I never said that, but it's ridiculous to expect Israel to hand over prisoners after the Oct 7th attack
====
What about before the attacks?
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
There was a guy on the radio a couple of weeks ago trying to explain why a tweet from a released hostage was deleted. Unfortunately, the annoying Stephen Nolan kept speaking over him.
The original tweet written by an Israeli women said she was sat with the Hamas fighters in her living room, she said they were curteous and were explaining their motives.
IDF vechicles rolled up and basically detroyed all the homes around hers, most of them were full of Israeli families at the time. She pointed out the Hamas fighters were only armed with assault rifles, not the heavy weaponary required to completely destroy all the houses and cars in the kibbutz.
Al Jazeera are now going with this story with the aid of IDF whistleblowers. It's doubtful we'll ever get the full truth though.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's assume the above is true
Why would the IDF kill Israelis and destroy their homes?
And does the above account complete negate the rape, torture and burning of bodies which Hamas livestreamed and bragged about?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The claim was that they destroyed any building they thought may have contained Hamas fighters, regardless of any innocent civillians who were in them at the time.
The alleged executions of babies etc is widely disputed, the footage was shown to selected journalists who weren't allowed to keep a copy or ask questions. They couldn't be independently verified.
I really hope they were fake for the sake of the innocent families.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 20 minutes ago
What happened with loyalist and Republican terrorists in Northern Ireland?
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This is a question directed at you clappers.
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I'm a twin, and both me and my brother joined the army when we left college, we never served in Ireland (brother is still in the TA) but the TGFA never sat well with either of us. Just imagine it was your relative who was murdered and the murderer was released after after a couple of years.
And does the above account complete negate the rape, torture and burning of bodies which Hamas livestreamed and bragged about?
====
Pretty much the same way the Oct 7 attacks seem to negate everything that's happened before in the psyche of some people, even though Israel's been doing worse for years before that.
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
I never said that, but it's ridiculous to expect Israel to hand over prisoners after the Oct 7th attack
====
What about before the attacks?
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Fecking right, anyone INNOCENT shouldn't be in jail, but Hamas wants all Palestinian prisoners to be released. If Israel caved into Hamas's demands they'd be deemed weak and the attacks would never stop.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
I never said that, but it's ridiculous to expect Israel to hand over prisoners after the Oct 7th attack
====
What about before the attacks?
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Fecking right, anyone INNOCENT shouldn't be in jail, but Hamas wants all Palestinian prisoners to be released. If Israel caved into Hamas's demands they'd be deemed weak and the attacks would never stop.
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In that case then let Israel release the one innocent ones first.
Oh wait, they can't do that because even Israel don't know which ones are innocent because you need a trial to know that.
There is no defence for the indefensible.
Clapfree probably thinks the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were justified after 9/11
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 20 minutes ago
What happened with loyalist and Republican terrorists in Northern Ireland?
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This is a question directed at you clappers.
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I'm a twin, and both me and my brother joined the army when we left college, we never served in Ireland (brother is still in the TA) but the TGFA never sat well with either of us. Just imagine it was your relative who was murdered and the murderer was released after after a couple of years.
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Northern Ireland now being one of the safest places in the world doesn’t sit well with you? My point being this, eventually, you have to sit down with your enemies and negotiate. We had 800 years of religious and cultural violence. Irelands population to this day hasn’t recovered from the damage caused by the British. And yes, there are people walking around free in Northern Ireland today who committed horrible crimes. Much as there are former British soldiers walking around the UK today who have also committed horrible unspeakable crimes. But, you go out into the streets for Belfast, you go out in the streets of Derry, or Armagh, and as the people there about whether they’re willing to let some bad people walk around for the chance of peace, well, we know how NI voted in 1998, and I dare say that the strength of feeling of support is even stronger today.
You have a clear, coherent example of a successful peace process, and each point you make (the latest I’m seeing being that releasing prisoners makes you look weak and means attacks never stop) is credibly countered with the example of NI.
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 14 minutes ago
Clapfree probably thinks the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were justified after 9/11
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He can't be that thick surely?
