First he tells us that freedom and Israel cannot exist at the same time.
Now he tells us that giving Palestinians their inherent human rights is giving Hamas what they want.
Genius of stratospheric proportions.
It does make sense when you think Israel are going to do what I think they are going to do.
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Only if you're a genius.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 27 seconds ago
First he tells us that freedom and Israel cannot exist at the same time.
Now he tells us that giving Palestinians their inherent human rights is giving Hamas what they want.
Genius of stratospheric proportions.
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You’re really not very good at this game, are you?
1. I didn’t say that, I said that is my opinion of what the phrase from the river to sea Palestine will be free means
2. Sorry but do Hamas not want the things I listed? Do they not want those rights for Palestine?
You’re starting to make very little sense here mate. Maybe you need to eat lunch or something.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 17 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/29/i-fought-house-to-house-in-gaza-i-know-force-alone-wont-bring-peace
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Oh look!
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
It does make sense when you think Israel are going to do what I think they are going to do.
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Only if you're a genius.
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Do you seriously not think that after months and months of military campaigning that Israel will end up occupying Gaza again after having gone through all of the tunnels, all of the housing, all of the buildings one by one?
What do you think is going to happen? You’re not very forthcoming with your own predictions. I guess it’s a lot of easier to just play straw man with what other people write rather than engage in a grown up discussion about how things may play out over there, eh?
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
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Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
I didn’t say that, I said that is my opinion of what the phrase from the river to sea Palestine will be free means
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Genius.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
=====
Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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Stop changing the topic. You think giving Palestinians what they want is giving Hamas what they want. You can't tell the difference between the two. You're certifiably stoopid saan.
Good day to you Mamba, you’re in weird internet troll mode, which isn’t productive to say the least.
At least your football analogy post was very good.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 13 seconds ago
Good day to you Mamba, you’re in weird internet troll mode, which isn’t productive to say the least.
At least your football analogy post was very good.
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Standard.
Much like the settlement in Northern Ireland didn’t give the nationalists and the ‘Ra all they wanted, nor did it give the unionists and the UFF/UDA/UVF all that they wanted, it gave all sides enough that violence should cease.
In Israel/palestine that needs to start with the hostages being freed, and the bombing to stop. It’s really that simple. No side is going to get EVERYTHING they want, that’s childish to think so and reminiscent of the brexit negotiation strategy, and giving conceding to either side SOME of what they want is inevitable, and IMO necessary, to stop this indiscriminate slaughter of lives.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
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Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
=====
Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
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It's actually the only way. If he's got a better idea then we're all ears because we've all agreed that bombing and killing will not and has never worked.
Hamas isn't just a physical entity, it also embodies an ideology and you can't bomb an ideology out of existence unless you unravel it's origin from the roots.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
=====
Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
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That’s not the Middle East mate. I can’t see it happening. Would happily be wrong, of course.
If Hamas were replaced tomorrow, do people think Israel would stop expanding? No I don’t think so. Don’t see why it’s different for Hamas a group whose official charter is something that we’re all aware of.
In Israel/palestine that needs to start with the hostages being freed, and the bombing to stop. It’s really that simple. No side is going to get EVERYTHING they want, that’s childish to think so and reminiscent of the brexit negotiation strategy, and giving conceding to either side SOME of what they want is inevitable, and IMO necessary, to stop this indiscriminate slaughter of lives.
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That's unlikely to happen when Israeli officals are threatening to turn Gaza into 'a parking lot' and IDF soldiers calling ALL Palestinians 'Rabid dogs who deserve to die'. - Both quotes from BBC News on Friday evening.
The wider worry for me is the return to terror attacks in the countries offering their unwavering support to Israel like the US and UK.
Lone wolves like the Bali Bomber, the Manchester Arena Bomber and the people behind the 7/7 and London Bridge atrocities will return I'm afraid.
These fanatics are not the sharpest tools in the box and see Western civilians as fair game for their 'Attacks on Muslims' - That's despite the many Anti-War marches that proceed them.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
=====
Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
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That’s not the Middle East mate. I can’t see it happening. Would happily be wrong, of course.
