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posted 17 minutes ago
When one party is using innocent defenceless little children as human shields, but you still shoot the shield anyway, that doesn’t make your decision to shoot the right one.
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So what do you think they should do in response mate?
If it were me in charge, I’d just send 1000s of troops, or however many it takes, into the tunnels on foot and deal with them that way.
They’re not carpet bombing by any means but there was always going to be a huge loss of innocent life with their response, we all knew that on October 7.
But Hamas cannot get a free pass by hiding behind civilians either.
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Not shoot the child. But then it depends on what your over-riding objective is. If it is safety for Israel, I struggle to understand how shooting a child helps that. You create martyrs, you create more people who will want to kill you in return. Bloody Sunday was the single largest recruiting tool for the PIRA.
Israel is meant to have the most advanced spy network and intelligence operation in the world. That’s what you use. Genuinely targeted. They’re bombing hospitals and refugee camps, if that doesn’t meet the criteria of indiscriminate bombing I don’t know what is. And given the volume of bombs that have been dropped on Gaza, carpet bombing isn’t a hugely unreasonable descriptor of what is happening to me.
Now if like me you think the objectives are a) revenge and b) nakba mark 2, then the decisions being taken by Israel make sense.
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Mate if they wanted to obliterate the entire area they could do it in one day.
So surgical strikes or strike team?
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They’re treading a fine line to manage international support. If they thought obliterating it in a single day was something that the world (USA) would nod along too, they would.
Intelligence on the ground and surgical “black ops” style team in order to genuinely minimise civilian casualties. The callousness of saying they’re trying to protect civilians while bombing and shooting and murdering children in cold blood is unconscionable to me. And you recently had on the news agents one of the Israeli government representatives and the 2 presenters (both Jewish btw) completely rubbished any suggestion that the IDF care about innocent Palestinian children dying.
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 17 minutes ago
When one party is using innocent defenceless little children as human shields, but you still shoot the shield anyway, that doesn’t make your decision to shoot the right one.
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So what do you think they should do in response mate?
If it were me in charge, I’d just send 1000s of troops, or however many it takes, into the tunnels on foot and deal with them that way.
They’re not carpet bombing by any means but there was always going to be a huge loss of innocent life with their response, we all knew that on October 7.
But Hamas cannot get a free pass by hiding behind civilians either.
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Not shoot the child. But then it depends on what your over-riding objective is. If it is safety for Israel, I struggle to understand how shooting a child helps that. You create martyrs, you create more people who will want to kill you in return. Bloody Sunday was the single largest recruiting tool for the PIRA.
Israel is meant to have the most advanced spy network and intelligence operation in the world. That’s what you use. Genuinely targeted. They’re bombing hospitals and refugee camps, if that doesn’t meet the criteria of indiscriminate bombing I don’t know what is. And given the volume of bombs that have been dropped on Gaza, carpet bombing isn’t a hugely unreasonable descriptor of what is happening to me.
Now if like me you think the objectives are a) revenge and b) nakba mark 2, then the decisions being taken by Israel make sense.
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Mate if they wanted to obliterate the entire area they could do it in one day.
So surgical strikes or strike team?
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They’re treading a fine line to manage international support. If they thought obliterating it in a single day was something that the world (USA) would nod along too, they would.
Intelligence on the ground and surgical “black ops” style team in order to genuinely minimise civilian casualties. The callousness of saying they’re trying to protect civilians while bombing and shooting and murdering children in cold blood is unconscionable to me. And you recently had on the news agents one of the Israeli government representatives and the 2 presenters (both Jewish btw) completely rubbished any suggestion that the IDF care about innocent Palestinian children dying.
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Yeah that’s what I would do.
I do think the Israelis do more than most will allow themselves to admit to minimise civilian casualties but I don’t expect to ever get agreement on here with that.
They certainly do more than Hamas in that regard.
You just cannot compare Hamas with the IDF on any level, from logistics to body count it's completely different.
I’m sure the Mujahideen and the Taliban have have inspired Hamas and several other similar groups
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posted 14 minutes ago
You just cannot compare Hamas with the IDF on any level, from logistics to body count it's completely different.
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Of course I can, I just did. You just don’t want to because the answer scares you.
Israel just bombed a school in Jabaliya camp which was sheltering displaced families. Its graphic footage but this is the result of Western policy in Palestine
https://x.com/cjvhenderson/status/1720041821487698415?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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You just cannot compare Hamas with the IDF on any level, from logistics to body count it's completely different.
