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I'd imagine then standing armies would be the first to go over.
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And in a ridiculous hypothetical situation, humour me. Should WW3 happen (with no nukes) and the UK takes the Ukraine approach and states anyone male under 60 must fight against Russia. Are you happy to take arms because Ukraine has the right to NATO?
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If it’s WWIII then of course. What else would. We do?
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Have an agreement

NO NATO NO INVASION.

😂😂
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Why do you think Putin would go for that when NATO isn’t his primary concern?

He won’t settle for a free, liberal, democratic and prosperous Ukraine on Russia’s borders, NATO member or otherwise.
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As I mentioned earlier when replying to BH. Putin isn't exactly winning his invasion has he imagined. He won't want to pull out as it shows weakness, and may have concerns that is will become a new Afghanistan.

So, give the illusion of gaining something to stop the invasion. Putin can announce he got what he wanted and Ukraine can go back to normal.
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back to normal..

so seeking to join NATO and the EU?
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😂 No, no NATO, withdrawal from Ukraine.
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So not back to normal

Audio from Snake Island, Black Sea:

Russians: This is a Russian warship. I propose you lay down arms and surrender to avoid bloodshed & unnecessary victims. Otherwise, you’ll be bombed.

Ukrainians: Russian warship, go fVck yourself.

They were all killed

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comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
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JFK did what Putin's doing now

No different
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Peks, you asked me the other day if I was old enough to remember the Cuban Missile Crisis.
I just don't remember the bit where US troops invaded Cuba. Could you share a link?

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I'd imagine then standing armies would be the first to go over.
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And in a ridiculous hypothetical situation, humour me. Should WW3 happen (with no nukes) and the UK takes the Ukraine approach and states anyone male under 60 must fight against Russia. Are you happy to take arms because Ukraine has the right to NATO?
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If it’s WWIII then of course. What else would. We do?
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Have an agreement

NO NATO NO INVASION.

😂😂
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Why do you think Putin would go for that when NATO isn’t his primary concern?

He won’t settle for a free, liberal, democratic and prosperous Ukraine on Russia’s borders, NATO member or otherwise.
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As I mentioned earlier when replying to BH. Putin isn't exactly winning his invasion has he imagined. He won't want to pull out as it shows weakness, and may have concerns that is will become a new Afghanistan.

So, give the illusion of gaining something to stop the invasion. Putin can announce he got what he wanted and Ukraine can go back to normal.
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back to normal..

so seeking to join NATO and the EU?
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😂 No, no NATO, withdrawal from Ukraine.
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So not back to normal
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Normal day to day living for the 40 million of so.
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who voted to join the EU and NATO?

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I'd imagine then standing armies would be the first to go over.
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And in a ridiculous hypothetical situation, humour me. Should WW3 happen (with no nukes) and the UK takes the Ukraine approach and states anyone male under 60 must fight against Russia. Are you happy to take arms because Ukraine has the right to NATO?
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If it’s WWIII then of course. What else would. We do?
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Have an agreement

NO NATO NO INVASION.

😂😂
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Why do you think Putin would go for that when NATO isn’t his primary concern?

He won’t settle for a free, liberal, democratic and prosperous Ukraine on Russia’s borders, NATO member or otherwise.
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As I mentioned earlier when replying to BH. Putin isn't exactly winning his invasion has he imagined. He won't want to pull out as it shows weakness, and may have concerns that is will become a new Afghanistan.

So, give the illusion of gaining something to stop the invasion. Putin can announce he got what he wanted and Ukraine can go back to normal.
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back to normal..

so seeking to join NATO and the EU?
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😂 No, no NATO, withdrawal from Ukraine.
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So not back to normal
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Normal day to day living for the 40 million of so.
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who voted to join the EU and NATO?
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You can be quite funny when you try. 👍😂
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Yeah, i think perhaps you just realised how he is removing their democracy

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I think Hector is the real hero for trying to get the reply chain size down!

fml I gave up catching up 😂

I will just say - minutiae aside - we’re all on the same side here, we’re all to blame for letting this come to pass.

Now the debate is - assassination or war?

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comment by The goat did it (U10408)
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Nope. But I do see the irony of wanting to join a defence organisation leading to the country getting massacred.
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You don't actually think that Putin only invaded because NATO do you?

