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Britain done a very good job of delivering anti tank munitions the week before it kicked off. Turkey look to have done well with the drones. Delivering munitions into Western Ukraine shouldn't be a problem. Remember the West are within their rights to travel into Ukraine.
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That could also kick it off more, but Putin might only listen when boots are on the ground from NATO and the west.
Germany is now sending helmets and weaponry to Ukraine, overturning legislation forbidding Germany from doing so, relating to WW2....this however is being used by RT and Putin to again highlight the "natzi" wounds inflicted, and push the denatzification propaganda.
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Ukraine with a Jewish president. The vast majority of Russians know what's going on. I'm literally in a discord with a Russian soldier who says F Putin and drinks macallan whisky. The misinformation bots and paid trolls are fighting a losing battle.
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Agreed, and with the WWW, Russians can now view media globally, and realize this is not Putin liberating Donestk and Luhansk from neo natzis👍
One ukrainain woman pleading with her Russian brothers not to attack them, can now be seen all over Russia.
Russians can see this is an invasion and war, not a special operation or peacekeeping move, aimed at removing neo-natzis, because computers and social media trump's RT and Kremlin news.
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a number of eastern euros i chat to, far more knowledgeable in the politics of this area , assure me ukraine does have a problem with neo nazzzis, and their military is full of them
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Why make stupid claims like this that you can’t back up and does Putin’s work for him?
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Surely we can distinguish between self confessed far right paramilitary groups such as Azof Battalions Battalion fighting in the Donestk area, and Putin using propaganda claims about ridding Ukraine of natzis?
There are neo natzi far right Ukrainian nationalists, who hate people of colour and Russians, but Putin is an evil tyrant using the lies that Zelensky and Ukraine are natzis.
Just Google Azoff battalions and see for yourself the natzi style salutes, torchlight marches, as seen in America far right, Viking 88 regalia, and their shelling and attacks on ethnic Russians.
We can say there is a far right nationalist presence in ukrainparamilitaru groups and army, while calling out Putin and his actions.
Why pretend there is no neo natzi problem at all?
It was there years before Putin.
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He said the Ukrainian military was ‘full’ of NeoNaaazis. That kind of unsubstantiated claim that Peks couldn’t possibly know or prove is helping to spread disinformation and does Putin’s work for him.
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I do not think peks is working for Putin or unwittingly doing Putin's work, because Vlad the mad has his own agenda and mind, and people in Russia and globally know what Putin is.
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
my question to Russian guy, with answer:
"Dnieper River is the boundary between pro west Ukraine and pro Russia Ukraine ?
ans:
No, it's wider, but it mixed a little bit through last two decades, this line may be called a traditional "separator" (you can notice such separation on lingustic, electoral and other maps).
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Ukraine-Map.png
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
I’m guilty of doing a Peks and posting my own internet findings but there’s this girl on TikTok whose dad was a CIA guy and for the past couple of years every few days she does this Q&A session where she just asks for his advice on all that’s going on in the world and what he sees happening. This week she asked him his opinion on if this will lead to WW3 and he said he doubts it but the tipping point will be if Putin ‘pivots’ to the Kallingrad corridor (also known as the Suwalki corridor). That is a choke point between Poland and Lithuania which is Russian land and the most likely way to cut the Baltic states off from the rest of NATO.
If that happens it’s likely to lead to WW3.
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 14 hours, 14 minutes ago
By the way, if Russia was actually concerned about Ukrainian ‘genocide’ in Donbas this last eight years, it would have let independent (third country or UN) observers into Luhansk and/or Donetsk.
Ukraine has not blocked human rights observers from entering the region since the 2014 conflict. Russia has, and the separatists have.
Why, if your own people are being subject to an active campaign ‘genocide’, would *you* block NGOs or the UN from entering the region to observe?
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14k people have died in the Donbass region, from both sides.
Remember back in the orange revolution era and Russians fought Ukranians in Ukraine streets and in a Workers Union building a ukranian mob burned 50 fleeing Russians to death, while both sides killed each on the streets.
