comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 10 minutes ago
Finnish President potentially about to announce joining of NATO. Press conference coming up shortly
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What do your Finnish relatives think about this?
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I have asked my missus and she is unsure about it.

She's not a fan of international conflict but equally she is terrified of Russia.

a go, to not ukraine

comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 10 minutes ago
Finnish President potentially about to announce joining of NATO. Press conference coming up shortly
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What do your Finnish relatives think about this?
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Obv very worried at the moment as my wife’s 4 brothers would be called up to fight in any conflict. Would like to join NATO though to provide that protection as Russia has ogled Finnish land for decades as per other comments here.
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bmcl, is your wife Finnish?

Looks like no Eurovision for Russia.

So, Just Shoot, let's invade France and get the UK booted out too🤣

nah shes south african, hence why her brothers would be called up to fight for finland

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posted 6 minutes ago
NATO Rapid Response Force is go
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Not quite as Rapid as advertised though.

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posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 7 minutes ago
Also worth pointing out that:

- the Bolsheviks recognised the Ukrainians as ethnically and culturally distinct from the Russians

- the Ukrainian SSR was a republic in its own right, and with its own government (under the Communist Party of Ukraine) and legislature

- the Ukrainian SSR was, independently, a founding member of the United Nations, recognised as a member in its own right, with Moscow’s backing

- the nation of Ukraine is a *successor* to the Ukrainian SSR, not some completely new republic conjured out of nowhere.

The idea that Ukraine didn’t exist or have any well-defined identity of its own before 1991 is absolute bunkum.
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So, you're not an internationalist, comrade🤣

Not having a pop, it's just the concept of nationality, nationalism, cultural and ethnic distinct identity, borders drawn on maps, is all a bit, right wing, innit.

Russians are not our kind, springs to mind.

Could apply to anywhere on earth of course, and any group, any distinct cultural and ethnic group...and white supremacists use such terminology.
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I am absolutely an internationalist, where international cooperation is voluntary and based on democratic mandates established by peoples able to self-determine.

I am pointing out that Russia and Ukraine have been distinct entities with distinct identities for a century, as acknowledged by the Ukrainian and Russian people and, until Putin rocked up, both governments.

This is a matter of international law, of self-determination, and of protecting freedom and democracy against the will of an authoritarian dictator.
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I largely concur, mate.

Putin is messing this up.

Did you hear Ken Livingstone say Crimea
Was never part of Ukraine, btw?

I am not saying Ukraine does or should not exist, but they also should not hate each other, but neo natzi nationalism in Ukraine and far right Russian nationalist now hate each other and both nations expressed racist and facist sentiment, beacause that is where ethnic, cultural, religious and nationality distinct differences often lead to

Ukraine should be free to be a democracy and their own boss, and Putin should butt out, no question.

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Ken needs to check his history

Crimea was actually gifted to Ukraine by the Soviets.

comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 10 minutes ago
Finnish President potentially about to announce joining of NATO. Press conference coming up shortly
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What do your Finnish relatives think about this?
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Obv very worried at the moment as my wife’s 4 brothers would be called up to fight in any conflict. Would like to join NATO though to provide that protection as Russia has ogled Finnish land for decades as per other comments here.
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bmcl, is your wife Finnish?
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Easy tiger🥰

I thought your partner was a Finn, Hawk?

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posted 33 minutes ago
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posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
Also worth pointing out that:

- the Bolsheviks recognised the Ukrainians as ethnically and culturally distinct from the Russians

- the Ukrainian SSR was a republic in its own right, and with its own government (under the Communist Party of Ukraine) and legislature

- the Ukrainian SSR was, independently, a founding member of the United Nations, recognised as a member in its own right, with Moscow’s backing

- the nation of Ukraine is a *successor* to the Ukrainian SSR, not some completely new republic conjured out of nowhere.

The idea that Ukraine didn’t exist or have any well-defined identity of its own before 1991 is absolute bunkum.
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So, you're not an internationalist, comrade🤣

Not having a pop, it's just the concept of nationality, nationalism, cultural and ethnic distinct identity, borders drawn on maps, is all a bit, right wing, innit.

