But in seriousness; yes of course they need a lot more time.

As I said earlier I’m merely poking a wasp’s nest is all

I do think however certain optics are awful at such an early stage.

Optics are awful but the right wing press and Robbie Gibbs BBC were always going to go for them

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Optics are awful but the right wing press and Robbie Gibbs BBC were always going to go for them
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Of course they were. I wholeheartedly agree. Hence why I think it’s just really amateurish to give the ammunition.

And then there’s the point that I’m just filling in time. Thankfully most can see this for what it is

They'd have to do nothing to not get attacked and then the line would be "zombie govt" or whatever

The UK’s top ten richest people are wealthier than the group has ever been, according to The Sunday Times, who recently released their annual Rich List. Their data finds that the cumulative wealth of the top ten billionaires in the UK has grown from £47.77 billion in 2009 to £182 billion in 2022 - an increase of 281 percent.

Why have their taxes not gone up at the same rate? Taxes should start at 30k per year. Make up the deficit by taxing these gooons so that wealth can be redistributed amongst the society.

Call it socialism or whatever you want but the while world will be eventually facked if wealth is not redistributed to some degree somehow.

We can do this the hard way or the easy way. Your choice.

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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
What’s the acceptable amount of time allowed to judge a government?

3 months or 14 years?
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Difficult to be definitive.

Maybe from proclaiming that everything was from then on going to be completely transparent and above board for all to see whilst leading by example might be a point.

Also having 14 years in opposition to plan things in full knowledge of what was wrong might give a bit of a head start.

Winning an election with practically no agenda or methodology and a support of 34% of voters isn’t exactly storming stuff when it would have been a significant shock were they to lose with the last lot of incompetents.

And maybe cease with the being stunned at everything. It just really doesn’t wash at all.
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So you think 14 years of damage can be repaired in a few months because Labour had 14 years to prepare?

It’ll probably take a decade just to recover from Brexit

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They'd have to do nothing to not get attacked and then the line would be "zombie govt" or whatever
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Maybe. It comes with the territory of politics and pissh taking though. It’s what those with different standpoints often do

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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
What’s the acceptable amount of time allowed to judge a government?

3 months or 14 years?
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Difficult to be definitive.

Maybe from proclaiming that everything was from then on going to be completely transparent and above board for all to see whilst leading by example might be a point.

Also having 14 years in opposition to plan things in full knowledge of what was wrong might give a bit of a head start.

Winning an election with practically no agenda or methodology and a support of 34% of voters isn’t exactly storming stuff when it would have been a significant shock were they to lose with the last lot of incompetents.

And maybe cease with the being stunned at everything. It just really doesn’t wash at all.
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So you think 14 years of damage can be repaired in a few months because Labour had 14 years to prepare?

It’ll probably take a decade just to recover from Brexit
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I’m absolutely certain I never claimed that

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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
What’s the acceptable amount of time allowed to judge a government?

3 months or 14 years?
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Difficult to be definitive.

Maybe from proclaiming that everything was from then on going to be completely transparent and above board for all to see whilst leading by example might be a point.

Also having 14 years in opposition to plan things in full knowledge of what was wrong might give a bit of a head start.

Winning an election with practically no agenda or methodology and a support of 34% of voters isn’t exactly storming stuff when it would have been a significant shock were they to lose with the last lot of incompetents.

And maybe cease with the being stunned at everything. It just really doesn’t wash at all.
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So you think 14 years of damage can be repaired in a few months because Labour had 14 years to prepare?

It’ll probably take a decade just to recover from Brexit
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I’m absolutely certain I never claimed that
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And I said this

“But in seriousness; yes of course they need a lot more time.

As I said earlier I’m merely poking a wasp’s nest is all

I do think however certain optics are awful at such an early stage.”

comment by Mamba - You hit us, We hit you. (U1282)
posted 14 seconds ago
The UK’s top ten richest people are wealthier than the group has ever been, according to The Sunday Times, who recently released their annual Rich List. Their data finds that the cumulative wealth of the top ten billionaires in the UK has grown from £47.77 billion in 2009 to £182 billion in 2022 - an increase of 281 percent.

Why have their taxes not gone up at the same rate? Taxes should start at 30k per year. Make up the deficit by taxing these gooons so that wealth can be redistributed amongst the society.

Call it socialism or whatever you want but the while world will be eventually facked if wealth is not redistributed to some degree somehow.

We can do this the hard way or the easy way. Your choice.
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As Marx clearly demonstrated, we’ve seen the same pattern repeated over and over, and we’ll see it once again.

They can build underground bunkers and gated communities, recruit private security armies, hoard their assets across timezones, and register their companies in tax havens; but inevitably, people will only put up with so much of it.

We have, almost everywhere, the top 10% getting wealthier and the bottom 50% struggling with rent, supermarket shopping, heating their homes and accessing healthcare.

As you say, there are easier and more difficult ways to progress. I’d rather not see heads on spikes, personally.