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Of course I can, I just did. You just don’t want to because the answer scares you.
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You're so dumb.
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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You just cannot compare Hamas with the IDF on any level, from logistics to body count it's completely different.
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Of course I can, I just did. You just don’t want to because the answer scares you.
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You're so dumb.
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Mate I was only joking by giving your same phrase back to you.
There are of course many ways in that they are not comparable but that also doesn’t mean that they can escape criticism.
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 22 minutes ago
They would never admit revenge is part of their agenda IMO.
Furthermore, looking at Israel's moves over the decades, what do you think is their ultimate aim or end game? To live peacefully with Palestinians? To give them their own state? Or to cleanse the area of Palestinians? Or any other?
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Ultimate goal? End game? Are you worried about using the words "final solution"?
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posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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They couldn't have done a lot worse because they have to maintain the image of being answerable to the international community.
They don't have to go into homes. Only the less equipped Hamas do that. Israel just bomb whatever they want to bomb. In the end it's the same thing.
Rather than a strike team approach, they could just stop the apartheid and go home
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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Re: the specific targeting of civilians.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
And that's the West Bank, where Hamas don't hold sway. I don't buy the propaganda that Israel 'does it's best. Where there are no consequences soldiers behave with impunity.
In regard to your Dresden analogy, the IDFs capabilities, you're reinforcing my point that they're (Hamas/IDF) incomparable.
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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Re: the specific targeting of civilians.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
And that's the West Bank, where Hamas don't hold sway. I don't buy the propaganda that Israel 'does it's best. Where there are no consequences soldiers behave with impunity.
In regard to your Dresden analogy, the IDFs capabilities, you're reinforcing my point that they're (Hamas/IDF) incomparable.
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Hamas isn’t the only terrorist group.
I don’t think I am re: Dresden. If numbers are the deciding factor (which I don’t agree with) then 25,000 people died in a matter of days at Dresden.
As in the IDF could seriously be killing a lot more civilians if they were as evil as pretty much everyone here believe.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-soldiers-arrested-abuse-palestinians-be9a247497d7ede7d7b866f2e725fcfd
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231031-israeli-soldier-arrested-after-shooting-palestinian-farmer-dead/amp/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/4-soldiers-arrested-on-suspicion-of-beating-3-arab-israelis/amp/
As opposed to Hamas who literally paid people to go and kidnap women & children
Again, I’m not saying they’re angels. I wouldn’t do what they’re doing but they’re not the devils that the ‘propaganda’ you consume would have you believe either.
Truth is always somewhere in the middle.
They're not evil because they have the capacity to kill even more.
Congratulations. You win the internet today.
Go and take your head for a sh!t
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
As in the IDF could seriously be killing a lot more civilians if they were as evil as pretty much everyone here believe.
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No they couldn't. They're literally killing as many as they can get away with
Hamas could have done a lot worse during their attack but as some of the hostages have said, they were treated very nice. If Hamas wanted they could have killed even more people. So Hamas are nice too, since they could have done worse if they wanted.
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posted 21 minutes ago
As in the IDF could seriously be killing a lot more civilians if they were as evil as pretty much everyone here believe.
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If you mean do they have the military capability then yes of course they could kill more, likewise with Putin in Russia. As I noted above though, I think they’re treading a very fine line so as to not lose US support, so if we are talking in the tactical sense I’m not sure I agree that they could be killing a lot more.
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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Re: the specific targeting of civilians.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
And that's the West Bank, where Hamas don't hold sway. I don't buy the propaganda that Israel 'does it's best. Where there are no consequences soldiers behave with impunity.
In regard to your Dresden analogy, the IDFs capabilities, you're reinforcing my point that they're (Hamas/IDF) incomparable.
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Hamas isn’t the only terrorist group.
I don’t think I am re: Dresden. If numbers are the deciding factor (which I don’t agree with) then 25,000 people died in a matter of days at Dresden.
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If we look at the narrative about 7 Oct being worse for Israel than 9/11 for America as more % of population were killed, shouldn’t we do the same comparing Dresden bombing as a % of the population of Germany versus Gaza as % of population of Palestinian Territories?
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
As in the IDF could seriously be killing a lot more civilians if they were as evil as pretty much everyone here believe.
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If you mean do they have the military capability then yes of course they could kill more, likewise with Putin in Russia. As I noted above though, I think they’re treading a very fine line so as to not lose US support, so if we are talking in the tactical sense I’m not sure I agree that they could be killing a lot more.
