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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
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On a serious note I’m still undecided about whether I go auto or manual next time. Currently have a manual, had an auto before that.
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I’ve only been manual until my car arrives which is auto. I do worry about not enjoying it as much as a manual but the gear boxes these days are incredible and I think the practicality far outweighs anything else.
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Aye and it also depends on whether I’d want my wife driving the car. She was learning but in an automatic so when she gets back to it and passes it’s either;
A) we have and share an auto
B) I get her an auto runaround while I have the manual
The point is that both people on here and the Labour politicians both just point the finger at the Tories and expect that to change the electorate’s vote
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I don't do it expecting anyone to change their vote. That's not why people post on forums. If I wanted to influence the electorate I wouldn't do it on JA606. That's crap.
Labour are a known quantity and we know what they stand for and how they might act in situations. I dont know what you expect them to say. Unless they abandonntheir core values they won't win an election with this electorate at the minute, situation created by many reasons and circumstances. Perhaps Labour voters just aren't willing to compromise their beliefs and values for the sake of winning an election unlike the other guys.
The criticism Labour have levelled at the government hasn’t been uncalled for. There are numerous fook ups both before and during the pandemic. The same for the criticism they get on here. People like Sat Nav et al claim they don’t vote Conservative and acknowledge they’re a load of shiite but embark on whataboutery and bring up Labour when the government are rightly criticised. It’s weird.
Labour can do better simply by not being corrupt and bigotted, and all around a good job has been done exposing the Tories for the corrupt skumbags that they are and poor leadership they continue to provide.
There are some issues that override other issues and carry more weight when it comes to the electorate. Fact is labour can go up or or down left or right but unless labour become more hard-line on issues like immigration and also be a bit racist they won't win an election anytime soon. They could also do what the Tories do and just be populist about every single public or social incident, condemn knee taking, say sweet stuff that people want to hear even if its not true like there's no racism, start proposing to switch to imperial system before the Tories do it, start shaagging the flag etc.
Get in power/stay in power, fack what you have to do or say, just stay in there. Thankfully I can't see that ever happening with labour.
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour can do better simply by not being corrupt and bigotted, and all around a good job has been done exposing the Tories for the corrupt skumbags that they are and poor leadership they continue to provide.
There are some issues that override other issues and carry more weight when it comes to the electorate. Fact is labour can go up or or down left or right but unless labour become more hard-line on issues like immigration and also be a bit racist they won't win an election anytime soon. They could also do what the Tories do and just be populist about every single public or social incident, condemn knee taking, say sweet stuff that people want to hear even if its not true like there's no racism, start proposing to switch to imperial system before the Tories do it, start shaagging the flag etc.
Get in power/stay in power, fack what you have to do or say, just stay in there. Thankfully I can't see that ever happening with labour.
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You are more likely to vote Conservative from age 40 up to 70+ according to stats in the last election. 49% of the population is 40+. It isn’t Labour being ineffective and more the Tories have a bigger share of the voting market based on age demographics once you also factor in those who vote Tory who are 40 and under.
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posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour can do better simply by not being corrupt and bigotted, and all around a good job has been done exposing the Tories for the corrupt skumbags that they are and poor leadership they continue to provide.
There are some issues that override other issues and carry more weight when it comes to the electorate. Fact is labour can go up or or down left or right but unless labour become more hard-line on issues like immigration and also be a bit racist they won't win an election anytime soon. They could also do what the Tories do and just be populist about every single public or social incident, condemn knee taking, say sweet stuff that people want to hear even if its not true like there's no racism, start proposing to switch to imperial system before the Tories do it, start shaagging the flag etc.
Get in power/stay in power, fack what you have to do or say, just stay in there. Thankfully I can't see that ever happening with labour.
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You are more likely to vote Conservative from age 40 up to 70+ according to stats in the last election. 49% of the population is 40+. It isn’t Labour being ineffective and more the Tories have a bigger share of the voting market based on age demographics once you also factor in those who vote Tory who are 40 and under.
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We need to let 3 year olds vote to make it fair.
