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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted about an hour ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 hours, 22 minutes ago
I think you're both looking at intelligence like it's a bell curve on just 2 axis

Someone can be incredibly good at numbers but totally uncreative or able to think abstractly & someone can be incredible with people and know how to communicate effectively but can't read

Think Rees Mogg and this Gribben guy are able to be both very smart at whatever they do in finance and thick as shiiiiit
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Funny that because whenever Abacus Abbott gets called thick after one of her many gaffes we’re forever told she went to Cambridge, or does this rule only apply to Tories and Reformers?
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Definitely applies to Prit Patel, she couldn't even read the numbers from a bit of paper in front of her.
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I've never seen her with 2 left shoes on.
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I appreciate you're trying to be funny but FFS it's coming over as creepy.
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Claptards' weird Dianne Abbot foot fetish is a bit disturbing no?

Not just me then
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Out of interest, when was the last time I mentioned Abbott's bizarre mishap and how many times have I mentioned it? You've asked me to produce evidence to back up claims I've made about other posters so will you do the same?
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Don't know, don't really care. Just find you bringing it up years after a bit weird. RW misogynist fetishising a black women's feet must be an odd dychotomy for you.

Regarding Rosso’s above post - a great solution exists for world sustainability in us in Australia exporting huge amounts of our natural resources to China to make their electric cars which can be sold cheaply to the West.

In that scenario everyone wins. Imagine if people could make it that easy?

comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ve posted before about Chris Grayling. He directly cost this country £2bn through little more than incompetence (see his ferry contract for an example).

I have NEVER seen the likes of Clapfree call him out and we all know why.
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Go on tell me why?
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You’re a right wing misogynist.
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A few months back CrouchendGooner (I think it was him) left a link about Pakistan deporting over a 1.5m Afghans. There wasn't one comment on the subject until I question why no one seemed interested.

Mamba said, deporting these Afghans was wrong and we should take it for granted that most on here disagreed with these deportations so there was no need to leave a comment.

A few weeks ago someone left a link about Ireland wanting to send illegals back to the UK, not a boo was said until I brought it up.

I come here fleetingly, and I didn't see your comment on Chris Grayling, but if I did see it and failed to leave a post it's because I thought you'd take it for granted that I disagreed with what he did.

comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Typical right wing hypocrisy.
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Typical left wing hypocrisy is slamming MPs for putting their children in private education then doing the exact same thing, or banging on about the comprehensive system even tho you sent your child to a grammar school.
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All that is in your head.

I'm not racist but that foreign female big issue seller popping out kids

Peak Claptard

comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)

Fair points, and I’m more or less in agreement until your last para.

I think there are multiple better - and achievable - results for the country long term than a huge Starmer majority, including a small Starmer majority, a Labour-led coalition and a Labour minority govt. I’d take any of those in a second if offered now, personally.

The UK is in desperate need of two things structurally (well, actually, far more than two; but these are absolutely key): electoral reform for *both* Houses and a complete economic and fiscal reset and rebalancing.

Neither is remotely likely to happen with a huge Labour majority, IMO.
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I'm just not sure I see a small Labour victory or coalition as good things, not right now.

Simple reason is that for either of those things to happen, it would mean the Tory's have done really well in the GE. I feel anything other than an absolutely thumping will embolden the party and we'll get more of the same - which I feel would be desperately ineffective opposition to due lack of coherent ideas or leadership. So short term, I don't think we get what we'd want.

I also think it would send a dreadful message to the political classes if the Tory's did well. It effectively says you can do whatever you like frankly and wont be punished at the ballot box. Long term, a battering does the Tory's good I think. A chance to reset. Just like Labour had to after the 1992 and 2019 kickings.

In principle, I agree with you Rosso. Strong opposition and the need for compromise government is good for us. And in 5 years time, I'll be hoping for that. But not today.

I also agree with you re-electoral reform of both chambers. I wrote an essay on exactly that topic when I did my A-levels, arguing for the desperate need for reform. That was 31 years ago now and it feels as far away today as it did then.
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The entities that benefit the most from the system are the same entities that would be charged with the duty of overseeing these changes. Why would they allow something that threatens their dominance?

comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ve posted before about Chris Grayling. He directly cost this country £2bn through little more than incompetence (see his ferry contract for an example).

