Wonder if the bank will offer me 1.25% again
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posted 15 minutes ago
“If these ten men were to lose 99.999 percent of their wealth tomorrow, they would still be richer than 99 percent of all the people on this planet,” said Oxfam International’s Executive Director Gabriela Bucher. “They now have six times more wealth than the poorest 3.1 billion people.”
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How can this be seen as normal or acceptable? It's a deformation in the economic system. There will always be wealth disparity but this is ridiculous. It's like having a massive swelling on your neck, a clear sign that something is wrong, but continuing to ignore it.
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It's ignored because the government has us arguing about whether a small boat of people will be let in to eat our pets and rape our children. People are so easily distracted.
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posted 33 minutes ago
This is brutal from JOB
https://x.com/lbc/status/1836710575310586305?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 33 minutes ago
This is brutal from JOB
https://x.com/lbc/status/1836710575310586305?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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I bet he was listening to that as he was exiting the building too
Rape allegations coming out against Al Fayed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo
Him and Prince Philip are duking it out in hell
The death of one Tory rag, and hopefully many more to come.
https://x.com/elliotwagland/status/1836711334878068886?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 33 minutes ago
This is brutal from JOB
https://x.com/lbc/status/1836710575310586305?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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I bet he was listening to that as he was exiting the building too
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Bet you could cook a full English on his face from the rage.
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Thinking about this however, maybe a measure he put in place that profits over a stated level should see refunding of subsidy in proportion? Not sure how we could do it, but that would seem fair.
.........
Or specific lower tariffs for the fix income pensioners and the U.S. receiving low paid. Social safety nets are just being exploited and this tax purse dipping has been ignored by successive gifts.
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I just think that would be a managerial nightmare to control, especially with the ‘regulatory” of Force Majeure events in these times.
Perhaps expand the “rebate” of public subsidies which can then be redistributed to those who have likely already been means tested for credits or the like? Maybe even require the companies to rebate customers directly and put the onus on them.
With this though, there would have to be additional ,ensure to ensure there is no dredging of dividends or pay awards (other than again stated levels) that reduces profit.
Or even more courageously, be forced to demonstrate infrastructure improvements and modernisation that in itself creates more job opportunities.
I’m in the wrong job
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We've got one of the most complex tax books in the world, loophole here, avoidance scheme over there. I'm sure we have the accountants and managers to create a workable, equitable system.
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People like Dyson, Jim Ratcliffe and that Pimlico Plumbers owner are quick to avoid paying Into the exchequer but moan about the state of the country before jumping ship.
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The top 1% pay 29% of all income tax
The top 10% pay 60% of all income tax
And that’s before they pay even more through luxury purchases, VAT, travel, council tax, stamp duty etc etc.
Trying to set what’s fair I think should be more about closing loopholes than simply taxing more
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This is no excuse for individuala, including members of.the previous gov (Rees Mogg for example), or companies offshoring their wealth/profits to avoid paying what they should.
I doubt the likes of Ratcliffe, Dyson et al or Apple, Starbucks etc are included in the figures you mentioned. They pay as little as possible.
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Practically everyone avoids paying tax they are not legally obliged to pay. To think otherwise is fanciful.
And those individuals paying any tax into our economy are included. How could they not be?
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Those with the money and resources avoid tax, that's not practically everyone. Stop making excuses for them.
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Dearie me
Who’s making excuses? I’m stating simple facts.
Do you pay more tax than you have to? And even if (with due respect) you earned their kind of money; would you volunteer to pay more tax when legally you wouldn’t have to?
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It upsets me that the wurld allough bad peepul too thrive n becumb rich n powerful n famus
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He’s another R.Kelly, I bet there’s a lot of other pop stars like him who’s dirty laundry will get aired over the years too.
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Not just pop stars. They have sheet on everybody. Look how complete and encompassing Diddy's case is.
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I read about his house on Long Island. Cameras in all the bedrooms? Maybe the big Diddy was trying to blackmail some of his guests?
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Blackmailing people for whom? Can't be for himself as he's very rich, no?
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Okay. He doesn't need more money? That may be, but he definitely wants more. Maybe he wants power and influence. WTF? 😂 Maybe he's just a dyk.