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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.

May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.

It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.

Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.

He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.

Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.

We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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Ludicrous..

Remove democracy from the Ukrainian people?!
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It isn't removing democracy,FFS. It's one agreement to gain peace.
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It is removing democracy and bowing down to an aggressive autocrat. He will be back as soon as Ukraine start completing chapters for EU ascent because he knows that he can get what he wants.

Ukraine is a free and independent, democratic country and should be allowed to remain that way, their people FOUGHT for the right to self determination and it's not for the West to take it away from them when we have ALREADY refused to back them on other compromises, and are now letting them down with regards to standing agreements over defence for their Denuclearisation.

Putin wouldn't be in there if we hadnt made these agreements to get those bombs off his doorstep.
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And Putin is a nutter. His argument about NATO missiles on the doorstep is valid to a degree, a paranoid degree admittedly, but a degree.

Giving him assurances for the sake of peace will ensure the least amount of bloodshed. And that is the most important point.
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He doesn't have a right to deny Ukrainians membership of NATO. It's a mutual defence pact...

Think about that, you are saying that to appease and aggressor we should make sure his neighbour doesn't have support?!?
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No the agreement is, no NATO, no Russian invasion.
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I think you're a bit late. In case you missed it Russia invaded Ukraine yesterday. It was all over the news.

And SoQ I kind of do have gender based toilets in my home. I have a urinal set up in one of my bathrooms 😂

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And SoQ I kind of do have gender based toilets in my home. I have a urinal set up in one of my bathrooms 😂
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Do u sit or stand at ur urinal?

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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.

May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.

It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.

Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.

He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.

Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.

We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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Ludicrous..

Remove democracy from the Ukrainian people?!
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It isn't removing democracy,FFS. It's one agreement to gain peace.
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It is removing democracy and bowing down to an aggressive autocrat. He will be back as soon as Ukraine start completing chapters for EU ascent because he knows that he can get what he wants.

Ukraine is a free and independent, democratic country and should be allowed to remain that way, their people FOUGHT for the right to self determination and it's not for the West to take it away from them when we have ALREADY refused to back them on other compromises, and are now letting them down with regards to standing agreements over defence for their Denuclearisation.

Putin wouldn't be in there if we hadnt made these agreements to get those bombs off his doorstep.
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And Putin is a nutter. His argument about NATO missiles on the doorstep is valid to a degree, a paranoid degree admittedly, but a degree.

Giving him assurances for the sake of peace will ensure the least amount of bloodshed. And that is the most important point.
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He doesn't have a right to deny Ukrainians membership of NATO. It's a mutual defence pact...

Think about that, you are saying that to appease and aggressor we should make sure his neighbour doesn't have support?!?
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No the agreement is, no NATO, no Russian invasion.
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There is no agreement for goodness sakes.
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Don't worry, ginger. JS is gonna do a Dennis Rodman and save us all.

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Nope. But I do see the irony of wanting to join a defence organisation leading to the country getting massacred.
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Putin is not in Ukraine primarily because the Ukrainian govt wants to join NATO.

I don’t think it’s even his second reason.

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Nope. But I do see the irony of wanting to join a defence organisation leading to the country getting massacred.
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You don't actually think that Putin only invaded because NATO do you?
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If you read my comments you will know that is not the case.
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Then why did you say it was ironic?

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Nope. But I do see the irony of wanting to join a defence organisation leading to the country getting massacred.
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You don't actually think that Putin only invaded because NATO do you?
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If you read my comments you will know that is not the case.
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Then why did you say it was ironic?
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Like rain on ur wedding day…..

Ukraine invasion: UK troops will not fight against Russia says Wallace

we'd get rolled over anyway

comment by The goat did it (U10408)
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Nope. But I do see the irony of wanting to join a defence organisation leading to the country getting massacred.
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But thats not the reason hes invaded is it?

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Nope. But I do see the irony of wanting to join a defence organisation leading to the country getting massacred.
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Putin is not in Ukraine primarily because the Ukrainian govt wants to join NATO.

I don’t think it’s even his second reason.
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I know. I've mentioned this earlier. Bloody hell people!!
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