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You’ll finally be able to vote than
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comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 16 hours, 50 minutes ago
🚨 | NEW: Boris Johnson is to announce the return of imperial weights and measures, making it legal for market stalls, shops and supermarkets to sell their goods using only Britain’s traditional weighing system post-Brexit
Via @thetimes
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Saw this pop up in my FB feed; honestly thought it was an actual joke.
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Every single little measure that can possibly be taken to fack the economy over even more
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 minutes ago
The onus is on the opposition is to present a credible alternative for the electorate; Labour have failed to do this since 2007.
Pointing at the Tories and writing lists as we see is above is not going to win over the electorate.
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I don't see labour leadership posting on here. We're just guys on a forum so you can't really throw this crap at people because they criticise the current government.
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It was referencing the Tory vs Labour discussion and why Tory voters keep voting them in as opposed to Labour so it was entirely relevant and not crap at all
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Youu specifically referenced what was posted on this thread like it's anyone here's responsibility
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No I didn’t. Plus, as you added, you might be the Labour leader (it would explain the gross failing both on here and in Labour’s performance 😂 just bantering buddy)
The point is that both people on here and the Labour politicians both just point the finger at the Tories and expect that to change the electorate’s vote; it hasn’t since 2007 so I don’t see why it would going forward.
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Tory MPs still point the finger at blair and the previous labour government, they refuse to take responsibility for their 11 years of failure.
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How does that relate to getting in?
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour can do better simply by not being corrupt and bigotted, and all around a good job has been done exposing the Tories for the corrupt skumbags that they are and poor leadership they continue to provide.
There are some issues that override other issues and carry more weight when it comes to the electorate. Fact is labour can go up or or down left or right but unless labour become more hard-line on issues like immigration and also be a bit racist they won't win an election anytime soon. They could also do what the Tories do and just be populist about every single public or social incident, condemn knee taking, say sweet stuff that people want to hear even if its not true like there's no racism, start proposing to switch to imperial system before the Tories do it, start shaagging the flag etc.
Get in power/stay in power, fack what you have to do or say, just stay in there. Thankfully I can't see that ever happening with labour.
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You are more likely to vote Conservative from age 40 up to 70+ according to stats in the last election. 49% of the population is 40+. It isn’t Labour being ineffective and more the Tories have a bigger share of the voting market based on age demographics once you also factor in those who vote Tory who are 40 and under.
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Is that stat reflected in past elections, or just the last one?
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The last one but I’d hazard a guess it’s a pattern.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
The point is that both people on here and the Labour politicians both just point the finger at the Tories and expect that to change the electorate’s vote
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I don't do it expecting anyone to change their vote. That's not why people post on forums. If I wanted to influence the electorate I wouldn't do it on JA606. That's crap.
Labour are a known quantity and we know what they stand for and how they might act in situations. I dont know what you expect them to say. Unless they abandonntheir core values they won't win an election with this electorate at the minute, situation created by many reasons and circumstances. Perhaps Labour voters just aren't willing to compromise their beliefs and values for the sake of winning an election unlike the other guys.
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Crouchy can explain it to you, he understands what I’m saying
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Not sure I do
But I think the first step post 2016 maybe (post 2019 certainly) was people turning away from the Tories... Now that's happening to some extent it's up to labour to win them over
There won't be a progressive alliance and theres all sorts of "far left" trouble makers so won't be easy
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour can do better simply by not being corrupt and bigotted, and all around a good job has been done exposing the Tories for the corrupt skumbags that they are and poor leadership they continue to provide.
There are some issues that override other issues and carry more weight when it comes to the electorate. Fact is labour can go up or or down left or right but unless labour become more hard-line on issues like immigration and also be a bit racist they won't win an election anytime soon. They could also do what the Tories do and just be populist about every single public or social incident, condemn knee taking, say sweet stuff that people want to hear even if its not true like there's no racism, start proposing to switch to imperial system before the Tories do it, start shaagging the flag etc.
Get in power/stay in power, fack what you have to do or say, just stay in there. Thankfully I can't see that ever happening with labour.
