comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 3 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
He's back to chat absolute twaddle about Labour again
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He IS a labour voter don't you know
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Like most of the country I was when big Tony was at the helm.

I don't think Sir Kier will be providing GB with that feel good factor we got on that sunny May morning in 97.


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It does not count if you voted for Labour and they won, got power, and governed for a decade apparently.😊

Much better being in eternal righteous opposition.😂

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 6 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 minute ago
Meat should never be banned, restricted? Yes!, Kept naturally? Yes!, Fed on pasture, which supports butterflies and thousands of different kinds of insects and native wildflowers? Yes!

Not spending 18 months in a shed, being pumped full of Soy, and in some countries growth hormones, routine chemical treatments to address foot rot, worm burdens and all other sorts of nasties that result from the way we keep them.


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As I mentioned earlier, I think it will be banned eventually. And partly because society will want it.
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I'm sure it will always be available to those who can afford it.
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Part of my point is that people won't want it. It wasn't long ago we would hunt ourselves and accepted the death of an animal as necessary. Today it isn't necessary and if we had to kill ourselves I bet a third of the population would be veggie overnight. 😂
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What would people hunt in the UK? Rats? Badgers? Oh, foxes. Good eating them. That island has been played out for centuries.
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Loads of cows, pigs, chickens and sheep.
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That's not hunting.FSThat's slaughter.
You ever hunted anything besides poosay?
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Bout ye big yin.

Hope mum is recovering and you are surviving.

comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 7 hours, 30 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 2 minutes ago
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posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 30 minutes ago
Whilst recognising historical contributions (both good and bad) is important, retrospectively applying modern social standards to those of 70/80 years ago is pointless.
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Recognising what you said, at what point do we apply these modern standards then? are we not in modern times now?
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Different standards take different times
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But right now,,in this time, racism past or present is being called out for what it is/was..he's no different.
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And so it should be. But the judgement on people from the 40's shouldn't be the same as the people of today. We now know better/more/other ways.

To put it another way, I really do believe that in a few centuries time (if we haven't cooked or killed ourselves) vegetarianism will be normal and meat eating banned. Meat is murder will be the mantra... which has truth to it. However, most of us eat meat, so should we be dismissed as terrible humans because we eat meat?
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I feel it is more the way we treat animals for food production that will be looked upon poorly as opposed to just eating meat.

But we will be tolerating/accepting things right now that in a few decades will be considered abhorrent.

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Taliban govt, women's fitba and Love Island.🤨

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 hours, 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
Whilst recognising historical contributions (both good and bad) is important, retrospectively applying modern social standards to those of 70/80 years ago is pointless.


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Fair & balanced post mate
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Agreed.

Wwspd has learned all he knows from yours truly.🤩

Oh here he is

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 10 hours, 22 minutes ago
Priti Patel wanted to starve the Irish.
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So do EU.😉

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 35 seconds ago
Oh here he is
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How's it hanging?

Starmer or Burnham....who is best placed to lead Labour and remove Blondie?

I go Burnham, if I was allowed to vote Labour in NI.

comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted 10 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about a minute ago
comment by ttliv87 (U11882)
posted about a minute ago
If you support what the shop did then you think he did more bad than good. If you genuinely believe that I would like you to come out and admit it instead of hiding behind some copout "just trying to bring balance" argument.
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Do you take this stance with TBAB?
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What's TBAB been up to?
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I done nuttin

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 hours, 11 minutes ago
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/08/real-tories-will-never-forgive-boris-turning-party-blue-labour/

Socialism

Corbyn won the argument
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Just not the election.

UK voters tend to be centre right, and so accepted that style of Labour party, I guess.

Millions did not trust Corbyn and his policies.

Tories are now going more state interventionist, in large part due to covid, furlough aid etc.

Needs must, and take what is best from capitalism and socialism, in my book of balance.😊

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 35 seconds ago
Oh here he is
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How's it hanging?

Starmer or Burnham....who is best placed to lead Labour and remove Blondie?

I go Burnham, if I was allowed to vote Labour in NI.

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😏

Starmer is the leader of the opposition so it's obviously him.

It's great that Burnham has gone back to local politics and got the fire back but if we fail at the next election then the party needs to grow a backbone and address the elephant in the room of brexit.

