comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Didn’t take long for the racism to stew from Clappy, Iraqi and Afghans are a detriment to the UK apparently when Western countries have pillared their countries and people for decades
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That’s not what he said at all. Not even close.
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True, he just asked genuinely one of the stupidest questions I’ve ever seen on 606, whilst also being a demonstrable bigot in assuming asylum seekers are illegal immigrants, which is much better isn’t it tbf.
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Why was it a stupid question?
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Seriously? Just log off pal.
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Go on, educate me so I don't make the same mistake again.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Clapfree
Source for that number? Also saying 'a potential of x amount' doesn't mean x amount will definitely end up here. This is blatant scaremongering.
The amount that make the journey across the channel represents a small percentage of the refugees compared to those that end up in France, Italy, Germany and Greece. Even if 130m hypothetical refugees made the journey from the Eastern med (Greece & Sicily being a usual entry points) that doesn't mean 130m on the shores of Calais and Dunquirke.
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I know that, but is there an upper limit?
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No source for that 130m figure then.
I recall Liz Truss throwing around a similar amount. Please don't tell me you're going off Liz Truss' numbers and rhetoric.
In fact let’s just have a look at what you wrote in detail.
Firstly, your numbers are absolute fvcking nonsense, so you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, again.
A simple google search of how many asylum seekers in the world there are shows the following.
https://www.unhcr.org/uk/about-unhcr/who-we-are/figures-glance
To then follow that up with the clearly loaded question of ‘Do you think we should take them all?’ is just plainly ridiculous.
No-one, ever, has said the UK should take all the world’s asylum seekers and lucky for you, we don’t. Not anywhere near. It’s not even close.
Throw in the fact you have also called them ‘illegals’, which isn’t even a word, then it’s hard not to think that you shouldn’t be allowed internet access.
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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In India Modi's party (Hindu) have been becoming more authoritarian towards minority, by comparison, Indian Muslims in country. Given our ties to India, Bangladesh and Pakistan its not inconceivable those coming here have familial ties already in the UK.
Listened to a history podcast a while back about the partitioning of India. Pretty horrific to be honest.
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posted 28 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 46 seconds ago
Clapfree
Source for that number? Also saying 'a potential of x amount' doesn't mean x amount will definitely end up here. This is blatant scaremongering.
The amount that make the journey across the channel represents a small percentage of the refugees compared to those that end up in France, Italy, Germany and Greece. Even if 130m hypothetical refugees made the journey from the Eastern med (Greece & Sicily being a usual entry points) that doesn't mean 130m on the shores of Calais and Dunquirke.
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You got comparative numbers for say UK vs Germany vs France?
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Señor Fields?
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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In India Modi's party (Hindu) have been becoming more authoritarian towards minority, by comparison, Indian Muslims in country. Given our ties to India, Bangladesh and Pakistan its not inconceivable those coming here have familial ties already in the UK.
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Absolutely.
More widely, every asylum seeker deserves to be considered and to have their case assessed based on their individual circumstances, and not generalised based on their nationality/legal residency.
Which, thankfully, is what actually happens in the real world.
There are legitimate asylum seekers from countries with which the UK has return agreements, like Albania, and, quite rightly, they will be granted right to remain if their claims are found to be valid.
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posted 28 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 46 seconds ago
Clapfree
Source for that number? Also saying 'a potential of x amount' doesn't mean x amount will definitely end up here. This is blatant scaremongering.
The amount that make the journey across the channel represents a small percentage of the refugees compared to those that end up in France, Italy, Germany and Greece. Even if 130m hypothetical refugees made the journey from the Eastern med (Greece & Sicily being a usual entry points) that doesn't mean 130m on the shores of Calais and Dunquirke.
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You got comparative numbers for say UK vs Germany vs France?
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Señor Fields?
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Ignore, found some.
