comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/YoungConNetwork/status/1726572805196771524?t=oK-P7NytuGjqqAmOa_1CEQ&s=19
Young Conservatives closing down with a long statement
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Good. No more crop circles in fields then.
Sickening disgrace at Knesset, where NatSecMin Itamar Ben Gvir, a smirking racial supremacist & ex terrorist (& his minions) are screaming at families of Israeli hostages "You don't have a monopoly on pain!" and worse. @KarivGilad tries &fails to calm it
https://x.com/ntarnopolsky/status/1726580774361813064?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
Government official abusing their own people, this is the true face of Israel
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 13 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/YoungConNetwork/status/1726572805196771524?t=oK-P7NytuGjqqAmOa_1CEQ&s=19
Young Conservatives closing down with a long statement
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Nothing cringier than a self-ID'ing, spotty faced, Young Conservative, such a weird branch of humanity.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 13 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/YoungConNetwork/status/1726572805196771524?t=oK-P7NytuGjqqAmOa_1CEQ&s=19
Young Conservatives closing down with a long statement
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing cringier than a self-ID'ing, spotty faced, Young Conservative, such a weird branch of humanity.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good summary of NPE
Covid Enquiry: Sir Patrick Vallance,GVTs Chief Scientific Adviser giving evidence. Claiming that Boris Johnson is a bit thick and didnt understand the charts and graphs that they were presenting to him. In fact, he was 'bamboozled!'
"Planes are bombing,
destruction, destruction...
In a year there will be nothing there,
And we will safely return to our homes,
Within a year,
We will annihilate everyone,
And then we will return to our fields..."
The anthem of genocide
https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1726345295515058255
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
"Planes are bombing,
destruction, destruction...
In a year there will be nothing there,
And we will safely return to our homes,
Within a year,
We will annihilate everyone,
And then we will return to our fields..."
The anthem of genocide
https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1726345295515058255
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not exactly Reuters
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lololol
No, not as the same in the 80s but if you think that the modern conservatives are proper conservatives then I cannot help you further.
His point is that both parties have betrayed what they stand for in order to appeal fully centrist and get in. Blair wasn’t Labour, Cameron wasn’t Conservative. That’s his point and he’s not wrong tbf
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lololol
No, not as the same in the 80s but if you think that the modern conservatives are proper conservatives then I cannot help you further.
His point is that both parties have betrayed what they stand for in order to appeal fully centrist and get in. Blair wasn’t Labour, Cameron wasn’t Conservative. That’s his point and he’s not wrong tbf
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but you have to hold the centre ground to get elected as not enough voters in the UK are going to vote for a left wing government and not enough are going to vote for a rightwi....... err hold on.... maybe there are!
Bojo shown up as a thick get
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5orw-qO4Bc
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lololol
No, not as the same in the 80s but if you think that the modern conservatives are proper conservatives then I cannot help you further.
His point is that both parties have betrayed what they stand for in order to appeal fully centrist and get in. Blair wasn’t Labour, Cameron wasn’t Conservative. That’s his point and he’s not wrong tbf
----------------------------------------------------------------------
100% correct
amazes me people think the modern day conservative party is "hard right"
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lololol
No, not as the same in the 80s but if you think that the modern conservatives are proper conservatives then I cannot help you further.
His point is that both parties have betrayed what they stand for in order to appeal fully centrist and get in. Blair wasn’t Labour, Cameron wasn’t Conservative. That’s his point and he’s not wrong tbf
----------------------------------------------------------------------
but you have to hold the centre ground to get elected as not enough voters in the UK are going to vote for a left wing government and not enough are going to vote for a rightwi....... err hold on.... maybe there are!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree. I’ve said that to proper Labour voters who hate Starmer and always have done that you need centrism to get in. Then you can change things more towards how you want things to be. The problem is that proper Labour voters, true left wing idealists (I don’t mean this as a criticism) are too true to what they believe in and they’re less likely to compromise to get in, unlike conservatives on the whole.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t appreciate the recent Tory governments from a conservative perspective at all but I’m more likely to vote Theresa May to stop Corbyn than Labour voters would vote Starmer to stop a proper conservative.
You’re right in that there aren’t enough pure left wingers in this country to vote a proper socialist type party in (currently), the country is generally more conservative than progressive / socialist etc.
Back in the day a more socialist approach was still relatively new and appealing but it failed so much across the world in the second half of the 20th century and beyond that it lost a lot of support. Hence a comprising social democrat position grew which aims to make the most of both but with an overall focus on average betterment across society. The problem with this is that this only seems to work with much smaller countries. Also these terms are far too broad to accurately depict any given country’s politics or economics.