If Hamas were replaced tomorrow, do people think Israel would stop expanding? No I don’t think so. Don’t see why it’s different for Hamas a group whose official charter is something that we’re all aware of.
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Because you simply don't get it and this comment demonstrates your frame of mind. Hamas doesn't exist because of and is not sustained by its charter. It is not the Hamas charter that keeps Hamas relevant. It is the apartheid and fight for freedom in Palestine that is at the core of Hamas ideology and from there their sustenance emanates.
It should be pointed out that there's no chance of free elections anytime soon in Gaza or the OT because Israel would likely target the polling stations, so Hamas are here to stay.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
=====
Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
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That’s not the Middle East mate. I can’t see it happening. Would happily be wrong, of course.
If Hamas were replaced tomorrow, do people think Israel would stop expanding? No I don’t think so. Don’t see why it’s different for Hamas a group whose official charter is something that we’re all aware of.
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It was 800 odd years of religious and culture warfare in various guises.
And you hit on the key point, it requires both sides to stop behaving as they are.
So were Israel to stop building settlements (which given how politically controversial it is even in Israel isn’t outside the realms of possibility with as above a non-warmonger in charge, Hamas to release the hostages (they’ve already released some, so again, not implausible) and Israel to stop the bombing and blocking humanitarian aid, then talks can start. Bit like for the peace process to kick off in earnest, you needed a ‘Ra ceasefire.
The ‘Ra in their charter was about removing British influence from the island of Ireland. They didn’t achieve that. But are largely gone from NI.
The thing stopping the start of the peace process is bad actors on all sides, although as above the PA are wanting to come to the table, and it is Netanyahu who has in part raised hamas so he can attempt to take a position of not being able to come to the table. And as also noted, Biden.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
=====
Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
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That’s not the Middle East mate. I can’t see it happening. Would happily be wrong, of course.
If Hamas were replaced tomorrow, do people think Israel would stop expanding? No I don’t think so. Don’t see why it’s different for Hamas a group whose official charter is something that we’re all aware of.
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It was 800 odd years of religious and culture warfare in various guises.
And you hit on the key point, it requires both sides to stop behaving as they are.
So were Israel to stop building settlements (which given how politically controversial it is even in Israel isn’t outside the realms of possibility with as above a non-warmonger in charge, Hamas to release the hostages (they’ve already released some, so again, not implausible) and Israel to stop the bombing and blocking humanitarian aid, then talks can start. Bit like for the peace process to kick off in earnest, you needed a ‘Ra ceasefire.
The ‘Ra in their charter was about removing British influence from the island of Ireland. They didn’t achieve that. But are largely gone from NI.
The thing stopping the start of the peace process is bad actors on all sides, although as above the PA are wanting to come to the table, and it is Netanyahu who has in part raised hamas so he can attempt to take a position of not being able to come to the table. And as also noted, Biden.
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I said soon after October 7, that ultimately both sides have to move on to move ahead with peace. I was ridiculed for saying this but it’s absolutely true.
I just cannot see Israel doing anything other than flattening the whole place which in turn will add fuel to Hamas.
I think what happened on October 7, what followed by Israel and what will follow from Israel has delayed peace talks of any significance by years and years, possibly generations.
Hector made a fair point of optimism at the time that it is possible that this may bring things to a head whereby it forces some kind of peace talks.
Sadly I think I’ll be right and he be wrong.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
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I said soon after October 7, that ultimately both sides have to move on to move ahead with peace. I was ridiculed for saying this but it’s absolutely true.
I just cannot see Israel doing anything other than flattening the whole place which in turn will add fuel to Hamas.
I think what happened on October 7, what followed by Israel and what will follow from Israel has delayed peace talks of any significance by years and years, possibly generations.
Hector made a fair point of optimism at the time that it is possible that this may bring things to a head whereby it forces some kind of peace talks.
Sadly I think I’ll be right and he be wrong.
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Not ridiculed by me I hope, as I agree. And it only takes a couple key people bring in the right place at the right time.
