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It's funny I'm being lumped in re: clashes with TBAB etc.
I filtered the contrarian russian apologist 3 days ago, and have only mentioned him twice in that time.. both today.
Tries too hard to be a contrarian instead of having an opinion, and needs to have things explained to him repeatedly before he will listen.
That alone suggests he's highly receptive to misinformation campaigns (throw enough mud etc) as it's repetition that gets through to him.
I will generally not mind reading his posts, but on this subject, him and peks have been making pretty disgusting posts.
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You filtered him but only mentioned him twice 😂
What has he said that is “disgusting”, do not paraphrase or straw man, use exact quotes. You have a tendency to add or remove parts of what people have said that completely change the meaning of their posts. You & Rosso both did the same a week or so ago and you did the same to me also.
Perhaps the direct quotes won’t be “disgusting”? Perhaps they will, we’ll find out.
Robb said something the other day and NPE replied questioning why Robb hadn’t called it ‘horrifying or scary etc’ (I am paraphrasing) and Robb replied ‘it goes without saying’; I agree with Robb in this regard.
I don’t think it’s a problem to discuss the possible motivations that Putin has. Kyiv for example has a strong cultural link for Russians (I’m no expert) I believe religion comes into it and it was a much bigger city than Moscow used to be.
Clearly Putin is a twisted man who is looking to be remembered in history. During his time the Russian approval rating for Stalin has risen to 70%, which is bonkers.
Anyway, I look forward to reading what TBAB specifically wrote which was disgusting. Peks is another guy and has some strange opinions but each to their own.
Even if TBAB is wrong, you don’t all need to jump on him like a bunch of jackals and labelling him like you have.
I doubt any of you think that TBAB supports Putin by any means so why pile in? It’s quite pathetic to see tbh (not singularly aimed at you Insert) but we saw the same with the Sadiq Khan debate where he was described as crap and that escalated into a complete farce. I was complicit in allowing you all to do it by even entertaining the discussion but that’s something for me to remedy going forward.
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You allowed it to go on?
Who TF do you think you are to allow or disallow anything posted on here?
I will now allow you to reply, or not.
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I am the king and you are definitely my beeeech.
Now pour me a beer and roll me a spliff
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I think maybe detox and rehab would help more.
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Nah you’re too old for that now. Just enjoy the ride that you’re on mate
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Yeeeeooooo🥰
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Oh no. I'm being ganged up on.
Whatever shall I do?
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Have a smoke and a beer?
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Too early for me.
Maybe you should have a bottle of rum.
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You lot should thank your lucky stars there isn’t a voice note function on here 🤣🤣🤣 there would be some comedy gold and definitely me disappearing for a while afterwards
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 58 seconds ago
TBAB, why are you so into advertising GB news?
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Some decent stuff there, as seen on link Sat posted👍
Some rockets too and views I disagree with, but they do provide nuance and allow different opinion from left, right, centre, animal rights, climate activists, comedians, military experts, guys such as Portillo, then you could have Ken Livingstone on, so all welcome and views from all sides.
I watch several channels for news, from RT to CNN to Aljezerra to Ch4, BBC and ITV, but because some here hate GB news, I like to provide another take on the channel.
The idea that Alistair Stewart, Ann Diamond, Eamon Holmes, Nuna Akau, Stephen Nixon etc are KGB news or far right is farcical, but some posters believe that about the channel, because it offers alternatives to much of the media dross we are served up as gospel nowadays.
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
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Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 13 seconds ago
ukrainians/belarussians/russians are all different strip of russian
as close as english/welsh/scots/irish
they're all mixed with eachother too, like people are in the UK....most english people have at least one ancestor in the last 2, 3 gens who is scots/welsh or irish
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Everyone has a little Irish in them 🥰👍
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this is true
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Mate had a stag in Liverpool, going to Cream and Tranmer game, as we could not get Anfield tickets lol, and it was Paddy's Day there, with more Irish celebrations than Belfast at that time🥳
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 3 minutes ago
Oh and Russians and Ukrainians are brothers and share a culture?
Numbers estimated of up to 7 million Ukrainians died due to the Holodomor 1932-34.
Where was all the brotherhood then? This was before the notsees were involved.