Tax avoiders are leeches, parasites that want all the benefits of infrastructure and educated workforces without paying their share.
The revolution the extreme, libertarian right are craving would end up with them against a wall.
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posted about a minute ago
Thinking about this however, maybe a measure he put in place that profits over a stated level should see refunding of subsidy in proportion? Not sure how we could do it, but that would seem fair.
.........
Or specific lower tariffs for the fix income pensioners and the U.S. receiving low paid. Social safety nets are just being exploited and this tax purse dipping has been ignored by successive gifts.
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I just think that would be a managerial nightmare to control, especially with the ‘regulatory” of Force Majeure events in these times.
Perhaps expand the “rebate” of public subsidies which can then be redistributed to those who have likely already been means tested for credits or the like? Maybe even require the companies to rebate customers directly and put the onus on them.
With this though, there would have to be additional ,ensure to ensure there is no dredging of dividends or pay awards (other than again stated levels) that reduces profit.
Or even more courageously, be forced to demonstrate infrastructure improvements and modernisation that in itself creates more job opportunities.
I’m in the wrong job
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We've got one of the most complex tax books in the world, loophole here, avoidance scheme over there. I'm sure we have the accountants and managers to create a workable, equitable system.
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People like Dyson, Jim Ratcliffe and that Pimlico Plumbers owner are quick to avoid paying Into the exchequer but moan about the state of the country before jumping ship.
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The top 1% pay 29% of all income tax
The top 10% pay 60% of all income tax
And that’s before they pay even more through luxury purchases, VAT, travel, council tax, stamp duty etc etc.
Trying to set what’s fair I think should be more about closing loopholes than simply taxing more
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This is no excuse for individuala, including members of.the previous gov (Rees Mogg for example), or companies offshoring their wealth/profits to avoid paying what they should.
I doubt the likes of Ratcliffe, Dyson et al or Apple, Starbucks etc are included in the figures you mentioned. They pay as little as possible.
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Practically everyone avoids paying tax they are not legally obliged to pay. To think otherwise is fanciful.
And those individuals paying any tax into our economy are included. How could they not be?
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Those with the money and resources avoid tax, that's not practically everyone. Stop making excuses for them.
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Dearie me
Who’s making excuses? I’m stating simple facts.
Do you pay more tax than you have to? And even if (with due respect) you earned their kind of money; would you volunteer to pay more tax when legally you wouldn’t have to?
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"Who's making excuses" following "practically everyone avoids paying tax"
Dyson et al are avoiding paying more than they have to. Behave Ginge they're avoiding paying what they should be paying using a loophole not available to the rest of us. Didn't think you were this niave.
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posted about a minute ago
Thinking about this however, maybe a measure he put in place that profits over a stated level should see refunding of subsidy in proportion? Not sure how we could do it, but that would seem fair.
.........
Or specific lower tariffs for the fix income pensioners and the U.S. receiving low paid. Social safety nets are just being exploited and this tax purse dipping has been ignored by successive gifts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just think that would be a managerial nightmare to control, especially with the ‘regulatory” of Force Majeure events in these times.
Perhaps expand the “rebate” of public subsidies which can then be redistributed to those who have likely already been means tested for credits or the like? Maybe even require the companies to rebate customers directly and put the onus on them.
With this though, there would have to be additional ,ensure to ensure there is no dredging of dividends or pay awards (other than again stated levels) that reduces profit.
Or even more courageously, be forced to demonstrate infrastructure improvements and modernisation that in itself creates more job opportunities.
I’m in the wrong job
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We've got one of the most complex tax books in the world, loophole here, avoidance scheme over there. I'm sure we have the accountants and managers to create a workable, equitable system.
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People like Dyson, Jim Ratcliffe and that Pimlico Plumbers owner are quick to avoid paying Into the exchequer but moan about the state of the country before jumping ship.
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The top 1% pay 29% of all income tax
The top 10% pay 60% of all income tax
And that’s before they pay even more through luxury purchases, VAT, travel, council tax, stamp duty etc etc.