The trope that refugees are detrimental to the country is easily disproven. Refugees more often than not come here grateful at the chance of making a new life, and escaping war, persecution and worse in their own country. They will invariably work hard, contribute to the economy and instill the sake attitude in the 2nd gen born here. Children of refugees are more likely to go to uni and be in constant employment than their white peers.
We have skills shortages in many areas.of the workforce. We have a group of people educated and motivated to start a new life. Put two and two together.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
The trope that refugees are detrimental to the country is easily disproven. Refugees more often than not come here grateful at the chance of making a new life, and escaping war, persecution and worse in their own country. They will invariably work hard, contribute to the economy and instill the sake attitude in the 2nd gen born here. Children of refugees are more likely to go to uni and be in constant employment than their white peers.
We have skills shortages in many areas.of the workforce. We have a group of people educated and motivated to start a new life. Put two and two together.
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Had a Ukrainian candidate tell me something pretty shocking yesterday, not sure if it’s true.
So the law has changed in the past few months and if he does not find a job that pays him over £40k a year, then his family is not allowed to stay (including his son that was born here).
He’s a qualified engineer, something that we are desperately short of, and currently earning £37k.
Personally, I find that mind bogglingly stupid.
Tory Britain right there.
As for Iran I’ve had PhD candidates from there working in McDonalds, probably because some dullard thinks they’re simply an ‘illegal’.
Their education system was world class.
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
The trope that refugees are detrimental to the country is easily disproven. Refugees more often than not come here grateful at the chance of making a new life, and escaping war, persecution and worse in their own country. They will invariably work hard, contribute to the economy and instill the sake attitude in the 2nd gen born here. Children of refugees are more likely to go to uni and be in constant employment than their white peers.
We have skills shortages in many areas.of the workforce. We have a group of people educated and motivated to start a new life. Put two and two together.
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Had a Ukrainian candidate tell me something pretty shocking yesterday, not sure if it’s true.
So the law has changed in the past few months and if he does not find a job that pays him over £40k a year, then his family is not allowed to stay (including his son that was born here).
He’s a qualified engineer, something that we are desperately short of, and currently earning £37k.
Personally, I find that mind bogglingly stupid.
Tory Britain right there.
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I think it’s 38k, we often hire folk on visas and I think that is the most recent threshold without looking it up
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posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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They are not classified as unsafe countries by the UK though
Pranks
I get how they have to draw the line somewhere, but there is a national shortage of civil engineers.
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
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comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
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comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 22 minutes ago
Plastic Tory Jonathan Ashworth's car crash interview on returning asylum seekers to their country of origin
https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1805381117152768373?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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What do you think we should do with illegals?
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Stop calling them 'illegals' for a start as this assumes guilt before refugees, mostly fleeing war torn countries, have had the chance to have their case heard.
In the cases of those from safe countries those not eligible to enter the UK can be sent back, an example of this being the arrangement we have with Albania.
People from places like Afghanistan and Iran are a bigger problem. As a country we need to be honest about the role we played in Afghanistan. We also need yo acknowledge we used Afghan people in country and promised them shelter when the proverbial hit the fan. A promise we later reneged on, putting them in danger. If you know your history you'll also know our role in why Iran is how it is.
This imperialist idea that we can do what we want in far flung lands without consequence are over. Those are the days people like Farage hanker for, the worst of the rose tinted back in my day boomer generation.
Why do we expect countries, such as France, Italy, Greece et all who had a smaller role as an ally in the war on terror, to take more responsibility than us for Afghan refugees we made flee their country?
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There's a potential 130m people that could claim asylum from Afghanistan and Iraq alone. Do you think we should take in every single person who fits the asylum criteria, even if it's detrimental to the UK?
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Oh ffs!
Quick question Clap, do you think refugees want to leave their homes, their families, their lives and countries OR do you think the vast majority just want to live their lives in the place (and language) they know?
I dont know about you, but the possibility of less than £50 a week wouldn't pull me through thousands of miles.
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Considering you're a remainer and have done nothing but whine about the loss of freedom of movement I'm surprised you asked this question.
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I've genuinely got no idea what to you're on about, what's the correlation?