And the guy who called the shots in that is Vlad's hero.
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A Ukrainian woman appealed to her "brothers" in russia not to attack Ukraine, and ethnic Russians in the Donetsk area stopped Russian tanks by blocking their path, then chanted Glory to Ukraine, in solidarity with their Slav brothers and sisters...BBC news today 👍
Young people in Moscow expressing empathy with their brothers and sisters in Ukraine too, at protests against Putin.
Going back to the thirties is fine if you wish, when German natzis were attacking everyone around them in Europe and on into Russia, so like everything, nuance and historical context are central to understanding how humans tick.
Have a Juke at the Portilo video from GB news to get another angle on the Rusdia-Ukraine NATO predicament.
For once, someone also looking at this from a Russian people's perspective as well as from Ukrainian people's and NATO perspective, which if we want to understand conflict and resolve it, is essential.
And neither I nor Portilo cheer on Putin, before anyone goes there again.
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Funny. You were going on about Ukrainians joining with notsees against Russians in the 40s. I guess 30s is ancient history in comparison. You not think those Ukrainians were maybe thinking "The enemy if my enemy is my friend".
"I'd make a deal with the devil himself"?<sic>
Do you know who else said similar
7 million murdered in 2 years. Think about that.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
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Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
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Howdy buddy.
You will know this, but have Ukraine not applied for EU membership before now, and were they turned down, if true?
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
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Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
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Howdy buddy.
You will know this, but have Ukraine not applied for EU membership before now, and were they turned down, if true?
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Hi TBAB,
Not before now. The FTA agreement is fairly comprehensive (came into force 2017) and created a free trade zone between them. Including visa free travel etc.
The agreement commited Ukraine to economic, judicial reforms etc to align legislation/policies to the EUs. Which means it (in theory) would be better positioned to acquire ascension quicker than some other countries.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 3 minutes ago
Oh and Russians and Ukrainians are brothers and share a culture?
Numbers estimated of up to 7 million Ukrainians died due to the Holodomor 1932-34.
Where was all the brotherhood then? This was before the notsees were involved.
And the guy who called the shots in that is Vlad's hero.
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A Ukrainian woman appealed to her "brothers" in russia not to attack Ukraine, and ethnic Russians in the Donetsk area stopped Russian tanks by blocking their path, then chanted Glory to Ukraine, in solidarity with their Slav brothers and sisters...BBC news today 👍
Young people in Moscow expressing empathy with their brothers and sisters in Ukraine too, at protests against Putin.
Going back to the thirties is fine if you wish, when German natzis were attacking everyone around them in Europe and on into Russia, so like everything, nuance and historical context are central to understanding how humans tick.
Have a Juke at the Portilo video from GB news to get another angle on the Rusdia-Ukraine NATO predicament.
For once, someone also looking at this from a Russian people's perspective as well as from Ukrainian people's and NATO perspective, which if we want to understand conflict and resolve it, is essential.
And neither I nor Portilo cheer on Putin, before anyone goes there again.
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Funny. You were going on about Ukrainians joining with notsees against Russians in the 40s. I guess 30s is ancient history in comparison.You not think those Ukrainians were maybe thinking "The enemy if my enemy is my friend".
"I'd make a deal with the devil himself"?<sic>
Do you know who else said similar
7 million murdered in 2 years. Think about that.
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So, people of Ukraine and Russia should just always be enemies?
I was pointing to how many on both so called sides felt the other were brothers and sisters from news items today, and were appealing to Russian brothers not to invade....I thought that was positive and hopeful for Russia and Ukraine.
I brought up the thirties-forties after you brought up that era in relation to Russia killing ukranian, to point out Germany killed millions of fellow Europeans and up to 30 million Russians, but we moved on with Germany.
Man's inhumanity to man is endless, but we move forward and learn from history, rather than repeating it.
Putin is now acting like Hitler, imo.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
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Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
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Howdy buddy.
You will know this, but have Ukraine not applied for EU membership before now, and were they turned down, if true?
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Hi TBAB,
Not before now. The FTA agreement is fairly comprehensive (came into force 2017) and created a free trade zone between them. Including visa free travel etc.