Russians are not our kind, springs to mind.

Could apply to anywhere on earth of course, and any group, any distinct cultural and ethnic group...and white supremacists use such terminology.
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I am absolutely an internationalist, where international cooperation is voluntary and based on democratic mandates established by peoples able to self-determine.

I am pointing out that Russia and Ukraine have been distinct entities with distinct identities for a century, as acknowledged by the Ukrainian and Russian people and, until Putin rocked up, both governments.

This is a matter of international law, of self-determination, and of protecting freedom and democracy against the will of an authoritarian dictator.
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I largely concur, mate.

Putin is messing this up.

Did you hear Ken Livingstone say Crimea
Was never part of Ukraine, btw?

I am not saying Ukraine does or should not exist, but they also should not hate each other, but neo natzi nationalism in Ukraine and far right Russian nationalist now hate each other and both nations expressed racist and facist sentiment, beacause that is where ethnic, cultural, religious and nationality distinct differences often lead to

Ukraine should be free to be a democracy and their own boss, and Putin should butt out, no question.

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Ken needs to check his history

Crimea was actually gifted to Ukraine by the Soviets.
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Ken said, by pres Kruschev, late of Ukraine.

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has putin secured the areas he wants yet? suspect he'll offer peace when its firmly held + has a buffer region to give back as concessions

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posted 22 minutes ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
Also worth pointing out that:

- the Bolsheviks recognised the Ukrainians as ethnically and culturally distinct from the Russians

- the Ukrainian SSR was a republic in its own right, and with its own government (under the Communist Party of Ukraine) and legislature

- the Ukrainian SSR was, independently, a founding member of the United Nations, recognised as a member in its own right, with Moscow’s backing

- the nation of Ukraine is a *successor* to the Ukrainian SSR, not some completely new republic conjured out of nowhere.

The idea that Ukraine didn’t exist or have any well-defined identity of its own before 1991 is absolute bunkum.
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So, you're not an internationalist, comrade🤣

Not having a pop, it's just the concept of nationality, nationalism, cultural and ethnic distinct identity, borders drawn on maps, is all a bit, right wing, innit.

Russians are not our kind, springs to mind.

Could apply to anywhere on earth of course, and any group, any distinct cultural and ethnic group...and white supremacists use such terminology.
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I am absolutely an internationalist, where international cooperation is voluntary and based on democratic mandates established by peoples able to self-determine.

I am pointing out that Russia and Ukraine have been distinct entities with distinct identities for a century, as acknowledged by the Ukrainian and Russian people and, until Putin rocked up, both governments.

This is a matter of international law, of self-determination, and of protecting freedom and democracy against the will of an authoritarian dictator.
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I largely concur, mate.

Putin is messing this up.

Did you hear Ken Livingstone say Crimea
Was never part of Ukraine, btw?

I am not saying Ukraine does or should not exist, but they also should not hate each other, but neo natzi nationalism in Ukraine and far right Russian nationalist now hate each other and both nations expressed racist and facist sentiment, beacause that is where ethnic, cultural, religious and nationality distinct differences often lead to

Ukraine should be free to be a democracy and their own boss, and Putin should butt out, no question.

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Ken needs to check his history

Crimea was actually gifted to Ukraine by the Soviets.
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In 1954. Even before I was born.

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comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
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comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 10 minutes ago
Finnish President potentially about to announce joining of NATO. Press conference coming up shortly
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What do your Finnish relatives think about this?
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Obv very worried at the moment as my wife’s 4 brothers would be called up to fight in any conflict. Would like to join NATO though to provide that protection as Russia has ogled Finnish land for decades as per other comments here.
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bmcl, is your wife Finnish?
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Easy tiger🥰

I thought your partner was a Finn, Hawk?
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Yeah she is.

Her family has some ties to Russia as well.

