comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 23 minutes ago
We’ve also seen the weakness of democracy. In a world where stupid people outnumber intelligent ones then they’re ripe for the taking by those ruthless enough to buy social media sites or take Russian money like Dave Rubin and Lauren Chen to help brainwash the easily gullible. I can’t see that changing anytime soon as dumb people are notoriously stubborn when admitting they were hoodwinked.

When the price of eggs and other foods go up under Trump I wonder who they’ll be told to blame
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Calling people stupid because they didn't vote how you wanted them too.

Maybe you're the problem

I wouldn't exactly call every Trump voter stupid, a lot would have voted for self interest, but I have already seen some examples of pure stupidity online (which you could also find for Dem voters I'm sure).

One particular example is a guy who voted Trump because he was worried about inflation, when his mom is an undocumented migrant. It seemingly hasn't occurred to him that when Trump says he's going to clamp down on and report undocumented migrants, his mom is exactly who he's talking about.

comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted about a minute ago
We’ve also seen the weakness of democracy. In a world where stupid people outnumber intelligent ones then they’re ripe for the taking by those ruthless enough to buy social media sites or take Russian money like Dave Rubin and Lauren Chen to help brainwash the easily gullible. I can’t see that changing anytime soon as dumb people are notoriously stubborn when admitting they were hoodwinked.

When the price of eggs and other foods go up under Trump I wonder who they’ll be told to blame
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I think we're long part the stage of smugly and dismissively calling other people stupid.

Others can fairly argue that what's stupid is to try the same thing over and over and expect different results.

Regardless of what the people might hear or learn through old newsreels and history books, the discourse of the modern far right is different to what most people have heard from other politicians in their lifetimes.

To many, its hate speech and discriminatory views might be repugnant, but it's clear that some gradually become desensitised and are increasingly drawn by the appeal to some of traditionally-held values in terms of security, family, and group identity.

By and large, the left has failed and continues to fail, to connect with many of people's core emotions outside of those related to justice and compassion. It's obviously not enough.
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Can you explain what is this historical far right discourse that isn't based on old newsreels or books is? If it's just made up nonsense to suit an agenda which convinces a person, wouldn't that then make that person stupid?

I don't really see the presidential election as anything other than a gameshow tbh, to a lot of Americans, they voted for Trump because he was more entertaining to watch.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 1 minute ago
I wouldn't exactly call every Trump voter stupid, a lot would have voted for self interest, but I have already seen some examples of pure stupidity online (which you could also find for Dem voters I'm sure).

One particular example is a guy who voted Trump because he was worried about inflation, when his mom is an undocumented migrant. It seemingly hasn't occurred to him that when Trump says he's going to clamp down on and report undocumented migrants, his mom is exactly who he's talking about.
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All of those expat Brits living in Spain who got booted out of the country after Brexit spring to mind

I still wake up and laugh at those people’s fortunes every single day of my life.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted less than a minute ago
I don't really see the presidential election as anything other than a gameshow tbh, to a lot of Americans, they voted for Trump because he was more entertaining to watch.
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It’s been like the X factor for years. Candidates are more concerned with celebrity endorsements than actually doing what the job entails.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't really see the presidential election as anything other than a gameshow tbh, to a lot of Americans, they voted for Trump because he was more entertaining to watch.
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This..the whole of America just seems like a ongoing TV show imo...

Already people on the right are talking about project 2025 being a reality. Maybe Trump was telling the truth when he says he’s not all about P25 but in a sneaky way. In that when he steps down to let Vance be President and then he begins the dismantling of rights technically he can say ‘it wasn’t me’.

As Mehdi Hassan said today - ‘congratulations on our two new co-presidents, Elon Musk and Peter Thiel’.

Two apartheid era South African/Germans who are part of the oligarchy of American politics.

Foot and Corbyn and Benn turned The Struggle of socialism from a working class lifestyle based on dignity social justice and peace into a middle class pastime where university educated chatterers would have breakfast meetings discussung the books they had read about Trotsky Lenin and Co. Before they faced their own very financially lucrative working day.

It is now "virtually certain" that 2024 - a year punctuated by intense heatwaves and deadly storms - will be the world's warmest on record, according to projections by the European climate service.

Global average temperatures across the year are on track to end up more than 1.5C above pre-industrial levels, which would make 2024 the first calendar year to breach this symbolic mark.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1dpnxnvv2go

Great news the free world just elected a climate denier isn’t it

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted about a minute ago
We’ve also seen the weakness of democracy. In a world where stupid people outnumber intelligent ones then they’re ripe for the taking by those ruthless enough to buy social media sites or take Russian money like Dave Rubin and Lauren Chen to help brainwash the easily gullible. I can’t see that changing anytime soon as dumb people are notoriously stubborn when admitting they were hoodwinked.