Trying to set what’s fair I think should be more about closing loopholes than simply taxing more
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is no excuse for individuala, including members of.the previous gov (Rees Mogg for example), or companies offshoring their wealth/profits to avoid paying what they should.
I doubt the likes of Ratcliffe, Dyson et al or Apple, Starbucks etc are included in the figures you mentioned. They pay as little as possible.
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Practically everyone avoids paying tax they are not legally obliged to pay. To think otherwise is fanciful.
And those individuals paying any tax into our economy are included. How could they not be?
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Those with the money and resources avoid tax, that's not practically everyone. Stop making excuses for them.
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Dearie me
Who’s making excuses? I’m stating simple facts.
Do you pay more tax than you have to? And even if (with due respect) you earned their kind of money; would you volunteer to pay more tax when legally you wouldn’t have to?
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"Who's making excuses" following "practically everyone avoids paying tax"
Dyson et al are avoiding paying more than they have to. Behave Ginge they're avoiding paying what they should be paying using a loophole not available to the rest of us. Didn't think you were this niave.
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How do you equate acting legally and acknowledging it with “making excuses”? That just doesn’t make sense.
And as for avoiding more than paying more than they ought to suggests breaking some law which clearly they don’t.
Those loopholes are available to anyone who has the means to use them and by their nature don’t include many eligible organisations or individuals.
There are many legal means that allows people to avoid tax and anyone can deem them acceptable to their standards or not as they so choose. Still nothing illegal about them. That’s just a fact and not an excuse.
Close loopholes by all means. I’ve certainly no issue with it and if it means me paying more tax then so be it. Not overly fussed to be honest.
Where do you stand with “loopholes” like ISA’s, R&D costs, gifting, trust funds and many many more ways of not paying tax on income as a matter of interest? Genuine question.
There are many legal means that allows people to avoid tax and anyone can deem them acceptable to their standards or not as they so choose. Still nothing illegal about them. That’s just a fact and not an excuse.
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Wait, what happened to patriotism, morality, ethics and building the country?
Isn't that why you defended Brexit and the Tories on here for years?
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posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Rape allegations coming out against Al Fayed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo
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Billionaire in acting-on-sadistic-whims-with-complete-impunity shocker.
Ginge
"How do you equate acting legally and acknowledging it with “making excuses”? That just doesn’t make sense."
Saying practically everyone does it is the definition of an excuse.
If it wasn't wrong (never said illegal) why would individuals and corporations go to such lengths to hide their wealth offshore? Its not because they're paying their faot share.
"Those loopholes are available to anyone"
No they're not, how many offshore accounts have you got then?
Funny how those avoiding tax are the same tub thumping patriots who say they care about the state of the country. Do they fack.
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comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Rape allegations coming out against Al Fayed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo
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Billionaire in acting-on-sadistic-whims-with-complete-impunity shocker.
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I wish these allegations came out when he was actually alive so he could’ve rotted in prison during his final days
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comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Rape allegations coming out against Al Fayed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo
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Billionaire in acting-on-sadistic-whims-with-complete-impunity shocker.
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I wish these allegations came out when he was actually alive so he could’ve rotted in prison during his final days
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Mate, billionaires only ever go to prison when they’ve been caught stealing from other billionaires.
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Ginge
"How do you equate acting legally and acknowledging it with “making excuses”? That just doesn’t make sense."
Saying practically everyone does it is the definition of an excuse.
If it wasn't wrong (never said illegal) why would individuals and corporations go to such lengths to hide their wealth offshore? Its not because they're paying their faot share.
"Those loopholes are available to anyone"
No they're not, how many offshore accounts have you got then?
Funny how those avoiding tax are the same tub thumping patriots who say they care about the state of the country. Do they fack.
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I’m genuinely not making excuses. I’m saying that these organisations are making the most of perfectly legal means to maximise profits and reduce taxation. It happens and most companies can do it will. I don’t know of any who voluntarily don’t. Like their results; they will only publish what is legally required.
As for my accounts, I’m afraid they are not up for discussion. I’m sure you’ll understand that. I mean that loopholes available to anyone who is able to use them. That doesn’t mean every single individual.