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Fair enough. I disagree but fair enough.
What I mean is that they actively do things to try and limit civilian casualties. It’s not just that they could have killed tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands but they have practices that are for no reason other than to try and limit civilian casualties. Hamas do nothing of the sort.
Not to mention that the number of deaths being reported are from the respective parties ie. Israel for Israeli deaths and Hamas for Palestinian deaths. We have certainly seen exaggeration.
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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Re: the specific targeting of civilians.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
And that's the West Bank, where Hamas don't hold sway. I don't buy the propaganda that Israel 'does it's best. Where there are no consequences soldiers behave with impunity.
In regard to your Dresden analogy, the IDFs capabilities, you're reinforcing my point that they're (Hamas/IDF) incomparable.
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Hamas isn’t the only terrorist group.
I don’t think I am re: Dresden. If numbers are the deciding factor (which I don’t agree with) then 25,000 people died in a matter of days at Dresden.
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If we look at the narrative about 7 Oct being worse for Israel than 9/11 for America as more % of population were killed, shouldn’t we do the same comparing Dresden bombing as a % of the population of Germany versus Gaza as % of population of Palestinian Territories?
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We can, it would only serve to embolden my point as Dresden was done in two days; hence the nature of condensed caret bombing which isn’t what is happening in Gaza.
On the one hand you’re all saying that Israel has to carefully limit how many civilians it kills to maintain US support and the other you’re saying they’re carpet bombing indiscriminately on the same level as we did Dresden. Which is it? It cannot be both.
Another Israeli Minister calling for the complete destruction of Gaza, replacing it with beach condos. A current minister, Amichai Eliyahu
https://x.com/macaesbruno/status/1720016201672278401?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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posted on 2/11/23
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posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 17 minutes ago
When one party is using innocent defenceless little children as human shields, but you still shoot the shield anyway, that doesn’t make your decision to shoot the right one.
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So what do you think they should do in response mate?
If it were me in charge, I’d just send 1000s of troops, or however many it takes, into the tunnels on foot and deal with them that way.
They’re not carpet bombing by any means but there was always going to be a huge loss of innocent life with their response, we all knew that on October 7.
But Hamas cannot get a free pass by hiding behind civilians either.
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Not shoot the child. But then it depends on what your over-riding objective is. If it is safety for Israel, I struggle to understand how shooting a child helps that. You create martyrs, you create more people who will want to kill you in return. Bloody Sunday was the single largest recruiting tool for the PIRA.
Israel is meant to have the most advanced spy network and intelligence operation in the world. That’s what you use. Genuinely targeted. They’re bombing hospitals and refugee camps, if that doesn’t meet the criteria of indiscriminate bombing I don’t know what is. And given the volume of bombs that have been dropped on Gaza, carpet bombing isn’t a hugely unreasonable descriptor of what is happening to me.
Now if like me you think the objectives are a) revenge and b) nakba mark 2, then the decisions being taken by Israel make sense.
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Mate if they wanted to obliterate the entire area they could do it in one day.
So surgical strikes or strike team?
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They’re treading a fine line to manage international support. If they thought obliterating it in a single day was something that the world (USA) would nod along too, they would.
Intelligence on the ground and surgical “black ops” style team in order to genuinely minimise civilian casualties. The callousness of saying they’re trying to protect civilians while bombing and shooting and murdering children in cold blood is unconscionable to me. And you recently had on the news agents one of the Israeli government representatives and the 2 presenters (both Jewish btw) completely rubbished any suggestion that the IDF care about innocent Palestinian children dying.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 17 minutes ago
When one party is using innocent defenceless little children as human shields, but you still shoot the shield anyway, that doesn’t make your decision to shoot the right one.
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So what do you think they should do in response mate?
If it were me in charge, I’d just send 1000s of troops, or however many it takes, into the tunnels on foot and deal with them that way.
They’re not carpet bombing by any means but there was always going to be a huge loss of innocent life with their response, we all knew that on October 7.
But Hamas cannot get a free pass by hiding behind civilians either.
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Not shoot the child. But then it depends on what your over-riding objective is. If it is safety for Israel, I struggle to understand how shooting a child helps that. You create martyrs, you create more people who will want to kill you in return. Bloody Sunday was the single largest recruiting tool for the PIRA.