The agreement commited Ukraine to economic, judicial reforms etc to align legislation/policies to the EUs. Which means it (in theory) would be better positioned to acquire ascension quicker than some other countries.
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They could have joined a partner deal(don't know official name) in 2013 but the Russian aligned leader Yanukovich(?) Reneged.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
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Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
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Howdy buddy.
You will know this, but have Ukraine not applied for EU membership before now, and were they turned down, if true?
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Hi TBAB,
Not before now. The FTA agreement is fairly comprehensive (came into force 2017) and created a free trade zone between them. Including visa free travel etc.
The agreement commited Ukraine to economic, judicial reforms etc to align legislation/policies to the EUs. Which means it (in theory) would be better positioned to acquire ascension quicker than some other countries.
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👍
After Putin's aggression, he has firmly pushed Ukraine towards looking west and the EU in future, thus cutting his weird looking nose off, to spite his face🤥
However, I do not think Putin cares and wants to wreck or rule Ukraine, to destroy it's people and the state.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
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Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
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Howdy buddy.
You will know this, but have Ukraine not applied for EU membership before now, and were they turned down, if true?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi TBAB,
Not before now. The FTA agreement is fairly comprehensive (came into force 2017) and created a free trade zone between them. Including visa free travel etc.
The agreement commited Ukraine to economic, judicial reforms etc to align legislation/policies to the EUs. Which means it (in theory) would be better positioned to acquire ascension quicker than some other countries.
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They could have joined a partner deal(don't know official name) in 2013 but the Russian aligned leader Yanukovich(?) Reneged.
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Typical
Association Agreement initiated in 2012. Supposed to be formally signed in 2013.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 minutes ago
Association Agreement initiated in 2012. Supposed to be formally signed in 2013.
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That's the FTA I referenced
Negotiations began 2012, signed (provisionally) 2014 and effective from 2017.
I just found out Canada and Ukraine have an FTA came into effect in 2017. Maybe to do with deal with EU about the same time. Or could be to do with Canada's foreign trade minister having Ukrainian parents.
Chrystia Freeland. She's the one that actually cried when that Belgian province wouldn't approve the CETA.
nobody could have predicted 30 years ago when the soviet union and eastern bloc collapsed eastern european would have turned out like this
more dangerous now than ever
very sad
Between the dead soldiers texts, the financial depression, increasing protestors being arrested, anonymous broadcasting of the truth in Ukraine and now a war crime investigation being announced I wonder how much support is waning for Putin at home.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
Between the dead soldiers texts, the financial depression, increasing protestors being arrested, anonymous broadcasting of the truth in Ukraine and now a war crime investigation being announced I wonder how much support is waning for Putin at home.
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Given I've first hand experience of Russian soldiers saying "F Putin" I think most under 40s in Russia know what's going on with Putin.
From a personal perspective. The pro Russian bots are incredibly irritating. Thankfully the average western net user is getting much more wise to the BS.
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
Between the dead soldiers texts, the financial depression, increasing protestors being arrested, anonymous broadcasting of the truth in Ukraine and now a war crime investigation being announced I wonder how much support is waning for Putin at home.
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Given I've first hand experience of Russian soldiers saying "F Putin" I think most under 40s in Russia know what's going on with Putin.
From a personal perspective. The pro Russian bots are incredibly irritating. Thankfully the average western net user is getting much more wise to the BS.
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Think Ukraine have been pretty clever in their messaging, a lot of it aimed at russian mothers. It's a demographic who might actually be moved!
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
Between the dead soldiers texts, the financial depression, increasing protestors being arrested, anonymous broadcasting of the truth in Ukraine and now a war crime investigation being announced I wonder how much support is waning for Putin at home.
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Given I've first hand experience of Russian soldiers saying "F Putin" I think most under 40s in Russia know what's going on with Putin.
From a personal perspective. The pro Russian bots are incredibly irritating. Thankfully the average western net user is getting much more wise to the BS.
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It’s annoying it’s come just after the biggest disinformation campaign ever with the Covid denial rubbish. The figureheads for those campaigns on Twitter are working overtime to make this part of their conspiracy. ‘It’s funny how Covid doesn’t exist anymore’ and ‘This war is all a media invention’ etc
Sigh, will the genie ever be put back in the bottle?