My whining about loss of FoM is miniscule in comparison to your manic hysteria about brown people fleeing war and famine.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
As for Iran I’ve had PhD candidates from there working in McDonalds, probably because some dullard thinks they’re simply an ‘illegal’.
Their education system was world class.
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Its part of this snooty attitude that our education system is comparibly better than other countries we look down on. A teacher, engineer or doctor from Iran etc isn't as equally qualified as a UK born teacher, engineer or doctor. Its mad.
There should always be a mechanism to let genuine refugees into the country but we can’t afford to let unskilled economic migrants in during a cost of living crisis
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
As for Iran I’ve had PhD candidates from there working in McDonalds, probably because some dullard thinks they’re simply an ‘illegal’.
Their education system was world class.
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Its part of this snooty attitude that our education system is comparibly better than other countries we look down on. A teacher, engineer or doctor from Iran etc isn't as equally qualified as a UK born teacher, engineer or doctor. Its mad.
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The Middle East building regs are actually very stringent, much like ours. That’s why they love our engineers (and why I’m trying to get into that market).
Iran, and in fact Iraq, had a quite brilliant education system, absolutely top tier.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
As for Iran I’ve had PhD candidates from there working in McDonalds, probably because some dullard thinks they’re simply an ‘illegal’.
Their education system was world class.
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Its part of this snooty attitude that our education system is comparibly better than other countries we look down on. A teacher, engineer or doctor from Iran etc isn't as equally qualified as a UK born teacher, engineer or doctor. Its mad.
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Most countries make you do a equivalence course, it's basic. There will be loads of overlapping generalities but also differences.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
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posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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They are not classified as unsafe countries by the UK though
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Just because a country is deemed to be ‘safe’, it doesn’t mean that any given individual is going to be safe if they return there.
IIRC, asylum seekers arriving from ‘safe’ countries have their applications fast-tracked (because it is deemed that they’re more likely to have their applications denied).
But a country of origin/legal residency being considered ‘safe’ by the UK does not automatically invalidate an asylum application, and rightly so.
Even EU citizens are able to claim asylum in the UK.
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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They are not classified as unsafe countries by the UK though
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Just because a country is deemed to be ‘safe’, it doesn’t mean that any given individual is going to be safe if they return there.
IIRC, asylum seekers arriving from ‘safe’ countries have their applications fast-tracked (because it is deemed that they’re more likely to have their applications denied).
But a country of origin/legal residency being considered ‘safe’ by the UK does not automatically invalidate an asylum application, and rightly so.
Even EU citizens are able to claim asylum in the UK.
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On economic grounds?
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 21 minutes ago
Pranks
I get how they have to draw the line somewhere, but there is a national shortage of civil engineers.
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Yeah it’s crazy. It used to be something like 28k until recently.
Tommy Robinson has been arrested in Canada on suspicion of immigration offences.
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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They are not classified as unsafe countries by the UK though
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Just because a country is deemed to be ‘safe’, it doesn’t mean that any given individual is going to be safe if they return there.
IIRC, asylum seekers arriving from ‘safe’ countries have their applications fast-tracked (because it is deemed that they’re more likely to have their applications denied).
But a country of origin/legal residency being considered ‘safe’ by the UK does not automatically invalidate an asylum application, and rightly so.
Even EU citizens are able to claim asylum in the UK.
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On economic grounds?
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In the case of Bangladesh it'll be environment based due to recent constantly reoccuring floods. Pakistan due to a volatile political situation, with Imran Khan being jailed and even his party's symbol of a cricket bat being banned. India due to Hindu Modi's authoritarian attitude towards Indian Muslims, although His power waned in recent elections.
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posted on 25/6/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
Didn’t take long for the racism to stew from Clappy, Iraqi and Afghans are a detriment to the UK apparently when Western countries have pillared their countries and people for decades
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That’s not what he said at all. Not even close.