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 58 minutes ago
And does the above account complete negate the rape, torture and burning of bodies which Hamas livestreamed and bragged about?
====
Pretty much the same way the Oct 7 attacks seem to negate everything that's happened before in the psyche of some people, even though Israel's been doing worse for years before that.
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Nah you've removed the rest of the post to totally change the context. First I'll make an obvious comment but clearly needs to be said... No atrocity is forgiven by one that came before it
My earlier comment is in relation to this attempt to say that because IDF killed some Israeli civilians the crimes of Hamas on the 7th can now be discounted or didn't happen, when Hamas admitted, bragged and broadcast it
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 20 minutes ago
What happened with loyalist and Republican terrorists in Northern Ireland?
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This is a question directed at you clappers.
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I'm a twin, and both me and my brother joined the army when we left college, we never served in Ireland (brother is still in the TA) but the TGFA never sat well with either of us. Just imagine it was your relative who was murdered and the murderer was released after after a couple of years.
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Northern Ireland now being one of the safest places in the world doesn’t sit well with you? My point being this, eventually, you have to sit down with your enemies and negotiate. We had 800 years of religious and cultural violence. Irelands population to this day hasn’t recovered from the damage caused by the British. And yes, there are people walking around free in Northern Ireland today who committed horrible crimes. Much as there are former British soldiers walking around the UK today who have also committed horrible unspeakable crimes. But, you go out into the streets for Belfast, you go out in the streets of Derry, or Armagh, and as the people there about whether they’re willing to let some bad people walk around for the chance of peace, well, we know how NI voted in 1998, and I dare say that the strength of feeling of support is even stronger today.
You have a clear, coherent example of a successful peace process, and each point you make (the latest I’m seeing being that releasing prisoners makes you look weak and means attacks never stop) is credibly countered with the example of NI.
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I can tell by the wording of your post that you've got far more hatred towards the British army than you have towards Irish Paramilitaries, and as you live there it's your prerogative.
My question was, what should Israel have done after the attack, Boris suggested we should hand over Palestinian prisoners, I simply pointed out it was a stupid idea. You don't reward terrorists for killing your citizens ffs. I'm all for some form of compromise if it brings peace, but that takes time, Israel can't allow this attack to go unpunished because if they did, Hamas will see them as weak.
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
I never said that, but it's ridiculous to expect Israel to hand over prisoners after the Oct 7th attack
====
What about before the attacks?
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Fecking right, anyone INNOCENT shouldn't be in jail, but Hamas wants all Palestinian prisoners to be released. If Israel caved into Hamas's demands they'd be deemed weak and the attacks would never stop.
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In that case then let Israel release the one innocent ones first.
Oh wait, they can't do that because even Israel don't know which ones are innocent because you need a trial to know that.
There is no defence for the indefensible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're surmising.
To turn it back on you clap... Do you honestly think Israel's current course of revenge slaughter (something they have admitted to doing) is going to achieve anything more than further misery down the line?
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
To turn it back on you clap... Do you honestly think Israel's current course of revenge slaughter (something they have admitted to doing) is going to achieve anything more than further misery down the line?
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I hold my hands up, I haven't a clue what the solution is. I don't want innocent people killed, but at the same time how do you punish Hamas if they use civilians as human shields? Most of the nodding donkey's on here reckon Israel should just capitulate and give Hamas everything they want.
Remind us again what Hamas want.
Don't embarass youself by saying the destruction of Israel.
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 58 minutes ago
And does the above account complete negate the rape, torture and burning of bodies which Hamas livestreamed and bragged about?
====
Pretty much the same way the Oct 7 attacks seem to negate everything that's happened before in the psyche of some people, even though Israel's been doing worse for years before that.
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Nah you've removed the rest of the post to totally change the context. First I'll make an obvious comment but clearly needs to be said... No atrocity is forgiven by one that came before it
My earlier comment is in relation to this attempt to say that because IDF killed some Israeli civilians the crimes of Hamas on the 7th can now be discounted or didn't happen, when Hamas admitted, bragged and broadcast it
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Fair enough tbh.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
To turn it back on you clap... Do you honestly think Israel's current course of revenge slaughter (something they have admitted to doing) is going to achieve anything more than further misery down the line?