Israel is meant to have the most advanced spy network and intelligence operation in the world. That’s what you use. Genuinely targeted. They’re bombing hospitals and refugee camps, if that doesn’t meet the criteria of indiscriminate bombing I don’t know what is. And given the volume of bombs that have been dropped on Gaza, carpet bombing isn’t a hugely unreasonable descriptor of what is happening to me.
Now if like me you think the objectives are a) revenge and b) nakba mark 2, then the decisions being taken by Israel make sense.
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Mate if they wanted to obliterate the entire area they could do it in one day.
So surgical strikes or strike team?
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They’re treading a fine line to manage international support. If they thought obliterating it in a single day was something that the world (USA) would nod along too, they would.
Intelligence on the ground and surgical “black ops” style team in order to genuinely minimise civilian casualties. The callousness of saying they’re trying to protect civilians while bombing and shooting and murdering children in cold blood is unconscionable to me. And you recently had on the news agents one of the Israeli government representatives and the 2 presenters (both Jewish btw) completely rubbished any suggestion that the IDF care about innocent Palestinian children dying.
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Yeah that’s what I would do.
I do think the Israelis do more than most will allow themselves to admit to minimise civilian casualties but I don’t expect to ever get agreement on here with that.
posted on 2/11/23
They certainly do more than Hamas in that regard.
posted on 2/11/23
You just cannot compare Hamas with the IDF on any level, from logistics to body count it's completely different.
posted on 2/11/23
I’m sure the Mujahideen and the Taliban have have inspired Hamas and several other similar groups
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
You just cannot compare Hamas with the IDF on any level, from logistics to body count it's completely different.
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Of course I can, I just did. You just don’t want to because the answer scares you.
posted on 2/11/23
Israel just bombed a school in Jabaliya camp which was sheltering displaced families. Its graphic footage but this is the result of Western policy in Palestine
https://x.com/cjvhenderson/status/1720041821487698415?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
You just cannot compare Hamas with the IDF on any level, from logistics to body count it's completely different.
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Of course I can, I just did. You just don’t want to because the answer scares you.
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You're so dumb.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 14 minutes ago
You just cannot compare Hamas with the IDF on any level, from logistics to body count it's completely different.
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Of course I can, I just did. You just don’t want to because the answer scares you.
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You're so dumb.
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Mate I was only joking by giving your same phrase back to you.
There are of course many ways in that they are not comparable but that also doesn’t mean that they can escape criticism.
posted on 2/11/23
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
posted on 2/11/23
comment by son of quebec (U8127)
posted 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 22 minutes ago
They would never admit revenge is part of their agenda IMO.
Furthermore, looking at Israel's moves over the decades, what do you think is their ultimate aim or end game? To live peacefully with Palestinians? To give them their own state? Or to cleanse the area of Palestinians? Or any other?
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Ultimate goal? End game? Are you worried about using the words "final solution"?
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posted on 2/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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They couldn't have done a lot worse because they have to maintain the image of being answerable to the international community.
They don't have to go into homes. Only the less equipped Hamas do that. Israel just bomb whatever they want to bomb. In the end it's the same thing.
Rather than a strike team approach, they could just stop the apartheid and go home
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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Re: the specific targeting of civilians.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
And that's the West Bank, where Hamas don't hold sway. I don't buy the propaganda that Israel 'does it's best. Where there are no consequences soldiers behave with impunity.
In regard to your Dresden analogy, the IDFs capabilities, you're reinforcing my point that they're (Hamas/IDF) incomparable.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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Re: the specific targeting of civilians.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
And that's the West Bank, where Hamas don't hold sway. I don't buy the propaganda that Israel 'does it's best. Where there are no consequences soldiers behave with impunity.
In regard to your Dresden analogy, the IDFs capabilities, you're reinforcing my point that they're (Hamas/IDF) incomparable.
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Hamas isn’t the only terrorist group.
I don’t think I am re: Dresden. If numbers are the deciding factor (which I don’t agree with) then 25,000 people died in a matter of days at Dresden.
posted on 2/11/23
As in the IDF could seriously be killing a lot more civilians if they were as evil as pretty much everyone here believe.
posted on 2/11/23
https://apnews.com/article/israel-soldiers-arrested-abuse-palestinians-be9a247497d7ede7d7b866f2e725fcfd
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231031-israeli-soldier-arrested-after-shooting-palestinian-farmer-dead/amp/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/4-soldiers-arrested-on-suspicion-of-beating-3-arab-israelis/amp/
As opposed to Hamas who literally paid people to go and kidnap women & children
Again, I’m not saying they’re angels. I wouldn’t do what they’re doing but they’re not the devils that the ‘propaganda’ you consume would have you believe either.
