest but rather we live within our means. The lower the taxes then the more money you have in your pocket.
Kinnock is a multi millionaire, Denis Healy sent his kids to fee paying schools and Blair is a 33rd degree Freemason, VERY rich to get there. Labour?Are they really?
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Conservatives believe in freedom? Give me a break
As for Conservatives not agreeing in borrowing, I think you will find they always have. They just are not honest about. The fact is that the Conservative party have borrowed more than the Labour party, and have always done.
Here have a look at the date between the two parties:
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/13/the-conservatives-have-been-the-biggest-borrowers-over-the-last-70-years/
Also look at the libertarian small government states, and their dire amount of public debt. Singapore and the US are prime examples of laissez faire economics, and how terrible they can be at creating debt. Compare that to Denmark or Finland, which are two high tax, large government countries, which have tiny government debt in comparison.
I have lived in both Finland and a little bit in Denmark. Their taxes are high, but there way of life is certainly more free than it is over here.
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Good post. I'm always wary of suggesting one type of governance is always better than another, but I certainly prefer the system they have here in Denmark to the consistently shrinking state back in Britain. It goes beyond what a poster above said about cutting taxes meaning you have more money in your pocket (which, while true in the short term is not necessarily the case in medium or long-term scenarios when macroeconomic effects come into play). It's about the overall quality of life that comes about as a result, and again it's a gain that one might not feel immediately. As the investment in the infrastructure is made, though, and high-quality, further education is available for free (which means the whole workforce is highly skilled) as well as an effective, organised health system. On top of that, they consistently run budget surpluses at present and - along with the rest of the nordic, high-tax, big state countries - have extremely high standards of living and world-leading economies in per capita terms. Plus they're incredibly clean, safe and big on renewable energy. I'm pretty tempted to move here full-time: at least I could see a much better future for my kids instead of going through a woeful school system, racking up £50k of debt at uni an then work 8-7 for the next decade of their lives they can go to world leading schools, head off to uni (which you receive a monthly grant to do), get a masters and get a job in a culture where working overtime and neglecting your work-life balance is disliked by employers.
As for the Conservatives being solid on the economy bceause of their platitudes and austerity: no. Very few academic economists support the idea that it's beneficial to press ahead with it - not to mention the fact that they're artificially shrinking the deficit (while still having created more new government debt since 2010 than every Labour government in history combined) through one-off privatisations of anything they can sell. Research the concept of fiscal multipliers for anyone who follows the "living within our means" platitude as if a country's economy is somehow comparable to a househould budget, and perhaps then you'll get an inkling as to why this deep austerity has consistently failed to bring about the results that have been promised in each budget.
I don't subscribe to the idea that the Tories believe their austerity is damaging but push ahead anyway to transfer wealth upwards. I do think, though, that they're shrinking the state as their primary goal and doing so under pretence of deficit fetishism - Simon Wren-Lewis on Mainly Macro regularly writes about this sort of thing. It also concerns me how much power some of their backers (and Murdoch) wield.
I also don't buy the "no alternative" spiel. Corbyn isn't perfect, of course, and some of his policies concern me - particularly his failure to create an advisory group of economists which had been promised. He's not a great strategist or speaker. However, I agree with lots of his values, I think he's a man of honesty, integrity and principle and I still find his approach - in PMQs he often comes across as a grow-up in a room of school children - a refreshing change. I liked his more truthful, nuanced discussion in the referendum (during which he attended more rallies and events than Cameron, Osborne and the fence-sitting May put together) rather than the lies emanating from other leaders. He probably won't win the election but I'd rather have him than the snake currently governing us. Plus his more co-operative attitude would almost certainly be better for making a deal with the EU than May's feeble attempts to come across as another kind of iron lady.
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There obviously isn't one right way of governing a country, but the nordic countries model has been a very good in growing their economies, services and infrastructure. They have the problems, particularly Finland which has had a tough time economically; dealing with sanctions on Russia, the struggling euro and the fall of Nokia. If you chose to move there, you can expect a difficult labour market, where there is a lot of competition for jobs. However, despite high VATs, the cost of living I found to be a lot lower in Helsinki than in London, due to cheaper rent and subsidised utilities.
I think we share the same opinion when it comes to the government's economic policies. I do think its ideologically driven, and they are aware of the harm it could bring. Although, I am suspicious that some of the austerity policies is a transfer of wealth upwards. Their quantitative easing would be a example of shifting public money towards the finance industry.