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Russia can get fecked

comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 18 seconds ago
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posted 33 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
Also worth pointing out that:

- the Bolsheviks recognised the Ukrainians as ethnically and culturally distinct from the Russians

- the Ukrainian SSR was a republic in its own right, and with its own government (under the Communist Party of Ukraine) and legislature

- the Ukrainian SSR was, independently, a founding member of the United Nations, recognised as a member in its own right, with Moscow’s backing

- the nation of Ukraine is a *successor* to the Ukrainian SSR, not some completely new republic conjured out of nowhere.

The idea that Ukraine didn’t exist or have any well-defined identity of its own before 1991 is absolute bunkum.
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So, you're not an internationalist, comrade🤣

Not having a pop, it's just the concept of nationality, nationalism, cultural and ethnic distinct identity, borders drawn on maps, is all a bit, right wing, innit.

Russians are not our kind, springs to mind.

Could apply to anywhere on earth of course, and any group, any distinct cultural and ethnic group...and white supremacists use such terminology.
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I am absolutely an internationalist, where international cooperation is voluntary and based on democratic mandates established by peoples able to self-determine.

I am pointing out that Russia and Ukraine have been distinct entities with distinct identities for a century, as acknowledged by the Ukrainian and Russian people and, until Putin rocked up, both governments.

This is a matter of international law, of self-determination, and of protecting freedom and democracy against the will of an authoritarian dictator.
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I largely concur, mate.

Putin is messing this up.

Did you hear Ken Livingstone say Crimea
Was never part of Ukraine, btw?

I am not saying Ukraine does or should not exist, but they also should not hate each other, but neo natzi nationalism in Ukraine and far right Russian nationalist now hate each other and both nations expressed racist and facist sentiment, beacause that is where ethnic, cultural, religious and nationality distinct differences often lead to

Ukraine should be free to be a democracy and their own boss, and Putin should butt out, no question.

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Ken needs to check his history

Crimea was actually gifted to Ukraine by the Soviets.
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Ken said, by pres Kruschev, late of Ukraine.
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So Crimea was gifted to Ukraine by Russia, but was never part of Ukraine

Come on Ken man, you can do better than that

comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
Also worth pointing out that:

- the Bolsheviks recognised the Ukrainians as ethnically and culturally distinct from the Russians

- the Ukrainian SSR was a republic in its own right, and with its own government (under the Communist Party of Ukraine) and legislature

- the Ukrainian SSR was, independently, a founding member of the United Nations, recognised as a member in its own right, with Moscow’s backing

- the nation of Ukraine is a *successor* to the Ukrainian SSR, not some completely new republic conjured out of nowhere.

The idea that Ukraine didn’t exist or have any well-defined identity of its own before 1991 is absolute bunkum.
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I do not think Putin cares, but harks back to USSR days when all this was red Russian fields....the west moved east right up to mother Russian borders and he flipped, went Tonto or planned to do this for years.

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My point is that it wasn’t all red Russian fields, mate. As recognised by Khrushchev, Gorbachev and others. Even by facking Trotsky.

Ukraine was a Soviet Socialist Republic, and part of the USSR. But it wasn’t part of the Russian SFSR.
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I know bud, I know.

Putin thinks Ukraine should not exist and his Russia is sacrosanct, and he was ok with Ukraine in the USSR or Warsaw pact empire, but not going indy, or over to the west.

I think we misunderstand each other here quite often, and I as m not saying Go Putin, take Ukraine, but rather looking at this from how some in Russia or Putin may, even though they are wrong.

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Not sure if Putin has lost the plot entirely, has a strategic plan to seize land, or this is a final hurrah for Soviet style Russia, or he just doesn't give a fook and wants to wreck it.

comment by The goat did it (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
Looks like no Eurovision for Russia.

So, Just Shoot, let's invade France and get the UK booted out too🤣
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I'll take a flag, you take a phrase book. 👍
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You sing, I'll play banjo with my twelve fingers and eight toes......oh, you mean the battle plan, invasion not Eurovision 🤣

comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 10 minutes ago
nah shes south african, hence why her brothers would be called up to fight for finland
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I could never find my geography class😉

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posted 22 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
Also worth pointing out that:

- the Bolsheviks recognised the Ukrainians as ethnically and culturally distinct from the Russians

- the Ukrainian SSR was a republic in its own right, and with its own government (under the Communist Party of Ukraine) and legislature

- the Ukrainian SSR was, independently, a founding member of the United Nations, recognised as a member in its own right, with Moscow’s backing

- the nation of Ukraine is a *successor* to the Ukrainian SSR, not some completely new republic conjured out of nowhere.