WE HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR CHAINS

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
What’s the acceptable amount of time allowed to judge a government?

3 months or 14 years?
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Difficult to be definitive.

Maybe from proclaiming that everything was from then on going to be completely transparent and above board for all to see whilst leading by example might be a point.

Also having 14 years in opposition to plan things in full knowledge of what was wrong might give a bit of a head start.

Winning an election with practically no agenda or methodology and a support of 34% of voters isn’t exactly storming stuff when it would have been a significant shock were they to lose with the last lot of incompetents.

And maybe cease with the being stunned at everything. It just really doesn’t wash at all.
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So you think 14 years of damage can be repaired in a few months because Labour had 14 years to prepare?

It’ll probably take a decade just to recover from Brexit
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Brexit has a 4%+ loss in GDP baked in.

Future growth will build on 96% of where the UK should have been at. Running the math on that will see in *real terms* that loss of hard currency only increase.

There’s no starting to even offset a proportion of that loss - 4% and growing, year on year on year - until the UK is back in the single market or has a much improved arrangement with the EU the likes of which isn’t even up for discussion atm.

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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
What’s the acceptable amount of time allowed to judge a government?

3 months or 14 years?
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Difficult to be definitive.

Maybe from proclaiming that everything was from then on going to be completely transparent and above board for all to see whilst leading by example might be a point.

Also having 14 years in opposition to plan things in full knowledge of what was wrong might give a bit of a head start.

Winning an election with practically no agenda or methodology and a support of 34% of voters isn’t exactly storming stuff when it would have been a significant shock were they to lose with the last lot of incompetents.

And maybe cease with the being stunned at everything. It just really doesn’t wash at all.
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So you think 14 years of damage can be repaired in a few months because Labour had 14 years to prepare?

It’ll probably take a decade just to recover from Brexit
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Brexit has a 4%+ loss in GDP baked in.

Future growth will build on 96% of where the UK should have been at. Running the math on that will see in *real terms* that loss of hard currency only increase.

There’s no starting to even offset a proportion of that loss - 4% and growing, year on year on year - until the UK is back in the single market or has a much improved arrangement with the EU the likes of which isn’t even up for discussion atm.
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Taking away the wrongs or wrongs of Brexit; no party (other than the Lib Dems) seems remotely interested in rejoining either the common market or the EU.

Notions of renegotiating parts are fanciful at best

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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
What’s the acceptable amount of time allowed to judge a government?

3 months or 14 years?
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Difficult to be definitive.

Maybe from proclaiming that everything was from then on going to be completely transparent and above board for all to see whilst leading by example might be a point.

Also having 14 years in opposition to plan things in full knowledge of what was wrong might give a bit of a head start.

Winning an election with practically no agenda or methodology and a support of 34% of voters isn’t exactly storming stuff when it would have been a significant shock were they to lose with the last lot of incompetents.

And maybe cease with the being stunned at everything. It just really doesn’t wash at all.
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So you think 14 years of damage can be repaired in a few months because Labour had 14 years to prepare?

It’ll probably take a decade just to recover from Brexit
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Brexit has a 4%+ loss in GDP baked in.

Future growth will build on 96% of where the UK should have been at. Running the math on that will see in *real terms* that loss of hard currency only increase.

There’s no starting to even offset a proportion of that loss - 4% and growing, year on year on year - until the UK is back in the single market or has a much improved arrangement with the EU the likes of which isn’t even up for discussion atm.
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Taking away the wrongs or wrongs of Brexit; no party (other than the Lib Dems) seems remotely interested in rejoining either the common market or the EU.

Notions of renegotiating parts are fanciful at best
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Yep. Adding injury to injury.

Just pointing out that there’s no other means of amelioration of the damage done. There’s no other way to “recover from Brexit”, economically speaking.

As you say, there are easier and more difficult ways to progress. I’d rather not see heads on spikes, personally.
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Even Murdoch and Musk? I’d love to see their heads on London Bridge.

James Ratcliffe - $13.1 billion (£10.8 billion)

Don’t remind me

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posted 1 minute ago
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
What’s the acceptable amount of time allowed to judge a government?

3 months or 14 years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Difficult to be definitive.

Maybe from proclaiming that everything was from then on going to be completely transparent and above board for all to see whilst leading by example might be a point.

Also having 14 years in opposition to plan things in full knowledge of what was wrong might give a bit of a head start.

Winning an election with practically no agenda or methodology and a support of 34% of voters isn’t exactly storming stuff when it would have been a significant shock were they to lose with the last lot of incompetents.

And maybe cease with the being stunned at everything. It just really doesn’t wash at all.
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So you think 14 years of damage can be repaired in a few months because Labour had 14 years to prepare?

It’ll probably take a decade just to recover from Brexit
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Brexit has a 4%+ loss in GDP baked in.

Future growth will build on 96% of where the UK should have been at. Running the math on that will see in *real terms* that loss of hard currency only increase.