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I hold my hands up, I haven't a clue what the solution is. I don't want innocent people killed, but at the same time how do you punish Hamas if they use civilians as human shields? Most of the nodding donkey's on here reckon Israel should just capitulate and give Hamas everything they want.
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No. Again, Israel should remove the reasons for Hamas' existence. Giving Palestinians their rights is not giving Hamas what they want.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 20 minutes ago
What happened with loyalist and Republican terrorists in Northern Ireland?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a question directed at you clappers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm a twin, and both me and my brother joined the army when we left college, we never served in Ireland (brother is still in the TA) but the TGFA never sat well with either of us. Just imagine it was your relative who was murdered and the murderer was released after after a couple of years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Northern Ireland now being one of the safest places in the world doesn’t sit well with you? My point being this, eventually, you have to sit down with your enemies and negotiate. We had 800 years of religious and cultural violence. Irelands population to this day hasn’t recovered from the damage caused by the British. And yes, there are people walking around free in Northern Ireland today who committed horrible crimes. Much as there are former British soldiers walking around the UK today who have also committed horrible unspeakable crimes. But, you go out into the streets for Belfast, you go out in the streets of Derry, or Armagh, and as the people there about whether they’re willing to let some bad people walk around for the chance of peace, well, we know how NI voted in 1998, and I dare say that the strength of feeling of support is even stronger today.
You have a clear, coherent example of a successful peace process, and each point you make (the latest I’m seeing being that releasing prisoners makes you look weak and means attacks never stop) is credibly countered with the example of NI.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can tell by the wording of your post that you've got far more hatred towards the British army than you have towards Irish Paramilitaries, and as you live there it's your prerogative.
My question was, what should Israel have done after the attack, Boris suggested we should hand over Palestinian prisoners, I simply pointed out it was a stupid idea. You don't reward terrorists for killing your citizens ffs. I'm all for some form of compromise if it brings peace, but that takes time, Israel can't allow this attack to go unpunished because if they did, Hamas will see them as weak.
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I’ll only ask this once, don’t assign any hatred on my behalf to any group. My wee cousin is currently serving overseas in the British armed forces, so if you’re to go down that bad faith road then you can engage with other people.
I don’t live in Ireland.
I oppose all violence, by the <eye>RA, by loyalist paramilitaries and by the British army.
Whether they did it on 8th October, today, tomorrow, any time, what Israel needs to do is what it has needed to do for decades, sit down, with the Palestinians (and yes that may include members of Hamas, it may not, remembering Hamas is a spectrum much like the ‘RA was a spectrum) with the US, with the Qataris, and work towards a 2 state solution and peace.
You seem to know the mind of Hamas in suggesting what they would view as weak. Did Adams and McGuinness view Major or Blair as weak? Or Hume? Or Trimble? I think you’ll find they did not.
I am not sure a comparison between the I RA and Hamas is a good one.
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 13 minutes ago
I am not sure a comparison between the I RA and Hamas is a good one.
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Because although Catholics in the north were second class citizens, that pales into insignificance when compared to the lives of Palestinians?
Hamas command centre under a hospital. Fackin wow can these terrorist khunts get any more sickening
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 (U12980)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamas command centre under a hospital. Fackin wow can these terrorist khunts get any more sickening
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Is it still yesterday where you are?
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 (U12980)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamas command centre under a hospital. Fackin wow can these terrorist khunts get any more sickening
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Is it still yesterday where you are?
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Not all of us are sad enough to stay indoors and read the news on a Saturday
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 (U12980)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamas command centre under a hospital. Fackin wow can these terrorist khunts get any more sickening
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Is it still yesterday where you are?
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The Command Centre is so well hidden, no one can find it.
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posted on 19/11/23
I never said that, but it's ridiculous to expect Israel to hand over prisoners after the Oct 7th attack
====
What about before the attacks?
posted on 19/11/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
There was a guy on the radio a couple of weeks ago trying to explain why a tweet from a released hostage was deleted. Unfortunately, the annoying Stephen Nolan kept speaking over him.