On your last point I think you are referring to a few high net worth individuals who spout forth. They do it because they feel they have a political point to make, or maybe they just like the press of telling all and sundry how wealthy they are. I don’t know. I tend to find it quite vulgar.
Large organisations tend to keep quiet for obvious reasons.
Hope that makes sense.
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Rape allegations coming out against Al Fayed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo
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Billionaire in acting-on-sadistic-whims-with-complete-impunity shocker.
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I wish these allegations came out when he was actually alive so he could’ve rotted in prison during his final days
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Mate, billionaires only ever go to prison when they’ve been caught stealing from other billionaires.
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“When a chap needs a loan from another chap……”
Yes Minister
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2022/07/apples-uk-retail-tax/
Well if it's not illegal, everyone does it, they don't, and it's available to everyone, it's not then £800,000 tax on profits made in the UK of £32m is okay in Ginge's opinion.
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posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2022/07/apples-uk-retail-tax/
Well if it's not illegal, everyone does it, they don't, and it's available to everyone, it's not then £800,000 tax on profits made in the UK of £32m is okay in Ginge's opinion.
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Hmmm. Now where did I say that again?
Oh yeah. Nowhere.
Which bit of “close loopholes off by all means” bypassed this discussion?
I have no issues with having discussions or debates on any subject; but when faced with deliberate false misinterpretations or just made up nonsense, then what’s the point?
*Should* be big news:
UN General Assembly widely supports a Palestinian resolution demanding Israel end its occupation
‘UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. General Assembly strongly supported a nonbinding Palestinian resolution Wednesday demanding that Israel end its “unlawful presence” in Gaza and the occupied West Bank within a year.
The vote in the 193-member world body was 124-14, with 43 abstentions. Among those in opposition was the United States, Israel’s closest ally…
Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian U.N. ambassador, called the vote a turning point “in our struggle for freedom and justice.”
“It sends a clear message that Israel’s occupation must end as soon as possible and that the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination must be realized,” he said...
While the resolution is not legally binding, the extent of its support reflects world opinion. There are no vetoes in the General Assembly, unlike in the 15-member Security Council.
The resolution also demands the withdrawal of all Israeli forces and the evacuation of settlers from the occupied Palestinian territories “without delay.” And it urges countries to impose sanctions on those responsible for maintaining Israel’s presence in the territories and halt arms exports to Israel if they’re suspected of being used there.
In addition, the resolution calls for Israel to pay reparations to Palestinians for the damage caused by its occupation and urges countries to take steps to prevent trade or investments that maintain Israel’s presence in the territories.‘
https://apnews.com/article/un-israel-palestinians-assembly-vote-gaza-a0136b26cad52070e79628639edbec2c
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comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2022/07/apples-uk-retail-tax/
Well if it's not illegal, everyone does it, they don't, and it's available to everyone, it's not then £800,000 tax on profits made in the UK of £32m is okay in Ginge's opinion.
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Hmmm. Now where did I say that again?
Oh yeah. Nowhere.
Which bit of “close loopholes off by all means” bypassed this discussion?
I have no issues with having discussions or debates on any subject; but when faced with deliberate false misinterpretations or just made up nonsense, then what’s the point?
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Those 3 things are excuses you've given. You also claimed that
". I’m saying that these organisations are making the most of perfectly legal means to maximise profits and reduce taxation. It happens and most companies can do it will. I don’t know of any who voluntarily don’t. Like their results; they will only publish what is legally required."
Most companies base their finances offshore to avoid tax? I'd like to see proof of this.
I haven't misinterpreted anything you've said. You say close all loopholes but it sounds weak given the numerous excuses you've given to mitigate why it happens. It may not be illegal but that doesn't make of right, most people don't do it, and it's only available to those with wealth not your average worker.
Private eye podcast, talking about lords reform. One contributor said there is a female member called Lady Garden...surely not...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Garden,_Baroness_Garden_of_Frognal
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posted on 19/9/24
Wonder if the bank will offer me 1.25% again
posted on 19/9/24
comment by Mamba - You hit us, We hit you. (U1282)
posted 15 minutes ago
“If these ten men were to lose 99.999 percent of their wealth tomorrow, they would still be richer than 99 percent of all the people on this planet,” said Oxfam International’s Executive Director Gabriela Bucher. “They now have six times more wealth than the poorest 3.1 billion people.”
