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posted on 19/9/24

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2022/07/apples-uk-retail-tax/

Well if it's not illegal, everyone does it, they don't, and it's available to everyone, it's not then £800,000 tax on profits made in the UK of £32m is okay in Ginge's opinion.
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Hmmm. Now where did I say that again?

Oh yeah. Nowhere.

Which bit of “close loopholes off by all means” bypassed this discussion?

I have no issues with having discussions or debates on any subject; but when faced with deliberate false misinterpretations or just made up nonsense, then what’s the point?
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Those 3 things are excuses you've given. You also claimed that

". I’m saying that these organisations are making the most of perfectly legal means to maximise profits and reduce taxation. It happens and most companies can do it will. I don’t know of any who voluntarily don’t. Like their results; they will only publish what is legally required."

Most companies base their finances offshore to avoid tax? I'd like to see proof of this.

I haven't misinterpreted anything you've said. You say close all loopholes but it sounds weak given the numerous excuses you've given to mitigate why it happens. It may not be illegal but that doesn't make of right, most people don't do it, and it's only available to those with wealth not your average worker.
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Class them as excuses if you wish to. I don’t agree.

When you make claims that I’m stating that paying £800k tax on an income on a revenue of £32m is ok; then that is quite simple fabrication. It is what it is. How does anyone even begin to answer something made up, far less engage in meaningful discussion? Not for me I’m afraid.

Whatever I say as being simple organisational tactics used worldwide, you’ll simply retort to it being weak or making excuses. We’ve reached an impasse and we’ll never agree.

Lastly I’m not remotely interested in finding you proof of anything. You want to spend time disproving it then be my guest. I doubt yours or my conclusions will change.

posted on 19/9/24

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 12 minutes ago
Private eye podcast, talking about lords reform. One contributor said there is a female member called Lady Garden...surely not...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Garden,_Baroness_Garden_of_Frognal
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Hahahaha. Superb 😂

posted on 19/9/24

Ginge

". It happens and most companies can do it will."

Is this fact or opinion? That's why I asked for proof. I doubt think most companies do.

posted on 19/9/24

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted less than a minute ago
Ginge

". It happens and most companies can do it will."

Is this fact or opinion? That's why I asked for proof. I doubt think most companies do.
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Ok. Most companies I know do and they are international. All those that get the headlines obviously do.

As such I believe most that can, will.

posted on 19/9/24

Just an additional point which again you may not agree with the motives

These organisations have a primary responsibility to their shareholders which means prioritising revenue and profits whilst keeping costs as low as their market demands. That specifically includes reducing taxation.

That function comes way ahead of filling any government coffers anywhere regardless of the politicians in charge or the views of its population.

To do otherwise is corporate negligence and would undoubtedly result in heads rolling should they independently choose to do otherwise.

posted on 19/9/24

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just an additional point which again you may not agree with the motives

These organisations have a primary responsibility to their shareholders which means prioritising revenue and profits whilst keeping costs as low as their market demands. That specifically includes reducing taxation.

That function comes way ahead of filling any government coffers anywhere regardless of the politicians in charge or the views of its population.

To do otherwise is corporate negligence and would undoubtedly result in heads rolling should they independently choose to do otherwise.
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“These organisations have a primary responsibility to their shareholders which means prioritising revenue and profits whilst keeping costs as low as their market demands.”

And legally in some countries. Which is plainly ridiculous in a civilised society.

posted on 19/9/24

comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just an additional point which again you may not agree with the motives

These organisations have a primary responsibility to their shareholders which means prioritising revenue and profits whilst keeping costs as low as their market demands. That specifically includes reducing taxation.

That function comes way ahead of filling any government coffers anywhere regardless of the politicians in charge or the views of its population.

To do otherwise is corporate negligence and would undoubtedly result in heads rolling should they independently choose to do otherwise.
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“These organisations have a primary responsibility to their shareholders which means prioritising revenue and profits whilst keeping costs as low as their market demands.”