Well, that is where groups such as Azof Battallion come to the fore, as they were then and are now attacking ethnic Russian troops and civilians, and Macron acknowledged this recently, telling both sides to stop shelling in Donetsk.
Putin is using the ethnic Russian plight in the donnbas as a reason to attack his hated Ukraine, for daring to leave the fold, but thee have been horrendous attacks on the Russian minority in Ukraine.
Again, no excuse for Putin invading Ukraine👍
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 13 minutes ago
Kosovo guy on the forum just asked a question, hopefully Russian guy replies...its a good question:
"What would be the turning point according to you, that will make Ukraine surrender ? Kiev being taken ?
Aren't Russians afraid of a collapse of rouble and every prices of imported goods increasing therefore ?
I try to watch and read different narratives (mainstream French media, RT, TASS, Serbian Politika), but it's really hard to get real situation : the pro-Western bias will tend to overestimate Ukraine's resistance and demonize, belittle Russia; but on the other hand, Russia is certainly also not trying to show the reality in order to keep legitimacy in this conflict
I've been for years a pro-Putin and very skeptical of Western imperialism, but I recognize here I find Putin's invasion disproportional and counter-productive, in terms of global strategy for mid and long run (in the sense that even if Ukraine surrender in 1 week, what about in 1, 5, 10 years ?)
What saddens me the most tbh is that I feel it was like a useful idiot move, being a sparring partner of the EU-NATO that demonized him for years and now are happy that he showed his "evil face", giving illegitimacy of all right-wing nationalist-populist movements for the coming years...
I understand the internal necessity of getting respected, not allowing Donbass people being abused and killed, but it could have been done more delicately (maybe just a military operation in Donbass ?)"
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reply from russian guy:
"We got realy threats of intercontinental missiles 450 km from Moscow, we were threatened with renewing nuclear program of Ukraine, one of first things we did is taking over Chernobyl nuclear plant. There are lots of madmans and nationalists who would consider nuclear tragedy. There's generally lots of ideoligically pumped people at the moment who want to send everything around to hell, if it's not gonna be the same like before. Ukrainian nationalists have irrational animal hate towards majority of own population. Most of Ukrainians voted for Zelensky as he was talking about end of war, people were really tired of nationalist bullshiiit. Nationalists in social media openly name common Ukrainians as "biological masses", while they are themselves some sort of woke minority. I have a relative in Kiev now, son of my mother's nephew, he was a member of Poroshenko's party, he's not a nazzzi, but an uber-patriot, once he told me that "on every free elections pro-Russian candidate will win". He's in his flat in center of Kiev now, i'm happy he's not out with a gun, I hope he's gonna be well, being brainwashed is not a crime anyway.."
Q..Sorry for the stupid question, but is the Ukrainian language really different from Russian? And if yes, can Russians understand it or not or is it like totally different?
A..it's different, but it's strictly used in western part only, Majority of people on south and east have Russian language as mother tongue, central and northern Ukraine uses a mix of Russian and Ukrainian named "Surzhyk".
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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v good points TBAB
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
JUST IN - Belarus abandons its non-nuclear status. Constitutional "referendum" approved by majority, proclaims the Central Election Commission.
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
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comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
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Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
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yer
was gnna also filter Peks til this over but then cuddnt crow about hiw grate Napoli r on LaLga/Serie A thred
u2 guys do come across very badly at moment tbf
‘If Adidas bans tracksuit sales to Russia they could end the war on the spot’
😹 My favourite tweet of the day so far.
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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it's funny because it's true.
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What is your opinion of the large pro-natzi far right in Ukraine?
Why is NATO not in Ukraine fighting Russians?
Putin is the bad guy in this and believe it or not, you can hold that opinion and query Ukrainian neo natzi presence and NATO or western foreign policy flaws and their role in watching Ukraine being invaded.
You need to develop your thought process and not think in dogmatic absolutes.
Keep a clear head, and ease off personal insults and name calling too👍.