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How can this be seen as normal or acceptable? It's a deformation in the economic system. There will always be wealth disparity but this is ridiculous. It's like having a massive swelling on your neck, a clear sign that something is wrong, but continuing to ignore it.
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It's ignored because the government has us arguing about whether a small boat of people will be let in to eat our pets and rape our children. People are so easily distracted.
posted on 19/9/24
comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 33 minutes ago
This is brutal from JOB
https://x.com/lbc/status/1836710575310586305?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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posted on 19/9/24
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comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 33 minutes ago
This is brutal from JOB
https://x.com/lbc/status/1836710575310586305?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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I bet he was listening to that as he was exiting the building too
posted on 19/9/24
Rape allegations coming out against Al Fayed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo
posted on 19/9/24
Him and Prince Philip are duking it out in hell
posted on 19/9/24
The death of one Tory rag, and hopefully many more to come.
https://x.com/elliotwagland/status/1836711334878068886?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
posted on 19/9/24
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posted 36 minutes ago
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This is brutal from JOB
https://x.com/lbc/status/1836710575310586305?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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I bet he was listening to that as he was exiting the building too
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Bet you could cook a full English on his face from the rage.
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Thinking about this however, maybe a measure he put in place that profits over a stated level should see refunding of subsidy in proportion? Not sure how we could do it, but that would seem fair.
.........
Or specific lower tariffs for the fix income pensioners and the U.S. receiving low paid. Social safety nets are just being exploited and this tax purse dipping has been ignored by successive gifts.
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I just think that would be a managerial nightmare to control, especially with the ‘regulatory” of Force Majeure events in these times.
Perhaps expand the “rebate” of public subsidies which can then be redistributed to those who have likely already been means tested for credits or the like? Maybe even require the companies to rebate customers directly and put the onus on them.
With this though, there would have to be additional ,ensure to ensure there is no dredging of dividends or pay awards (other than again stated levels) that reduces profit.
Or even more courageously, be forced to demonstrate infrastructure improvements and modernisation that in itself creates more job opportunities.
I’m in the wrong job
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We've got one of the most complex tax books in the world, loophole here, avoidance scheme over there. I'm sure we have the accountants and managers to create a workable, equitable system.
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People like Dyson, Jim Ratcliffe and that Pimlico Plumbers owner are quick to avoid paying Into the exchequer but moan about the state of the country before jumping ship.
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The top 1% pay 29% of all income tax
The top 10% pay 60% of all income tax
And that’s before they pay even more through luxury purchases, VAT, travel, council tax, stamp duty etc etc.
Trying to set what’s fair I think should be more about closing loopholes than simply taxing more
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is no excuse for individuala, including members of.the previous gov (Rees Mogg for example), or companies offshoring their wealth/profits to avoid paying what they should.
I doubt the likes of Ratcliffe, Dyson et al or Apple, Starbucks etc are included in the figures you mentioned. They pay as little as possible.
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Practically everyone avoids paying tax they are not legally obliged to pay. To think otherwise is fanciful.
And those individuals paying any tax into our economy are included. How could they not be?
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Those with the money and resources avoid tax, that's not practically everyone. Stop making excuses for them.
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Dearie me
Who’s making excuses? I’m stating simple facts.
Do you pay more tax than you have to? And even if (with due respect) you earned their kind of money; would you volunteer to pay more tax when legally you wouldn’t have to?
posted on 19/9/24
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It upsets me that the wurld allough bad peepul too thrive n becumb rich n powerful n famus
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He’s another R.Kelly, I bet there’s a lot of other pop stars like him who’s dirty laundry will get aired over the years too.
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Not just pop stars. They have sheet on everybody. Look how complete and encompassing Diddy's case is.
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I read about his house on Long Island. Cameras in all the bedrooms? Maybe the big Diddy was trying to blackmail some of his guests?
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Blackmailing people for whom? Can't be for himself as he's very rich, no?
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Okay. He doesn't need more money? That may be, but he definitely wants more. Maybe he wants power and influence. WTF? 😂 Maybe he's just a dyk.
posted on 19/9/24
Tax avoiders are leeches, parasites that want all the benefits of infrastructure and educated workforces without paying their share.