I have NEVER seen the likes of Clapfree call him out and we all know why.
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Go on tell me why?
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You’re a right wing misogynist.
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A few months back CrouchendGooner (I think it was him) left a link about Pakistan deporting over a 1.5m Afghans. There wasn't one comment on the subject until I question why no one seemed interested.

Mamba said, deporting these Afghans was wrong and we should take it for granted that most on here disagreed with these deportations so there was no need to leave a comment.

A few weeks ago someone left a link about Ireland wanting to send illegals back to the UK, not a boo was said until I brought it up.

I come here fleetingly, and I didn't see your comment on Chris Grayling, but if I did see it and failed to leave a post it's because I thought you'd take it for granted that I disagreed with what he did.
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What a Tory. As I keep saying, lies are their forte. All of them.

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted about an hour ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 hours, 22 minutes ago
I think you're both looking at intelligence like it's a bell curve on just 2 axis

Someone can be incredibly good at numbers but totally uncreative or able to think abstractly & someone can be incredible with people and know how to communicate effectively but can't read

Think Rees Mogg and this Gribben guy are able to be both very smart at whatever they do in finance and thick as shiiiiit
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Funny that because whenever Abacus Abbott gets called thick after one of her many gaffes we’re forever told she went to Cambridge, or does this rule only apply to Tories and Reformers?
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Definitely applies to Prit Patel, she couldn't even read the numbers from a bit of paper in front of her.
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I've never seen her with 2 left shoes on.
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I appreciate you're trying to be funny but FFS it's coming over as creepy.
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Claptards' weird Dianne Abbot foot fetish is a bit disturbing no?

Not just me then
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Out of interest, when was the last time I mentioned Abbott's bizarre mishap and how many times have I mentioned it? You've asked me to produce evidence to back up claims I've made about other posters so will you do the same?
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Don't know, don't really care. Just find you bringing it up years after a bit weird. RW misogynist fetishising a black women's feet must be an odd dychotomy for you.
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If Trump was pictured wearing 2 left shoes you'd never let it lie. If someone can't put her shoes on properly how can you trust her to make the right decisions for us.

Excuse the pun but that woman is forever putting her foot in it.

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 54 minutes ago
Typical right wing hypocrisy.
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Typical left wing hypocrisy is slamming MPs for putting their children in private education then doing the exact same thing, or banging on about the comprehensive system even tho you sent your child to a grammar school.
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All that is in your head.
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Abbott and Thornberry

Grrrr women

If Trump was pictured wearing two left shoes you'd make all sorts of excuses for it. He'd be in a hurry with media waiting or something like that and can't find the other shoe so put on the one he could find because the shoes look pretty similar anyway.

You'd call it improvising, so please spare us the preaching and pontificating.

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)

Fair points, and I’m more or less in agreement until your last para.

I think there are multiple better - and achievable - results for the country long term than a huge Starmer majority, including a small Starmer majority, a Labour-led coalition and a Labour minority govt. I’d take any of those in a second if offered now, personally.

The UK is in desperate need of two things structurally (well, actually, far more than two; but these are absolutely key): electoral reform for *both* Houses and a complete economic and fiscal reset and rebalancing.

Neither is remotely likely to happen with a huge Labour majority, IMO.
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I'm just not sure I see a small Labour victory or coalition as good things, not right now.

Simple reason is that for either of those things to happen, it would mean the Tory's have done really well in the GE. I feel anything other than an absolutely thumping will embolden the party and we'll get more of the same - which I feel would be desperately ineffective opposition to due lack of coherent ideas or leadership. So short term, I don't think we get what we'd want.

I also think it would send a dreadful message to the political classes if the Tory's did well. It effectively says you can do whatever you like frankly and wont be punished at the ballot box. Long term, a battering does the Tory's good I think. A chance to reset. Just like Labour had to after the 1992 and 2019 kickings.

In principle, I agree with you Rosso. Strong opposition and the need for compromise government is good for us. And in 5 years time, I'll be hoping for that. But not today.

I also agree with you re-electoral reform of both chambers. I wrote an essay on exactly that topic when I did my A-levels, arguing for the desperate need for reform. That was 31 years ago now and it feels as far away today as it did then.
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The entities that benefit the most from the system are the same entities that would be charged with the duty of overseeing these changes. Why would they allow something that threatens their dominance?
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Labour have existed for 124 years and have been in power for 30 of those years. In that time only 3 Labour leaders have won a general election.