The shank hill road bombing happened a year before the ‘Ra ceasefire. I do think we need a new Israeli government though before it can progress. What gives me hope is that Netanyahu is not popular.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
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I said soon after October 7, that ultimately both sides have to move on to move ahead with peace. I was ridiculed for saying this but it’s absolutely true.
I just cannot see Israel doing anything other than flattening the whole place which in turn will add fuel to Hamas.
I think what happened on October 7, what followed by Israel and what will follow from Israel has delayed peace talks of any significance by years and years, possibly generations.
Hector made a fair point of optimism at the time that it is possible that this may bring things to a head whereby it forces some kind of peace talks.
Sadly I think I’ll be right and he be wrong.
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Not ridiculed by me I hope, as I agree. And it only takes a couple key people bring in the right place at the right time.
The shank hill road bombing happened a year before the ‘Ra ceasefire. I do think we need a new Israeli government though before it can progress. What gives me hope is that Netanyahu is not popular.
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Yeah I agree. Ultimately the right wing coalition of Israel needs to go as does Hamas. I can’t see either happening any time soon though.
This is a timely reminder how much of a cretin Hitchens is
https://x.com/jibbajabb/status/1718429731962679712?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
I just cannot see Israel doing anything other than flattening the whole place which in turn will add fuel to Hamas
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At first you said Israel would flatten Gaza and eliminate Hamas. That's what I disagreed with initially but you dragged it out so much. Glad that's cleared up though.
Until a few months ago I hadn't even heard of XL Bully dogs, and now they seem to be killing someone every other day.
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posted on 29/10/23
First he tells us that freedom and Israel cannot exist at the same time.
Now he tells us that giving Palestinians their inherent human rights is giving Hamas what they want.
Genius of stratospheric proportions.
posted on 29/10/23
It does make sense when you think Israel are going to do what I think they are going to do.
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Only if you're a genius.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 27 seconds ago
First he tells us that freedom and Israel cannot exist at the same time.
Now he tells us that giving Palestinians their inherent human rights is giving Hamas what they want.
Genius of stratospheric proportions.
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You’re really not very good at this game, are you?
1. I didn’t say that, I said that is my opinion of what the phrase from the river to sea Palestine will be free means
2. Sorry but do Hamas not want the things I listed? Do they not want those rights for Palestine?
You’re starting to make very little sense here mate. Maybe you need to eat lunch or something.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 17 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/29/i-fought-house-to-house-in-gaza-i-know-force-alone-wont-bring-peace
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Oh look!
posted on 29/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
It does make sense when you think Israel are going to do what I think they are going to do.
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Only if you're a genius.
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Do you seriously not think that after months and months of military campaigning that Israel will end up occupying Gaza again after having gone through all of the tunnels, all of the housing, all of the buildings one by one?
What do you think is going to happen? You’re not very forthcoming with your own predictions. I guess it’s a lot of easier to just play straw man with what other people write rather than engage in a grown up discussion about how things may play out over there, eh?
posted on 29/10/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
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Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
posted on 29/10/23
I didn’t say that, I said that is my opinion of what the phrase from the river to sea Palestine will be free means
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Genius.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
=====
Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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Stop changing the topic. You think giving Palestinians what they want is giving Hamas what they want. You can't tell the difference between the two. You're certifiably stoopid saan.
posted on 29/10/23
Good day to you Mamba, you’re in weird internet troll mode, which isn’t productive to say the least.
At least your football analogy post was very good.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 13 seconds ago
Good day to you Mamba, you’re in weird internet troll mode, which isn’t productive to say the least.
At least your football analogy post was very good.
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Standard.
posted on 29/10/23
Much like the settlement in Northern Ireland didn’t give the nationalists and the ‘Ra all they wanted, nor did it give the unionists and the UFF/UDA/UVF all that they wanted, it gave all sides enough that violence should cease.
In Israel/palestine that needs to start with the hostages being freed, and the bombing to stop. It’s really that simple. No side is going to get EVERYTHING they want, that’s childish to think so and reminiscent of the brexit negotiation strategy, and giving conceding to either side SOME of what they want is inevitable, and IMO necessary, to stop this indiscriminate slaughter of lives.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
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Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
=====
Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
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It's actually the only way. If he's got a better idea then we're all ears because we've all agreed that bombing and killing will not and has never worked.