The revolution the extreme, libertarian right are craving would end up with them against a wall.
posted on 19/9/24
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Thinking about this however, maybe a measure he put in place that profits over a stated level should see refunding of subsidy in proportion? Not sure how we could do it, but that would seem fair.
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Or specific lower tariffs for the fix income pensioners and the U.S. receiving low paid. Social safety nets are just being exploited and this tax purse dipping has been ignored by successive gifts.
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I just think that would be a managerial nightmare to control, especially with the ‘regulatory” of Force Majeure events in these times.
Perhaps expand the “rebate” of public subsidies which can then be redistributed to those who have likely already been means tested for credits or the like? Maybe even require the companies to rebate customers directly and put the onus on them.
With this though, there would have to be additional ,ensure to ensure there is no dredging of dividends or pay awards (other than again stated levels) that reduces profit.
Or even more courageously, be forced to demonstrate infrastructure improvements and modernisation that in itself creates more job opportunities.
I’m in the wrong job
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We've got one of the most complex tax books in the world, loophole here, avoidance scheme over there. I'm sure we have the accountants and managers to create a workable, equitable system.
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People like Dyson, Jim Ratcliffe and that Pimlico Plumbers owner are quick to avoid paying Into the exchequer but moan about the state of the country before jumping ship.
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The top 1% pay 29% of all income tax
The top 10% pay 60% of all income tax
And that’s before they pay even more through luxury purchases, VAT, travel, council tax, stamp duty etc etc.
Trying to set what’s fair I think should be more about closing loopholes than simply taxing more
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This is no excuse for individuala, including members of.the previous gov (Rees Mogg for example), or companies offshoring their wealth/profits to avoid paying what they should.
I doubt the likes of Ratcliffe, Dyson et al or Apple, Starbucks etc are included in the figures you mentioned. They pay as little as possible.
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Practically everyone avoids paying tax they are not legally obliged to pay. To think otherwise is fanciful.
And those individuals paying any tax into our economy are included. How could they not be?
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Those with the money and resources avoid tax, that's not practically everyone. Stop making excuses for them.
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Dearie me
Who’s making excuses? I’m stating simple facts.
Do you pay more tax than you have to? And even if (with due respect) you earned their kind of money; would you volunteer to pay more tax when legally you wouldn’t have to?
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"Who's making excuses" following "practically everyone avoids paying tax"
Dyson et al are avoiding paying more than they have to. Behave Ginge they're avoiding paying what they should be paying using a loophole not available to the rest of us. Didn't think you were this niave.
posted on 19/9/24
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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Thinking about this however, maybe a measure he put in place that profits over a stated level should see refunding of subsidy in proportion? Not sure how we could do it, but that would seem fair.
.........
Or specific lower tariffs for the fix income pensioners and the U.S. receiving low paid. Social safety nets are just being exploited and this tax purse dipping has been ignored by successive gifts.
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I just think that would be a managerial nightmare to control, especially with the ‘regulatory” of Force Majeure events in these times.
Perhaps expand the “rebate” of public subsidies which can then be redistributed to those who have likely already been means tested for credits or the like? Maybe even require the companies to rebate customers directly and put the onus on them.
With this though, there would have to be additional ,ensure to ensure there is no dredging of dividends or pay awards (other than again stated levels) that reduces profit.
Or even more courageously, be forced to demonstrate infrastructure improvements and modernisation that in itself creates more job opportunities.
I’m in the wrong job
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We've got one of the most complex tax books in the world, loophole here, avoidance scheme over there. I'm sure we have the accountants and managers to create a workable, equitable system.
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People like Dyson, Jim Ratcliffe and that Pimlico Plumbers owner are quick to avoid paying Into the exchequer but moan about the state of the country before jumping ship.
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The top 1% pay 29% of all income tax
The top 10% pay 60% of all income tax
And that’s before they pay even more through luxury purchases, VAT, travel, council tax, stamp duty etc etc.
