It is a big business making brutal 'efficiency savings' following a pandemic. Not especially Brexit related imo.
Julian Jessop at IEA has pointed out on Twitter relevant UK employment laws have not changed.
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think it has very little to do with Brexit tbh.
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But but wasn't brexit to keep British jobs British? I'm sure that was part of it.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think it has very little to do with Brexit tbh.
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But but wasn't brexit to keep British jobs British? I'm sure that was part of it.
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I don't see why a corporation or business acting heartlessly and rapaciously has much to do with Brexit - they acted that way before.
As this is also likely to be challenged legally and possibly with industrial action and consumer blowback - I would also hold off definitive declarations.
We have entered this weird place where some users on here seem to attribute conventional malice to some sort of new phenomenon or development.
Far more to do with the pandemic and businesses no longer behaving responsibly and keeping reserves for rough patches/investors refusing to entertain the fact that their might be slumps in their wealth extraction. We are always told the bargain is that dividends are reward for the risk they take with stocks..
This is just another example in a long line illustrating that the system is broken and share price/dividends cannot be allowed to fall.
They will be making record profits within a year or two and this employee treatment will respreaent a fraction of the growth they will see coming out of the pandemic. It's just a refusal to let shareholder bear the short term pain of their capital being at "risk"
Pre-Brexit P&O were transporting 2 million units of freight per year. The TCA and new Customs checks etc substantially hit its Hull/Rotterdam route. As well as its freight Dover to Calais route. Thus resulting in a significant impact to its freight units.
And as many logistic firms/hauliers ceased using GB as a travel bridge to Europe, dozens of replacement routes were created by companies in Ireland. Bypassing the UK completely.
P&O also cited the NI protocol as causing additional costs/issues for them in their latest results.
So whilst there are other more significant factors in play, Brexit was also most certainly a factor too.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 14 minutes ago
Far more to do with the pandemic and businesses no longer behaving responsibly and keeping reserves for rough patches/investors refusing to entertain the fact that their might be slumps in their wealth extraction. We are always told the bargain is that dividends are reward for the risk they take with stocks..
This is just another example in a long line illustrating that the system is broken and share price/dividends cannot be allowed to fall.
They will be making record profits within a year or two and this employee treatment will respreaent a fraction of the growth they will see coming out of the pandemic. It's just a refusal to let shareholder bear the short term pain of their capital being at "risk"
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The gist of this is correct.
Generally speaking, this kind of behaviour is nothing new though.
There are literally tens of thousands of discrete Employment Tribunal cases in the UK every year, despite the fact that legislation excludes large swathes of the working population from seeking redress following unfair dismissal. It’s thought that the majority of cases of legally unfair dismissal in the UK aren’t even brought before tribunal for one reason or another.
Weight is still overwhelmingly in favour of employers, even before lawyers are brought into the equation.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pre-Brexit P&O were transporting 2 million units of freight per year. The TCA and new Customs checks etc substantially hit its Hull/Rotterdam route. As well as its freight Dover to Calais route. Thus resulting in a significant impact to its freight units.
And as many logistic firms/hauliers ceased using GB as a travel bridge to Europe, dozens of replacement routes were created by companies in Ireland. Bypassing the UK completely.
P&O also cited the NI protocol as causing additional costs/issues for them in their latest results.
So whilst there are other more significant factors in play, Brexit was also most certainly a factor too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would quibble with this.
People being turned into fungible, economic tokens was if anything accelerated by globalisation and Brexit. Likewise, cheap, foreign third party labour replacing jobs.
Plenty of companies that did not succeed or flopped during our time in the EU acted exactly the same as P&O have today.
P&O underperforming might be caused by Brexit but the general response it has gone to is the same any rapacious company has gone to both prior and after Brexit .They have just taken it to a brutal extent.
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pre-Brexit P&O were transporting 2 million units of freight per year. The TCA and new Customs checks etc substantially hit its Hull/Rotterdam route. As well as its freight Dover to Calais route. Thus resulting in a significant impact to its freight units.
And as many logistic firms/hauliers ceased using GB as a travel bridge to Europe, dozens of replacement routes were created by companies in Ireland. Bypassing the UK completely.
P&O also cited the NI protocol as causing additional costs/issues for them in their latest results.
So whilst there are other more significant factors in play, Brexit was also most certainly a factor too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would quibble with this.