Hamas isn't just a physical entity, it also embodies an ideology and you can't bomb an ideology out of existence unless you unravel it's origin from the roots.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
=====
Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
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That’s not the Middle East mate. I can’t see it happening. Would happily be wrong, of course.
If Hamas were replaced tomorrow, do people think Israel would stop expanding? No I don’t think so. Don’t see why it’s different for Hamas a group whose official charter is something that we’re all aware of.
posted on 29/10/23
In Israel/palestine that needs to start with the hostages being freed, and the bombing to stop. It’s really that simple. No side is going to get EVERYTHING they want, that’s childish to think so and reminiscent of the brexit negotiation strategy, and giving conceding to either side SOME of what they want is inevitable, and IMO necessary, to stop this indiscriminate slaughter of lives.
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That's unlikely to happen when Israeli officals are threatening to turn Gaza into 'a parking lot' and IDF soldiers calling ALL Palestinians 'Rabid dogs who deserve to die'. - Both quotes from BBC News on Friday evening.
The wider worry for me is the return to terror attacks in the countries offering their unwavering support to Israel like the US and UK.
Lone wolves like the Bali Bomber, the Manchester Arena Bomber and the people behind the 7/7 and London Bridge atrocities will return I'm afraid.
These fanatics are not the sharpest tools in the box and see Western civilians as fair game for their 'Attacks on Muslims' - That's despite the many Anti-War marches that proceed them.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
=====
Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
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That’s not the Middle East mate. I can’t see it happening. Would happily be wrong, of course.
If Hamas were replaced tomorrow, do people think Israel would stop expanding? No I don’t think so. Don’t see why it’s different for Hamas a group whose official charter is something that we’re all aware of.
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Because you simply don't get it and this comment demonstrates your frame of mind. Hamas doesn't exist because of and is not sustained by its charter. It is not the Hamas charter that keeps Hamas relevant. It is the apartheid and fight for freedom in Palestine that is at the core of Hamas ideology and from there their sustenance emanates.
posted on 29/10/23
It should be pointed out that there's no chance of free elections anytime soon in Gaza or the OT because Israel would likely target the polling stations, so Hamas are here to stay.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
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Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
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That’s not the Middle East mate. I can’t see it happening. Would happily be wrong, of course.
If Hamas were replaced tomorrow, do people think Israel would stop expanding? No I don’t think so. Don’t see why it’s different for Hamas a group whose official charter is something that we’re all aware of.
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It was 800 odd years of religious and culture warfare in various guises.
And you hit on the key point, it requires both sides to stop behaving as they are.
So were Israel to stop building settlements (which given how politically controversial it is even in Israel isn’t outside the realms of possibility with as above a non-warmonger in charge, Hamas to release the hostages (they’ve already released some, so again, not implausible) and Israel to stop the bombing and blocking humanitarian aid, then talks can start. Bit like for the peace process to kick off in earnest, you needed a ‘Ra ceasefire.
The ‘Ra in their charter was about removing British influence from the island of Ireland. They didn’t achieve that. But are largely gone from NI.
The thing stopping the start of the peace process is bad actors on all sides, although as above the PA are wanting to come to the table, and it is Netanyahu who has in part raised hamas so he can attempt to take a position of not being able to come to the table. And as also noted, Biden.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 10 minutes ago
As for your claim that if you give Hamas everything they want the people will turn on them,
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Is that what I said?
If you give Palestinians their rights, end apartheid and provide a path to statehood, they will have no reason to back Hamas. The shouldn't even have to ask for human rights as those are inherent, and their denial is why Hamas exists.
Your interpretation of that is I said to give Hamas everything they want. Look at how stoopid and biased you are. You can't even think straight. You've certifiably entered the genius realm now.
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Yes and you think that if that happens then Hamas will fall away. And you think I’m not thinking straight? Bro you’re too much 😂🤣😂
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To be fair bud, happened with the terrorists on both sides in Northern Ireland.
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That’s not the Middle East mate. I can’t see it happening. Would happily be wrong, of course.
