liverpool had to throw in big money in other to bring them back to football limelight otherwise they were going to do a leeds united fc.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Ferdinand is in his last year in my opinion, so i can't see him being worth more than 2m. Vidic is getting on also, so I believe 10m is a reasonable price. Smalling was overpriced due to his potential and he certainly has that but if you are talking what he is worth then I believe 8m is correct. Of course if I was the chairman of Liverpool and was offered him for 15m, I would take it based on potential. Nani is nowehere near one of the best wingers in the world. Cleverly still hasn't shown anything yet. He has been decent, nothing great, of course he has a lot of time on his side and looks to be progressing well but if you are talking about what he is worth I think 3m is a good valuation.
I don't think Fergie has did as well as you suggest at bring in players who are later worth more than you paid. He has nearly always taken a loss. The players that perform for him, usually were bought for extreme prices.
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Sorry, but you have just ruined what was a decent debate. You may be right about Rio - I dont think that he has too long left, but this season wont be his last. He is still worth 5m of anyone's money.
Smalling didnt cost 10m up front - his fee could rise to 10m. We have maybe paid 7/8m so far. If you had to buy the lad then you would be looking at 25m now. He is actually better than Rio at the same age, who cost about 18m - and that was over a decade ago.
Of course Nani is one of the best wingers in the world. Only in recent years, but he is now fulfilling his potential and was one of the best players in the PL last season. Name me ten better wingers.
Cleverley would cost at least 12m now. When you consider Rodwell has been valued at 20m then your 3m valuation is ridiculous.
As for the players that have performed costing extreme prices:
Irwin
Schmiechel
Johnson
Ole
Sharp
Kanchelskis
Rafael
Evra
Vidic
Hernandez
Cantona
Keane
Then you have all the ones that have come through the team. He has of course made high value signings, but he has also signed some bargains.
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 6 minutes ago
"I don't think Fergie has did as well as you suggest at bring in players who are later worth more than you paid. He has nearly always taken a loss."
That's because most of the players who's values have increased have stayed at Old Trafford rather than been sold.
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I'll ignore Vidic's usual nonsense, which always has to be an insult on another's opinion and answer yours which actually has your own opinion in it.
Yes, you are correct, a lot of United's players have stayed there and won things, however they are usually the big money signings I was referring to. I believe the players he has bought and then sold, have been sold mostly at a loss. Also players he has bought as what can be considered cheap for Man United, haven't did too well. Of course there have been a lot of exceptions.
comment by Dr Demoski (U8105)
posted 2 minutes ago
liverpool had to throw in big money in other to bring them back to football limelight otherwise they were going to do a leeds united fc.
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So in order to prevent a similar demise to Leeds, which was caused by overspending, they had to spend more money? Dont be silly.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Ferdinand is in his last year in my opinion, so i can't see him being worth more than 2m. Vidic is getting on also, so I believe 10m is a reasonable price. Smalling was overpriced due to his potential and he certainly has that but if you are talking what he is worth then I believe 8m is correct. Of course if I was the chairman of Liverpool and was offered him for 15m, I would take it based on potential. Nani is nowehere near one of the best wingers in the world. Cleverly still hasn't shown anything yet. He has been decent, nothing great, of course he has a lot of time on his side and looks to be progressing well but if you are talking about what he is worth I think 3m is a good valuation.
I don't think Fergie has did as well as you suggest at bring in players who are later worth more than you paid. He has nearly always taken a loss. The players that perform for him, usually were bought for extreme prices.
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Sorry, but you have just ruined what was a decent debate. You may be right about Rio - I dont think that he has too long left, but this season wont be his last. He is still worth 5m of anyone's money.
Smalling didnt cost 10m up front - his fee could rise to 10m. We have maybe paid 7/8m so far. If you had to buy the lad then you would be looking at 25m now. He is actually better than Rio at the same age, who cost about 18m - and that was over a decade ago.
Of course Nani is one of the best wingers in the world. Only in recent years, but he is now fulfilling his potential and was one of the best players in the PL last season. Name me ten better wingers.
Cleverley would cost at least 12m now. When you consider Rodwell has been valued at 20m then your 3m valuation is ridiculous.