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
nobody could have predicted 30 years ago when the soviet union and eastern bloc collapsed eastern european would have turned out like this
more dangerous now than ever
very sad
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Nearly every Eastern European country (including Ukraine) is more free, democratic, wealthier, healthier and liberal than it has ever been, and, in all of those factors, very significantly better off than it was when the Berlin Wall came down.
If any Eastern European countries are unsafe, and few are right now, it is only because of a threat of Russian aggression.
I see there this huge convoy of Russian vehicles headed towards Kyiv. Does that not make them at a disadvantage? Could the Ukrainians not just bomb the roads and stop the convoy moving forward?
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 9 minutes ago
I see there this huge convoy of Russian vehicles headed towards Kyiv. Does that not make them at a disadvantage? Could the Ukrainians not just bomb the roads and stop the convoy moving forward?
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The convoy will doubtless have a lot of air defences..
Whatever Putin was intending to do in Ukraine, I think it's safe to say it's had the complete opposite effect. Pushed that country closer to it's western allies and further away from his imperialist fantasy.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 33 minutes ago
Whatever Putin was intending to do in Ukraine, I think it's safe to say it's had the complete opposite effect. Pushed that country closer to it's western allies and further away from his imperialist fantasy.
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Destroyed their economy, eroded national pride..
The question is just how far he will go.
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posted on 28/2/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 39 minutes ago
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Insert random username (U10647)
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It's funny I'm being lumped in re: clashes with TBAB etc.
I filtered the contrarian russian apologist 3 days ago, and have only mentioned him twice in that time.. both today.
Tries too hard to be a contrarian instead of having an opinion, and needs to have things explained to him repeatedly before he will listen.
That alone suggests he's highly receptive to misinformation campaigns (throw enough mud etc) as it's repetition that gets through to him.
I will generally not mind reading his posts, but on this subject, him and peks have been making pretty disgusting posts.
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You filtered him but only mentioned him twice 😂
What has he said that is “disgusting”, do not paraphrase or straw man, use exact quotes. You have a tendency to add or remove parts of what people have said that completely change the meaning of their posts. You & Rosso both did the same a week or so ago and you did the same to me also.
Perhaps the direct quotes won’t be “disgusting”? Perhaps they will, we’ll find out.
Robb said something the other day and NPE replied questioning why Robb hadn’t called it ‘horrifying or scary etc’ (I am paraphrasing) and Robb replied ‘it goes without saying’; I agree with Robb in this regard.
I don’t think it’s a problem to discuss the possible motivations that Putin has. Kyiv for example has a strong cultural link for Russians (I’m no expert) I believe religion comes into it and it was a much bigger city than Moscow used to be.
Clearly Putin is a twisted man who is looking to be remembered in history. During his time the Russian approval rating for Stalin has risen to 70%, which is bonkers.
Anyway, I look forward to reading what TBAB specifically wrote which was disgusting. Peks is another guy and has some strange opinions but each to their own.
Even if TBAB is wrong, you don’t all need to jump on him like a bunch of jackals and labelling him like you have.
I doubt any of you think that TBAB supports Putin by any means so why pile in? It’s quite pathetic to see tbh (not singularly aimed at you Insert) but we saw the same with the Sadiq Khan debate where he was described as crap and that escalated into a complete farce. I was complicit in allowing you all to do it by even entertaining the discussion but that’s something for me to remedy going forward.
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You allowed it to go on?
Who TF do you think you are to allow or disallow anything posted on here?
I will now allow you to reply, or not.
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I am the king and you are definitely my beeeech.
Now pour me a beer and roll me a spliff
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I think maybe detox and rehab would help more.
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Nah you’re too old for that now. Just enjoy the ride that you’re on mate
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Yeeeeooooo🥰
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Oh no. I'm being ganged up on.
Whatever shall I do?
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Have a smoke and a beer?
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Too early for me.
Maybe you should have a bottle of rum.
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You lot should thank your lucky stars there isn’t a voice note function on here 🤣🤣🤣 there would be some comedy gold and definitely me disappearing for a while afterwards
posted on 28/2/22
comment by Black Hawk (U16342)
posted 58 seconds ago
TBAB, why are you so into advertising GB news?