The original tweet written by an Israeli women said she was sat with the Hamas fighters in her living room, she said they were curteous and were explaining their motives.
IDF vechicles rolled up and basically detroyed all the homes around hers, most of them were full of Israeli families at the time. She pointed out the Hamas fighters were only armed with assault rifles, not the heavy weaponary required to completely destroy all the houses and cars in the kibbutz.
Al Jazeera are now going with this story with the aid of IDF whistleblowers. It's doubtful we'll ever get the full truth though.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's assume the above is true
Why would the IDF kill Israelis and destroy their homes?
And does the above account complete negate the rape, torture and burning of bodies which Hamas livestreamed and bragged about?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The claim was that they destroyed any building they thought may have contained Hamas fighters, regardless of any innocent civillians who were in them at the time.
The alleged executions of babies etc is widely disputed, the footage was shown to selected journalists who weren't allowed to keep a copy or ask questions. They couldn't be independently verified.
I really hope they were fake for the sake of the innocent families.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 20 minutes ago
What happened with loyalist and Republican terrorists in Northern Ireland?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a question directed at you clappers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm a twin, and both me and my brother joined the army when we left college, we never served in Ireland (brother is still in the TA) but the TGFA never sat well with either of us. Just imagine it was your relative who was murdered and the murderer was released after after a couple of years.
posted on 19/11/23
And does the above account complete negate the rape, torture and burning of bodies which Hamas livestreamed and bragged about?
====
Pretty much the same way the Oct 7 attacks seem to negate everything that's happened before in the psyche of some people, even though Israel's been doing worse for years before that.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
I never said that, but it's ridiculous to expect Israel to hand over prisoners after the Oct 7th attack
====
What about before the attacks?
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Fecking right, anyone INNOCENT shouldn't be in jail, but Hamas wants all Palestinian prisoners to be released. If Israel caved into Hamas's demands they'd be deemed weak and the attacks would never stop.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
I never said that, but it's ridiculous to expect Israel to hand over prisoners after the Oct 7th attack
====
What about before the attacks?
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Fecking right, anyone INNOCENT shouldn't be in jail, but Hamas wants all Palestinian prisoners to be released. If Israel caved into Hamas's demands they'd be deemed weak and the attacks would never stop.
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In that case then let Israel release the one innocent ones first.
Oh wait, they can't do that because even Israel don't know which ones are innocent because you need a trial to know that.
There is no defence for the indefensible.
posted on 19/11/23
Clapfree probably thinks the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were justified after 9/11
posted on 19/11/23
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 20 minutes ago
What happened with loyalist and Republican terrorists in Northern Ireland?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a question directed at you clappers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm a twin, and both me and my brother joined the army when we left college, we never served in Ireland (brother is still in the TA) but the TGFA never sat well with either of us. Just imagine it was your relative who was murdered and the murderer was released after after a couple of years.
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Northern Ireland now being one of the safest places in the world doesn’t sit well with you? My point being this, eventually, you have to sit down with your enemies and negotiate. We had 800 years of religious and cultural violence. Irelands population to this day hasn’t recovered from the damage caused by the British. And yes, there are people walking around free in Northern Ireland today who committed horrible crimes. Much as there are former British soldiers walking around the UK today who have also committed horrible unspeakable crimes. But, you go out into the streets for Belfast, you go out in the streets of Derry, or Armagh, and as the people there about whether they’re willing to let some bad people walk around for the chance of peace, well, we know how NI voted in 1998, and I dare say that the strength of feeling of support is even stronger today.
You have a clear, coherent example of a successful peace process, and each point you make (the latest I’m seeing being that releasing prisoners makes you look weak and means attacks never stop) is credibly countered with the example of NI.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Robb - Glenn Maxwell. Legend. Hero. Icon. (U22716)
posted 14 minutes ago
Clapfree probably thinks the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were justified after 9/11
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He can't be that thick surely?
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 58 minutes ago
And does the above account complete negate the rape, torture and burning of bodies which Hamas livestreamed and bragged about?