The idea that Ukraine didn’t exist or have any well-defined identity of its own before 1991 is absolute bunkum.
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So, you're not an internationalist, comrade🤣

Not having a pop, it's just the concept of nationality, nationalism, cultural and ethnic distinct identity, borders drawn on maps, is all a bit, right wing, innit.

Russians are not our kind, springs to mind.

Could apply to anywhere on earth of course, and any group, any distinct cultural and ethnic group...and white supremacists use such terminology.
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I am absolutely an internationalist, where international cooperation is voluntary and based on democratic mandates established by peoples able to self-determine.

I am pointing out that Russia and Ukraine have been distinct entities with distinct identities for a century, as acknowledged by the Ukrainian and Russian people and, until Putin rocked up, both governments.

This is a matter of international law, of self-determination, and of protecting freedom and democracy against the will of an authoritarian dictator.
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I largely concur, mate.

Putin is messing this up.

Did you hear Ken Livingstone say Crimea
Was never part of Ukraine, btw?

I am not saying Ukraine does or should not exist, but they also should not hate each other, but neo natzi nationalism in Ukraine and far right Russian nationalist now hate each other and both nations expressed racist and facist sentiment, beacause that is where ethnic, cultural, religious and nationality distinct differences often lead to

Ukraine should be free to be a democracy and their own boss, and Putin should butt out, no question.

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Ken needs to check his history

Crimea was actually gifted to Ukraine by the Soviets.
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Ken said, by pres Kruschev, late of Ukraine.
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Khruschev wasn't Ukrainian. He was leader of Ukraine and led the Holodomor in the 30s. Estimates of between 3.5-7 million died because he followed Stalin's orders. And he was born in Russia not Ukraine.

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Looks like Russia might be struggling with its military objectives, and have been unexpected by the scale of the Ukrainian resistance.

May well be disinformation, as right now a lot of unreliable information is flying around.

It will be good if true though
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I didn't want to post it earlier as I thought it might be wishful thinking, but I was thinking this too.

Now to get people's backs up... we need to give Putin a face saving solution... no, no, no, I'm not on Putin's side, I don't think he is right in invading, but he ain't going to go without something.
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Disagree entirely.

He needs putting back in his box, unceremoniously. There should be no compromise now.
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Agree with this, or in a few years he will be at it again.
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Tried that after WW1, it didn't work. WW2 a different approach was given and it worked.

Any deal works best when both parties feel they gained at the table.
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How will Ukraine gain via compromise?
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No more threat from Russia.

We all have a sneaky feeling Putin wants Ukraine in Russia, BUT he has repeatedly said it to do with NATO and separatists. Use the NATO part as the bargaining chip. Ukraine will not join NATO unless it has Russian approval. This way Putin will get something publicly and he can move the fool out of Ukraine.
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What?

The Ukraine is an independent country and should be free to join whatever defensive faction it likes, NATO especially.


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Should be able to... yeah, but that isn't the way of the world is it? You should be able to walk through downtown Rio at night with jewelry on. Chances are you won't come out with it.
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That has to be up there with one of the most ludicrous comparisons I’ve ever read.

The perpetrator if caught would be banged up in all likelihood.

Nothing like invading a free country of innocent people.
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If you say so. I see it as what is right Vs what is most likely.

And get caught? 🤣🤣🤣

Those innocent people are going to get slaughter with your approach.
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You should send your posts to the Kremlin and embolden them.

I’ve never read so much utter tosh in my life. Thank fwck your view are a rarity in a free world.
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Afternoon.

Would you be in favour of western troops going into Ukraine today to fight Russians, mate?

I admit that is what perhaps needs to happen, but is it not a massive call and risk?

Apart from Brits and yanks, few nations are up for it, and even UK and USA are holding back in spite of what Putin has done already?