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True, he just asked genuinely one of the stupidest questions I’ve ever seen on 606, whilst also being a demonstrable bigot in assuming asylum seekers are illegal immigrants, which is much better isn’t it tbf.
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Why was it a stupid question?
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Seriously? Just log off pal.
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Go on, educate me so I don't make the same mistake again.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Clapfree
Source for that number? Also saying 'a potential of x amount' doesn't mean x amount will definitely end up here. This is blatant scaremongering.
The amount that make the journey across the channel represents a small percentage of the refugees compared to those that end up in France, Italy, Germany and Greece. Even if 130m hypothetical refugees made the journey from the Eastern med (Greece & Sicily being a usual entry points) that doesn't mean 130m on the shores of Calais and Dunquirke.
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I know that, but is there an upper limit?
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No source for that 130m figure then.
I recall Liz Truss throwing around a similar amount. Please don't tell me you're going off Liz Truss' numbers and rhetoric.
posted on 25/6/24
In fact let’s just have a look at what you wrote in detail.
Firstly, your numbers are absolute fvcking nonsense, so you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, again.
A simple google search of how many asylum seekers in the world there are shows the following.
https://www.unhcr.org/uk/about-unhcr/who-we-are/figures-glance
To then follow that up with the clearly loaded question of ‘Do you think we should take them all?’ is just plainly ridiculous.
No-one, ever, has said the UK should take all the world’s asylum seekers and lucky for you, we don’t. Not anywhere near. It’s not even close.
Throw in the fact you have also called them ‘illegals’, which isn’t even a word, then it’s hard not to think that you shouldn’t be allowed internet access.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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In India Modi's party (Hindu) have been becoming more authoritarian towards minority, by comparison, Indian Muslims in country. Given our ties to India, Bangladesh and Pakistan its not inconceivable those coming here have familial ties already in the UK.
posted on 25/6/24
Listened to a history podcast a while back about the partitioning of India. Pretty horrific to be honest.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 46 seconds ago
Clapfree
Source for that number? Also saying 'a potential of x amount' doesn't mean x amount will definitely end up here. This is blatant scaremongering.
The amount that make the journey across the channel represents a small percentage of the refugees compared to those that end up in France, Italy, Germany and Greece. Even if 130m hypothetical refugees made the journey from the Eastern med (Greece & Sicily being a usual entry points) that doesn't mean 130m on the shores of Calais and Dunquirke.
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You got comparative numbers for say UK vs Germany vs France?
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Señor Fields?
posted on 25/6/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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In India Modi's party (Hindu) have been becoming more authoritarian towards minority, by comparison, Indian Muslims in country. Given our ties to India, Bangladesh and Pakistan its not inconceivable those coming here have familial ties already in the UK.
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Absolutely.
More widely, every asylum seeker deserves to be considered and to have their case assessed based on their individual circumstances, and not generalised based on their nationality/legal residency.
Which, thankfully, is what actually happens in the real world.
There are legitimate asylum seekers from countries with which the UK has return agreements, like Albania, and, quite rightly, they will be granted right to remain if their claims are found to be valid.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 46 seconds ago
Clapfree
Source for that number? Also saying 'a potential of x amount' doesn't mean x amount will definitely end up here. This is blatant scaremongering.
The amount that make the journey across the channel represents a small percentage of the refugees compared to those that end up in France, Italy, Germany and Greece. Even if 130m hypothetical refugees made the journey from the Eastern med (Greece & Sicily being a usual entry points) that doesn't mean 130m on the shores of Calais and Dunquirke.
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You got comparative numbers for say UK vs Germany vs France?
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Señor Fields?
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Ignore, found some.
posted on 25/6/24
The trope that refugees are detrimental to the country is easily disproven. Refugees more often than not come here grateful at the chance of making a new life, and escaping war, persecution and worse in their own country. They will invariably work hard, contribute to the economy and instill the sake attitude in the 2nd gen born here. Children of refugees are more likely to go to uni and be in constant employment than their white peers.
