and I'm surprised at some of the people and rationale for supporting them or seeing the elimination of Hamas via these means as a viable alternative with reasonable chance of success.
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Those people must surely see Muslims as subhuman as that’s the only logical way they can justify this genocide to happen.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 55 minutes ago
Either way I cannot see Israel stopping now, they will get rid of Hamas take control of Gaza again and run it like the West Bank.
====
I doubt some of these, like getting rid of Hamas. We'll see if that is doable as I think they'll just pop up again and again so long as the apartheid continues. Do Israel even want to get rid of Hamas completely? How will they expand without the Hamas and terrorism excuse?
But I digress in that, time will tell I suppose.
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Get rid of perhaps is too absolute yes.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
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Yep. If bombs could get rid of Hamas it would have happened already IMO. It's just a bombing exercise. Hamas will still be around afterwards. More likely than eradication is Hamas being replaced by someone else who it's possible might even be worse than Hamas and they'd go out the frying pan into the fire.
The only way is to use your brains not your brawn, and I'm surprised at some of the people and rationale for supporting them or seeing the elimination of Hamas via these means as a viable alternative with reasonable chance of success.
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I think you’re underestimating what is yet to come mate.
There is no success in any of this.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
We also need to correct the misinformation about ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ being antisemitic and/or being about the end of Israel.
It’s really not.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The question that then follows is where did the members of the 👁️ RA go in Northern Ireland? Where did members of the UDA and that UVF and the UFF go? You either accept that the violence has to stop, and yes that means some terrorists from all sides stay alive, or the murder continues. We sadly don’t have people in positions of power on either side who are ready to work for peace. I would say particularly on the Israeli side given the PA have expressed a desire for talks consistently for a while which the Israeli government have declined, but I think there is hope on that side as the corrupt Netanyahu is not liked by the Israeli people and who I think will blame him in part for the terrorist attacks in Israel in 7 Oct. In short, we need a Trimble, not a Paisley.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep. If bombs could get rid of Hamas it would have happened already IMO. It's just a bombing exercise. Hamas will still be around afterwards. More likely than eradication is Hamas being replaced by someone else who it's possible might even be worse than Hamas and they'd go out the frying pan into the fire.
The only way is to use your brains not your brawn, and I'm surprised at some of the people and rationale for supporting them or seeing the elimination of Hamas via these means as a viable alternative with reasonable chance of success.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you’re underestimating what is yet to come mate.
There is no success in any of this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I might indeed be underestimating what is to come. After all, if Israel ethnically cleanse the entire Gaza of Palestinians then there won't be a Hamas in Gaza. But Hamas will still exist wherever the Palestinians end up and will have new motivations and on and on we shall go back and forth.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. But isn't that obvious? You have to dig them out from the roots by destroying their reasons for existing. Turn their own people against the Hamas agenda and without that support they will be castrated and impotent.
I mean, bombs and violence will certainly not get them to voluntarily cease and will certainly get them to dig in.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The question that then follows is where did the members of the 👁️ RA go in Northern Ireland? Where did members of the UDA and that UVF and the UFF go? You either accept that the violence has to stop, and yes that means some terrorists from all sides stay alive, or the murder continues. We sadly don’t have people in positions of power on either side who are ready to work for peace. I would say particularly on the Israeli side given the PA have expressed a desire for talks consistently for a while which the Israeli government have declined, but I think there is hope on that side as the corrupt Netanyahu is not liked by the Israeli people and who I think will blame him in part for the terrorist attacks in Israel in 7 Oct. In short, we need a Trimble, not a Paisley.
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And a Hume I should add.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. But isn't that obvious? You have to dig them out from the roots by destroying their reasons for existing. Turn their own people against the Hamas agenda and without that support they will be castrated and impotent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Obviously not obvious as that is my point; your idyllic scene would never happen.
So Israel withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank, allows free trade, control of water, grants them a state, stops expanding and the settlers return to Israel.
Hamas will not leave. They will not give up their power (which would be increased by the above), the local Palestinian people would not be able to remove them. Castrate and make them impotent? What does that mean in reality? You don’t think that the Gazan people would just be subjected to living under a Hamas dictatorship? They won one election and killed the opposition over 15 years ago.
Want to know also why they won’t give up their power? Because what I have set out above is not enough for them. They want to obliterate Israel so that it no longer exists.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
I mean, bombs and violence will certainly not get them to voluntarily cease and will certainly get them to dig in.
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I don’t think the Israelis are going to do anything other than a long, drawn-out destruction of the entire area over the next few months at least.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
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If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. But isn't that obvious? You have to dig them out from the roots by destroying their reasons for existing. Turn their own people against the Hamas agenda and without that support they will be castrated and impotent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Obviously not obvious as that is my point; your idyllic scene would never happen.