And legally in some countries. Which is plainly ridiculous in a civilised society.
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That mantra will never change I’m afraid.

It’s the loopholes that need closing along with international countries coming together to refuse access to their markets unless they pay appropriately.

More importantly they need to have the balls to see it through in face of the threats of leaving that they will inevitably endure. Imagine if all of Europe prevented Dell, Starbucks, Costa Coffee and the likes from operating Europe wide?

Then think about them all denying Tik Tok, X etc in the same vein. Sadly they can’t agree on the colour of sheite as it stands.

posted on 19/9/24

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
Just an additional point which again you may not agree with the motives

These organisations have a primary responsibility to their shareholders which means prioritising revenue and profits whilst keeping costs as low as their market demands. That specifically includes reducing taxation.

That function comes way ahead of filling any government coffers anywhere regardless of the politicians in charge or the views of its population.

To do otherwise is corporate negligence and would undoubtedly result in heads rolling should they independently choose to do otherwise.
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“These organisations have a primary responsibility to their shareholders which means prioritising revenue and profits whilst keeping costs as low as their market demands.”

And legally in some countries. Which is plainly ridiculous in a civilised society.
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That mantra will never change I’m afraid.

It’s the loopholes that need closing along with international countries coming together to refuse access to their markets unless they pay appropriately.

More importantly they need to have the balls to see it through in face of the threats of leaving that they will inevitably endure. Imagine if all of Europe prevented Dell, Starbucks, Costa Coffee and the likes from operating Europe wide?

Then think about them all denying Tik Tok, X etc in the same vein. Sadly they can’t agree on the colour of sheite as it stands.
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Banning Starbucks, for example, would be a spectacular success for local economies, entrepreneurs, local producers and consumers across the continent.

(Rather a shame that the above isn’t enough on its own )

But yeah, the fackers should at the very least be paying up. It’s a nonsense that the café up my street, run by the 75 year old woman who has been doing the job for half a century, will be paying proportionately more tax on its profits than the Starbucks in our closest city.

posted on 19/9/24

Running a small business, you realise very quickly that almost everything you’ll need and want to do will be proportionately far, far more difficult than it is for any given megacorporation in the same domain, and IMO that’s completely the wrong way around.

Particularly if you set out to do things properly and above board. We’re being VAT audited at the moment, which is plainly ridiculous, because we’re worth, relatively speaking, next to nothing to the PT exchequer.(Nothing to worry about, because we’re squeaky clean, obviously Just wasting a lot of time with our useless accountant trying to explain to her how distance selling rules work )

I would bet that the huge PT brands never get that particular knock on their door.

posted on 19/9/24

Got my new passport today .. it's Brexit blue 🤢

posted on 19/9/24

comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Running a small business, you realise very quickly that almost everything you’ll need and want to do will be proportionately far, far more difficult than it is for any given megacorporation in the same domain, and IMO that’s completely the wrong way around.

Particularly if you set out to do things properly and above board. We’re being VAT audited at the moment, which is plainly ridiculous, because we’re worth, relatively speaking, next to nothing to the PT exchequer.(Nothing to worry about, because we’re squeaky clean, obviouslyJust wasting a lot of time with our useless accountant trying to explain to her how distance selling rules work)

I would bet that the huge PT brands never get that particular knock on their door.
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You’re low hanging fruit and a much easier target

posted on 19/9/24

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 5 minutes ago
Got my new passport today .. it's Brexit blue 🤢
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Welcome to the club

posted on 19/9/24

Doesn’t help when so many people are apathetic, or even defend the disgraceful actions, of this corporate profiteering and tax dodging.

posted on 19/9/24

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted less than a minute ago
Doesn’t help when so many people are apathetic, or even defend the disgraceful actions, of this corporate profiteering and tax dodging.
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Only the law can change it. Let’s see what this government does on that front eh?