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Almost every post you seem to have to mention the Ukrainian far-right.
It’s a massive red herring pushed incredibly hard by the Kremlin, and you seem to be buying right into it.
1. Having far right elements in any given society or military does not contribute anything, not one iota, to any argument for the invasion of sovereign territory.
2. The Russian military, like all militaries you’ll find everywhere, is also full of far right nationalists. The Russians have been bussing far-right extremists into Donbas to fight with the separatists since 2014. The Kremlin has been involved in this activity. I posted about some of the neo-Nazis involved yesterday.
3. Ukraine is NOT full of neo-nazis. It does not have neo-nazis in government or represented in its democratically elected parliament. The far right polled at about 5% in the last general election, which is around and about what you’ll see in most Eastern European countries, and much less than in some.
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I have pointed to the racist and nationalist far right in Russia too and repeatedly emphasized the Putin lie about getting rid of natzis in Ukraine, and this being a pretext for invasion.
You correctly point to far right extremism on the Russian side, as I have done, but I am merely pointing out the far right and pro-natzi elements found in Ukrainian nationalism and army and paramilitary groups, active to this day.
Russian and Ukrainian far right fought in 2014 and still do now in Donestk, and is it wrong of you to highlight Russian far right extremism, but wrong for others to highlight it's mirror image in Ukraine??
I have never said Zelensky is neo natzi or the govt or society, and always called out Putin for his denatzi nonsense line.
Not sure if it is my poor posting at times, but I do call out Putin and counter his narrative, while not shying away from issues in Ukraine, Western foreign policy or guys such as Boris and Biden leading us.
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comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
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comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
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yer
was gnna also filter Peks til this over but then cuddnt crow about hiw grate Napoli r on LaLga/Serie A thred
u2 guys do come across very badly at moment tbf
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I have condemned Putin and his actions and if my take on events is more nuanced or providing context, that is why we debate, and post, surely.
Putin is in the wrong, and I still do not believe UK and USA troops should fight Russians in Ukraine.
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
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How arrogant and patronising 🤣
No matter how many times people explain things to me???LMAO, as if this place possesses experts on international affairs, political science, comparative politics or military manoeuvres.
I am not saying Ukraine are asking for this, in fact the opposite, but you read what you want to fit your purpose and agenda.
Rosso correctly pointed to far right in Russia and I did too, while highlighting the Ukrainian far right, who use natzi symbolism, salutes, marches, insignia, all which is extremely offensive to a nation who lost millions to Hitler.
However, Ukraine is not neo natzi and do not deserve what Putin has done.
Perhaps, simply read what I post and take that in good faith as what I mean, rather than putting some Putin bot slant on my words.
It would make debate much nicer.
However, Ukraine is not neo natzi and do not deserve what Putin has done.
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That’s literally all you need to say. Many things on here benefit from nuance but right now with what’s going on, there really doesn’t need much depth applied to it. What Putin has done is so OTT that any attempts to find deeper meaning are invalid as what he’s done cannot be balanced against anything else.
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comment by 4zA - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 thru all the searching n the need too work it out, I stop b-leaving everything wud b alrite….. (U22472)
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comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
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comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
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yer
was gnna also filter Peks til this over but then cuddnt crow about hiw grate Napoli r on LaLga/Serie A thred
u2 guys do come across very badly at moment tbf
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I have condemned Putin and his actions and if my take on events is more nuanced or providing context, that is why we debate, and post, surely.
Putin is in the wrong, and I still do not believe UK and USA troops should fight Russians in Ukraine.
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i know u mean well n r just trying too propose different viewpoint but it does come across as almost delibrate contrary n bullish n does sem like ur makng x-cuses for this Russian aggression.
Theain reason for posting was to hope Putin would not invade and hope the UK and USA did not go to Ukraine to fight Russia, leading to WW3.
When I mentioned facts about the far right Azof Battallion fighting in Ukraine, and far right in Russia, this was distorted to portray posts as pro-putin or an excuse to invade, when it was providing nothing of the sort, but observing the situation and commenting.