Does that sound like dominance to you?

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ve posted before about Chris Grayling. He directly cost this country £2bn through little more than incompetence (see his ferry contract for an example).

I have NEVER seen the likes of Clapfree call him out and we all know why.
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Go on tell me why?
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You’re a right wing misogynist.
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A few months back CrouchendGooner (I think it was him) left a link about Pakistan deporting over a 1.5m Afghans. There wasn't one comment on the subject until I question why no one seemed interested.

Mamba said, deporting these Afghans was wrong and we should take it for granted that most on here disagreed with these deportations so there was no need to leave a comment.

A few weeks ago someone left a link about Ireland wanting to send illegals back to the UK, not a boo was said until I brought it up.

I come here fleetingly, and I didn't see your comment on Chris Grayling, but if I did see it and failed to leave a post it's because I thought you'd take it for granted that I disagreed with what he did.
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What a Tory. As I keep saying, lies are their forte. All of them.
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Are you telling me you never posted that? Because you're either a liar or dementing.

comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)

Fair points, and I’m more or less in agreement until your last para.

I think there are multiple better - and achievable - results for the country long term than a huge Starmer majority, including a small Starmer majority, a Labour-led coalition and a Labour minority govt. I’d take any of those in a second if offered now, personally.

The UK is in desperate need of two things structurally (well, actually, far more than two; but these are absolutely key): electoral reform for *both* Houses and a complete economic and fiscal reset and rebalancing.

Neither is remotely likely to happen with a huge Labour majority, IMO.
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I'm just not sure I see a small Labour victory or coalition as good things, not right now.

Simple reason is that for either of those things to happen, it would mean the Tory's have done really well in the GE. I feel anything other than an absolutely thumping will embolden the party and we'll get more of the same - which I feel would be desperately ineffective opposition to due lack of coherent ideas or leadership. So short term, I don't think we get what we'd want.

I also think it would send a dreadful message to the political classes if the Tory's did well. It effectively says you can do whatever you like frankly and wont be punished at the ballot box. Long term, a battering does the Tory's good I think. A chance to reset. Just like Labour had to after the 1992 and 2019 kickings.

In principle, I agree with you Rosso. Strong opposition and the need for compromise government is good for us. And in 5 years time, I'll be hoping for that. But not today.

I also agree with you re-electoral reform of both chambers. I wrote an essay on exactly that topic when I did my A-levels, arguing for the desperate need for reform. That was 31 years ago now and it feels as far away today as it did then.
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The entities that benefit the most from the system are the same entities that would be charged with the duty of overseeing these changes. Why would they allow something that threatens their dominance?
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Labour have existed for 124 years and have been in power for 30 of those years. In that time only 3 Labour leaders have won a general election.

Does that sound like dominance to you?

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You've isolated some facts. The only other party that can get in power is the Tories, so Labour and Tories are the dominant ones and both will not want to risk something that threatens that IMO, yet you would be replying on then to change the system.

comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ve posted before about Chris Grayling. He directly cost this country £2bn through little more than incompetence (see his ferry contract for an example).

I have NEVER seen the likes of Clapfree call him out and we all know why.
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Go on tell me why?
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You’re a right wing misogynist.
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A few months back CrouchendGooner (I think it was him) left a link about Pakistan deporting over a 1.5m Afghans. There wasn't one comment on the subject until I question why no one seemed interested.

Mamba said, deporting these Afghans was wrong and we should take it for granted that most on here disagreed with these deportations so there was no need to leave a comment.

A few weeks ago someone left a link about Ireland wanting to send illegals back to the UK, not a boo was said until I brought it up.