They are prepared to sacrife Ukraine, imo.

Should we enter a war to save it?

Huge moral and military call, Ging.

Would we join up to fight or send sons, daughters, dads, or mates off?...that is what could escalate.
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Yes I would. Certainly putting a defensive ring around the two regions that he’s decided to “recognise” as free states.

All too late now. He’ll take the`Ukraine and it will become a war of terrorism and attrition. The majority of the West will sit back and say “ach it’s not that bad< the price of oil has dropped”.

Fwcking pathetic as I said.

And in a few years time he’ll either have his forces withdraw in ignominy or be prepared to start on a new front.
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👍

Sorry Ging, too much going on here to keep up with posts and work too.

comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.tbsnews.net/world/finland-or-sweden-joining-nato-would-spark-russian-response-russia-warns-376246

Russia can get fecked
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Judging from what happens to non members it would be insane not to join NATO.
Vlad recruiting new members into NATO.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 7 minutes ago
Also worth pointing out that:

- the Bolsheviks recognised the Ukrainians as ethnically and culturally distinct from the Russians

- the Ukrainian SSR was a republic in its own right, and with its own government (under the Communist Party of Ukraine) and legislature

- the Ukrainian SSR was, independently, a founding member of the United Nations, recognised as a member in its own right, with Moscow’s backing

- the nation of Ukraine is a *successor* to the Ukrainian SSR, not some completely new republic conjured out of nowhere.

The idea that Ukraine didn’t exist or have any well-defined identity of its own before 1991 is absolute bunkum.
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So, you're not an internationalist, comrade🤣

Not having a pop, it's just the concept of nationality, nationalism, cultural and ethnic distinct identity, borders drawn on maps, is all a bit, right wing, innit.

Russians are not our kind, springs to mind.

Could apply to anywhere on earth of course, and any group, any distinct cultural and ethnic group...and white supremacists use such terminology.
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I am absolutely an internationalist, where international cooperation is voluntary and based on democratic mandates established by peoples able to self-determine.

I am pointing out that Russia and Ukraine have been distinct entities with distinct identities for a century, as acknowledged by the Ukrainian and Russian people and, until Putin rocked up, both governments.

This is a matter of international law, of self-determination, and of protecting freedom and democracy against the will of an authoritarian dictator.
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I largely concur, mate.

Putin is messing this up.

Did you hear Ken Livingstone say Crimea
Was never part of Ukraine, btw?

I am not saying Ukraine does or should not exist, but they also should not hate each other, but neo natzi nationalism in Ukraine and far right Russian nationalist now hate each other and both nations expressed racist and facist sentiment, beacause that is where ethnic, cultural, religious and nationality distinct differences often lead to

Ukraine should be free to be a democracy and their own boss, and Putin should butt out, no question.

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Ken needs to check his history

Crimea was actually gifted to Ukraine by the Soviets.
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Ken said, by pres Kruschev, late of Ukraine.
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Khruschev wasn't Ukrainian. He was leader of Ukraine and led the Holodomor in the 30s. Estimates of between 3.5-7 million died because he followed Stalin's orders. And he was born in Russia not Ukraine.
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Awe FFS you and your facts and details, you've ruined Ken's concept.

I thought he was from Ukraine, tbf.

And I thought Holodomor was the huge bloke in Game of Thrones...or Harry Potter.

Was that the purge of the Kulak peasants by Stalin, Q?

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.tbsnews.net/world/finland-or-sweden-joining-nato-would-spark-russian-response-russia-warns-376246

Russia can get fecked
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Judging from what happens to non members it would be insane not to join NATO.
Vlad recruiting new members into NATO.
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Not many Finns were for joining NATO. But this war might push them to joining.

comment by son of quebec (U8127)
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comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 7 minutes ago
https://www.tbsnews.net/world/finland-or-sweden-joining-nato-would-spark-russian-response-russia-warns-376246

Russia can get fecked
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Judging from what happens to non members it would be insane not to join NATO.
Vlad recruiting new members into NATO.
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Vlad the Impeller?