Our country for example, many on here would adamantly say that it’s capitalist, others may say that it’s extremely capitalist pouting to growing gaps between the richest and the poorest or cronyism etc. But we have a huge welfare system, huge. We give everyone a fair shot (some have it better than others from birth sure), our tax system is pretty damn progressive. Yes big companies will get the headlines as to their lack of tax contributions but that’s not the whole picture either; they provide jobs which in turn pay taxes, they provide infrastructure, products, services all of which contribute greatly to the economy. But for the vast, vast majority of tax payers it’s progressive as hell.
Is it right that I should earn more than a nurse? Well, scarcity value dictates yes but morally? I’d say no. So in turn I pay a lot more tax than they do and I probably use the benefits of that tax less than they do. But I’m fine with that to a certain extent.
Right wing voters will always be pulled into choosing sides on an argument on things such as immigration, law enforcement, smaller government, lower taxes because that’s what they want but also I think they get further driven that way because left wing hyperbole ruins conversations of that nature and becomes so toxic that it entrenches these opinions a lot.
Right wing person talks about immigration and says we’re taking in too many people in this country, how often do they get labelled xenophobic or racist? Too often. And one of the consequences of that is that people will double down on it.
Neither left nor right are generally bad ideas, most of us want the same thing but disagree on how to do it or get there. We need progressives to push and challenge the status quo and bring about change and we need conservatives to keep what works still functioning and not have too many changes, too fast. It’s balance
Some may choose to pick on a sentence or wording or two from the above and try to create a fussy micro-debate but I’d urge them to take the post as a whole as I won’t engage on that.
We should all, as a race, start pushing for solidarity and not let the world governments, media etc keep us at odds with each others by focusing on the differences but focus on what we have in common and agree upon.
Israel Palestine - we all agree that we want a ceasefire, peace talks and eventually an agreement. So let’s focus on that rather than ‘who started it’ or ‘who is right?’ Solutions not blame game
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lololol
No, not as the same in the 80s but if you think that the modern conservatives are proper conservatives then I cannot help you further.
His point is that both parties have betrayed what they stand for in order to appeal fully centrist and get in. Blair wasn’t Labour, Cameron wasn’t Conservative. That’s his point and he’s not wrong tbf
----------------------------------------------------------------------
100% correct
amazes me people think the modern day conservative party is "hard right"
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That’s because of two things I’d say:
1. They’re quite far left so cannot see it
2. Individuals like Preeti Patel and Braverman who come out with sheeet to make a name rather than actually being ultra far right people
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
"Planes are bombing,
destruction, destruction...
In a year there will be nothing there,
And we will safely return to our homes,
Within a year,
We will annihilate everyone,
And then we will return to our fields..."
The anthem of genocide
https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1726345295515058255
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not exactly Reuters
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/clip-of-israeli-kids-singing-of-wiping-out-nations-enemies-elicits-outrage/
I'd say there's elements of the current Tory party that is hard right. Wanting to ban certain types of protests as an example.
Do agree they're not really conservatives anymore though, as they don't actually conserve anything.
When have conservatives ever really conserved anything? All they really do is slow down progression.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
When have conservatives ever really conserved anything? All they really do is slow down progression.
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Green/brown belt, contributing to the massive housing crisis in this country?!
Kahanism.
A new one on me.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
When have conservatives ever really conserved anything? All they really do is slow down progression.
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Green/brown belt, contributing to the massive housing crisis in this country?!
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I supposed they conserve the wealth of the elite too.
Conserving the status quo.
Exclusive:
Hundreds of thousands of people with mobility and mental health problems will be told to look for work they can do from home and face having benefits reduced
Ministers believe they can no longer be 'written off' as incapable of working
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunaks-autumn-statement-to-push-benefit-claimants-into-work-xnnxdwklp
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posted on 20/11/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 2 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/YoungConNetwork/status/1726572805196771524?t=oK-P7NytuGjqqAmOa_1CEQ&s=19
Young Conservatives closing down with a long statement
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good. No more crop circles in fields then.
posted on 20/11/23
Sickening disgrace at Knesset, where NatSecMin Itamar Ben Gvir, a smirking racial supremacist & ex terrorist (& his minions) are screaming at families of Israeli hostages "You don't have a monopoly on pain!" and worse. @KarivGilad tries &fails to calm it
https://x.com/ntarnopolsky/status/1726580774361813064?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
Government official abusing their own people, this is the true face of Israel
posted on 20/11/23
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 13 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/YoungConNetwork/status/1726572805196771524?t=oK-P7NytuGjqqAmOa_1CEQ&s=19
Young Conservatives closing down with a long statement
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Nothing cringier than a self-ID'ing, spotty faced, Young Conservative, such a weird branch of humanity.