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Some decent stuff there, as seen on link Sat posted👍
Some rockets too and views I disagree with, but they do provide nuance and allow different opinion from left, right, centre, animal rights, climate activists, comedians, military experts, guys such as Portillo, then you could have Ken Livingstone on, so all welcome and views from all sides.
I watch several channels for news, from RT to CNN to Aljezerra to Ch4, BBC and ITV, but because some here hate GB news, I like to provide another take on the channel.
The idea that Alistair Stewart, Ann Diamond, Eamon Holmes, Nuna Akau, Stephen Nixon etc are KGB news or far right is farcical, but some posters believe that about the channel, because it offers alternatives to much of the media dross we are served up as gospel nowadays.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
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Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 13 seconds ago
ukrainians/belarussians/russians are all different strip of russian
as close as english/welsh/scots/irish
they're all mixed with eachother too, like people are in the UK....most english people have at least one ancestor in the last 2, 3 gens who is scots/welsh or irish
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Everyone has a little Irish in them 🥰👍
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this is true
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Mate had a stag in Liverpool, going to Cream and Tranmer game, as we could not get Anfield tickets lol, and it was Paddy's Day there, with more Irish celebrations than Belfast at that time🥳
posted on 28/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 3 minutes ago
Oh and Russians and Ukrainians are brothers and share a culture?
Numbers estimated of up to 7 million Ukrainians died due to the Holodomor 1932-34.
Where was all the brotherhood then? This was before the notsees were involved.
And the guy who called the shots in that is Vlad's hero.
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A Ukrainian woman appealed to her "brothers" in russia not to attack Ukraine, and ethnic Russians in the Donetsk area stopped Russian tanks by blocking their path, then chanted Glory to Ukraine, in solidarity with their Slav brothers and sisters...BBC news today 👍
Young people in Moscow expressing empathy with their brothers and sisters in Ukraine too, at protests against Putin.
Going back to the thirties is fine if you wish, when German natzis were attacking everyone around them in Europe and on into Russia, so like everything, nuance and historical context are central to understanding how humans tick.
Have a Juke at the Portilo video from GB news to get another angle on the Rusdia-Ukraine NATO predicament.
For once, someone also looking at this from a Russian people's perspective as well as from Ukrainian people's and NATO perspective, which if we want to understand conflict and resolve it, is essential.
And neither I nor Portilo cheer on Putin, before anyone goes there again.
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Funny. You were going on about Ukrainians joining with notsees against Russians in the 40s. I guess 30s is ancient history in comparison. You not think those Ukrainians were maybe thinking "The enemy if my enemy is my friend".
"I'd make a deal with the devil himself"?<sic>
Do you know who else said similar
7 million murdered in 2 years. Think about that.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
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Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
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Howdy buddy.
You will know this, but have Ukraine not applied for EU membership before now, and were they turned down, if true?
posted on 28/2/22
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
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Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
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Howdy buddy.
You will know this, but have Ukraine not applied for EU membership before now, and were they turned down, if true?
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Hi TBAB,
Not before now. The FTA agreement is fairly comprehensive (came into force 2017) and created a free trade zone between them. Including visa free travel etc.
The agreement commited Ukraine to economic, judicial reforms etc to align legislation/policies to the EUs. Which means it (in theory) would be better positioned to acquire ascension quicker than some other countries.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 3 minutes ago
Oh and Russians and Ukrainians are brothers and share a culture?
Numbers estimated of up to 7 million Ukrainians died due to the Holodomor 1932-34.
Where was all the brotherhood then? This was before the notsees were involved.
And the guy who called the shots in that is Vlad's hero.
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A Ukrainian woman appealed to her "brothers" in russia not to attack Ukraine, and ethnic Russians in the Donetsk area stopped Russian tanks by blocking their path, then chanted Glory to Ukraine, in solidarity with their Slav brothers and sisters...BBC news today 👍
Young people in Moscow expressing empathy with their brothers and sisters in Ukraine too, at protests against Putin.
Going back to the thirties is fine if you wish, when German natzis were attacking everyone around them in Europe and on into Russia, so like everything, nuance and historical context are central to understanding how humans tick.