Trying to set what’s fair I think should be more about closing loopholes than simply taxing more
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This is no excuse for individuala, including members of.the previous gov (Rees Mogg for example), or companies offshoring their wealth/profits to avoid paying what they should.
I doubt the likes of Ratcliffe, Dyson et al or Apple, Starbucks etc are included in the figures you mentioned. They pay as little as possible.
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Practically everyone avoids paying tax they are not legally obliged to pay. To think otherwise is fanciful.
And those individuals paying any tax into our economy are included. How could they not be?
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Those with the money and resources avoid tax, that's not practically everyone. Stop making excuses for them.
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Dearie me
Who’s making excuses? I’m stating simple facts.
Do you pay more tax than you have to? And even if (with due respect) you earned their kind of money; would you volunteer to pay more tax when legally you wouldn’t have to?
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"Who's making excuses" following "practically everyone avoids paying tax"
Dyson et al are avoiding paying more than they have to. Behave Ginge they're avoiding paying what they should be paying using a loophole not available to the rest of us. Didn't think you were this niave.
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How do you equate acting legally and acknowledging it with “making excuses”? That just doesn’t make sense.
And as for avoiding more than paying more than they ought to suggests breaking some law which clearly they don’t.
Those loopholes are available to anyone who has the means to use them and by their nature don’t include many eligible organisations or individuals.
There are many legal means that allows people to avoid tax and anyone can deem them acceptable to their standards or not as they so choose. Still nothing illegal about them. That’s just a fact and not an excuse.
Close loopholes by all means. I’ve certainly no issue with it and if it means me paying more tax then so be it. Not overly fussed to be honest.
Where do you stand with “loopholes” like ISA’s, R&D costs, gifting, trust funds and many many more ways of not paying tax on income as a matter of interest? Genuine question.
posted on 19/9/24
There are many legal means that allows people to avoid tax and anyone can deem them acceptable to their standards or not as they so choose. Still nothing illegal about them. That’s just a fact and not an excuse.
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Wait, what happened to patriotism, morality, ethics and building the country?
Isn't that why you defended Brexit and the Tories on here for years?
posted on 19/9/24
comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Rape allegations coming out against Al Fayed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo
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Billionaire in acting-on-sadistic-whims-with-complete-impunity shocker.
posted on 19/9/24
Ginge
"How do you equate acting legally and acknowledging it with “making excuses”? That just doesn’t make sense."
Saying practically everyone does it is the definition of an excuse.
If it wasn't wrong (never said illegal) why would individuals and corporations go to such lengths to hide their wealth offshore? Its not because they're paying their faot share.
"Those loopholes are available to anyone"
No they're not, how many offshore accounts have you got then?
Funny how those avoiding tax are the same tub thumping patriots who say they care about the state of the country. Do they fack.
posted on 19/9/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
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comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Rape allegations coming out against Al Fayed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo
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Billionaire in acting-on-sadistic-whims-with-complete-impunity shocker.
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I wish these allegations came out when he was actually alive so he could’ve rotted in prison during his final days
posted on 19/9/24
comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Rape allegations coming out against Al Fayed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo
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Billionaire in acting-on-sadistic-whims-with-complete-impunity shocker.
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I wish these allegations came out when he was actually alive so he could’ve rotted in prison during his final days
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Mate, billionaires only ever go to prison when they’ve been caught stealing from other billionaires.
posted on 19/9/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
Ginge
"How do you equate acting legally and acknowledging it with “making excuses”? That just doesn’t make sense."
Saying practically everyone does it is the definition of an excuse.
If it wasn't wrong (never said illegal) why would individuals and corporations go to such lengths to hide their wealth offshore? Its not because they're paying their faot share.
"Those loopholes are available to anyone"
No they're not, how many offshore accounts have you got then?
Funny how those avoiding tax are the same tub thumping patriots who say they care about the state of the country. Do they fack.
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I’m genuinely not making excuses. I’m saying that these organisations are making the most of perfectly legal means to maximise profits and reduce taxation. It happens and most companies can do it will. I don’t know of any who voluntarily don’t. Like their results; they will only publish what is legally required.
As for my accounts, I’m afraid they are not up for discussion. I’m sure you’ll understand that. I mean that loopholes available to anyone who is able to use them. That doesn’t mean every single individual.