I have made my point and will desist now, (after a few tried to twist my words) as Putin is the bad guy and should be the focus of attention👍
FFS are people on here still taking TBBAB seriously?
He's a mad man.
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comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
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yer
was gnna also filter Peks til this over but then cuddnt crow about hiw grate Napoli r on LaLga/Serie A thred
u2 guys do come across very badly at moment tbf
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I have condemned Putin and his actions and if my take on events is more nuanced or providing context, that is why we debate, and post, surely.
Putin is in the wrong, and I still do not believe UK and USA troops should fight Russians in Ukraine.
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i know u mean well n r just trying too propose different viewpoint but it does come across as almost delibrate contrary n bullish n does sem like ur makng x-cuses for this Russian aggression.
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No worries bud, message received and as stated, Putin is the bogeyman with justifiable reason, so I will no longer comment on.....you know what 👍
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Theain reason for posting was to hope Putin would not invade and hope the UK and USA did not go to Ukraine to fight Russia, leading to WW3.
When I mentioned facts about the far right Azof Battallion fighting in Ukraine, and far right in Russia, this was distorted to portray posts as pro-putin or an excuse to invade, when it was providing nothing of the sort, but observing the situation and commenting.
I have made my point and will desist now, (after a few tried to twist my words) as Putin is the bad guy and should be the focus of attention👍
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finalmente!
their is a time n place 4 contrarianism, n at such a dangerus day this is not it
TBBAB, most likely views the Ukrainians the way he views he Palestinians, dirt under his feet.
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
However, Ukraine is not neo natzi and do not deserve what Putin has done.
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That’s literally all you need to say. Many things on here benefit from nuance but right now with what’s going on, there really doesn’t need much depth applied to it. What Putin has done is so OTT that any attempts to find deeper meaning are invalid as what he’s done cannot be balanced against anything else.
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Fair enough, we focus on Putin above all else👍
When I posted background info I was criticised, because I dared mention uncomfortable truths, so I did not back down, and I loathe hypocrisy.
I was not attempting to provide Putin with political cover in any form... and did emphasise his actions were OTT and whatever happened in Ukraine was no reason to invade and start war.
"Denatzification is an excuse to exterminate Ukrainians" was a carefully choosen phrase I used and it stands.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Theain reason for posting was to hope Putin would not invade and hope the UK and USA did not go to Ukraine to fight Russia, leading to WW3.
When I mentioned facts about the far right Azof Battallion fighting in Ukraine, and far right in Russia, this was distorted to portray posts as pro-putin or an excuse to invade, when it was providing nothing of the sort, but observing the situation and commenting.
I have made my point and will desist now, (after a few tried to twist my words) as Putin is the bad guy and should be the focus of attention👍
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finalmente!
their is a time n place 4 contrarianism, n at such a dangerus day this is not it
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I was not being contrary, but we move on 😉👍
Mates have changed profile pics to good drinking party times with Ukraine fans and the NI GAWA boys n gals in Kyiv, and now mad Vlad, the real natzi in this, is set on ruining a beautiful people and place.
Peace and out🙏
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Britain done a very good job of delivering anti tank munitions the week before it kicked off. Turkey look to have done well with the drones. Delivering munitions into Western Ukraine shouldn't be a problem. Remember the West are within their rights to travel into Ukraine.
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That could also kick it off more, but Putin might only listen when boots are on the ground from NATO and the west.
Germany is now sending helmets and weaponry to Ukraine, overturning legislation forbidding Germany from doing so, relating to WW2....this however is being used by RT and Putin to again highlight the "natzi" wounds inflicted, and push the denatzification propaganda.
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Ukraine with a Jewish president. The vast majority of Russians know what's going on. I'm literally in a discord with a Russian soldier who says F Putin and drinks macallan whisky. The misinformation bots and paid trolls are fighting a losing battle.