posted on 20/11/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 13 minutes ago
https://twitter.com/YoungConNetwork/status/1726572805196771524?t=oK-P7NytuGjqqAmOa_1CEQ&s=19
Young Conservatives closing down with a long statement
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nothing cringier than a self-ID'ing, spotty faced, Young Conservative, such a weird branch of humanity.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Good summary of NPE
posted on 20/11/23
Covid Enquiry: Sir Patrick Vallance,GVTs Chief Scientific Adviser giving evidence. Claiming that Boris Johnson is a bit thick and didnt understand the charts and graphs that they were presenting to him. In fact, he was 'bamboozled!'
posted on 20/11/23
"Planes are bombing,
destruction, destruction...
In a year there will be nothing there,
And we will safely return to our homes,
Within a year,
We will annihilate everyone,
And then we will return to our fields..."
The anthem of genocide
https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1726345295515058255
posted on 20/11/23
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
posted on 20/11/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
"Planes are bombing,
destruction, destruction...
In a year there will be nothing there,
And we will safely return to our homes,
Within a year,
We will annihilate everyone,
And then we will return to our fields..."
The anthem of genocide
https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1726345295515058255
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not exactly Reuters
posted on 20/11/23
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
posted on 20/11/23
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
posted on 20/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
posted on 20/11/23
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lololol
No, not as the same in the 80s but if you think that the modern conservatives are proper conservatives then I cannot help you further.
His point is that both parties have betrayed what they stand for in order to appeal fully centrist and get in. Blair wasn’t Labour, Cameron wasn’t Conservative. That’s his point and he’s not wrong tbf
posted on 20/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lololol
No, not as the same in the 80s but if you think that the modern conservatives are proper conservatives then I cannot help you further.
His point is that both parties have betrayed what they stand for in order to appeal fully centrist and get in. Blair wasn’t Labour, Cameron wasn’t Conservative. That’s his point and he’s not wrong tbf
----------------------------------------------------------------------
but you have to hold the centre ground to get elected as not enough voters in the UK are going to vote for a left wing government and not enough are going to vote for a rightwi....... err hold on.... maybe there are!
posted on 20/11/23
Bojo shown up as a thick get
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5orw-qO4Bc
posted on 20/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lololol
No, not as the same in the 80s but if you think that the modern conservatives are proper conservatives then I cannot help you further.
His point is that both parties have betrayed what they stand for in order to appeal fully centrist and get in. Blair wasn’t Labour, Cameron wasn’t Conservative. That’s his point and he’s not wrong tbf
----------------------------------------------------------------------
100% correct
amazes me people think the modern day conservative party is "hard right"
posted on 21/11/23
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 5 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 42 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
eh?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lololol
No, not as the same in the 80s but if you think that the modern conservatives are proper conservatives then I cannot help you further.
His point is that both parties have betrayed what they stand for in order to appeal fully centrist and get in. Blair wasn’t Labour, Cameron wasn’t Conservative. That’s his point and he’s not wrong tbf
----------------------------------------------------------------------
but you have to hold the centre ground to get elected as not enough voters in the UK are going to vote for a left wing government and not enough are going to vote for a rightwi....... err hold on.... maybe there are!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree. I’ve said that to proper Labour voters who hate Starmer and always have done that you need centrism to get in. Then you can change things more towards how you want things to be. The problem is that proper Labour voters, true left wing idealists (I don’t mean this as a criticism) are too true to what they believe in and they’re less likely to compromise to get in, unlike conservatives on the whole.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t appreciate the recent Tory governments from a conservative perspective at all but I’m more likely to vote Theresa May to stop Corbyn than Labour voters would vote Starmer to stop a proper conservative.
You’re right in that there aren’t enough pure left wingers in this country to vote a proper socialist type party in (currently), the country is generally more conservative than progressive / socialist etc.
Back in the day a more socialist approach was still relatively new and appealing but it failed so much across the world in the second half of the 20th century and beyond that it lost a lot of support. Hence a comprising social democrat position grew which aims to make the most of both but with an overall focus on average betterment across society. The problem with this is that this only seems to work with much smaller countries. Also these terms are far too broad to accurately depict any given country’s politics or economics.