Truth is always somewhere in the middle.
posted on 2/11/23
They're not evil because they have the capacity to kill even more.
Congratulations. You win the internet today.
Go and take your head for a sh!t
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 15 minutes ago
As in the IDF could seriously be killing a lot more civilians if they were as evil as pretty much everyone here believe.
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No they couldn't. They're literally killing as many as they can get away with
posted on 2/11/23
Hamas could have done a lot worse during their attack but as some of the hostages have said, they were treated very nice. If Hamas wanted they could have killed even more people. So Hamas are nice too, since they could have done worse if they wanted.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
As in the IDF could seriously be killing a lot more civilians if they were as evil as pretty much everyone here believe.
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If you mean do they have the military capability then yes of course they could kill more, likewise with Putin in Russia. As I noted above though, I think they’re treading a very fine line so as to not lose US support, so if we are talking in the tactical sense I’m not sure I agree that they could be killing a lot more.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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Re: the specific targeting of civilians.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
And that's the West Bank, where Hamas don't hold sway. I don't buy the propaganda that Israel 'does it's best. Where there are no consequences soldiers behave with impunity.
In regard to your Dresden analogy, the IDFs capabilities, you're reinforcing my point that they're (Hamas/IDF) incomparable.
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Hamas isn’t the only terrorist group.
I don’t think I am re: Dresden. If numbers are the deciding factor (which I don’t agree with) then 25,000 people died in a matter of days at Dresden.
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If we look at the narrative about 7 Oct being worse for Israel than 9/11 for America as more % of population were killed, shouldn’t we do the same comparing Dresden bombing as a % of the population of Germany versus Gaza as % of population of Palestinian Territories?
posted on 2/11/23
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 21 minutes ago
As in the IDF could seriously be killing a lot more civilians if they were as evil as pretty much everyone here believe.
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If you mean do they have the military capability then yes of course they could kill more, likewise with Putin in Russia. As I noted above though, I think they’re treading a very fine line so as to not lose US support, so if we are talking in the tactical sense I’m not sure I agree that they could be killing a lot more.
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Fair enough. I disagree but fair enough.
What I mean is that they actively do things to try and limit civilian casualties. It’s not just that they could have killed tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands but they have practices that are for no reason other than to try and limit civilian casualties. Hamas do nothing of the sort.
Not to mention that the number of deaths being reported are from the respective parties ie. Israel for Israeli deaths and Hamas for Palestinian deaths. We have certainly seen exaggeration.
posted on 2/11/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
I should have added a smiley, I knew what you were doing.
Hamas deserve every bit of criticism that comes their way for their slaughter of innocents just as much as the IDF get theirs. I was just reacting to the minimising of civilian casualties bit, they've killed thousands in 2-3 weeks.
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Sure but my point is two fold really and without absolving them of responsibility (as I’ve already said, I would do a tactical strike team approach rather than missiles):
1. I don’t think they have gone into homes specifically targeting civilians and murdering them point blank whilst unarmed like we saw on October 7
2. They could have done a lot worse (Dresden style)
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Re: the specific targeting of civilians.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
And that's the West Bank, where Hamas don't hold sway. I don't buy the propaganda that Israel 'does it's best. Where there are no consequences soldiers behave with impunity.
In regard to your Dresden analogy, the IDFs capabilities, you're reinforcing my point that they're (Hamas/IDF) incomparable.
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Hamas isn’t the only terrorist group.
I don’t think I am re: Dresden. If numbers are the deciding factor (which I don’t agree with) then 25,000 people died in a matter of days at Dresden.
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If we look at the narrative about 7 Oct being worse for Israel than 9/11 for America as more % of population were killed, shouldn’t we do the same comparing Dresden bombing as a % of the population of Germany versus Gaza as % of population of Palestinian Territories?
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We can, it would only serve to embolden my point as Dresden was done in two days; hence the nature of condensed caret bombing which isn’t what is happening in Gaza.
On the one hand you’re all saying that Israel has to carefully limit how many civilians it kills to maintain US support and the other you’re saying they’re carpet bombing indiscriminately on the same level as we did Dresden. Which is it? It cannot be both.
posted on 2/11/23
Another Israeli Minister calling for the complete destruction of Gaza, replacing it with beach condos. A current minister, Amichai Eliyahu
https://x.com/macaesbruno/status/1720016201672278401?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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