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Agreed, and with the WWW, Russians can now view media globally, and realize this is not Putin liberating Donestk and Luhansk from neo natzis👍
One ukrainain woman pleading with her Russian brothers not to attack them, can now be seen all over Russia.
Russians can see this is an invasion and war, not a special operation or peacekeeping move, aimed at removing neo-natzis, because computers and social media trump's RT and Kremlin news.
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a number of eastern euros i chat to, far more knowledgeable in the politics of this area , assure me ukraine does have a problem with neo nazzzis, and their military is full of them
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Why make stupid claims like this that you can’t back up and does Putin’s work for him?
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Surely we can distinguish between self confessed far right paramilitary groups such as Azof Battalions Battalion fighting in the Donestk area, and Putin using propaganda claims about ridding Ukraine of natzis?
There are neo natzi far right Ukrainian nationalists, who hate people of colour and Russians, but Putin is an evil tyrant using the lies that Zelensky and Ukraine are natzis.
Just Google Azoff battalions and see for yourself the natzi style salutes, torchlight marches, as seen in America far right, Viking 88 regalia, and their shelling and attacks on ethnic Russians.
We can say there is a far right nationalist presence in ukrainparamilitaru groups and army, while calling out Putin and his actions.
Why pretend there is no neo natzi problem at all?
It was there years before Putin.
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He said the Ukrainian military was ‘full’ of NeoNaaazis. That kind of unsubstantiated claim that Peks couldn’t possibly know or prove is helping to spread disinformation and does Putin’s work for him.
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I do not think peks is working for Putin or unwittingly doing Putin's work, because Vlad the mad has his own agenda and mind, and people in Russia and globally know what Putin is.
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
posted on 27/2/22
my question to Russian guy, with answer:
"Dnieper River is the boundary between pro west Ukraine and pro Russia Ukraine ?
ans:
No, it's wider, but it mixed a little bit through last two decades, this line may be called a traditional "separator" (you can notice such separation on lingustic, electoral and other maps).
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Ukraine-Map.png
posted on 28/2/22
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
posted on 28/2/22
I’m guilty of doing a Peks and posting my own internet findings but there’s this girl on TikTok whose dad was a CIA guy and for the past couple of years every few days she does this Q&A session where she just asks for his advice on all that’s going on in the world and what he sees happening. This week she asked him his opinion on if this will lead to WW3 and he said he doubts it but the tipping point will be if Putin ‘pivots’ to the Kallingrad corridor (also known as the Suwalki corridor). That is a choke point between Poland and Lithuania which is Russian land and the most likely way to cut the Baltic states off from the rest of NATO.
If that happens it’s likely to lead to WW3.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 14 hours, 14 minutes ago
By the way, if Russia was actually concerned about Ukrainian ‘genocide’ in Donbas this last eight years, it would have let independent (third country or UN) observers into Luhansk and/or Donetsk.
Ukraine has not blocked human rights observers from entering the region since the 2014 conflict. Russia has, and the separatists have.
Why, if your own people are being subject to an active campaign ‘genocide’, would *you* block NGOs or the UN from entering the region to observe?
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14k people have died in the Donbass region, from both sides.
Remember back in the orange revolution era and Russians fought Ukranians in Ukraine streets and in a Workers Union building a ukranian mob burned 50 fleeing Russians to death, while both sides killed each on the streets.
Well, that is where groups such as Azof Battallion come to the fore, as they were then and are now attacking ethnic Russian troops and civilians, and Macron acknowledged this recently, telling both sides to stop shelling in Donetsk.
Putin is using the ethnic Russian plight in the donnbas as a reason to attack his hated Ukraine, for daring to leave the fold, but thee have been horrendous attacks on the Russian minority in Ukraine.
Again, no excuse for Putin invading Ukraine👍
posted on 28/2/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 13 minutes ago
Kosovo guy on the forum just asked a question, hopefully Russian guy replies...its a good question:
"What would be the turning point according to you, that will make Ukraine surrender ? Kiev being taken ?