People being turned into fungible, economic tokens was if anything accelerated by globalisation and Brexit. Likewise, cheap, foreign third party labour replacing jobs.
Plenty of companies that did not succeed or flopped during our time in the EU acted exactly the same as P&O have today.
P&O underperforming might be caused by Brexit but the general response it has gone to is the same any rapacious company has gone to both prior and after Brexit .They have just taken it to a brutal extent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And this is why I'd have scuttled their ships and sabotaged all machinery. Then let them try to prove whodunnit.
P&O was sold to DP World, a state owned UAE company, in 2006 for £3.9bn.
Another reminder that the EU-filled globalisation of the noughties where we sold off British companies to state owned entities of foreign governments was a time of deep ignorance.
Funny. I was watching the 2nd season on Succession last night and the oldest son did something very similar.
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pre-Brexit P&O were transporting 2 million units of freight per year. The TCA and new Customs checks etc substantially hit its Hull/Rotterdam route. As well as its freight Dover to Calais route. Thus resulting in a significant impact to its freight units.
And as many logistic firms/hauliers ceased using GB as a travel bridge to Europe, dozens of replacement routes were created by companies in Ireland. Bypassing the UK completely.
P&O also cited the NI protocol as causing additional costs/issues for them in their latest results.
So whilst there are other more significant factors in play, Brexit was also most certainly a factor too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would quibble with this.
People being turned into fungible, economic tokens was if anything accelerated by globalisation and Brexit. Likewise, cheap, foreign third party labour replacing jobs.
Plenty of companies that did not succeed or flopped during our time in the EU acted exactly the same as P&O have today.
P&O underperforming might be caused by Brexit but the general response it has gone to is the same any rapacious company has gone to both prior and after Brexit .They have just taken it to a brutal extent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And this is why I'd have scuttled their ships and sabotaged all machinery. Then let them try to prove whodunnit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And then we'd be chatting to you in a fetching orange jumpsuit behind a glass screen lol
Who would know it was me?
Think about this.
Oh and if I were caught I doubt you or anyone else in here would be visiting.
Good piece on grifter #56, a Mr Russell Brand
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/russell-brand-joe-rogan-conspiracy-b2035765.html
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 10 minutes ago
P&O was sold to DP World, a state owned UAE company, in 2006 for £3.9bn.
Another reminder that the EU-filled globalisation of the noughties where we sold off British companies to state owned entities of foreign governments was a time of deep ignorance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I completely back your point that brexit has nothing to do with the rapacious callous actions of P+O, it's hit their bottom lines, but treatment of staff is theirs to own.
The same is true though of your statement above, privatisation to foreign state national companies has nothing to do with Europe, regardless of our membership at the time (and indeed some privatisation predates it)
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pre-Brexit P&O were transporting 2 million units of freight per year. The TCA and new Customs checks etc substantially hit its Hull/Rotterdam route. As well as its freight Dover to Calais route. Thus resulting in a significant impact to its freight units.
And as many logistic firms/hauliers ceased using GB as a travel bridge to Europe, dozens of replacement routes were created by companies in Ireland. Bypassing the UK completely.
P&O also cited the NI protocol as causing additional costs/issues for them in their latest results.
So whilst there are other more significant factors in play, Brexit was also most certainly a factor too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would quibble with this.
People being turned into fungible, economic tokens was if anything accelerated by globalisation and Brexit. Likewise, cheap, foreign third party labour replacing jobs.
Plenty of companies that did not succeed or flopped during our time in the EU acted exactly the same as P&O have today.
P&O underperforming might be caused by Brexit but the general response it has gone to is the same any rapacious company has gone to both prior and after Brexit .They have just taken it to a brutal extent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Underpaying workers is a matter for national governments and employers. Aside from the posted workers directive (protections for employees working overseas within the EU) which the UK government opted out of.
The logistical impediments to trade business now have to manage (and bear costs) is not an opinion but the reality of the new trading arrangements.
And finally P&O cited the NI protocol as an issue for its freight forwarding arm in its latest financial results. And also highlights the new administrative burdens in its website.
https://www.pofreight.com/brexit-advice
Their actions however I agree have been brutal.
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about an hour ago
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 10 minutes ago
P&O was sold to DP World, a state owned UAE company, in 2006 for £3.9bn.