So Israel withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank, allows free trade, control of water, grants them a state, stops expanding and the settlers return to Israel.
Hamas will not leave. They will not give up their power (which would be increased by the above), the local Palestinian people would not be able to remove them. Castrate and make them impotent? What does that mean in reality? You don’t think that the Gazan people would just be subjected to living under a Hamas dictatorship? They won one election and killed the opposition over 15 years ago.
Want to know also why they won’t give up their power? Because what I have set out above is not enough for them. They want to obliterate Israel so that it no longer exists.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like the RA wanted Britain out of Northern Ireland?
Negotiation and reconciliation is the only way to long term peace.
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted about 2 hours ago
We also need to correct the misinformation about ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ being antisemitic and/or being about the end of Israel.
It’s really not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what is your understanding?
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
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If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. But isn't that obvious? You have to dig them out from the roots by destroying their reasons for existing. Turn their own people against the Hamas agenda and without that support they will be castrated and impotent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Obviously not obvious as that is my point; your idyllic scene would never happen.
So Israel withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank, allows free trade, control of water, grants them a state, stops expanding and the settlers return to Israel.
Hamas will not leave. They will not give up their power (which would be increased by the above), the local Palestinian people would not be able to remove them. Castrate and make them impotent? What does that mean in reality? You don’t think that the Gazan people would just be subjected to living under a Hamas dictatorship? They won one election and killed the opposition over 15 years ago.
Want to know also why they won’t give up their power? Because what I have set out above is not enough for them. They want to obliterate Israel so that it no longer exists.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like the RA wanted Britain out of Northern Ireland?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really the same situation
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted about 2 hours ago
We also need to correct the misinformation about ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ being antisemitic and/or being about the end of Israel.
It’s really not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what is your understanding?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having spoken to people on the three pro Palestinian marches I’ve been on in recent weeks they all insist it’s just as simple as wanting freedom from the river Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea.
Nothing at all about eradicating Israel. Just the freedom to exist anywhere from the river to the sea. The right win Media will have you believe it’s some evil chant. Quite the opposite.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
Negotiation and reconciliation is the only way to long term peace.
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Couldn’t agree more but I think that ship has now sailed. The Israelis are not gonna do this by half measures.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted about 2 hours ago
We also need to correct the misinformation about ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ being antisemitic and/or being about the end of Israel.
It’s really not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what is your understanding?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes and jihad has other meanings blah blah blah
I've yet to read a line or passage saying 'From the river to the sea' exclusively means 'Let's kill all Jews'.
If there's one out there, I'd genuinely like to read it.
Claptrap, Titty etc, please don't quote Suella Braverman.
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted about 2 hours ago
We also need to correct the misinformation about ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ being antisemitic and/or being about the end of Israel.
It’s really not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what is your understanding?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having spoken to people on the three pro Palestinian marches I’ve been on in recent weeks they all insist it’s just as simple as wanting freedom from the river Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea.
Nothing at all about eradicating Israel. Just the freedom to exist anywhere from the river to the sea. The right win Media will have you believe it’s some evil chant. Quite the opposite.
......
But geographically impossible without the end of the Israeli state, so it's use is naive and plays into the hands of the media....imo.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 22 seconds ago
I've yet to read a line or passage saying 'From the river to the sea' exclusively means 'Let's kill all Jews'.
If there's one out there, I'd genuinely like to read it.
Claptrap, Titty etc, please don't quote Suella Braverman.
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It’s not about killing all Jews and no-one here is saying that. But it does mean the end of Israel. Suggesting otherwise is just exposing extreme bias or stupidity. Or in Nobb’s case - both.
A quick look at the map shows that the River Jordan doesn't entirely bisect Israel if you take it literally but if does flow along the Eastern side of the Occupied Territories
Maybe Rule Brittania should be dropped from the Last Night of The Proms..
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
Negotiation and reconciliation is the only way to long term peace.
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Couldn’t agree more but I think that ship has now sailed. The Israelis are not gonna do this by half measures.
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The ship didn’t sail after Bloody Sunday, after Enniskillen, after Brighton, after Guildford and Birmingham. It’s a choice as to whether the ship has sailed or not.
And tragically, shamefully, the Israeli government, and its supporters in the UK and the US, want to choose another way. A way that won’t bring peace to the region, won’t bring back the innocent victims of Hamas terrorism, won’t bring back innocent victims of IDF indiscriminate bombings, won’t bring reconciliation and community building amongst Jewish and Muslim communities around the world.
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posted on 29/10/23
and I'm surprised at some of the people and rationale for supporting them or seeing the elimination of Hamas via these means as a viable alternative with reasonable chance of success.