The issue Labour has is that they have to change the narrative on public debt, deficit and the economy, which the conservative government created under Cameron and Osborne. The problem is the message go "living within your means" resonates with the voters. Their narrative has been very harmful in that people believe the government's budget is someway comparable to a household ones. They should dispel this myth by presenting people of case studies, where in times of high public to GDP, many countries have managed to shrink this debt with investment to the economy.
I like Corbyn, but he is from perfect like you said. His policies are correct, but his public speaking and general leadership would need some work on. I will still vote for him though, because the alternative May is just dishonest and bad.
posted on 19/4/17
As a few have mentioned, personality seems to take precedent over policy nowadays. From the outset, Corbyn stood no chance.
Before his tweed suit ever made it to the dispatch box, the media had it in for him. Even BBC Newsnight mocked him, (superimposed a make Britain great again baseball cap on him for a piece). Can anyone imagine the outrage if similar was done to May...
Whilst I agree with a lot of what he says, Corbyn’s not a leader. At PMQ’s he’s been embarrassed by (an incompetent/misinformed) May time and again. Especially in regard to Brexit. Given the mess the government have found themselves in, (for example they still have no strategy how to manage future customs union requirements/costs) a strong opposition should have been tearing lumps out of the Tories.
It’s not as if the information is not known. Both the HoC’s select committees and the HoL’s have provided (multiple) damning assessments in regard to the government’s competence. Nevertheless, Labour (via a three way whip ordered by Corbyn) passed the Tory Brexit white paper without a single challenge.
And they claim to be “holding the government to account”
posted on 19/4/17
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posted on 19/4/17
I currently rewatching that series. One of the best shows created in this country in the last decade or so.
posted on 19/4/17
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posted on 19/4/17
What a boring article this has now become,I thought it was just an opinion poll !
Too many old windbags on here.
posted on 19/4/17
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 36 seconds ago
What a boring article this has now become,I thought it was just an opinion poll !
Too many old windbags on here.
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Not interested on serious political commentary/debate?
What would liven things up for you?
posted on 19/4/17
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
What a boring article this has now become,I thought it was just an opinion poll !
Too many old windbags on here.
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I've got 2 tickets for Question Time baby?
Come with me Friday don't say maybe
I'm just a teenage whingebag like yoouu oooo
posted on 19/4/17
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posted on 19/4/17
Who's going to write Wenger out on their ballot papers?
posted on 19/4/17
Hopefully anyone thinking of voting Tory
posted on 20/4/17
comment by rossobianchi #EquipaLulaDaAlegria (U17054)
posted 17 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 36 seconds ago
What a boring article this has now become,I thought it was just an opinion poll !
Too many old windbags on here.
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What would liven things up for you?
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I must have missed the serious debate..... All I can see is people deriding in any way they can, the party they don't vote for, as if their own is somehow morally superior to the other.
Face it, they really are as bad as each other, driven by individuals who are only interested in building a legacy for themselves, good or bad. The best example is Corbyn. Face it, he's simply unelectable, yet he stubbornly holds onto power, wiping out any chance of Labour achieving anything at the polls.
I've never voted Conservative, by the way.....
posted on 20/4/17
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
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comment by rossobianchi #EquipaLulaDaAlegria (U17054)
posted 17 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 36 seconds ago
What a boring article this has now become,I thought it was just an opinion poll !
Too many old windbags on here.
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Not interested on serious political commentary/debate?
What would liven things up for you?
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I must have missed the serious debate..... All I can see is people deriding in any way they can, the party they don't vote for, as if their own is somehow morally superior to the other.
Face it, they really are as bad as each other, driven by individuals who are only interested in building a legacy for themselves, good or bad. The best example is Corbyn. Face it, he's simply unelectable, yet he stubbornly holds onto power, wiping out any chance of Labour achieving anything at the polls.
I've never voted Conservative, by the way.....
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Why is Corbyn unelectable. We hear this ridiculous sound bite every day, but completely devoid of any reasoning. He has very sound policies on everything from health to housing. So to just to follow the media line that he is simply unelectable is so bloody lazy. Give some reasons to back up this statement, other than he may not dress like a toff.
posted on 20/4/17
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posted on 20/4/17
So...May is refusing to do televised debates?
You have to ask why?
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