Have a Juke at the Portilo video from GB news to get another angle on the Rusdia-Ukraine NATO predicament.
For once, someone also looking at this from a Russian people's perspective as well as from Ukrainian people's and NATO perspective, which if we want to understand conflict and resolve it, is essential.
And neither I nor Portilo cheer on Putin, before anyone goes there again.
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Funny. You were going on about Ukrainians joining with notsees against Russians in the 40s. I guess 30s is ancient history in comparison.You not think those Ukrainians were maybe thinking "The enemy if my enemy is my friend".
"I'd make a deal with the devil himself"?<sic>
Do you know who else said similar
7 million murdered in 2 years. Think about that.
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So, people of Ukraine and Russia should just always be enemies?
I was pointing to how many on both so called sides felt the other were brothers and sisters from news items today, and were appealing to Russian brothers not to invade....I thought that was positive and hopeful for Russia and Ukraine.
I brought up the thirties-forties after you brought up that era in relation to Russia killing ukranian, to point out Germany killed millions of fellow Europeans and up to 30 million Russians, but we moved on with Germany.
Man's inhumanity to man is endless, but we move forward and learn from history, rather than repeating it.
Putin is now acting like Hitler, imo.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
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Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
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Howdy buddy.
You will know this, but have Ukraine not applied for EU membership before now, and were they turned down, if true?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi TBAB,
Not before now. The FTA agreement is fairly comprehensive (came into force 2017) and created a free trade zone between them. Including visa free travel etc.
The agreement commited Ukraine to economic, judicial reforms etc to align legislation/policies to the EUs. Which means it (in theory) would be better positioned to acquire ascension quicker than some other countries.
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They could have joined a partner deal(don't know official name) in 2013 but the Russian aligned leader Yanukovich(?) Reneged.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
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Howdy buddy.
You will know this, but have Ukraine not applied for EU membership before now, and were they turned down, if true?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi TBAB,
Not before now. The FTA agreement is fairly comprehensive (came into force 2017) and created a free trade zone between them. Including visa free travel etc.
The agreement commited Ukraine to economic, judicial reforms etc to align legislation/policies to the EUs. Which means it (in theory) would be better positioned to acquire ascension quicker than some other countries.
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👍
After Putin's aggression, he has firmly pushed Ukraine towards looking west and the EU in future, thus cutting his weird looking nose off, to spite his face🤥
However, I do not think Putin cares and wants to wreck or rule Ukraine, to destroy it's people and the state.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 21 minutes ago
Ukraine won't get into EU anytime soon. To get accepted you need to fulfill criteria like not having a war ongoing, fight against corruption, judiciary reform, minority rights, environmental demands etc....all these are sci fi for current Ukraine to reach.
Besides there are many other European countries waiting in line to join for years and they still haven't been admitted.
They can join maybe in next 15-20 years, if ever.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Would need to meet 30 chapters of ascension.
https://ec.europa.eu/neighbourhood-enlargement/enlargement-policy/conditions-membership/chapters-acquis_en
And would also need to be accepted by each member state, parliament and council. Many chapters they'd already meet as per terms of Ukraine/EU trade agreement.
https://ec.europa.eu/trade/policy/countries-and-regions/countries/ukraine/index_en.htm
15/20 years is a bit of a stretch but something like 5/10 probably more likely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Howdy buddy.
You will know this, but have Ukraine not applied for EU membership before now, and were they turned down, if true?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi TBAB,
Not before now. The FTA agreement is fairly comprehensive (came into force 2017) and created a free trade zone between them. Including visa free travel etc.
The agreement commited Ukraine to economic, judicial reforms etc to align legislation/policies to the EUs. Which means it (in theory) would be better positioned to acquire ascension quicker than some other countries.
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They could have joined a partner deal(don't know official name) in 2013 but the Russian aligned leader Yanukovich(?) Reneged.
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Typical
posted on 28/2/22
Association Agreement initiated in 2012. Supposed to be formally signed in 2013.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 minutes ago
Association Agreement initiated in 2012. Supposed to be formally signed in 2013.