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You are more likely to vote Conservative from age 40 up to 70+ according to stats in the last election. 49% of the population is 40+. It isn’t Labour being ineffective and more the Tories have a bigger share of the voting market based on age demographics once you also factor in those who vote Tory who are 40 and under.
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Is that stat reflected in past elections, or just the last one?
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The last one but I’d hazard a guess it’s a pattern.
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It is a pattern, but that age at which you are likely to vote Tory is rising all the time,
It generally coincides with actually feeling like you have something in life to protect, such as home ownership, it's been week documented on here that millenials are not shifting to conservatism as people have traditionally done, anyone aged 38? And under is a millenial/post millenial.
Those two groups are extremely pro social democratic policies, probably because conservatism has locked them out of asset ownership, pensions, and proper disposable incomes.
Neoliberalism is essentially devouring itself at this point, be it 3 years from now or 30 years from now, on its current course it's both economically and politically unsustainable.
Also, let's not forget plenty of old folk still like labour, there's been other big issues, such as brexit, the brexit party splitting the labour vote, by only standing in their seats etc.
Blind polling of Corbyns 2017 manifesto saw over 80% approval rating on most policies, when it was revealed it was a Corbyn policy, that popularity dropped to around 40%
Starmer is more electable, which is why I wanted him in before the '19 election, but he's really screeeeewing it up for himself by not advocating for these wildly popular policies.
Tories are just Ukip in a carefully set up disguise, the electorate love them.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 minutes ago
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Not sure I do
But I think the first step post 2016 maybe (post 2019 certainly) was people turning away from the Tories... Now that's happening to some extent it's up to labour to win them over
There won't be a progressive alliance and theres all sorts of "far left" trouble makers so won't be easy
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Far left
How many lenin-marxism labour members have you met ffs
By your political spectrum every Tory is a facking Natzi
IRU
“Neoliberalism is essentially devouring itself at this point, be it 3 years from now or 30 years from now, on its current course it's both economically and politically unsustainable.”
Was going to mention this actually.
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posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Titty - No1 FSG Fanboy. They’re here to save football and anyone who slates them are just utter 🔔ends! (U11882)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity at work.
Great to hear @Keir_Starmer speak about Labour’s new deal for working people:
💥 Day one rights for all
💥 £10 minimum wage
💥 Decent sick pay
💥 A ban on zero-hours contracts
These policies would benefit millions! #TUC21 https://t.co/cqcDOo5ekg
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An outright ban on zero hour contracts is stupid and it's just a lazy populist vote winner. When I was in uni most students appreciated them. Definitely agree with limiting them, but not ban. If we are moving minimum wage up to £10 that's £21,000 per year for someone working 40 hours per week. That's moving into the territory of skilled jobs so I mean this with as little offence as possible, it will be disgusting if we end up in a situation where a burger flipper has a similar salary to a skilled graduate worker. Other two are good policies.
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You can’t expect someone to live on £8.91ph on a zero hours contract nowadays. Cost of living has risen disproportionally and wages haven’t. Yes ZHC’s are handy for some, at uni or jugging raising kids and working etc. However employers aren’t just using them to employ such people. They’re using them across the board because it cuts their staffing overheads. It’s decimating the hospitality, care, retail & agri industries and puts all the power with the employer leaving the employee with few rights that previous generations benefitted from.
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There is a world of difference between say a deliveroo driver working hours to suit themselves and say Boots or Sports Direct that use them to avoid the protections offered to full/part time staff, with those big companies they're abused to swerve around things like holiday pay and sick pay.
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Agreed.
America and uk used to make millions of cars and bikes in Detroit and Brum, then the owners saw that China could make things for less, thus making a few rich guys richer, so we get ghost towns, rust belts, mass unemployment...and folk voting for Trump or brexit.
Now, we make virtually nuttin, and depend on China etc for so much.
Capitalist greed and globalism....thanks alot.
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Welcome to the club, comrade. Been saying the same since the early 90s.
But thank God we did. At least it got rid of human rights abuse in China.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 hours, 49 minutes ago
George Beat did 7 days in Pentonville for drunk driving.