Hillary Benn or Yvette Cooper would be better leaders than Burnham imo

comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 11 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 19 seconds ago
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posted 5 seconds ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 3 minutes ago
Daily mail readers are currently losing their minds because some charity in the name of Winston Churchill has taken his 1st name off due to him basically being a racist etc.....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9971917/Storm-Winston-Churchill-charity-erases-website-views-race-controversy.html



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Quite apt you post that now. Some posts about how left and right use inflammatory language to point score and a charity changes its name because the left compares Churchill to Hitler and you say he's basically a racist. 🤦‍♂️😂
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I posted it now because it's literally top of the page on the DM...and yeah, he was a racist, that not an opinion, that's a fact, from his own mouth and from his own words that he wrote.
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And is that how he should be judged? Simply, he was a racist.
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No one said he is being judged as simply as racist..most the UK actually think he's a hero
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For standing up to racist Germans.😉

No excuse, but virtually everyone was racist in the era of Churchill, and even Ghandi was far right on race.

Humans are racial, tribal, pass remarkable, judgemental, ageist, fattist, prejudiced on hair colour, accent, wealth, size of house and car, belief in God, being an infidel or atheist, being left wing or right wing, leave or remain.

Modern day politics now correctly frowns upon racism, but we have replaced that with many more reasons to hate our neighbours.

Progress.🤔

comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
That's fairly laughable!
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Welcome back BH; hope all is well with you and yours 😃

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 35 seconds ago
Oh here he is
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How's it hanging?

Starmer or Burnham....who is best placed to lead Labour and remove Blondie?

I go Burnham, if I was allowed to vote Labour in NI.

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😏

Starmer is the leader of the opposition so it's obviously him.

It's great that Burnham has gone back to local politics and got the fire back but if we fail at the next election then the party needs to grow a backbone and address the elephant in the room of brexit.

Hillary Benn or Yvette Cooper would be better leaders than Burnham imo
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I do not think Starmer cuts the mustard, but he has a good mind and as you say, he is leader.

Brexit is done, right or wrong, it has passed and I do not see it as being the elephant in the room, when it is reality....timing is everything.

Not sure about Benn or Cooper being better leaders...Benn was remain to the core, similar to the lib dems, who got wiped out, so if an anti- Brexit voice (after the horse has bolted) is what is required to lead Labour well, then the jury is out, imo.

Burnham is more working class, northern and of Labour roots, compared to Starmer, Corbyn or Benn, so perhaps going back to basics is necessary now for Labour?

Cooper would be popular as first female leader, so that may be a plan in future, and she seems ok to me.

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
That's fairly laughable!
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Welcome back BH; hope all is well with you and yours 😃
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Plagiarism pal, lol.

Howareya.😍

comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 12 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I refugee from Guantanamo Bay Dance around the border like I'm Cassius Clay (U1282)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 13 hours, 21 minutes ago
Never liked him as a TV celeb, but I quite enjoy Russell Brands stuff on YouTube. Here a link when he debates Candace Owens... that combination is probably enough to stop most of you. 😂

https://youtu.be/TB7dQh_TpUc


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Interesting observation from Brand around 5:14 mark where he accuses her of mistranslating what he said into something she can argue with because she can't argue with what he actually said. Something that is common with a certain section of the proverbial political divide and which I've mentioned on here before.
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I noticed that too, she also talked over him really quite a lot.

Jeff Bezos is socialist
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One thing that Owens and her ilk absolutely excel at and now go to as their default mode when debating policy and ideas is use of the false dichotomy: everyone, every model, every idea and every single policy is exclusively either;

- conservative, and in favour of completely unrestricted free-market capitalism, or
- scary revolutionary socialist, and part of a plan to impose rule by diktat and strip away all personal freedoms.

Brand *almost* calls her out on it, instead trying to explain that she’s putting words in his mouth in order to misrepresent his views and that there are different paths to the one she’s describing. But I wish people *would* call right wing commentators out on it. There isn’t enough rigorous analysis in or of these kind of debates. That’s part of the reason why I detest the podcast interview; everything happens at 100mph, words and ideas get thrown around, momentum carries one way or another, and people declare their own ‘winner’ when really nothing robust or useful might have been said, and no statement has been logically interrogated.

“You must adhere to all of our views, otherwise you’re a communist!” They’ve used it because it works: polarisation has always historically helped the right. They paint a clear picture or pictures of the ‘enemy of the people’, then apply the label and/or stereotypes to discredit their detractors (meaning anyone who interrogates their arguments).

The art of the argument has been lost and replaced with carelessly-formed and mindlessly repeated ideological drivel.
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I agree with your sentiment, but I think it applies to both sides. They are both as bad as each other in this regard.
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Balance.🙄

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 35 seconds ago
Oh here he is
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How's it hanging?

Starmer or Burnham....who is best placed to lead Labour and remove Blondie?

I go Burnham, if I was allowed to vote Labour in NI.