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That's the FTA I referenced
Negotiations began 2012, signed (provisionally) 2014 and effective from 2017.
posted on 28/2/22
I just found out Canada and Ukraine have an FTA came into effect in 2017. Maybe to do with deal with EU about the same time. Or could be to do with Canada's foreign trade minister having Ukrainian parents.
Chrystia Freeland. She's the one that actually cried when that Belgian province wouldn't approve the CETA.
posted on 28/2/22
nobody could have predicted 30 years ago when the soviet union and eastern bloc collapsed eastern european would have turned out like this
more dangerous now than ever
very sad
posted on 28/2/22
Between the dead soldiers texts, the financial depression, increasing protestors being arrested, anonymous broadcasting of the truth in Ukraine and now a war crime investigation being announced I wonder how much support is waning for Putin at home.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
Between the dead soldiers texts, the financial depression, increasing protestors being arrested, anonymous broadcasting of the truth in Ukraine and now a war crime investigation being announced I wonder how much support is waning for Putin at home.
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Given I've first hand experience of Russian soldiers saying "F Putin" I think most under 40s in Russia know what's going on with Putin.
From a personal perspective. The pro Russian bots are incredibly irritating. Thankfully the average western net user is getting much more wise to the BS.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
Between the dead soldiers texts, the financial depression, increasing protestors being arrested, anonymous broadcasting of the truth in Ukraine and now a war crime investigation being announced I wonder how much support is waning for Putin at home.
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Given I've first hand experience of Russian soldiers saying "F Putin" I think most under 40s in Russia know what's going on with Putin.
From a personal perspective. The pro Russian bots are incredibly irritating. Thankfully the average western net user is getting much more wise to the BS.
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Think Ukraine have been pretty clever in their messaging, a lot of it aimed at russian mothers. It's a demographic who might actually be moved!
posted on 28/2/22
comment by Admin1 (U1)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 5 minutes ago
Between the dead soldiers texts, the financial depression, increasing protestors being arrested, anonymous broadcasting of the truth in Ukraine and now a war crime investigation being announced I wonder how much support is waning for Putin at home.
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Given I've first hand experience of Russian soldiers saying "F Putin" I think most under 40s in Russia know what's going on with Putin.
From a personal perspective. The pro Russian bots are incredibly irritating. Thankfully the average western net user is getting much more wise to the BS.
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It’s annoying it’s come just after the biggest disinformation campaign ever with the Covid denial rubbish. The figureheads for those campaigns on Twitter are working overtime to make this part of their conspiracy. ‘It’s funny how Covid doesn’t exist anymore’ and ‘This war is all a media invention’ etc
Sigh, will the genie ever be put back in the bottle?
posted on 28/2/22
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 1 hour, 52 minutes ago
nobody could have predicted 30 years ago when the soviet union and eastern bloc collapsed eastern european would have turned out like this
more dangerous now than ever
very sad
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Nearly every Eastern European country (including Ukraine) is more free, democratic, wealthier, healthier and liberal than it has ever been, and, in all of those factors, very significantly better off than it was when the Berlin Wall came down.
posted on 28/2/22
If any Eastern European countries are unsafe, and few are right now, it is only because of a threat of Russian aggression.
posted on 28/2/22
I see there this huge convoy of Russian vehicles headed towards Kyiv. Does that not make them at a disadvantage? Could the Ukrainians not just bomb the roads and stop the convoy moving forward?
posted on 28/2/22
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 (U22716)
posted 9 minutes ago
I see there this huge convoy of Russian vehicles headed towards Kyiv. Does that not make them at a disadvantage? Could the Ukrainians not just bomb the roads and stop the convoy moving forward?
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The convoy will doubtless have a lot of air defences..
posted on 28/2/22
Whatever Putin was intending to do in Ukraine, I think it's safe to say it's had the complete opposite effect. Pushed that country closer to it's western allies and further away from his imperialist fantasy.
posted on 28/2/22
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 33 minutes ago
Whatever Putin was intending to do in Ukraine, I think it's safe to say it's had the complete opposite effect. Pushed that country closer to it's western allies and further away from his imperialist fantasy.
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Destroyed their economy, eroded national pride..
The question is just how far he will go.
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