<musicalnite> walks like a woman and he wears a bra...
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Just like my old papa.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
IRU
“Neoliberalism is essentially devouring itself at this point, be it 3 years from now or 30 years from now, on its current course it's both economically and politically unsustainable.”
Was going to mention this actually.
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It's a testament to Corbyn that Boris has gone slightly left economically (compared to May and Cameron's positions at least, he's still well entrenched on the right)
They realised they weren't going to win this time with austerity, and I imagine that will continue at the next election, the continuing trend of Millenials not migrating to conservatism is going to get worrying for them.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 minutes ago
They've been in govt since then
Clegg killed them... TBF at least at the last election they took a stance on brexit
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Yea, revoke the leave vote worked well for them.
Smashed it lol
Would you like to borrow a political science book?
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Wouldn't that make your kitchen table unbalanced?
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
What's a gram in imperial measurements?
Asking for a friend.
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0.0353 oz. Or 1/454th of a pound.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
What's a gram in imperial measurements?
Asking for a friend.
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0.0353 oz. Or 1/454th of a pound.
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Hello mate can I have 0.0353 oz of Charlie please?
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comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 minutes ago
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Not sure I do
But I think the first step post 2016 maybe (post 2019 certainly) was people turning away from the Tories... Now that's happening to some extent it's up to labour to win them over
There won't be a progressive alliance and theres all sorts of "far left" trouble makers so won't be easy
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Far left
How many lenin-marxism labour members have you met ffs
By your political spectrum every Tory is a facking Natzi
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Hey man the inverted commas was supposed.to contract that it's a label rather than a fact
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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
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On a serious note I’m still undecided about whether I go auto or manual next time. Currently have a manual, had an auto before that.
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I’ve only been manual until my car arrives which is auto. I do worry about not enjoying it as much as a manual but the gear boxes these days are incredible and I think the practicality far outweighs anything else.
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Aye and it also depends on whether I’d want my wife driving the car. She was learning but in an automatic so when she gets back to it and passes it’s either;
A) we have and share an auto
B) I get her an auto runaround while I have the manual
posted on 17/9/21
The point is that both people on here and the Labour politicians both just point the finger at the Tories and expect that to change the electorate’s vote
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I don't do it expecting anyone to change their vote. That's not why people post on forums. If I wanted to influence the electorate I wouldn't do it on JA606. That's crap.
Labour are a known quantity and we know what they stand for and how they might act in situations. I dont know what you expect them to say. Unless they abandonntheir core values they won't win an election with this electorate at the minute, situation created by many reasons and circumstances. Perhaps Labour voters just aren't willing to compromise their beliefs and values for the sake of winning an election unlike the other guys.
posted on 17/9/21
The criticism Labour have levelled at the government hasn’t been uncalled for. There are numerous fook ups both before and during the pandemic. The same for the criticism they get on here. People like Sat Nav et al claim they don’t vote Conservative and acknowledge they’re a load of shiite but embark on whataboutery and bring up Labour when the government are rightly criticised. It’s weird.
posted on 17/9/21
Labour can do better simply by not being corrupt and bigotted, and all around a good job has been done exposing the Tories for the corrupt skumbags that they are and poor leadership they continue to provide.
There are some issues that override other issues and carry more weight when it comes to the electorate. Fact is labour can go up or or down left or right but unless labour become more hard-line on issues like immigration and also be a bit racist they won't win an election anytime soon. They could also do what the Tories do and just be populist about every single public or social incident, condemn knee taking, say sweet stuff that people want to hear even if its not true like there's no racism, start proposing to switch to imperial system before the Tories do it, start shaagging the flag etc.
Get in power/stay in power, fack what you have to do or say, just stay in there. Thankfully I can't see that ever happening with labour.
posted on 17/9/21
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posted on 17/9/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour can do better simply by not being corrupt and bigotted, and all around a good job has been done exposing the Tories for the corrupt skumbags that they are and poor leadership they continue to provide.