Aren't Russians afraid of a collapse of rouble and every prices of imported goods increasing therefore ?
I try to watch and read different narratives (mainstream French media, RT, TASS, Serbian Politika), but it's really hard to get real situation : the pro-Western bias will tend to overestimate Ukraine's resistance and demonize, belittle Russia; but on the other hand, Russia is certainly also not trying to show the reality in order to keep legitimacy in this conflict
I've been for years a pro-Putin and very skeptical of Western imperialism, but I recognize here I find Putin's invasion disproportional and counter-productive, in terms of global strategy for mid and long run (in the sense that even if Ukraine surrender in 1 week, what about in 1, 5, 10 years ?)
What saddens me the most tbh is that I feel it was like a useful idiot move, being a sparring partner of the EU-NATO that demonized him for years and now are happy that he showed his "evil face", giving illegitimacy of all right-wing nationalist-populist movements for the coming years...
I understand the internal necessity of getting respected, not allowing Donbass people being abused and killed, but it could have been done more delicately (maybe just a military operation in Donbass ?)"
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reply from russian guy:
"We got realy threats of intercontinental missiles 450 km from Moscow, we were threatened with renewing nuclear program of Ukraine, one of first things we did is taking over Chernobyl nuclear plant. There are lots of madmans and nationalists who would consider nuclear tragedy. There's generally lots of ideoligically pumped people at the moment who want to send everything around to hell, if it's not gonna be the same like before. Ukrainian nationalists have irrational animal hate towards majority of own population. Most of Ukrainians voted for Zelensky as he was talking about end of war, people were really tired of nationalist bullshiiit. Nationalists in social media openly name common Ukrainians as "biological masses", while they are themselves some sort of woke minority. I have a relative in Kiev now, son of my mother's nephew, he was a member of Poroshenko's party, he's not a nazzzi, but an uber-patriot, once he told me that "on every free elections pro-Russian candidate will win". He's in his flat in center of Kiev now, i'm happy he's not out with a gun, I hope he's gonna be well, being brainwashed is not a crime anyway.."
posted on 28/2/22
Q..Sorry for the stupid question, but is the Ukrainian language really different from Russian? And if yes, can Russians understand it or not or is it like totally different?
A..it's different, but it's strictly used in western part only, Majority of people on south and east have Russian language as mother tongue, central and northern Ukraine uses a mix of Russian and Ukrainian named "Surzhyk".
posted on 28/2/22
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
posted on 28/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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v good points TBAB
posted on 28/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
posted on 28/2/22
JUST IN - Belarus abandons its non-nuclear status. Constitutional "referendum" approved by majority, proclaims the Central Election Commission.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
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yer
was gnna also filter Peks til this over but then cuddnt crow about hiw grate Napoli r on LaLga/Serie A thred
u2 guys do come across very badly at moment tbf
posted on 28/2/22
‘If Adidas bans tracksuit sales to Russia they could end the war on the spot’
😹 My favourite tweet of the day so far.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
posted 15 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 6 hours, 59 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 8 minutes ago
it's funny because it's true.
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What is your opinion of the large pro-natzi far right in Ukraine?
Why is NATO not in Ukraine fighting Russians?
Putin is the bad guy in this and believe it or not, you can hold that opinion and query Ukrainian neo natzi presence and NATO or western foreign policy flaws and their role in watching Ukraine being invaded.
You need to develop your thought process and not think in dogmatic absolutes.
Keep a clear head, and ease off personal insults and name calling too👍.
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Almost every post you seem to have to mention the Ukrainian far-right.
It’s a massive red herring pushed incredibly hard by the Kremlin, and you seem to be buying right into it.
1. Having far right elements in any given society or military does not contribute anything, not one iota, to any argument for the invasion of sovereign territory.
2. The Russian military, like all militaries you’ll find everywhere, is also full of far right nationalists. The Russians have been bussing far-right extremists into Donbas to fight with the separatists since 2014. The Kremlin has been involved in this activity. I posted about some of the neo-Nazis involved yesterday.