Our country for example, many on here would adamantly say that it’s capitalist, others may say that it’s extremely capitalist pouting to growing gaps between the richest and the poorest or cronyism etc. But we have a huge welfare system, huge. We give everyone a fair shot (some have it better than others from birth sure), our tax system is pretty damn progressive. Yes big companies will get the headlines as to their lack of tax contributions but that’s not the whole picture either; they provide jobs which in turn pay taxes, they provide infrastructure, products, services all of which contribute greatly to the economy. But for the vast, vast majority of tax payers it’s progressive as hell.
Is it right that I should earn more than a nurse? Well, scarcity value dictates yes but morally? I’d say no. So in turn I pay a lot more tax than they do and I probably use the benefits of that tax less than they do. But I’m fine with that to a certain extent.
Right wing voters will always be pulled into choosing sides on an argument on things such as immigration, law enforcement, smaller government, lower taxes because that’s what they want but also I think they get further driven that way because left wing hyperbole ruins conversations of that nature and becomes so toxic that it entrenches these opinions a lot.
Right wing person talks about immigration and says we’re taking in too many people in this country, how often do they get labelled xenophobic or racist? Too often. And one of the consequences of that is that people will double down on it.
Neither left nor right are generally bad ideas, most of us want the same thing but disagree on how to do it or get there. We need progressives to push and challenge the status quo and bring about change and we need conservatives to keep what works still functioning and not have too many changes, too fast. It’s balance
Some may choose to pick on a sentence or wording or two from the above and try to create a fussy micro-debate but I’d urge them to take the post as a whole as I won’t engage on that.
We should all, as a race, start pushing for solidarity and not let the world governments, media etc keep us at odds with each others by focusing on the differences but focus on what we have in common and agree upon.
Israel Palestine - we all agree that we want a ceasefire, peace talks and eventually an agreement. So let’s focus on that rather than ‘who started it’ or ‘who is right?’ Solutions not blame game
posted on 21/11/23
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 6 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - One man down, One nil up (U21434)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Peks Habsburg ES AT (U6618)
posted 35 minutes ago
Labour is No Longer in Opposition.
Jeremy Corbyn attempted to form a Social Democratic Party like Michael Foot led in 1983.
He was destroyed by the worst media hate campaign I've ever seen.
It's a One Party State.
FACT.
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eh?
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He’s saying that Labour is the same as the Conservatives
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Jeremy Corbyns Labour party and Michael Foots Labour Party were SDPs the same as the Consevatives were in 1983 and in recently?
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Lololol
No, not as the same in the 80s but if you think that the modern conservatives are proper conservatives then I cannot help you further.
His point is that both parties have betrayed what they stand for in order to appeal fully centrist and get in. Blair wasn’t Labour, Cameron wasn’t Conservative. That’s his point and he’s not wrong tbf
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100% correct
amazes me people think the modern day conservative party is "hard right"
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That’s because of two things I’d say:
1. They’re quite far left so cannot see it
2. Individuals like Preeti Patel and Braverman who come out with sheeet to make a name rather than actually being ultra far right people
posted on 21/11/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 12 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
"Planes are bombing,
destruction, destruction...
In a year there will be nothing there,
And we will safely return to our homes,
Within a year,
We will annihilate everyone,
And then we will return to our fields..."
The anthem of genocide
https://twitter.com/intifada/status/1726345295515058255
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Not exactly Reuters
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/clip-of-israeli-kids-singing-of-wiping-out-nations-enemies-elicits-outrage/
posted on 21/11/23
I'd say there's elements of the current Tory party that is hard right. Wanting to ban certain types of protests as an example.
Do agree they're not really conservatives anymore though, as they don't actually conserve anything.
posted on 21/11/23
When have conservatives ever really conserved anything? All they really do is slow down progression.
posted on 21/11/23
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
When have conservatives ever really conserved anything? All they really do is slow down progression.
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Green/brown belt, contributing to the massive housing crisis in this country?!
posted on 21/11/23
Kahanism.
A new one on me.
posted on 21/11/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 3 minutes ago
When have conservatives ever really conserved anything? All they really do is slow down progression.
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Green/brown belt, contributing to the massive housing crisis in this country?!
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I supposed they conserve the wealth of the elite too.
posted on 21/11/23
Conserving the status quo.
posted on 21/11/23
Exclusive:
Hundreds of thousands of people with mobility and mental health problems will be told to look for work they can do from home and face having benefits reduced
Ministers believe they can no longer be 'written off' as incapable of working
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunaks-autumn-statement-to-push-benefit-claimants-into-work-xnnxdwklp
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