There are some issues that override other issues and carry more weight when it comes to the electorate. Fact is labour can go up or or down left or right but unless labour become more hard-line on issues like immigration and also be a bit racist they won't win an election anytime soon. They could also do what the Tories do and just be populist about every single public or social incident, condemn knee taking, say sweet stuff that people want to hear even if its not true like there's no racism, start proposing to switch to imperial system before the Tories do it, start shaagging the flag etc.
Get in power/stay in power, fack what you have to do or say, just stay in there. Thankfully I can't see that ever happening with labour.
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You are more likely to vote Conservative from age 40 up to 70+ according to stats in the last election. 49% of the population is 40+. It isn’t Labour being ineffective and more the Tories have a bigger share of the voting market based on age demographics once you also factor in those who vote Tory who are 40 and under.
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comment by Titty - No1 FSG Fanboy. They’re here to save football and anyone who slates them are just utter 🔔ends! (U11882)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour can do better simply by not being corrupt and bigotted, and all around a good job has been done exposing the Tories for the corrupt skumbags that they are and poor leadership they continue to provide.
There are some issues that override other issues and carry more weight when it comes to the electorate. Fact is labour can go up or or down left or right but unless labour become more hard-line on issues like immigration and also be a bit racist they won't win an election anytime soon. They could also do what the Tories do and just be populist about every single public or social incident, condemn knee taking, say sweet stuff that people want to hear even if its not true like there's no racism, start proposing to switch to imperial system before the Tories do it, start shaagging the flag etc.
Get in power/stay in power, fack what you have to do or say, just stay in there. Thankfully I can't see that ever happening with labour.
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You are more likely to vote Conservative from age 40 up to 70+ according to stats in the last election. 49% of the population is 40+. It isn’t Labour being ineffective and more the Tories have a bigger share of the voting market based on age demographics once you also factor in those who vote Tory who are 40 and under.
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We need to let 3 year olds vote to make it fair.
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You’ll finally be able to vote than
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posted on 17/9/21
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 16 hours, 50 minutes ago
🚨 | NEW: Boris Johnson is to announce the return of imperial weights and measures, making it legal for market stalls, shops and supermarkets to sell their goods using only Britain’s traditional weighing system post-Brexit
Via @thetimes
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Saw this pop up in my FB feed; honestly thought it was an actual joke.
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Every single little measure that can possibly be taken to fack the economy over even more
posted on 17/9/21
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 7 minutes ago
The onus is on the opposition is to present a credible alternative for the electorate; Labour have failed to do this since 2007.
Pointing at the Tories and writing lists as we see is above is not going to win over the electorate.
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I don't see labour leadership posting on here. We're just guys on a forum so you can't really throw this crap at people because they criticise the current government.
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It was referencing the Tory vs Labour discussion and why Tory voters keep voting them in as opposed to Labour so it was entirely relevant and not crap at all
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Youu specifically referenced what was posted on this thread like it's anyone here's responsibility
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No I didn’t. Plus, as you added, you might be the Labour leader (it would explain the gross failing both on here and in Labour’s performance 😂 just bantering buddy)
The point is that both people on here and the Labour politicians both just point the finger at the Tories and expect that to change the electorate’s vote; it hasn’t since 2007 so I don’t see why it would going forward.
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Tory MPs still point the finger at blair and the previous labour government, they refuse to take responsibility for their 11 years of failure.
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How does that relate to getting in?
posted on 17/9/21
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour can do better simply by not being corrupt and bigotted, and all around a good job has been done exposing the Tories for the corrupt skumbags that they are and poor leadership they continue to provide.
There are some issues that override other issues and carry more weight when it comes to the electorate. Fact is labour can go up or or down left or right but unless labour become more hard-line on issues like immigration and also be a bit racist they won't win an election anytime soon. They could also do what the Tories do and just be populist about every single public or social incident, condemn knee taking, say sweet stuff that people want to hear even if its not true like there's no racism, start proposing to switch to imperial system before the Tories do it, start shaagging the flag etc.
Get in power/stay in power, fack what you have to do or say, just stay in there. Thankfully I can't see that ever happening with labour.