Another reminder that the EU-filled globalisation of the noughties where we sold off British companies to state owned entities of foreign governments was a time of deep ignorance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I completely back your point that brexit has nothing to do with the rapacious callous actions of P+O, it's hit their bottom lines, but treatment of staff is theirs to own.
The same is true though of your statement above, privatisation to foreign state national companies has nothing to do with Europe, regardless of our membership at the time (and indeed some privatisation predates it)
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The capitalist pigdogs that lionize the free market are in no position to suddenly bemoan the selling off of this island nations vital utilities/services to foreigners, greed is good, cash is King, the deepest pockets get the prize.
Workers rights Pah! The untermenchen worker ants have no rights in the dog eat dog world.
Took some cough medicine 5 mins ago, tasted it fine, just went to sip my drink.. no taste or smell.
Facking covid
Just down the bottle, sleep it off, wake up feeling great.
Aaah memories?
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Took some cough medicine 5 mins ago, tasted it fine, just went to sip my drink.. no taste or smell.
Facking covid
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Coff medicine dud ur taistbuds in
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 8 hours, 25 minutes ago
P&O was sold to DP World, a state owned UAE company, in 2006 for £3.9bn.
Another reminder that the EU-filled globalisation of the noughties where we sold off British companies to state owned entities of foreign governments was a time of deep ignorance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wonder if this is true then why are you mentioning the EU? Was it the EU that made us do these things?
Because going on the offensive and blaming the EU might deflect from that fact that despite brexit, P&O have just laid off British staff to replace them with cheaper foreign labour
https://www.dpworld.com/-/media/project/dpwg/dpwg-tenant/corporate/global/media-files/investor-relations/financials-and-presentation/financial-reports/annual-results/dpw-38674-annual-report-2021-eng-front-aw4-mn.pdf?rev=abf97d09cd5e495980754623117ac3ab
This doesn’t read as a company struggling TBH. It doesn’t break down to P&O ferries level, but looking at the Europe and Middle East segment it is exactly the picture one would expect from a company during the pandemic.treaded water a little bit but back to growth
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posted on 17/3/22
It is a big business making brutal 'efficiency savings' following a pandemic. Not especially Brexit related imo.
Julian Jessop at IEA has pointed out on Twitter relevant UK employment laws have not changed.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think it has very little to do with Brexit tbh.
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But but wasn't brexit to keep British jobs British? I'm sure that was part of it.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think it has very little to do with Brexit tbh.
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But but wasn't brexit to keep British jobs British? I'm sure that was part of it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't see why a corporation or business acting heartlessly and rapaciously has much to do with Brexit - they acted that way before.
As this is also likely to be challenged legally and possibly with industrial action and consumer blowback - I would also hold off definitive declarations.
We have entered this weird place where some users on here seem to attribute conventional malice to some sort of new phenomenon or development.
posted on 17/3/22
Far more to do with the pandemic and businesses no longer behaving responsibly and keeping reserves for rough patches/investors refusing to entertain the fact that their might be slumps in their wealth extraction. We are always told the bargain is that dividends are reward for the risk they take with stocks..
This is just another example in a long line illustrating that the system is broken and share price/dividends cannot be allowed to fall.
They will be making record profits within a year or two and this employee treatment will respreaent a fraction of the growth they will see coming out of the pandemic. It's just a refusal to let shareholder bear the short term pain of their capital being at "risk"
posted on 17/3/22
Pre-Brexit P&O were transporting 2 million units of freight per year. The TCA and new Customs checks etc substantially hit its Hull/Rotterdam route. As well as its freight Dover to Calais route. Thus resulting in a significant impact to its freight units.
And as many logistic firms/hauliers ceased using GB as a travel bridge to Europe, dozens of replacement routes were created by companies in Ireland. Bypassing the UK completely.
P&O also cited the NI protocol as causing additional costs/issues for them in their latest results.
So whilst there are other more significant factors in play, Brexit was also most certainly a factor too.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 14 minutes ago
Far more to do with the pandemic and businesses no longer behaving responsibly and keeping reserves for rough patches/investors refusing to entertain the fact that their might be slumps in their wealth extraction. We are always told the bargain is that dividends are reward for the risk they take with stocks..
This is just another example in a long line illustrating that the system is broken and share price/dividends cannot be allowed to fall.
They will be making record profits within a year or two and this employee treatment will respreaent a fraction of the growth they will see coming out of the pandemic. It's just a refusal to let shareholder bear the short term pain of their capital being at "risk"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The gist of this is correct.
posted on 17/3/22
Generally speaking, this kind of behaviour is nothing new though.