As for the players that have performed costing extreme prices:
Irwin
Schmiechel
Johnson
Ole
Sharp
Kanchelskis
Rafael
Evra
Vidic
Hernandez
Cantona
Keane
Then you have all the ones that have come through the team. He has of course made high value signings, but he has also signed some bargains.
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Apart from your Nani and Cleverly points, I completely agree with you, so I don't see how I have ruined a decent debate. Just because somebody doesn't share the same opinion as you doesn't mean the debate is ruined and in fact should make the debate better as you then have points to debate.
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
I think you'll find that with a lot of clubs, players values decrease massively when turning 30, Ruud is a great example, if we sold him a year earlier i reckon we would've got at least out money back. His value decreased due to age, not ability.
To say Ferdinand is only worth £2m is a bit of a joke really, yes he's had his injuries in recent years but when he plays he's still world class, £2M is taking the p!ss.
Would you say Gerrard is only worth £2M.... he's been injured for over 7months (longer than Rio), 31 years old (same as Rio)....
... I'd say at least £10M, (same for Rio!)
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
I believe the players he has bought and then sold, have been sold mostly at a loss
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That is because he has had the best years out of them and then moved them on. Of course there are deals such as Manucho and Djemba Djemba that havent worked out. But there are low risk gables that didnt pay off. Every team has them.
I'd like to see the Premier League top wage earning XI's for each team, and just how much each side is paying out...
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comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
I think you'll find that with a lot of clubs, players values decrease massively when turning 30, Ruud is a great example, if we sold him a year earlier i reckon we would've got at least out money back. His value decreased due to age, not ability.
To say Ferdinand is only worth £2m is a bit of a joke really, yes he's had his injuries in recent years but when he plays he's still world class, £2M is taking the p!ss.
Would you say Gerrard is only worth £2M.... he's been injured for over 7months (longer than Rio), 31 years old (same as Rio)....
... I'd say at least £10M, (same for Rio!)
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Exactly. Stupid comments like that are just designed to wind people up. Totally waste of time. Gerrard is past his best as is Rio. But you would still get 10m for them.
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 11 minutes ago
"I don't think Fergie has did as well as you suggest at bring in players who are later worth more than you paid. He has nearly always taken a loss."
That's because most of the players who's values have increased have stayed at Old Trafford rather than been sold.
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Kinda what I was getting at
I could list player after player who's value went up considerably during their tenure at United
Do people really think Schmeicel's value didn't go up from 500k? Irwin's from 625k? Cantona from a mill? Evra and Vida? Even Rooney's value has probably doubled and do I need to even mention Ronaldo?
And if people think Nani is worth less than Downing then words fail me
Chich will end up worth 4 times what we paid too
Smalling is now a full international yet some think his value has gone down to 8 mill
Biggest joke of all is valuing Cleverley at 3mill
Sorry I meant 10m for Gerrard. Rio would be 5-8m I reckon.
so I don't see how I have ruined a decent debate.
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Because you are either wuming or you are being very stupid.
This comment below pretty much says you are wumming:
I don't think Fergie has did as well as you suggest at bring in players who are later worth more than you paid.
The only way this is not a wum comment is if you actually believe it.
And if you believe it, you are quite possibly the most stupid individula on the planet.
Once again I'll not respond to Vidic's comments, as again he likes to insult people for their opinion. To be honest I thought Ferdinand was 34 not 31, so my valuation was based on that and his injuries. I stand corrected.
Yes I do believe Downing is a better player than Nani but fees paid don't always get you a better player, so that argument is irrelevant.
"Yes I do believe Downing is a better player than Nani"
End of debate, obviously on the WUM!
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 seconds ago
Once again I'll not respond to Vidic's comments, as again he likes to insult people for their opinion. To be honest I thought Ferdinand was 34 not 31, so my valuation was based on that and his injuries. I stand corrected.
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He is actually 32. He will be 33 in November I think. He has a few seasons left, but cant see him ever playing more than 25 league games again. However, that actually suits us with Smalling and Jones at the club.
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 9 seconds ago
"Yes I do believe Downing is a better player than Nani"
End of debate, obviously on the WUM!