————-
Those people must surely see Muslims as subhuman as that’s the only logical way they can justify this genocide to happen.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 55 minutes ago
Either way I cannot see Israel stopping now, they will get rid of Hamas take control of Gaza again and run it like the West Bank.
====
I doubt some of these, like getting rid of Hamas. We'll see if that is doable as I think they'll just pop up again and again so long as the apartheid continues. Do Israel even want to get rid of Hamas completely? How will they expand without the Hamas and terrorism excuse?
But I digress in that, time will tell I suppose.
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Get rid of perhaps is too absolute yes.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep. If bombs could get rid of Hamas it would have happened already IMO. It's just a bombing exercise. Hamas will still be around afterwards. More likely than eradication is Hamas being replaced by someone else who it's possible might even be worse than Hamas and they'd go out the frying pan into the fire.
The only way is to use your brains not your brawn, and I'm surprised at some of the people and rationale for supporting them or seeing the elimination of Hamas via these means as a viable alternative with reasonable chance of success.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you’re underestimating what is yet to come mate.
There is no success in any of this.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
posted on 29/10/23
We also need to correct the misinformation about ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ being antisemitic and/or being about the end of Israel.
It’s really not.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The question that then follows is where did the members of the 👁️ RA go in Northern Ireland? Where did members of the UDA and that UVF and the UFF go? You either accept that the violence has to stop, and yes that means some terrorists from all sides stay alive, or the murder continues. We sadly don’t have people in positions of power on either side who are ready to work for peace. I would say particularly on the Israeli side given the PA have expressed a desire for talks consistently for a while which the Israeli government have declined, but I think there is hope on that side as the corrupt Netanyahu is not liked by the Israeli people and who I think will blame him in part for the terrorist attacks in Israel in 7 Oct. In short, we need a Trimble, not a Paisley.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep. If bombs could get rid of Hamas it would have happened already IMO. It's just a bombing exercise. Hamas will still be around afterwards. More likely than eradication is Hamas being replaced by someone else who it's possible might even be worse than Hamas and they'd go out the frying pan into the fire.
The only way is to use your brains not your brawn, and I'm surprised at some of the people and rationale for supporting them or seeing the elimination of Hamas via these means as a viable alternative with reasonable chance of success.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think you’re underestimating what is yet to come mate.
There is no success in any of this.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I might indeed be underestimating what is to come. After all, if Israel ethnically cleanse the entire Gaza of Palestinians then there won't be a Hamas in Gaza. But Hamas will still exist wherever the Palestinians end up and will have new motivations and on and on we shall go back and forth.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. But isn't that obvious? You have to dig them out from the roots by destroying their reasons for existing. Turn their own people against the Hamas agenda and without that support they will be castrated and impotent.
posted on 29/10/23
I mean, bombs and violence will certainly not get them to voluntarily cease and will certainly get them to dig in.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The question that then follows is where did the members of the 👁️ RA go in Northern Ireland? Where did members of the UDA and that UVF and the UFF go? You either accept that the violence has to stop, and yes that means some terrorists from all sides stay alive, or the murder continues. We sadly don’t have people in positions of power on either side who are ready to work for peace. I would say particularly on the Israeli side given the PA have expressed a desire for talks consistently for a while which the Israeli government have declined, but I think there is hope on that side as the corrupt Netanyahu is not liked by the Israeli people and who I think will blame him in part for the terrorist attacks in Israel in 7 Oct. In short, we need a Trimble, not a Paisley.
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And a Hume I should add.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. But isn't that obvious? You have to dig them out from the roots by destroying their reasons for existing. Turn their own people against the Hamas agenda and without that support they will be castrated and impotent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Obviously not obvious as that is my point; your idyllic scene would never happen.
So Israel withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank, allows free trade, control of water, grants them a state, stops expanding and the settlers return to Israel.
Hamas will not leave. They will not give up their power (which would be increased by the above), the local Palestinian people would not be able to remove them. Castrate and make them impotent? What does that mean in reality? You don’t think that the Gazan people would just be subjected to living under a Hamas dictatorship? They won one election and killed the opposition over 15 years ago.
Want to know also why they won’t give up their power? Because what I have set out above is not enough for them. They want to obliterate Israel so that it no longer exists.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 13 minutes ago
I mean, bombs and violence will certainly not get them to voluntarily cease and will certainly get them to dig in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t think the Israelis are going to do anything other than a long, drawn-out destruction of the entire area over the next few months at least.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. But isn't that obvious? You have to dig them out from the roots by destroying their reasons for existing. Turn their own people against the Hamas agenda and without that support they will be castrated and impotent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Obviously not obvious as that is my point; your idyllic scene would never happen.
So Israel withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank, allows free trade, control of water, grants them a state, stops expanding and the settlers return to Israel.