3. Ukraine is NOT full of neo-nazis. It does not have neo-nazis in government or represented in its democratically elected parliament. The far right polled at about 5% in the last general election, which is around and about what you’ll see in most Eastern European countries, and much less than in some.
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I have pointed to the racist and nationalist far right in Russia too and repeatedly emphasized the Putin lie about getting rid of natzis in Ukraine, and this being a pretext for invasion.
You correctly point to far right extremism on the Russian side, as I have done, but I am merely pointing out the far right and pro-natzi elements found in Ukrainian nationalism and army and paramilitary groups, active to this day.
Russian and Ukrainian far right fought in 2014 and still do now in Donestk, and is it wrong of you to highlight Russian far right extremism, but wrong for others to highlight it's mirror image in Ukraine??
I have never said Zelensky is neo natzi or the govt or society, and always called out Putin for his denatzi nonsense line.
Not sure if it is my poor posting at times, but I do call out Putin and counter his narrative, while not shying away from issues in Ukraine, Western foreign policy or guys such as Boris and Biden leading us.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by 4zA - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 thru all the searching n the need too work it out, I stop b-leaving everything wud b alrite….. (U22472)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
————
Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
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yer
was gnna also filter Peks til this over but then cuddnt crow about hiw grate Napoli r on LaLga/Serie A thred
u2 guys do come across very badly at moment tbf
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I have condemned Putin and his actions and if my take on events is more nuanced or providing context, that is why we debate, and post, surely.
Putin is in the wrong, and I still do not believe UK and USA troops should fight Russians in Ukraine.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
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Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
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How arrogant and patronising 🤣
No matter how many times people explain things to me???LMAO, as if this place possesses experts on international affairs, political science, comparative politics or military manoeuvres.
I am not saying Ukraine are asking for this, in fact the opposite, but you read what you want to fit your purpose and agenda.
Rosso correctly pointed to far right in Russia and I did too, while highlighting the Ukrainian far right, who use natzi symbolism, salutes, marches, insignia, all which is extremely offensive to a nation who lost millions to Hitler.
However, Ukraine is not neo natzi and do not deserve what Putin has done.
Perhaps, simply read what I post and take that in good faith as what I mean, rather than putting some Putin bot slant on my words.
It would make debate much nicer.
posted on 28/2/22
However, Ukraine is not neo natzi and do not deserve what Putin has done.
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That’s literally all you need to say. Many things on here benefit from nuance but right now with what’s going on, there really doesn’t need much depth applied to it. What Putin has done is so OTT that any attempts to find deeper meaning are invalid as what he’s done cannot be balanced against anything else.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 4zA - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 thru all the searching n the need too work it out, I stop b-leaving everything wud b alrite….. (U22472)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
————
Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
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yer
was gnna also filter Peks til this over but then cuddnt crow about hiw grate Napoli r on LaLga/Serie A thred
u2 guys do come across very badly at moment tbf
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I have condemned Putin and his actions and if my take on events is more nuanced or providing context, that is why we debate, and post, surely.
Putin is in the wrong, and I still do not believe UK and USA troops should fight Russians in Ukraine.
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i know u mean well n r just trying too propose different viewpoint but it does come across as almost delibrate contrary n bullish n does sem like ur makng x-cuses for this Russian aggression.
posted on 28/2/22
Theain reason for posting was to hope Putin would not invade and hope the UK and USA did not go to Ukraine to fight Russia, leading to WW3.
When I mentioned facts about the far right Azof Battallion fighting in Ukraine, and far right in Russia, this was distorted to portray posts as pro-putin or an excuse to invade, when it was providing nothing of the sort, but observing the situation and commenting.
I have made my point and will desist now, (after a few tried to twist my words) as Putin is the bad guy and should be the focus of attention👍
posted on 28/2/22
FFS are people on here still taking TBBAB seriously?