We have skills shortages in many areas.of the workforce. We have a group of people educated and motivated to start a new life. Put two and two together.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
The trope that refugees are detrimental to the country is easily disproven. Refugees more often than not come here grateful at the chance of making a new life, and escaping war, persecution and worse in their own country. They will invariably work hard, contribute to the economy and instill the sake attitude in the 2nd gen born here. Children of refugees are more likely to go to uni and be in constant employment than their white peers.
We have skills shortages in many areas.of the workforce. We have a group of people educated and motivated to start a new life. Put two and two together.
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Had a Ukrainian candidate tell me something pretty shocking yesterday, not sure if it’s true.
So the law has changed in the past few months and if he does not find a job that pays him over £40k a year, then his family is not allowed to stay (including his son that was born here).
He’s a qualified engineer, something that we are desperately short of, and currently earning £37k.
Personally, I find that mind bogglingly stupid.
Tory Britain right there.
posted on 25/6/24
As for Iran I’ve had PhD candidates from there working in McDonalds, probably because some dullard thinks they’re simply an ‘illegal’.
Their education system was world class.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 4 minutes ago
The trope that refugees are detrimental to the country is easily disproven. Refugees more often than not come here grateful at the chance of making a new life, and escaping war, persecution and worse in their own country. They will invariably work hard, contribute to the economy and instill the sake attitude in the 2nd gen born here. Children of refugees are more likely to go to uni and be in constant employment than their white peers.
We have skills shortages in many areas.of the workforce. We have a group of people educated and motivated to start a new life. Put two and two together.
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Had a Ukrainian candidate tell me something pretty shocking yesterday, not sure if it’s true.
So the law has changed in the past few months and if he does not find a job that pays him over £40k a year, then his family is not allowed to stay (including his son that was born here).
He’s a qualified engineer, something that we are desperately short of, and currently earning £37k.
Personally, I find that mind bogglingly stupid.
Tory Britain right there.
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I think it’s 38k, we often hire folk on visas and I think that is the most recent threshold without looking it up
posted on 25/6/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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They are not classified as unsafe countries by the UK though
posted on 25/6/24
Pranks
I get how they have to draw the line somewhere, but there is a national shortage of civil engineers.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Things Can Only Get Better (U11781)
posted 22 minutes ago
Plastic Tory Jonathan Ashworth's car crash interview on returning asylum seekers to their country of origin
https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1805381117152768373?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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What do you think we should do with illegals?
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Stop calling them 'illegals' for a start as this assumes guilt before refugees, mostly fleeing war torn countries, have had the chance to have their case heard.
In the cases of those from safe countries those not eligible to enter the UK can be sent back, an example of this being the arrangement we have with Albania.
People from places like Afghanistan and Iran are a bigger problem. As a country we need to be honest about the role we played in Afghanistan. We also need yo acknowledge we used Afghan people in country and promised them shelter when the proverbial hit the fan. A promise we later reneged on, putting them in danger. If you know your history you'll also know our role in why Iran is how it is.
This imperialist idea that we can do what we want in far flung lands without consequence are over. Those are the days people like Farage hanker for, the worst of the rose tinted back in my day boomer generation.
Why do we expect countries, such as France, Italy, Greece et all who had a smaller role as an ally in the war on terror, to take more responsibility than us for Afghan refugees we made flee their country?
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There's a potential 130m people that could claim asylum from Afghanistan and Iraq alone. Do you think we should take in every single person who fits the asylum criteria, even if it's detrimental to the UK?
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Oh ffs!
Quick question Clap, do you think refugees want to leave their homes, their families, their lives and countries OR do you think the vast majority just want to live their lives in the place (and language) they know?
I dont know about you, but the possibility of less than £50 a week wouldn't pull me through thousands of miles.
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Considering you're a remainer and have done nothing but whine about the loss of freedom of movement I'm surprised you asked this question.
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I've genuinely got no idea what to you're on about, what's the correlation?