And again for the record it’s not tax dodging. That is just a name given to tax evasion. Illegal.

posted on 19/9/24

And the law can only be changed to address this issue when governments are putting the needs of the general public first over the needs of the super rich. The UK doesn’t have one of these, and it’s mainly because of my last post that this is the case. They aren’t campaigning on a mandate to address the problem because people are apathetic or facking mental and bootlick billionaires and corporations.

posted on 19/9/24

Tax dodging can mean tax avoidance.

posted on 19/9/24

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted less than a minute ago
Tax dodging can mean tax avoidance.
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It’s much easier to avoid confusion and use one of the recognised terms of avoidance or evasion. Which were you meaning?

posted on 19/9/24

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
And the law can only be changed to address this issue when governments are putting the needs of the general public first over the needs of the super rich. The UK doesn’t have one of these, and it’s mainly because of my last post that this is the case. They aren’t campaigning on a mandate to address the problem because people are apathetic or facking mental and bootlick billionaires and corporations.
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As I said, let’s see what this government does. They’ll close non dom and the like but will be the usual lily liverish when it comes to corporations.

posted on 19/9/24

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Running a small business, you realise very quickly that almost everything you’ll need and want to do will be proportionately far, far more difficult than it is for any given megacorporation in the same domain, and IMO that’s completely the wrong way around.

Particularly if you set out to do things properly and above board. We’re being VAT audited at the moment, which is plainly ridiculous, because we’re worth, relatively speaking, next to nothing to the PT exchequer.(Nothing to worry about, because we’re squeaky clean, obviouslyJust wasting a lot of time with our useless accountant trying to explain to her how distance selling rules work)

I would bet that the huge PT brands never get that particular knock on their door.
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You’re low hanging fruit and a much easier target
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They can suck on my low hanging fruit, the lazy cants.

posted on 19/9/24

And with this massive majority and such lack of opposition the government can try anything really.

They won’t though

posted on 19/9/24

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted less than a minute ago
Tax dodging can mean tax avoidance.
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It’s much easier to avoid confusion and use one of the recognised terms of avoidance or evasion. Which were you meaning?
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Avoidance. Though I suspect if we were really allowed to properly scrutinise many of the super rich, there would be some tax evasion going on as well.

posted on 19/9/24

comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Running a small business, you realise very quickly that almost everything you’ll need and want to do will be proportionately far, far more difficult than it is for any given megacorporation in the same domain, and IMO that’s completely the wrong way around.

Particularly if you set out to do things properly and above board. We’re being VAT audited at the moment, which is plainly ridiculous, because we’re worth, relatively speaking, next to nothing to the PT exchequer.(Nothing to worry about, because we’re squeaky clean, obviouslyJust wasting a lot of time with our useless accountant trying to explain to her how distance selling rules work)

I would bet that the huge PT brands never get that particular knock on their door.
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You’re low hanging fruit and a much easier target
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They can suck on my low hanging fruit, the lazy cants.
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The tax man will make a deal with you. They just want the money is all. The VAT man will jail you

posted on 19/9/24

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
And the law can only be changed to address this issue when governments are putting the needs of the general public first over the needs of the super rich. The UK doesn’t have one of these, and it’s mainly because of my last post that this is the case. They aren’t campaigning on a mandate to address the problem because people are apathetic or facking mental and bootlick billionaires and corporations.
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As I said, let’s see what this government does. They’ll close non dom and the like but will be the usual lily liverish when it comes to corporations.
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This is exactly what I suspect will happen because the super rich have so much power of government policy, this is the sad thing about it all.

posted on 19/9/24

*over

posted on 19/9/24

comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted less than a minute ago
Tax dodging can mean tax avoidance.
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It’s much easier to avoid confusion and use one of the recognised terms of avoidance or evasion. Which were you meaning?
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Avoidance. Though I suspect if we were really allowed to properly scrutinise many of the super rich, there would be some tax evasion going on as well.
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Britain’s good old grey economy. That’s a much easier target and would raise many, many billions if administered properly. And most of that is in the trades.

HMRC hardly even bothers to answer the phone.

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