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😏

Starmer is the leader of the opposition so it's obviously him.

It's great that Burnham has gone back to local politics and got the fire back but if we fail at the next election then the party needs to grow a backbone and address the elephant in the room of brexit.

Hillary Benn or Yvette Cooper would be better leaders than Burnham imo
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Got a lot of time for Yvette Cooper. Clearly competent and an experienced parliamentarian respected across the house.

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
That's fairly laughable!
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Welcome back BH; hope all is well with you and yours 😃
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Plagiarism pal, lol.

Howareya.😍
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Looking forward to sat navs next booze and bitchezzzz session 😃

comment by Zachsda( I stand with Heart and Hand) (U1850)
posted 15 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - I refugee from Guantanamo... (U1282)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Zachsda( I stand with Heart and Hand) (U1850)
posted 15 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Ross O'Bianchi (U17054)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? McDonald’s Milkshake connoisseur (U3126)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
Another benefit of not being bound by EU bureaucracy

https://news.sky.com/story/exclusive-ministers-bowed-to-pressure-to-drop-key-climate-commitments-for-uk-trade-deal-with-australia-12401988
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Absolute disgrace.

Bowing to demands from the administration of a climate change-denying, coal promoting proven liar with vested interests in the fossil fuel lobby governing a country with half the economic clout of the UK on matters relating to the biggest existential threat to mankind’s future in order to secure a trade deal estimated to be worth over 15 years 0.01 to 0.02% of GDP.

It’d be hilarious if it wasn’t so facking tragic.
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They desperately needed a flag/deal to wave
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Another thing that was predicted to result from Brexit. The negotiating position is weaker and the other guys can smell the desperation from across the negotiating table.
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That was a fairly obvious flaw
The Australians have watched Truss preen herself and “announce” this deal
She was painted into a corner
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I was painted into a corner once, and to Crown it all, the paint was green, white n gold.

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 hour, 39 minutes ago
That's fairly laughable!
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Welcome back BH; hope all is well with you and yours 😃
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Plagiarism pal, lol.

Howareya.😍
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Looking forward to sat navs next booze and bitchezzzz session 😃
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My kinda party....I wish.🤣

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 hours, 11 minutes ago
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/08/real-tories-will-never-forgive-boris-turning-party-blue-labour/

Socialism

Corbyn won the argument
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Just not the election.

UK voters tend to be centre right, and so accepted that style of Labour party, I guess.

Millions did not trust Corbyn and his policies.

Tories are now going more state interventionist, in large part due to covid, furlough aid etc.

Needs must, and take what is best from capitalism and socialism, in my book of balance.😊
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Just for the record, again, at manifesto level, Corbyn’s policies consistently polled much better than May’s and Boris’s.

I will give you the fact that the people did not trust the man or his front bench.

Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 35% (+1)
CON: 33% (-5)
LDEM: 10% (+2)

via @YouGov
Chgs. w/ 03 Sep

First poll to have Labour in the lead since last January.

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 35 seconds ago
Oh here he is
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How's it hanging?

Starmer or Burnham....who is best placed to lead Labour and remove Blondie?

I go Burnham, if I was allowed to vote Labour in NI.

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😏

Starmer is the leader of the opposition so it's obviously him.

It's great that Burnham has gone back to local politics and got the fire back but if we fail at the next election then the party needs to grow a backbone and address the elephant in the room of brexit.

Hillary Benn or Yvette Cooper would be better leaders than Burnham imo
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Got a lot of time for Yvette Cooper. Clearly competent and an experienced parliamentarian respected across the house.
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Seconded.

Time for bojo to go.

As Eric Morecambe said,," the boys a fool"

Or was it captain Mannering who put it more succinctly, "Stupid boy".

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 minute ago
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 35% (+1)
CON: 33% (-5)
LDEM: 10% (+2)

via @YouGov
Chgs. w/ 03 Sep

First poll to have Labour in the lead since last January.
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At last, the fat tw@t might be on his way to join Dave with his trotters up.

This could ruin Scots Indy, Bmcl?

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 3 minutes ago
Westminster voting intention:

LAB: 35% (+1)
CON: 33% (-5)
LDEM: 10% (+2)

via @YouGov
Chgs. w/ 03 Sep

First poll to have Labour in the lead since last January.
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Even though yougov are right wingers too.😉

Daily Express front page headline tomorrow:

‘MIGRANTS WILL BE TURNED BACK TO FRANCE’

Followed by:

‘HISTORY MAKER! Emma storms into US Open semi-finals!’

Emma Raducanu was born in Canada, to a Romanian father and a Chinese mother. Her family moved to London when she was two.