I come here fleetingly, and I didn't see your comment on Chris Grayling, but if I did see it and failed to leave a post it's because I thought you'd take it for granted that I disagreed with what he did.
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What a Tory. As I keep saying, lies are their forte. All of them.
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Are you telling me you never posted that? Because you're either a liar or dementing.
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No, I never posted what you're saying I posted.

comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted about an hour ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 6 hours, 22 minutes ago
I think you're both looking at intelligence like it's a bell curve on just 2 axis

Someone can be incredibly good at numbers but totally uncreative or able to think abstractly & someone can be incredible with people and know how to communicate effectively but can't read

Think Rees Mogg and this Gribben guy are able to be both very smart at whatever they do in finance and thick as shiiiiit
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Funny that because whenever Abacus Abbott gets called thick after one of her many gaffes we’re forever told she went to Cambridge, or does this rule only apply to Tories and Reformers?
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Definitely applies to Prit Patel, she couldn't even read the numbers from a bit of paper in front of her.
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I've never seen her with 2 left shoes on.
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I appreciate you're trying to be funny but FFS it's coming over as creepy.
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Claptards' weird Dianne Abbot foot fetish is a bit disturbing no?

Not just me then
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Out of interest, when was the last time I mentioned Abbott's bizarre mishap and how many times have I mentioned it? You've asked me to produce evidence to back up claims I've made about other posters so will you do the same?
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Don't know, don't really care. Just find you bringing it up years after a bit weird. RW misogynist fetishising a black women's feet must be an odd dychotomy for you.
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If Trump was pictured wearing 2 left shoes you'd never let it lie. If someone can't put her shoes on properly how can you trust her to make the right decisions for us.

Excuse the pun but that woman is forever putting her foot in it.
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I'd take the proverbial but its low hanging fruit and there's plenty of more serious things to pick Trump up on like his racism or treatment of women for example.

If that's what your basing trust to do the right thing for us on I take it you're not voting either Tory or Reform then?

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
If Trump was pictured wearing two left shoes you'd make all sorts of excuses for it. He'd be in a hurry with media waiting or something like that and can't find the other shoe so put on the one he could find because the shoes look pretty similar anyway.

You'd call it improvising, so please spare us the preaching and pontificating.
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I'm no fan of Trump, I don't like the buddy buddy relationship he has with Putin.

comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
If Trump was pictured wearing two left shoes you'd make all sorts of excuses for it. He'd be in a hurry with media waiting or something like that and can't find the other shoe so put on the one he could find because the shoes look pretty similar anyway.

You'd call it improvising, so please spare us the preaching and pontificating.
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I'm no fan of Trump, I don't like the buddy buddy relationship he has with Putin.
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Replace Trump with Farage then. The point still stands.

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)

Fair points, and I’m more or less in agreement until your last para.

I think there are multiple better - and achievable - results for the country long term than a huge Starmer majority, including a small Starmer majority, a Labour-led coalition and a Labour minority govt. I’d take any of those in a second if offered now, personally.

The UK is in desperate need of two things structurally (well, actually, far more than two; but these are absolutely key): electoral reform for *both* Houses and a complete economic and fiscal reset and rebalancing.

Neither is remotely likely to happen with a huge Labour majority, IMO.
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I'm just not sure I see a small Labour victory or coalition as good things, not right now.

Simple reason is that for either of those things to happen, it would mean the Tory's have done really well in the GE. I feel anything other than an absolutely thumping will embolden the party and we'll get more of the same - which I feel would be desperately ineffective opposition to due lack of coherent ideas or leadership. So short -----
You've isolated some facts. The only other party that can get in power is the Tories, so Labour and Tories are the dominant ones and both will not want to risk something that threatens that IMO, yet you would be replying on then to change the system.
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*relying

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ve posted before about Chris Grayling. He directly cost this country £2bn through little more than incompetence (see his ferry contract for an example).

I have NEVER seen the likes of Clapfree call him out and we all know why.
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Go on tell me why?
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You’re a right wing misogynist.
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A few months back CrouchendGooner (I think it was him) left a link about Pakistan deporting over a 1.5m Afghans. There wasn't one comment on the subject until I question why no one seemed interested.

Mamba said, deporting these Afghans was wrong and we should take it for granted that most on here disagreed with these deportations so there was no need to leave a comment.

A few weeks ago someone left a link about Ireland wanting to send illegals back to the UK, not a boo was said until I brought it up.

I come here fleetingly, and I didn't see your comment on Chris Grayling, but if I did see it and failed to leave a post it's because I thought you'd take it for granted that I disagreed with what he did.
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What a Tory. As I keep saying, lies are their forte. All of them.
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Are you telling me you never posted that? Because you're either a liar or dementing.
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No, I never posted what you're saying I posted.
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Wow, you Sir, are disgusting teller of untruths.