Hamas will not leave. They will not give up their power (which would be increased by the above), the local Palestinian people would not be able to remove them. Castrate and make them impotent? What does that mean in reality? You don’t think that the Gazan people would just be subjected to living under a Hamas dictatorship? They won one election and killed the opposition over 15 years ago.
Want to know also why they won’t give up their power? Because what I have set out above is not enough for them. They want to obliterate Israel so that it no longer exists.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like the RA wanted Britain out of Northern Ireland?
posted on 29/10/23
Negotiation and reconciliation is the only way to long term peace.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted about 2 hours ago
We also need to correct the misinformation about ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ being antisemitic and/or being about the end of Israel.
It’s really not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what is your understanding?
posted on 29/10/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Hamas only disappears if/when a consensus solution is found, you cannot bomb it out of existence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If there is one thing I can be pretty certain of it’s that Hamas won’t be going anywhere voluntarily regardless of consensus/ceasefire/agreement.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. But isn't that obvious? You have to dig them out from the roots by destroying their reasons for existing. Turn their own people against the Hamas agenda and without that support they will be castrated and impotent.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Obviously not obvious as that is my point; your idyllic scene would never happen.
So Israel withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank, allows free trade, control of water, grants them a state, stops expanding and the settlers return to Israel.
Hamas will not leave. They will not give up their power (which would be increased by the above), the local Palestinian people would not be able to remove them. Castrate and make them impotent? What does that mean in reality? You don’t think that the Gazan people would just be subjected to living under a Hamas dictatorship? They won one election and killed the opposition over 15 years ago.
Want to know also why they won’t give up their power? Because what I have set out above is not enough for them. They want to obliterate Israel so that it no longer exists.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like the RA wanted Britain out of Northern Ireland?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really the same situation
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted about 2 hours ago
We also need to correct the misinformation about ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ being antisemitic and/or being about the end of Israel.
It’s really not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what is your understanding?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having spoken to people on the three pro Palestinian marches I’ve been on in recent weeks they all insist it’s just as simple as wanting freedom from the river Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea.
Nothing at all about eradicating Israel. Just the freedom to exist anywhere from the river to the sea. The right win Media will have you believe it’s some evil chant. Quite the opposite.
posted on 29/10/23
*wing
posted on 29/10/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
Negotiation and reconciliation is the only way to long term peace.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Couldn’t agree more but I think that ship has now sailed. The Israelis are not gonna do this by half measures.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted about 2 hours ago
We also need to correct the misinformation about ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ being antisemitic and/or being about the end of Israel.
It’s really not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what is your understanding?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes and jihad has other meanings blah blah blah
posted on 29/10/23
I've yet to read a line or passage saying 'From the river to the sea' exclusively means 'Let's kill all Jews'.
If there's one out there, I'd genuinely like to read it.
Claptrap, Titty etc, please don't quote Suella Braverman.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Robb - Under Neon Loneliness (U22716)
posted about 2 hours ago
We also need to correct the misinformation about ‘from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’ being antisemitic and/or being about the end of Israel.
It’s really not.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So what is your understanding?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Having spoken to people on the three pro Palestinian marches I’ve been on in recent weeks they all insist it’s just as simple as wanting freedom from the river Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea.
Nothing at all about eradicating Israel. Just the freedom to exist anywhere from the river to the sea. The right win Media will have you believe it’s some evil chant. Quite the opposite.
......
But geographically impossible without the end of the Israeli state, so it's use is naive and plays into the hands of the media....imo.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 22 seconds ago
I've yet to read a line or passage saying 'From the river to the sea' exclusively means 'Let's kill all Jews'.
If there's one out there, I'd genuinely like to read it.
Claptrap, Titty etc, please don't quote Suella Braverman.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s not about killing all Jews and no-one here is saying that. But it does mean the end of Israel. Suggesting otherwise is just exposing extreme bias or stupidity. Or in Nobb’s case - both.
posted on 29/10/23
A quick look at the map shows that the River Jordan doesn't entirely bisect Israel if you take it literally but if does flow along the Eastern side of the Occupied Territories
Maybe Rule Brittania should be dropped from the Last Night of The Proms..
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
Negotiation and reconciliation is the only way to long term peace.
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Couldn’t agree more but I think that ship has now sailed. The Israelis are not gonna do this by half measures.
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The ship didn’t sail after Bloody Sunday, after Enniskillen, after Brighton, after Guildford and Birmingham. It’s a choice as to whether the ship has sailed or not.
And tragically, shamefully, the Israeli government, and its supporters in the UK and the US, want to choose another way. A way that won’t bring peace to the region, won’t bring back the innocent victims of Hamas terrorism, won’t bring back innocent victims of IDF indiscriminate bombings, won’t bring reconciliation and community building amongst Jewish and Muslim communities around the world.
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