There are literally tens of thousands of discrete Employment Tribunal cases in the UK every year, despite the fact that legislation excludes large swathes of the working population from seeking redress following unfair dismissal. It’s thought that the majority of cases of legally unfair dismissal in the UK aren’t even brought before tribunal for one reason or another.
Weight is still overwhelmingly in favour of employers, even before lawyers are brought into the equation.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pre-Brexit P&O were transporting 2 million units of freight per year. The TCA and new Customs checks etc substantially hit its Hull/Rotterdam route. As well as its freight Dover to Calais route. Thus resulting in a significant impact to its freight units.
And as many logistic firms/hauliers ceased using GB as a travel bridge to Europe, dozens of replacement routes were created by companies in Ireland. Bypassing the UK completely.
P&O also cited the NI protocol as causing additional costs/issues for them in their latest results.
So whilst there are other more significant factors in play, Brexit was also most certainly a factor too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would quibble with this.
People being turned into fungible, economic tokens was if anything accelerated by globalisation and Brexit. Likewise, cheap, foreign third party labour replacing jobs.
Plenty of companies that did not succeed or flopped during our time in the EU acted exactly the same as P&O have today.
P&O underperforming might be caused by Brexit but the general response it has gone to is the same any rapacious company has gone to both prior and after Brexit .They have just taken it to a brutal extent.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pre-Brexit P&O were transporting 2 million units of freight per year. The TCA and new Customs checks etc substantially hit its Hull/Rotterdam route. As well as its freight Dover to Calais route. Thus resulting in a significant impact to its freight units.
And as many logistic firms/hauliers ceased using GB as a travel bridge to Europe, dozens of replacement routes were created by companies in Ireland. Bypassing the UK completely.
P&O also cited the NI protocol as causing additional costs/issues for them in their latest results.
So whilst there are other more significant factors in play, Brexit was also most certainly a factor too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would quibble with this.
People being turned into fungible, economic tokens was if anything accelerated by globalisation and Brexit. Likewise, cheap, foreign third party labour replacing jobs.
Plenty of companies that did not succeed or flopped during our time in the EU acted exactly the same as P&O have today.
P&O underperforming might be caused by Brexit but the general response it has gone to is the same any rapacious company has gone to both prior and after Brexit .They have just taken it to a brutal extent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And this is why I'd have scuttled their ships and sabotaged all machinery. Then let them try to prove whodunnit.
posted on 17/3/22
P&O was sold to DP World, a state owned UAE company, in 2006 for £3.9bn.
Another reminder that the EU-filled globalisation of the noughties where we sold off British companies to state owned entities of foreign governments was a time of deep ignorance.
posted on 17/3/22
Funny. I was watching the 2nd season on Succession last night and the oldest son did something very similar.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pre-Brexit P&O were transporting 2 million units of freight per year. The TCA and new Customs checks etc substantially hit its Hull/Rotterdam route. As well as its freight Dover to Calais route. Thus resulting in a significant impact to its freight units.
And as many logistic firms/hauliers ceased using GB as a travel bridge to Europe, dozens of replacement routes were created by companies in Ireland. Bypassing the UK completely.
P&O also cited the NI protocol as causing additional costs/issues for them in their latest results.
So whilst there are other more significant factors in play, Brexit was also most certainly a factor too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would quibble with this.
People being turned into fungible, economic tokens was if anything accelerated by globalisation and Brexit. Likewise, cheap, foreign third party labour replacing jobs.
Plenty of companies that did not succeed or flopped during our time in the EU acted exactly the same as P&O have today.
P&O underperforming might be caused by Brexit but the general response it has gone to is the same any rapacious company has gone to both prior and after Brexit .They have just taken it to a brutal extent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And this is why I'd have scuttled their ships and sabotaged all machinery. Then let them try to prove whodunnit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And then we'd be chatting to you in a fetching orange jumpsuit behind a glass screen lol
posted on 17/3/22
Who would know it was me?
Think about this.
posted on 17/3/22
Oh and if I were caught I doubt you or anyone else in here would be visiting.
posted on 17/3/22
Good piece on grifter #56, a Mr Russell Brand
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/russell-brand-joe-rogan-conspiracy-b2035765.html
posted on 17/3/22
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 10 minutes ago
P&O was sold to DP World, a state owned UAE company, in 2006 for £3.9bn.