====
Pretty much the same way the Oct 7 attacks seem to negate everything that's happened before in the psyche of some people, even though Israel's been doing worse for years before that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nah you've removed the rest of the post to totally change the context. First I'll make an obvious comment but clearly needs to be said... No atrocity is forgiven by one that came before it
My earlier comment is in relation to this attempt to say that because IDF killed some Israeli civilians the crimes of Hamas on the 7th can now be discounted or didn't happen, when Hamas admitted, bragged and broadcast it
posted on 19/11/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 20 minutes ago
What happened with loyalist and Republican terrorists in Northern Ireland?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a question directed at you clappers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm a twin, and both me and my brother joined the army when we left college, we never served in Ireland (brother is still in the TA) but the TGFA never sat well with either of us. Just imagine it was your relative who was murdered and the murderer was released after after a couple of years.
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Northern Ireland now being one of the safest places in the world doesn’t sit well with you? My point being this, eventually, you have to sit down with your enemies and negotiate. We had 800 years of religious and cultural violence. Irelands population to this day hasn’t recovered from the damage caused by the British. And yes, there are people walking around free in Northern Ireland today who committed horrible crimes. Much as there are former British soldiers walking around the UK today who have also committed horrible unspeakable crimes. But, you go out into the streets for Belfast, you go out in the streets of Derry, or Armagh, and as the people there about whether they’re willing to let some bad people walk around for the chance of peace, well, we know how NI voted in 1998, and I dare say that the strength of feeling of support is even stronger today.
You have a clear, coherent example of a successful peace process, and each point you make (the latest I’m seeing being that releasing prisoners makes you look weak and means attacks never stop) is credibly countered with the example of NI.
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I can tell by the wording of your post that you've got far more hatred towards the British army than you have towards Irish Paramilitaries, and as you live there it's your prerogative.
My question was, what should Israel have done after the attack, Boris suggested we should hand over Palestinian prisoners, I simply pointed out it was a stupid idea. You don't reward terrorists for killing your citizens ffs. I'm all for some form of compromise if it brings peace, but that takes time, Israel can't allow this attack to go unpunished because if they did, Hamas will see them as weak.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
I never said that, but it's ridiculous to expect Israel to hand over prisoners after the Oct 7th attack
====
What about before the attacks?
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Fecking right, anyone INNOCENT shouldn't be in jail, but Hamas wants all Palestinian prisoners to be released. If Israel caved into Hamas's demands they'd be deemed weak and the attacks would never stop.
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In that case then let Israel release the one innocent ones first.
Oh wait, they can't do that because even Israel don't know which ones are innocent because you need a trial to know that.
There is no defence for the indefensible.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You're surmising.
posted on 19/11/23
To turn it back on you clap... Do you honestly think Israel's current course of revenge slaughter (something they have admitted to doing) is going to achieve anything more than further misery down the line?
posted on 19/11/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
To turn it back on you clap... Do you honestly think Israel's current course of revenge slaughter (something they have admitted to doing) is going to achieve anything more than further misery down the line?
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I hold my hands up, I haven't a clue what the solution is. I don't want innocent people killed, but at the same time how do you punish Hamas if they use civilians as human shields? Most of the nodding donkey's on here reckon Israel should just capitulate and give Hamas everything they want.
posted on 19/11/23
Remind us again what Hamas want.
Don't embarass youself by saying the destruction of Israel.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 58 minutes ago
And does the above account complete negate the rape, torture and burning of bodies which Hamas livestreamed and bragged about?