If Hamas were replaced tomorrow, do people think Israel would stop expanding? No I don’t think so. Don’t see why it’s different for Hamas a group whose official charter is something that we’re all aware of.
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It was 800 odd years of religious and culture warfare in various guises.
And you hit on the key point, it requires both sides to stop behaving as they are.
So were Israel to stop building settlements (which given how politically controversial it is even in Israel isn’t outside the realms of possibility with as above a non-warmonger in charge, Hamas to release the hostages (they’ve already released some, so again, not implausible) and Israel to stop the bombing and blocking humanitarian aid, then talks can start. Bit like for the peace process to kick off in earnest, you needed a ‘Ra ceasefire.
The ‘Ra in their charter was about removing British influence from the island of Ireland. They didn’t achieve that. But are largely gone from NI.
The thing stopping the start of the peace process is bad actors on all sides, although as above the PA are wanting to come to the table, and it is Netanyahu who has in part raised hamas so he can attempt to take a position of not being able to come to the table. And as also noted, Biden.
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I said soon after October 7, that ultimately both sides have to move on to move ahead with peace. I was ridiculed for saying this but it’s absolutely true.
I just cannot see Israel doing anything other than flattening the whole place which in turn will add fuel to Hamas.
I think what happened on October 7, what followed by Israel and what will follow from Israel has delayed peace talks of any significance by years and years, possibly generations.
Hector made a fair point of optimism at the time that it is possible that this may bring things to a head whereby it forces some kind of peace talks.
Sadly I think I’ll be right and he be wrong.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
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I said soon after October 7, that ultimately both sides have to move on to move ahead with peace. I was ridiculed for saying this but it’s absolutely true.
I just cannot see Israel doing anything other than flattening the whole place which in turn will add fuel to Hamas.
I think what happened on October 7, what followed by Israel and what will follow from Israel has delayed peace talks of any significance by years and years, possibly generations.
Hector made a fair point of optimism at the time that it is possible that this may bring things to a head whereby it forces some kind of peace talks.
Sadly I think I’ll be right and he be wrong.
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Not ridiculed by me I hope, as I agree. And it only takes a couple key people bring in the right place at the right time.
The shank hill road bombing happened a year before the ‘Ra ceasefire. I do think we need a new Israeli government though before it can progress. What gives me hope is that Netanyahu is not popular.
posted on 29/10/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
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I said soon after October 7, that ultimately both sides have to move on to move ahead with peace. I was ridiculed for saying this but it’s absolutely true.
I just cannot see Israel doing anything other than flattening the whole place which in turn will add fuel to Hamas.
I think what happened on October 7, what followed by Israel and what will follow from Israel has delayed peace talks of any significance by years and years, possibly generations.
Hector made a fair point of optimism at the time that it is possible that this may bring things to a head whereby it forces some kind of peace talks.
Sadly I think I’ll be right and he be wrong.
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Not ridiculed by me I hope, as I agree. And it only takes a couple key people bring in the right place at the right time.
The shank hill road bombing happened a year before the ‘Ra ceasefire. I do think we need a new Israeli government though before it can progress. What gives me hope is that Netanyahu is not popular.
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Yeah I agree. Ultimately the right wing coalition of Israel needs to go as does Hamas. I can’t see either happening any time soon though.
posted on 29/10/23
This is a timely reminder how much of a cretin Hitchens is
https://x.com/jibbajabb/status/1718429731962679712?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
posted on 29/10/23
I just cannot see Israel doing anything other than flattening the whole place which in turn will add fuel to Hamas
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At first you said Israel would flatten Gaza and eliminate Hamas. That's what I disagreed with initially but you dragged it out so much. Glad that's cleared up though.
posted on 29/10/23
Until a few months ago I hadn't even heard of XL Bully dogs, and now they seem to be killing someone every other day.
What's going on?
posted on 29/10/23
Labour believes Rishi Sunak will appoint Claire Coutinho as chancellor in March to ruin Rachel Reeves' ambition of becoming the first female chancellor
Claire was Sunak's adviser before becoming an MP in 2019 and was appointed Net Zero secretary in Aug
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