There’s no starting to even offset a proportion of that loss - 4% and growing, year on year on year - until the UK is back in the single market or has a much improved arrangement with the EU the likes of which isn’t even up for discussion atm.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Taking away the wrongs or wrongs of Brexit; no party (other than the Lib Dems) seems remotely interested in rejoining either the common market or the EU.

Notions of renegotiating parts are fanciful at best
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Yep. Adding injury to injury.

Just pointing out that there’s no other means of amelioration of the damage done. There’s no other way to “recover from Brexit”, economically speaking.
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Can’t disagree in that the fiscal deficit is now so wide.

What we can try and do better is stimulate business and encourage them to grow along with incentivising international interest in our country. Sadly I fear we will do the exact opposite.

comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted about a minute ago
James Ratcliffe - $13.1 billion (£10.8 billion)

Don’t remind me
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Ok

James Ratcliffe - $13.1 billion (£10.8 billion)

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Thinking about this however, maybe a measure he put in place that profits over a stated level should see refunding of subsidy in proportion? Not sure how we could do it, but that would seem fair.
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Or specific lower tariffs for the fix income pensioners and the U.S. receiving low paid. Social safety nets are just being exploited and this tax purse dipping has been ignored by successive gifts.
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I just think that would be a managerial nightmare to control, especially with the ‘regulatory” of Force Majeure events in these times.

Perhaps expand the “rebate” of public subsidies which can then be redistributed to those who have likely already been means tested for credits or the like? Maybe even require the companies to rebate customers directly and put the onus on them.

With this though, there would have to be additional ,ensure to ensure there is no dredging of dividends or pay awards (other than again stated levels) that reduces profit.

Or even more courageously, be forced to demonstrate infrastructure improvements and modernisation that in itself creates more job opportunities.

I’m in the wrong job
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We've got one of the most complex tax books in the world, loophole here, avoidance scheme over there. I'm sure we have the accountants and managers to create a workable, equitable system.
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People like Dyson, Jim Ratcliffe and that Pimlico Plumbers owner are quick to avoid paying Into the exchequer but moan about the state of the country before jumping ship.
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The top 1% pay 29% of all income tax
The top 10% pay 60% of all income tax

And that’s before they pay even more through luxury purchases, VAT, travel, council tax, stamp duty etc etc.

Trying to set what’s fair I think should be more about closing loopholes than simply taxing more
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This is no excuse for individuala, including members of.the previous gov (Rees Mogg for example), or companies offshoring their wealth/profits to avoid paying what they should.

I doubt the likes of Ratcliffe, Dyson et al or Apple, Starbucks etc are included in the figures you mentioned. They pay as little as possible.
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Practically everyone avoids paying tax they are not legally obliged to pay. To think otherwise is fanciful.

And those individuals paying any tax into our economy are included. How could they not be?
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Those with the money and resources avoid tax, that's not practically everyone. Stop making excuses for them.

This is brutal from JOB

https://x.com/lbc/status/1836710575310586305?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw

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comment by Mamba - You hit us, We hit you. (U1282)
posted 14 seconds ago
The UK’s top ten richest people are wealthier than the group has ever been, according to The Sunday Times, who recently released their annual Rich List. Their data finds that the cumulative wealth of the top ten billionaires in the UK has grown from £47.77 billion in 2009 to £182 billion in 2022 - an increase of 281 percent.

Why have their taxes not gone up at the same rate? Taxes should start at 30k per year. Make up the deficit by taxing these gooons so that wealth can be redistributed amongst the society.

Call it socialism or whatever you want but the while world will be eventually facked if wealth is not redistributed to some degree somehow.

We can do this the hard way or the easy way. Your choice.
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As Marx clearly demonstrated, we’ve seen the same pattern repeated over and over, and we’ll see it once again.

They can build underground bunkers and gated communities, recruit private security armies, hoard their assets across timezones, and register their companies in tax havens; but inevitably, people will only put up with so much of it.

We have, almost everywhere, the top 10% getting wealthier and the bottom 50% struggling with rent, supermarket shopping, heating their homes and accessing healthcare.

As you say, there are easier and more difficult ways to progress. I’d rather not see heads on spikes, personally.
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The rich control things, not just nationally but also internationally. They slowly hoard all the grain and so eventually the villagers will break into the silos and take the grain by force

“If these ten men were to lose 99.999 percent of their wealth tomorrow, they would still be richer than 99 percent of all the people on this planet,” said Oxfam International’s Executive Director Gabriela Bucher. “They now have six times more wealth than the poorest 3.1 billion people.”
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How can this be seen as normal or acceptable? It's a deformation in the economic system. There will always be wealth disparity but this is ridiculous. It's like having a massive swelling on your neck, a clear sign that something is wrong, but continuing to ignore it.

Fack sake, interest rates remain the same at 5%

comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 18 minutes ago
This is brutal from JOB

https://x.com/lbc/status/1836710575310586305?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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Next interest rate decision in November/December, hopefully it gets cut then. My fixed rate expires in March