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For me that opinion is as crazy as me saying that Carrick is better than Gerrard. Downing is a decent enough player and a good signing, but he isnt even close to Nani.
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 1 minute ago
"Yes I do believe Downing is a better player than Nani"
End of debate, obviously on the WUM!
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No Albert - I don't WUM. I have no interest in it. I stay on my own board, so it is a pretty pointless place to WUM from. I'll not say anymore on that.
When somebody has a different opinion, and people will, especially when fans of rival teams, it doesn't mean they are WUM-ing.
To be fair, claiming that Downing is better than Nani is laughable.
If I said that John O'Shea was better than Messi, I could hide behind the 'opinion' point, but it'd still be ridiculous.
Bebe's better than Suarez.....
....my opinion, i'm not wumming at all
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 6 seconds ago
Bebe's better than Suarez.....
....my opinion, i'm not wumming at all
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Yes because that's exactly the same.
No Albert - I don't WUM.
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Then you really are a complete and utter idiot then.
Downing better than Nani. What ever next, Carroll better than Rooney.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
Once again I'll not respond to Vidic's comments, as again he likes to insult people for their opinion. To be honest I thought Ferdinand was 34 not 31, so my valuation was based on that and his injuries. I stand corrected.
Yes I do believe Downing is a better player than Nani
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Downing does not have anything like the ability of Nani
You may not like him but how is Downing a better player than Nani?
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 25 seconds ago
No Albert - I don't WUM.
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Then you really are a complete and utter idiot then.
Downing better than Nani. What ever next, Carroll better than Rooney.
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Again with the insults. What's your problem son? All very easy with your little head behind a computer screen.
Carroll better than Rooney? Completely different players and at the moment Carroll is nowhere near Rooney. On the otherhand Downing and Nani are quite close with Downing being better, in my opinion.
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posted on 16/9/11
liverpool had to throw in big money in other to bring them back to football limelight otherwise they were going to do a leeds united fc.
posted on 16/9/11
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Ferdinand is in his last year in my opinion, so i can't see him being worth more than 2m. Vidic is getting on also, so I believe 10m is a reasonable price. Smalling was overpriced due to his potential and he certainly has that but if you are talking what he is worth then I believe 8m is correct. Of course if I was the chairman of Liverpool and was offered him for 15m, I would take it based on potential. Nani is nowehere near one of the best wingers in the world. Cleverly still hasn't shown anything yet. He has been decent, nothing great, of course he has a lot of time on his side and looks to be progressing well but if you are talking about what he is worth I think 3m is a good valuation.
I don't think Fergie has did as well as you suggest at bring in players who are later worth more than you paid. He has nearly always taken a loss. The players that perform for him, usually were bought for extreme prices.
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Sorry, but you have just ruined what was a decent debate. You may be right about Rio - I dont think that he has too long left, but this season wont be his last. He is still worth 5m of anyone's money.
Smalling didnt cost 10m up front - his fee could rise to 10m. We have maybe paid 7/8m so far. If you had to buy the lad then you would be looking at 25m now. He is actually better than Rio at the same age, who cost about 18m - and that was over a decade ago.
Of course Nani is one of the best wingers in the world. Only in recent years, but he is now fulfilling his potential and was one of the best players in the PL last season. Name me ten better wingers.
Cleverley would cost at least 12m now. When you consider Rodwell has been valued at 20m then your 3m valuation is ridiculous.
As for the players that have performed costing extreme prices:
Irwin
Schmiechel
Johnson
Ole
Sharp
Kanchelskis
Rafael
Evra
Vidic
Hernandez
Cantona
Keane
Then you have all the ones that have come through the team. He has of course made high value signings, but he has also signed some bargains.
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 6 minutes ago
"I don't think Fergie has did as well as you suggest at bring in players who are later worth more than you paid. He has nearly always taken a loss."
That's because most of the players who's values have increased have stayed at Old Trafford rather than been sold.
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I'll ignore Vidic's usual nonsense, which always has to be an insult on another's opinion and answer yours which actually has your own opinion in it.