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)

Fair points, and I’m more or less in agreement until your last para.

I think there are multiple better - and achievable - results for the country long term than a huge Starmer majority, including a small Starmer majority, a Labour-led coalition and a Labour minority govt. I’d take any of those in a second if offered now, personally.

The UK is in desperate need of two things structurally (well, actually, far more than two; but these are absolutely key): electoral reform for *both* Houses and a complete economic and fiscal reset and rebalancing.

Neither is remotely likely to happen with a huge Labour majority, IMO.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm just not sure I see a small Labour victory or coalition as good things, not right now.

Simple reason is that for either of those things to happen, it would mean the Tory's have done really well in the GE. I feel anything other than an absolutely thumping will embolden the party and we'll get more of the same - which I feel would be desperately ineffective opposition to due lack of coherent ideas or leadership. So short term, I don't think we get what we'd want.

I also think it would send a dreadful message to the political classes if the Tory's did well. It effectively says you can do whatever you like frankly and wont be punished at the ballot box. Long term, a battering does the Tory's good I think. A chance to reset. Just like Labour had to after the 1992 and 2019 kickings.

In principle, I agree with you Rosso. Strong opposition and the need for compromise government is good for us. And in 5 years time, I'll be hoping for that. But not today.

I also agree with you re-electoral reform of both chambers. I wrote an essay on exactly that topic when I did my A-levels, arguing for the desperate need for reform. That was 31 years ago now and it feels as far away today as it did then.
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The entities that benefit the most from the system are the same entities that would be charged with the duty of overseeing these changes. Why would they allow something that threatens their dominance?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Labour have existed for 124 years and have been in power for 30 of those years. In that time only 3 Labour leaders have won a general election.

Does that sound like dominance to you?

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You've isolated some facts. The only other party that can get in power is the Tories, so Labour and Tories are the dominant ones and both will not want to risk something that threatens that IMO, yet you would be replying on then to change the system.
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Tory's have been the dominant party and I have zero expectation of them changing a damn thing. Labour have largely played second fiddle as my 'isolated facts' show. I would hope they might consider change. Can't say I stretch beyond hope though.

comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ve posted before about Chris Grayling. He directly cost this country £2bn through little more than incompetence (see his ferry contract for an example).

I have NEVER seen the likes of Clapfree call him out and we all know why.
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Go on tell me why?
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You’re a right wing misogynist.
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A few months back CrouchendGooner (I think it was him) left a link about Pakistan deporting over a 1.5m Afghans. There wasn't one comment on the subject until I question why no one seemed interested.

Mamba said, deporting these Afghans was wrong and we should take it for granted that most on here disagreed with these deportations so there was no need to leave a comment.

A few weeks ago someone left a link about Ireland wanting to send illegals back to the UK, not a boo was said until I brought it up.

I come here fleetingly, and I didn't see your comment on Chris Grayling, but if I did see it and failed to leave a post it's because I thought you'd take it for granted that I disagreed with what he did.
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What a Tory. As I keep saying, lies are their forte. All of them.
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Are you telling me you never posted that? Because you're either a liar or dementing.
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No, I never posted what you're saying I posted.
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Wow, you Sir, are disgusting teller of untruths.
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Another lie from you. Everything you post is tinged with dishonesty.

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
If Trump was pictured wearing two left shoes you'd make all sorts of excuses for it. He'd be in a hurry with media waiting or something like that and can't find the other shoe so put on the one he could find because the shoes look pretty similar anyway.

You'd call it improvising, so please spare us the preaching and pontificating.
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I'm no fan of Trump, I don't like the buddy buddy relationship he has with Putin.
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Replace Trump with Farage then. The point still stands.
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I can sort of understand someone putting odd shoes on in a hurry, but 2 left shoes?

If I saw Farage with 2 left shoes on I'd question his capabilities of being an MP.

I'm not going vote this time, because I think they're all crap.

'I'm.not voting for Dianne Abbot because she once out shoes on wrong. My vote is going to Sunak, who got eat out to help out and D Day commemorations wrong (amongst many other things) or Farage who gets race relations in this country wrong daily'.

There's that strange double standard again. Wonder what it could be that sways Claptards' vote away from the black women and towards the RW Tory or racist fantasist?

comment by The greatest thing that ever happened to humankind (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
Cause he white, that's why.
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