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You are more likely to vote Conservative from age 40 up to 70+ according to stats in the last election. 49% of the population is 40+. It isn’t Labour being ineffective and more the Tories have a bigger share of the voting market based on age demographics once you also factor in those who vote Tory who are 40 and under.
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Is that stat reflected in past elections, or just the last one?
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The last one but I’d hazard a guess it’s a pattern.
posted on 17/9/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
The point is that both people on here and the Labour politicians both just point the finger at the Tories and expect that to change the electorate’s vote
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I don't do it expecting anyone to change their vote. That's not why people post on forums. If I wanted to influence the electorate I wouldn't do it on JA606. That's crap.
Labour are a known quantity and we know what they stand for and how they might act in situations. I dont know what you expect them to say. Unless they abandonntheir core values they won't win an election with this electorate at the minute, situation created by many reasons and circumstances. Perhaps Labour voters just aren't willing to compromise their beliefs and values for the sake of winning an election unlike the other guys.
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Crouchy can explain it to you, he understands what I’m saying
posted on 17/9/21
🤔
Not sure I do
But I think the first step post 2016 maybe (post 2019 certainly) was people turning away from the Tories... Now that's happening to some extent it's up to labour to win them over
There won't be a progressive alliance and theres all sorts of "far left" trouble makers so won't be easy
posted on 17/9/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson (U1282)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour can do better simply by not being corrupt and bigotted, and all around a good job has been done exposing the Tories for the corrupt skumbags that they are and poor leadership they continue to provide.
There are some issues that override other issues and carry more weight when it comes to the electorate. Fact is labour can go up or or down left or right but unless labour become more hard-line on issues like immigration and also be a bit racist they won't win an election anytime soon. They could also do what the Tories do and just be populist about every single public or social incident, condemn knee taking, say sweet stuff that people want to hear even if its not true like there's no racism, start proposing to switch to imperial system before the Tories do it, start shaagging the flag etc.
Get in power/stay in power, fack what you have to do or say, just stay in there. Thankfully I can't see that ever happening with labour.
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You are more likely to vote Conservative from age 40 up to 70+ according to stats in the last election. 49% of the population is 40+. It isn’t Labour being ineffective and more the Tories have a bigger share of the voting market based on age demographics once you also factor in those who vote Tory who are 40 and under.
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Is that stat reflected in past elections, or just the last one?
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The last one but I’d hazard a guess it’s a pattern.
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It is a pattern, but that age at which you are likely to vote Tory is rising all the time,
It generally coincides with actually feeling like you have something in life to protect, such as home ownership, it's been week documented on here that millenials are not shifting to conservatism as people have traditionally done, anyone aged 38? And under is a millenial/post millenial.
Those two groups are extremely pro social democratic policies, probably because conservatism has locked them out of asset ownership, pensions, and proper disposable incomes.
Neoliberalism is essentially devouring itself at this point, be it 3 years from now or 30 years from now, on its current course it's both economically and politically unsustainable.
Also, let's not forget plenty of old folk still like labour, there's been other big issues, such as brexit, the brexit party splitting the labour vote, by only standing in their seats etc.
Blind polling of Corbyns 2017 manifesto saw over 80% approval rating on most policies, when it was revealed it was a Corbyn policy, that popularity dropped to around 40%
Starmer is more electable, which is why I wanted him in before the '19 election, but he's really screeeeewing it up for himself by not advocating for these wildly popular policies.
posted on 17/9/21
Tories are just Ukip in a carefully set up disguise, the electorate love them.
posted on 17/9/21
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 minutes ago
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Not sure I do
But I think the first step post 2016 maybe (post 2019 certainly) was people turning away from the Tories... Now that's happening to some extent it's up to labour to win them over
There won't be a progressive alliance and theres all sorts of "far left" trouble makers so won't be easy
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Far left
How many lenin-marxism labour members have you met ffs
By your political spectrum every Tory is a facking Natzi
posted on 17/9/21
IRU
“Neoliberalism is essentially devouring itself at this point, be it 3 years from now or 30 years from now, on its current course it's both economically and politically unsustainable.”