My whining about loss of FoM is miniscule in comparison to your manic hysteria about brown people fleeing war and famine.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
As for Iran I’ve had PhD candidates from there working in McDonalds, probably because some dullard thinks they’re simply an ‘illegal’.
Their education system was world class.
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Its part of this snooty attitude that our education system is comparibly better than other countries we look down on. A teacher, engineer or doctor from Iran etc isn't as equally qualified as a UK born teacher, engineer or doctor. Its mad.
posted on 25/6/24
There should always be a mechanism to let genuine refugees into the country but we can’t afford to let unskilled economic migrants in during a cost of living crisis
posted on 25/6/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
As for Iran I’ve had PhD candidates from there working in McDonalds, probably because some dullard thinks they’re simply an ‘illegal’.
Their education system was world class.
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Its part of this snooty attitude that our education system is comparibly better than other countries we look down on. A teacher, engineer or doctor from Iran etc isn't as equally qualified as a UK born teacher, engineer or doctor. Its mad.
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The Middle East building regs are actually very stringent, much like ours. That’s why they love our engineers (and why I’m trying to get into that market).
Iran, and in fact Iraq, had a quite brilliant education system, absolutely top tier.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
As for Iran I’ve had PhD candidates from there working in McDonalds, probably because some dullard thinks they’re simply an ‘illegal’.
Their education system was world class.
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Its part of this snooty attitude that our education system is comparibly better than other countries we look down on. A teacher, engineer or doctor from Iran etc isn't as equally qualified as a UK born teacher, engineer or doctor. Its mad.
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Most countries make you do a equivalence course, it's basic. There will be loads of overlapping generalities but also differences.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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They are not classified as unsafe countries by the UK though
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Just because a country is deemed to be ‘safe’, it doesn’t mean that any given individual is going to be safe if they return there.
IIRC, asylum seekers arriving from ‘safe’ countries have their applications fast-tracked (because it is deemed that they’re more likely to have their applications denied).
But a country of origin/legal residency being considered ‘safe’ by the UK does not automatically invalidate an asylum application, and rightly so.
Even EU citizens are able to claim asylum in the UK.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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They are not classified as unsafe countries by the UK though
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Just because a country is deemed to be ‘safe’, it doesn’t mean that any given individual is going to be safe if they return there.
IIRC, asylum seekers arriving from ‘safe’ countries have their applications fast-tracked (because it is deemed that they’re more likely to have their applications denied).
But a country of origin/legal residency being considered ‘safe’ by the UK does not automatically invalidate an asylum application, and rightly so.
Even EU citizens are able to claim asylum in the UK.
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On economic grounds?
posted on 25/6/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 21 minutes ago
Pranks
I get how they have to draw the line somewhere, but there is a national shortage of civil engineers.
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Yeah it’s crazy. It used to be something like 28k until recently.
posted on 25/6/24
Tommy Robinson has been arrested in Canada on suspicion of immigration offences.
posted on 25/6/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 minutes ago
We have a responsibility to help genuine refugees from Iraq and Afghanistan but he’s right about people from Bangladesh, Pakistan, India etc
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There are people fleeing all three of those countries who have a very legitimate right to seek, and be granted, asylum on various grounds.
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They are not classified as unsafe countries by the UK though
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Just because a country is deemed to be ‘safe’, it doesn’t mean that any given individual is going to be safe if they return there.
IIRC, asylum seekers arriving from ‘safe’ countries have their applications fast-tracked (because it is deemed that they’re more likely to have their applications denied).
But a country of origin/legal residency being considered ‘safe’ by the UK does not automatically invalidate an asylum application, and rightly so.
Even EU citizens are able to claim asylum in the UK.
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On economic grounds?
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In the case of Bangladesh it'll be environment based due to recent constantly reoccuring floods. Pakistan due to a volatile political situation, with Imran Khan being jailed and even his party's symbol of a cricket bat being banned. India due to Hindu Modi's authoritarian attitude towards Indian Muslims, although His power waned in recent elections.
Got to stop falling asleep with the World Service on
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