Another reminder that the EU-filled globalisation of the noughties where we sold off British companies to state owned entities of foreign governments was a time of deep ignorance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I completely back your point that brexit has nothing to do with the rapacious callous actions of P+O, it's hit their bottom lines, but treatment of staff is theirs to own.
The same is true though of your statement above, privatisation to foreign state national companies has nothing to do with Europe, regardless of our membership at the time (and indeed some privatisation predates it)
posted on 17/3/22
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
Pre-Brexit P&O were transporting 2 million units of freight per year. The TCA and new Customs checks etc substantially hit its Hull/Rotterdam route. As well as its freight Dover to Calais route. Thus resulting in a significant impact to its freight units.
And as many logistic firms/hauliers ceased using GB as a travel bridge to Europe, dozens of replacement routes were created by companies in Ireland. Bypassing the UK completely.
P&O also cited the NI protocol as causing additional costs/issues for them in their latest results.
So whilst there are other more significant factors in play, Brexit was also most certainly a factor too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I would quibble with this.
People being turned into fungible, economic tokens was if anything accelerated by globalisation and Brexit. Likewise, cheap, foreign third party labour replacing jobs.
Plenty of companies that did not succeed or flopped during our time in the EU acted exactly the same as P&O have today.
P&O underperforming might be caused by Brexit but the general response it has gone to is the same any rapacious company has gone to both prior and after Brexit .They have just taken it to a brutal extent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Underpaying workers is a matter for national governments and employers. Aside from the posted workers directive (protections for employees working overseas within the EU) which the UK government opted out of.
The logistical impediments to trade business now have to manage (and bear costs) is not an opinion but the reality of the new trading arrangements.
And finally P&O cited the NI protocol as an issue for its freight forwarding arm in its latest financial results. And also highlights the new administrative burdens in its website.
https://www.pofreight.com/brexit-advice
Their actions however I agree have been brutal.
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted about an hour ago
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 10 minutes ago
P&O was sold to DP World, a state owned UAE company, in 2006 for £3.9bn.
Another reminder that the EU-filled globalisation of the noughties where we sold off British companies to state owned entities of foreign governments was a time of deep ignorance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I completely back your point that brexit has nothing to do with the rapacious callous actions of P+O, it's hit their bottom lines, but treatment of staff is theirs to own.
The same is true though of your statement above, privatisation to foreign state national companies has nothing to do with Europe, regardless of our membership at the time (and indeed some privatisation predates it)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The capitalist pigdogs that lionize the free market are in no position to suddenly bemoan the selling off of this island nations vital utilities/services to foreigners, greed is good, cash is King, the deepest pockets get the prize.
Workers rights Pah! The untermenchen worker ants have no rights in the dog eat dog world.
posted on 17/3/22
Took some cough medicine 5 mins ago, tasted it fine, just went to sip my drink.. no taste or smell.
Facking covid
posted on 17/3/22
Just down the bottle, sleep it off, wake up feeling great.
Aaah memories?
posted on 17/3/22
I love food...
posted on 17/3/22
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Took some cough medicine 5 mins ago, tasted it fine, just went to sip my drink.. no taste or smell.
Facking covid
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Coff medicine dud ur taistbuds in
posted on 18/3/22
comment by NPEssien (U22712)
posted 8 hours, 25 minutes ago
P&O was sold to DP World, a state owned UAE company, in 2006 for £3.9bn.
Another reminder that the EU-filled globalisation of the noughties where we sold off British companies to state owned entities of foreign governments was a time of deep ignorance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wonder if this is true then why are you mentioning the EU? Was it the EU that made us do these things?
posted on 18/3/22
Because going on the offensive and blaming the EU might deflect from that fact that despite brexit, P&O have just laid off British staff to replace them with cheaper foreign labour
posted on 18/3/22
https://www.dpworld.com/-/media/project/dpwg/dpwg-tenant/corporate/global/media-files/investor-relations/financials-and-presentation/financial-reports/annual-results/dpw-38674-annual-report-2021-eng-front-aw4-mn.pdf?rev=abf97d09cd5e495980754623117ac3ab
This doesn’t read as a company struggling TBH. It doesn’t break down to P&O ferries level, but looking at the Europe and Middle East segment it is exactly the picture one would expect from a company during the pandemic.treaded water a little bit but back to growth
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