On your last point I think you are referring to a few high net worth individuals who spout forth. They do it because they feel they have a political point to make, or maybe they just like the press of telling all and sundry how wealthy they are. I don’t know. I tend to find it quite vulgar.
Large organisations tend to keep quiet for obvious reasons.
Hope that makes sense.
posted on 19/9/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
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comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
Rape allegations coming out against Al Fayed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo
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Billionaire in acting-on-sadistic-whims-with-complete-impunity shocker.
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I wish these allegations came out when he was actually alive so he could’ve rotted in prison during his final days
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Mate, billionaires only ever go to prison when they’ve been caught stealing from other billionaires.
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“When a chap needs a loan from another chap……”
Yes Minister
posted on 19/9/24
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2022/07/apples-uk-retail-tax/
Well if it's not illegal, everyone does it, they don't, and it's available to everyone, it's not then £800,000 tax on profits made in the UK of £32m is okay in Ginge's opinion.
posted on 19/9/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2022/07/apples-uk-retail-tax/
Well if it's not illegal, everyone does it, they don't, and it's available to everyone, it's not then £800,000 tax on profits made in the UK of £32m is okay in Ginge's opinion.
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Hmmm. Now where did I say that again?
Oh yeah. Nowhere.
Which bit of “close loopholes off by all means” bypassed this discussion?
I have no issues with having discussions or debates on any subject; but when faced with deliberate false misinterpretations or just made up nonsense, then what’s the point?
posted on 19/9/24
*Should* be big news:
UN General Assembly widely supports a Palestinian resolution demanding Israel end its occupation
‘UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. General Assembly strongly supported a nonbinding Palestinian resolution Wednesday demanding that Israel end its “unlawful presence” in Gaza and the occupied West Bank within a year.
The vote in the 193-member world body was 124-14, with 43 abstentions. Among those in opposition was the United States, Israel’s closest ally…
Riyad Mansour, the Palestinian U.N. ambassador, called the vote a turning point “in our struggle for freedom and justice.”
“It sends a clear message that Israel’s occupation must end as soon as possible and that the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination must be realized,” he said...
While the resolution is not legally binding, the extent of its support reflects world opinion. There are no vetoes in the General Assembly, unlike in the 15-member Security Council.
The resolution also demands the withdrawal of all Israeli forces and the evacuation of settlers from the occupied Palestinian territories “without delay.” And it urges countries to impose sanctions on those responsible for maintaining Israel’s presence in the territories and halt arms exports to Israel if they’re suspected of being used there.
In addition, the resolution calls for Israel to pay reparations to Palestinians for the damage caused by its occupation and urges countries to take steps to prevent trade or investments that maintain Israel’s presence in the territories.‘
https://apnews.com/article/un-israel-palestinians-assembly-vote-gaza-a0136b26cad52070e79628639edbec2c
posted on 19/9/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 6 minutes ago
https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2022/07/apples-uk-retail-tax/
Well if it's not illegal, everyone does it, they don't, and it's available to everyone, it's not then £800,000 tax on profits made in the UK of £32m is okay in Ginge's opinion.
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Hmmm. Now where did I say that again?
Oh yeah. Nowhere.
Which bit of “close loopholes off by all means” bypassed this discussion?
I have no issues with having discussions or debates on any subject; but when faced with deliberate false misinterpretations or just made up nonsense, then what’s the point?
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Those 3 things are excuses you've given. You also claimed that
". I’m saying that these organisations are making the most of perfectly legal means to maximise profits and reduce taxation. It happens and most companies can do it will. I don’t know of any who voluntarily don’t. Like their results; they will only publish what is legally required."
Most companies base their finances offshore to avoid tax? I'd like to see proof of this.
I haven't misinterpreted anything you've said. You say close all loopholes but it sounds weak given the numerous excuses you've given to mitigate why it happens. It may not be illegal but that doesn't make of right, most people don't do it, and it's only available to those with wealth not your average worker.
posted on 19/9/24
Private eye podcast, talking about lords reform. One contributor said there is a female member called Lady Garden...surely not...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Garden,_Baroness_Garden_of_Frognal
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