Yes, you are correct, a lot of United's players have stayed there and won things, however they are usually the big money signings I was referring to. I believe the players he has bought and then sold, have been sold mostly at a loss. Also players he has bought as what can be considered cheap for Man United, haven't did too well. Of course there have been a lot of exceptions.
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Dr Demoski (U8105)
posted 2 minutes ago
liverpool had to throw in big money in other to bring them back to football limelight otherwise they were going to do a leeds united fc.
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So in order to prevent a similar demise to Leeds, which was caused by overspending, they had to spend more money? Dont be silly.
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
Ferdinand is in his last year in my opinion, so i can't see him being worth more than 2m. Vidic is getting on also, so I believe 10m is a reasonable price. Smalling was overpriced due to his potential and he certainly has that but if you are talking what he is worth then I believe 8m is correct. Of course if I was the chairman of Liverpool and was offered him for 15m, I would take it based on potential. Nani is nowehere near one of the best wingers in the world. Cleverly still hasn't shown anything yet. He has been decent, nothing great, of course he has a lot of time on his side and looks to be progressing well but if you are talking about what he is worth I think 3m is a good valuation.
I don't think Fergie has did as well as you suggest at bring in players who are later worth more than you paid. He has nearly always taken a loss. The players that perform for him, usually were bought for extreme prices.
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Sorry, but you have just ruined what was a decent debate. You may be right about Rio - I dont think that he has too long left, but this season wont be his last. He is still worth 5m of anyone's money.
Smalling didnt cost 10m up front - his fee could rise to 10m. We have maybe paid 7/8m so far. If you had to buy the lad then you would be looking at 25m now. He is actually better than Rio at the same age, who cost about 18m - and that was over a decade ago.
Of course Nani is one of the best wingers in the world. Only in recent years, but he is now fulfilling his potential and was one of the best players in the PL last season. Name me ten better wingers.
Cleverley would cost at least 12m now. When you consider Rodwell has been valued at 20m then your 3m valuation is ridiculous.
As for the players that have performed costing extreme prices:
Irwin
Schmiechel
Johnson
Ole
Sharp
Kanchelskis
Rafael
Evra
Vidic
Hernandez
Cantona
Keane
Then you have all the ones that have come through the team. He has of course made high value signings, but he has also signed some bargains.
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Apart from your Nani and Cleverly points, I completely agree with you, so I don't see how I have ruined a decent debate. Just because somebody doesn't share the same opinion as you doesn't mean the debate is ruined and in fact should make the debate better as you then have points to debate.
posted on 16/9/11
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posted on 16/9/11
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
I think you'll find that with a lot of clubs, players values decrease massively when turning 30, Ruud is a great example, if we sold him a year earlier i reckon we would've got at least out money back. His value decreased due to age, not ability.
To say Ferdinand is only worth £2m is a bit of a joke really, yes he's had his injuries in recent years but when he plays he's still world class, £2M is taking the p!ss.
Would you say Gerrard is only worth £2M.... he's been injured for over 7months (longer than Rio), 31 years old (same as Rio)....
... I'd say at least £10M, (same for Rio!)
posted on 16/9/11
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
I believe the players he has bought and then sold, have been sold mostly at a loss
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That is because he has had the best years out of them and then moved them on. Of course there are deals such as Manucho and Djemba Djemba that havent worked out. But there are low risk gables that didnt pay off. Every team has them.
posted on 16/9/11
I'd like to see the Premier League top wage earning XI's for each team, and just how much each side is paying out...
posted on 16/9/11
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posted on 16/9/11
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
I think you'll find that with a lot of clubs, players values decrease massively when turning 30, Ruud is a great example, if we sold him a year earlier i reckon we would've got at least out money back. His value decreased due to age, not ability.
To say Ferdinand is only worth £2m is a bit of a joke really, yes he's had his injuries in recent years but when he plays he's still world class, £2M is taking the p!ss.
Would you say Gerrard is only worth £2M.... he's been injured for over 7months (longer than Rio), 31 years old (same as Rio)....
... I'd say at least £10M, (same for Rio!)
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Exactly. Stupid comments like that are just designed to wind people up. Totally waste of time. Gerrard is past his best as is Rio. But you would still get 10m for them.