When the price of eggs and other foods go up under Trump I wonder who they’ll be told to blame
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I think we're long part the stage of smugly and dismissively calling other people stupid.

Others can fairly argue that what's stupid is to try the same thing over and over and expect different results.

Regardless of what the people might hear or learn through old newsreels and history books, the discourse of the modern far right is different to what most people have heard from other politicians in their lifetimes.

To many, its hate speech and discriminatory views might be repugnant, but it's clear that some gradually become desensitised and are increasingly drawn by the appeal to some of traditionally-held values in terms of security, family, and group identity.

By and large, the left has failed and continues to fail, to connect with many of people's core emotions outside of those related to justice and compassion. It's obviously not enough.
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Can you explain what is this historical far right discourse that isn't based on old newsreels or books is? If it's just made up nonsense to suit an agenda which convinces a person, wouldn't that then make that person stupid?


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Hi Hector. Part of it is already up their: traditionally-held values in terms of security, family, and group identity.

Perhaps it's imprecise to term it "different to what most people have heard from other politicians in their lifetimes," since these are all pretty canonical right-wing issues, but the current far right has placed a much heavier emphasis on them and have found an audience that is more than willing to listen.

Whether you agree with them or not, they are powerful drivers.

NEW: Guardian staff have been offered free counselling and support following the ‘very upsetting’ US election result

It was a terrible result but this made me chuckle🤣

comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 5 minutes ago
NEW: Guardian staff have been offered free counselling and support following the ‘very upsetting’ US election result

It was a terrible result but this made me chuckle🤣
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are you serious

comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 14 minutes ago
NEW: Guardian staff have been offered free counselling and support following the ‘very upsetting’ US election result

It was a terrible result but this made me chuckle🤣
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Honestly the Guardian work culture is such a mess

The left are also handicapped by having a collectivist ideology, in a society that is rabidly individualist, and a media landscape that is able to tap into the latter on a scale that the left cannot compete with.

comment by Pranky 23/24 LFC Draft Champ (U22336)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 5 minutes ago
NEW: Guardian staff have been offered free counselling and support following the ‘very upsetting’ US election result

It was a terrible result but this made me chuckle🤣
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are you serious
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Some of them might actually need it. It's my go-to news source, but some of its agendas are incredibly tiresome and some of its writers are unbearably full of themselves.

comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 14 minutes ago
NEW: Guardian staff have been offered free counselling and support following the ‘very upsetting’ US election result

It was a terrible result but this made me chuckle🤣
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Honestly the Guardian work culture is such a mess
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Talking of middle class university educated liberal chatterers.

My eyes have been open to the naive assumptions I had of minorities. That they being minorities would want to help other minorities but this election specifically has taught me that many of them are very much ‘pull the ladder up once they’ve made it’ types. Watching a Latino online saying his parents came from Cuba and the second they got settled in Miami they were very much anti ‘more Latinos’ coming into the country.

And that kind of ‘I’m alright jack’ mentality was an assumption the Democrats had thinking minorities would help. We see here in Australia come indigenous people act in the worst interests of their people by becoming right wingers - re Jacinta Price and in England the many Tory examples.

So yeah, I think the worst thing you can call some people is a minority as what they really want is to be accepted in their new country even if it means acting in the interest of those they most have kinship with

Matt Frei, "One person not with Donald Trump last night was his nephew Fred Trump.. He voted for Kamala Harris"

Fred Trump, "He and I have had big time differences.. Namely when he said my son should just die because he has disabilities"

Matt Frei, "He actually said that?"

Fred Trump, "He said that"

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1854279877253308420?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw

Christ

Interest rates cut to 4.75%
published at 12:00
12:00
BREAKING
The Bank of England has cut interest rates for the second time this year.
It has set the rate at 4.75%, down 0.25 percentage points from 5%.
Today’s decision means rates are now at their lowest point in more than year. The last time rates were below 5% was last June., external
This decision could lead to cheaper borrowing costs for things like mortgages and loans, but also lower returns on savings.

GET THE FOOOOK IN

Cheshire Police says MP Mike Amesbury has been charged with assault following an incident in Frodsham

Whoops

comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 14 minutes ago
NEW: Guardian staff have been offered free counselling and support following the ‘very upsetting’ US election result

It was a terrible result but this made me chuckle🤣
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Honestly the Guardian work culture is such a mess
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Talking of middle class university educated liberal chatterers.
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But harsh mate, all my qualifications are vocational

comment by Jake Moon (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
Cheshire Police says MP Mike Amesbury has been charged with assault following an incident in Frodsham

Whoops
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One tier policing