He's a mad man.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by 4zA - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 thru all the searching n the need too work it out, I stop b-leaving everything wud b alrite….. (U22472)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by 4zA - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 thru all the searching n the need too work it out, I stop b-leaving everything wud b alrite….. (U22472)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
Have you googled Azoff Battalions yet, to confirm the small but ever present far right ultra nationalists of Ukraine?
————
Every country has far right nationalists so it’s pretty irrelevant to what’s happening right now.
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Ok.
If you think a far right paramilitary force in the midst of fighting in Ukraine over the last eight years and to this day is not relevant, I am quite amazed..(fighting ethnic Russians and the invading russians)
Here is a thought.....far right Ukrainian paramilitary violence gives Putin propaganda, so counter the neo natzi presence and do not brush it under the carpet, there or in America, UK or western Europe.
Radical thought?
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Bloody hell. Literally no matter how many times people explain things to you you’re so desperate to make out like Ukraine are asking for his or that there’s some justification for Putin to invade. I’m not gonna filter you but I see why some have.
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yer
was gnna also filter Peks til this over but then cuddnt crow about hiw grate Napoli r on LaLga/Serie A thred
u2 guys do come across very badly at moment tbf
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I have condemned Putin and his actions and if my take on events is more nuanced or providing context, that is why we debate, and post, surely.
Putin is in the wrong, and I still do not believe UK and USA troops should fight Russians in Ukraine.
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i know u mean well n r just trying too propose different viewpoint but it does come across as almost delibrate contrary n bullish n does sem like ur makng x-cuses for this Russian aggression.
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No worries bud, message received and as stated, Putin is the bogeyman with justifiable reason, so I will no longer comment on.....you know what 👍
posted on 28/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Theain reason for posting was to hope Putin would not invade and hope the UK and USA did not go to Ukraine to fight Russia, leading to WW3.
When I mentioned facts about the far right Azof Battallion fighting in Ukraine, and far right in Russia, this was distorted to portray posts as pro-putin or an excuse to invade, when it was providing nothing of the sort, but observing the situation and commenting.
I have made my point and will desist now, (after a few tried to twist my words) as Putin is the bad guy and should be the focus of attention👍
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finalmente!
their is a time n place 4 contrarianism, n at such a dangerus day this is not it
posted on 28/2/22
TBBAB, most likely views the Ukrainians the way he views he Palestinians, dirt under his feet.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 6 minutes ago
However, Ukraine is not neo natzi and do not deserve what Putin has done.
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That’s literally all you need to say. Many things on here benefit from nuance but right now with what’s going on, there really doesn’t need much depth applied to it. What Putin has done is so OTT that any attempts to find deeper meaning are invalid as what he’s done cannot be balanced against anything else.
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Fair enough, we focus on Putin above all else👍
When I posted background info I was criticised, because I dared mention uncomfortable truths, so I did not back down, and I loathe hypocrisy.
I was not attempting to provide Putin with political cover in any form... and did emphasise his actions were OTT and whatever happened in Ukraine was no reason to invade and start war.
"Denatzification is an excuse to exterminate Ukrainians" was a carefully choosen phrase I used and it stands.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by 4zA - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 thru all the searching n the need too work it out, I stop b-leaving everything wud b alrite….. (U22472)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
Theain reason for posting was to hope Putin would not invade and hope the UK and USA did not go to Ukraine to fight Russia, leading to WW3.
When I mentioned facts about the far right Azof Battallion fighting in Ukraine, and far right in Russia, this was distorted to portray posts as pro-putin or an excuse to invade, when it was providing nothing of the sort, but observing the situation and commenting.
I have made my point and will desist now, (after a few tried to twist my words) as Putin is the bad guy and should be the focus of attention👍
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finalmente!
their is a time n place 4 contrarianism, n at such a dangerus day this is not it
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I was not being contrary, but we move on 😉👍
Mates have changed profile pics to good drinking party times with Ukraine fans and the NI GAWA boys n gals in Kyiv, and now mad Vlad, the real natzi in this, is set on ruining a beautiful people and place.
Peace and out🙏
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