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 11 minutes ago
"I don't think Fergie has did as well as you suggest at bring in players who are later worth more than you paid. He has nearly always taken a loss."
That's because most of the players who's values have increased have stayed at Old Trafford rather than been sold.
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Kinda what I was getting at
I could list player after player who's value went up considerably during their tenure at United
Do people really think Schmeicel's value didn't go up from 500k? Irwin's from 625k? Cantona from a mill? Evra and Vida? Even Rooney's value has probably doubled and do I need to even mention Ronaldo?
And if people think Nani is worth less than Downing then words fail me
Chich will end up worth 4 times what we paid too
Smalling is now a full international yet some think his value has gone down to 8 mill
Biggest joke of all is valuing Cleverley at 3mill
posted on 16/9/11
Sorry I meant 10m for Gerrard. Rio would be 5-8m I reckon.
posted on 16/9/11
so I don't see how I have ruined a decent debate.
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Because you are either wuming or you are being very stupid.
This comment below pretty much says you are wumming:
I don't think Fergie has did as well as you suggest at bring in players who are later worth more than you paid.
The only way this is not a wum comment is if you actually believe it.
And if you believe it, you are quite possibly the most stupid individula on the planet.
posted on 16/9/11
Once again I'll not respond to Vidic's comments, as again he likes to insult people for their opinion. To be honest I thought Ferdinand was 34 not 31, so my valuation was based on that and his injuries. I stand corrected.
Yes I do believe Downing is a better player than Nani but fees paid don't always get you a better player, so that argument is irrelevant.
posted on 16/9/11
"Yes I do believe Downing is a better player than Nani"
End of debate, obviously on the WUM!
posted on 16/9/11
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 11 seconds ago
Once again I'll not respond to Vidic's comments, as again he likes to insult people for their opinion. To be honest I thought Ferdinand was 34 not 31, so my valuation was based on that and his injuries. I stand corrected.
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He is actually 32. He will be 33 in November I think. He has a few seasons left, but cant see him ever playing more than 25 league games again. However, that actually suits us with Smalling and Jones at the club.
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 9 seconds ago
"Yes I do believe Downing is a better player than Nani"
End of debate, obviously on the WUM!
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For me that opinion is as crazy as me saying that Carrick is better than Gerrard. Downing is a decent enough player and a good signing, but he isnt even close to Nani.
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 1 minute ago
"Yes I do believe Downing is a better player than Nani"
End of debate, obviously on the WUM!
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No Albert - I don't WUM. I have no interest in it. I stay on my own board, so it is a pretty pointless place to WUM from. I'll not say anymore on that.
When somebody has a different opinion, and people will, especially when fans of rival teams, it doesn't mean they are WUM-ing.
posted on 16/9/11
To be fair, claiming that Downing is better than Nani is laughable.
If I said that John O'Shea was better than Messi, I could hide behind the 'opinion' point, but it'd still be ridiculous.
posted on 16/9/11
Bebe's better than Suarez.....
....my opinion, i'm not wumming at all
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 6 seconds ago
Bebe's better than Suarez.....
....my opinion, i'm not wumming at all
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Yes because that's exactly the same.
posted on 16/9/11
No Albert - I don't WUM.
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Then you really are a complete and utter idiot then.
Downing better than Nani. What ever next, Carroll better than Rooney.
posted on 16/9/11
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 7 minutes ago
Once again I'll not respond to Vidic's comments, as again he likes to insult people for their opinion. To be honest I thought Ferdinand was 34 not 31, so my valuation was based on that and his injuries. I stand corrected.
Yes I do believe Downing is a better player than Nani
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Downing does not have anything like the ability of Nani
You may not like him but how is Downing a better player than Nani?
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 25 seconds ago
No Albert - I don't WUM.
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Then you really are a complete and utter idiot then.
Downing better than Nani. What ever next, Carroll better than Rooney.
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Again with the insults. What's your problem son? All very easy with your little head behind a computer screen.
Carroll better than Rooney? Completely different players and at the moment Carroll is nowhere near Rooney. On the otherhand Downing and Nani are quite close with Downing being better, in my opinion.
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