====
Pretty much the same way the Oct 7 attacks seem to negate everything that's happened before in the psyche of some people, even though Israel's been doing worse for years before that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nah you've removed the rest of the post to totally change the context. First I'll make an obvious comment but clearly needs to be said... No atrocity is forgiven by one that came before it
My earlier comment is in relation to this attempt to say that because IDF killed some Israeli civilians the crimes of Hamas on the 7th can now be discounted or didn't happen, when Hamas admitted, bragged and broadcast it
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough tbh.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 1 minute ago
To turn it back on you clap... Do you honestly think Israel's current course of revenge slaughter (something they have admitted to doing) is going to achieve anything more than further misery down the line?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I hold my hands up, I haven't a clue what the solution is. I don't want innocent people killed, but at the same time how do you punish Hamas if they use civilians as human shields? Most of the nodding donkey's on here reckon Israel should just capitulate and give Hamas everything they want.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No. Again, Israel should remove the reasons for Hamas' existence. Giving Palestinians their rights is not giving Hamas what they want.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 20 minutes ago
What happened with loyalist and Republican terrorists in Northern Ireland?
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This is a question directed at you clappers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm a twin, and both me and my brother joined the army when we left college, we never served in Ireland (brother is still in the TA) but the TGFA never sat well with either of us. Just imagine it was your relative who was murdered and the murderer was released after after a couple of years.
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Northern Ireland now being one of the safest places in the world doesn’t sit well with you? My point being this, eventually, you have to sit down with your enemies and negotiate. We had 800 years of religious and cultural violence. Irelands population to this day hasn’t recovered from the damage caused by the British. And yes, there are people walking around free in Northern Ireland today who committed horrible crimes. Much as there are former British soldiers walking around the UK today who have also committed horrible unspeakable crimes. But, you go out into the streets for Belfast, you go out in the streets of Derry, or Armagh, and as the people there about whether they’re willing to let some bad people walk around for the chance of peace, well, we know how NI voted in 1998, and I dare say that the strength of feeling of support is even stronger today.
You have a clear, coherent example of a successful peace process, and each point you make (the latest I’m seeing being that releasing prisoners makes you look weak and means attacks never stop) is credibly countered with the example of NI.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can tell by the wording of your post that you've got far more hatred towards the British army than you have towards Irish Paramilitaries, and as you live there it's your prerogative.
My question was, what should Israel have done after the attack, Boris suggested we should hand over Palestinian prisoners, I simply pointed out it was a stupid idea. You don't reward terrorists for killing your citizens ffs. I'm all for some form of compromise if it brings peace, but that takes time, Israel can't allow this attack to go unpunished because if they did, Hamas will see them as weak.
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I’ll only ask this once, don’t assign any hatred on my behalf to any group. My wee cousin is currently serving overseas in the British armed forces, so if you’re to go down that bad faith road then you can engage with other people.
I don’t live in Ireland.
I oppose all violence, by the <eye>RA, by loyalist paramilitaries and by the British army.
Whether they did it on 8th October, today, tomorrow, any time, what Israel needs to do is what it has needed to do for decades, sit down, with the Palestinians (and yes that may include members of Hamas, it may not, remembering Hamas is a spectrum much like the ‘RA was a spectrum) with the US, with the Qataris, and work towards a 2 state solution and peace.
You seem to know the mind of Hamas in suggesting what they would view as weak. Did Adams and McGuinness view Major or Blair as weak? Or Hume? Or Trimble? I think you’ll find they did not.
posted on 19/11/23
I am not sure a comparison between the I RA and Hamas is a good one.
posted on 19/11/23
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 13 minutes ago
I am not sure a comparison between the I RA and Hamas is a good one.
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Because although Catholics in the north were second class citizens, that pales into insignificance when compared to the lives of Palestinians?
posted on 19/11/23
Hamas command centre under a hospital. Fackin wow can these terrorist khunts get any more sickening
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 (U12980)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamas command centre under a hospital. Fackin wow can these terrorist khunts get any more sickening
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Is it still yesterday where you are?
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 (U12980)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamas command centre under a hospital. Fackin wow can these terrorist khunts get any more sickening
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Is it still yesterday where you are?
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Not all of us are sad enough to stay indoors and read the news on a Saturday
posted on 19/11/23
comment by Mamba - Come at the King, you best not miss (U1282)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. #Trump2024 (U12980)
posted 1 minute ago
Hamas command centre under a hospital. Fackin wow can these terrorist khunts get any more sickening
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Is it still yesterday where you are?
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posted on 19/11/23
The Command Centre is so well hidden, no one can find it.
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