Was going to mention this actually.
posted on 17/9/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Titty - No1 FSG Fanboy. They’re here to save football and anyone who slates them are just utter 🔔ends! (U11882)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Everyone deserves to be treated with dignity at work.
Great to hear @Keir_Starmer speak about Labour’s new deal for working people:
💥 Day one rights for all
💥 £10 minimum wage
💥 Decent sick pay
💥 A ban on zero-hours contracts
These policies would benefit millions! #TUC21 https://t.co/cqcDOo5ekg
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An outright ban on zero hour contracts is stupid and it's just a lazy populist vote winner. When I was in uni most students appreciated them. Definitely agree with limiting them, but not ban. If we are moving minimum wage up to £10 that's £21,000 per year for someone working 40 hours per week. That's moving into the territory of skilled jobs so I mean this with as little offence as possible, it will be disgusting if we end up in a situation where a burger flipper has a similar salary to a skilled graduate worker. Other two are good policies.
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You can’t expect someone to live on £8.91ph on a zero hours contract nowadays. Cost of living has risen disproportionally and wages haven’t. Yes ZHC’s are handy for some, at uni or jugging raising kids and working etc. However employers aren’t just using them to employ such people. They’re using them across the board because it cuts their staffing overheads. It’s decimating the hospitality, care, retail & agri industries and puts all the power with the employer leaving the employee with few rights that previous generations benefitted from.
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There is a world of difference between say a deliveroo driver working hours to suit themselves and say Boots or Sports Direct that use them to avoid the protections offered to full/part time staff, with those big companies they're abused to swerve around things like holiday pay and sick pay.
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Agreed.
America and uk used to make millions of cars and bikes in Detroit and Brum, then the owners saw that China could make things for less, thus making a few rich guys richer, so we get ghost towns, rust belts, mass unemployment...and folk voting for Trump or brexit.
Now, we make virtually nuttin, and depend on China etc for so much.
Capitalist greed and globalism....thanks alot.
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Welcome to the club, comrade. Been saying the same since the early 90s.
But thank God we did. At least it got rid of human rights abuse in China.
posted on 17/9/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 hours, 49 minutes ago
George Beat did 7 days in Pentonville for drunk driving.
<musicalnite> walks like a woman and he wears a bra...
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Just like my old papa.
posted on 17/9/21
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 14 minutes ago
IRU
“Neoliberalism is essentially devouring itself at this point, be it 3 years from now or 30 years from now, on its current course it's both economically and politically unsustainable.”
Was going to mention this actually.
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It's a testament to Corbyn that Boris has gone slightly left economically (compared to May and Cameron's positions at least, he's still well entrenched on the right)
They realised they weren't going to win this time with austerity, and I imagine that will continue at the next election, the continuing trend of Millenials not migrating to conservatism is going to get worrying for them.
posted on 17/9/21
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 4 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 minutes ago
They've been in govt since then
Clegg killed them... TBF at least at the last election they took a stance on brexit
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Yea, revoke the leave vote worked well for them.
Smashed it lol
Would you like to borrow a political science book?
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Wouldn't that make your kitchen table unbalanced?
posted on 17/9/21
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
What's a gram in imperial measurements?
Asking for a friend.
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0.0353 oz. Or 1/454th of a pound.
posted on 17/9/21
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 hours, 17 minutes ago
What's a gram in imperial measurements?
Asking for a friend.
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0.0353 oz. Or 1/454th of a pound.
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Hello mate can I have 0.0353 oz of Charlie please?
posted on 17/9/21
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 7 minutes ago
🤔
Not sure I do
But I think the first step post 2016 maybe (post 2019 certainly) was people turning away from the Tories... Now that's happening to some extent it's up to labour to win them over
There won't be a progressive alliance and theres all sorts of "far left" trouble makers so won't be easy
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Far left
How many lenin-marxism labour members have you met ffs
By your political spectrum every Tory is a facking Natzi
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Hey man the inverted commas was supposed.to contract that it's a label rather than a fact
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