comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 6 seconds ago
Bebe's better than Suarez.....
....my opinion, i'm not wumming at all
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Yes because that's exactly the same
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Correct, it is exactly the same, i followed your crazy and uninformed comment with an equally crazy and uninformed comment
"What's your problem son?"
Son oh no! Its not... is it? Surely not?
The only person to use 'son' on an internet forum... no wonder he thinks Downing is better than Nani
Downing and Nani are quite close with Downing being better, in my opinion.
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Please tell me you are joking?
Downing can play on the left & right effectively.
Nani cant
Yes but nani on the right is about five times the player downing is even with his ability to switch flanks.
Not really. He is very stingy and wasteful at the same time
comment by Leiva la vida Lucas (U2720)
posted 35 seconds ago
Downing can play on the left & right effectively.
Nani cant
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I guess that means Downing is better than Ryan Giggs was in his prime then?
comment by Leiva la vida Lucas (U2720)
posted 36 seconds ago
Not really. He is very stingy and wasteful at the same time
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Put it this way. If you were to swap Downing for Nani with Utd. Would you be upset?
Downing better than Nani
Don't you love Friday afternoon joke threads?
I think he's on the WUM. We've all fell for it lads
comment by Mr Chelsea (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
I think he's on the WUM. We've all fell for it lads
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i don't think he is wumming.
It seems he actually thinks Downing is better
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 6 seconds ago
Bebe's better than Suarez.....
....my opinion, i'm not wumming at all
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Yes because that's exactly the same
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Correct, it is exactly the same, i followed your crazy and uninformed comment with an equally crazy and uninformed comment
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Nani had 31 starts - 2668 minutes in the Premier League last season. He managed 9 goals which is 296 minutes to a goal. He had 39 shots on target and 63 off target. Shooting accuracy of 38% and a chance conversion of 9%. He had 75 successful crossing out of 294 which is 26% success. He had 14 assists. he created 78 chances including those 14. He had 1042 successful passes out of 1494 which is 70%. He had 81 successful dribbles which is 2.7 successful dribbles per game.
Downing had 38 starts - 3387 minutes. He got 7 goals which is 484 minutes per goal. 26 shots on target, 36 off target at a shooting accuracy of 42% and chance conversion of 11%. 79 out of 324 were successful which is 24%. He had 7 assists and 77 chances created including those 7. 1292 passes out of 1874 were successful at a rate of 69%. He had 28 successful dribbles at 0.7%.
So Nani has shooting - 9 goals - 9% conversion rate and 38% shooting accuracy.
Downing has 7 goals - 11% conversion rate and 42% shooting accuracy.
Nani has 14 assists and 26% crossing accuracy.
Downing has 7 assists and 24% crossing accuracy.
Nani has 70% passing success.
Downing has 69% passing success.
Nani has 2.7 successful dribbles per game.
Downing has 0.7 successful dribbles per game.
So there we have it, both players are very close and one played for a struggling team. So can we move on from this idea that I am on the WUM? I simply believe Downing is a better player than Nani. He is also a better team player.
Give it up, when people have a different opinion, it doesn't mean they are WUM-ing. My opinion is based on what I have seen and the statistics to support it.
Nani has 14 assists
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18 assists
"I simply believe Downing is a better player than Nani."
I agree you're not wumming, but it doesn't change the fact that your opinion is ludicrous.
Nani has been playing a huge part in a title winning side and a side that got to the CL final. Downing played for Villa.
You can hide behind the 'opinion' tag all you like - truth is, sometimes you don't need statistics to prove your point, you just need common sense.
Can movement, runs and positioning be accounted for in statistics? No.
So in simmary
Nani scored more
Assisted more
Created more chances
Had more dribbles
More completed crosses
ll in less minutes.on the pitch
But Downing is better.
all those stats also do not include the fact Nani is way better technically than Downing.
I hope after reading my comment a few of you might be able to take it on board and get an idea of how close these players are to each other. Understand that just because they play for United, doesn't make them better. See others opinions, embrace them, don't insult others because of them.
I'm glad we learned these things today. Classed dismissed.
Nani had more than 14 assists.
I beleive 21. 20 of those in the league.
"Classed dismissed"
Epic fail...
Despite playing nearly 700 minutes less than Downing, Nani is superior in nearly every stat you mentioned above.
Downing is vastly under rated because of those England performances where pretty much everyone played rubbish. Us Boro fans appreciated him and all we heard from Villa fans was that Young was better. They went quiet after they bought him and saw him regularly. Liverpool fans were undecided when he signed from them and now they too are starting to rate him highly. He's not as flashy and I don't think at his peak he's as good as Nani can be, but he's much more consistent. Think Nani is a shade better but it's much closer than some are making out.
Your opinion that nani had 14 assists is factually wrong.
Classed dismissed.
"Understand that just because they play for United, doesn't make them better."
Your right it doesnt automatically make them better if they play for Utd..... however Nani is better than Downing, as Redmacca said -
Nani scored more
Assisted more
Created more chances
Had more dribbles
More completed crosses
ll in less minutes.on the pitch
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If Downing still played for Villa you'd be slaggin him off like all the Liverpool fans were doing before you signed him!
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
I think you closed debate. Downing played for really poor team last season.
Nani had white pele next to him
comment by UnitedRedMacca- I taught Rooney and berbatov the overhead kick (U2024)
posted 16 seconds ago
So in simmary
Nani scored more
Assisted more
Created more chances
Had more dribbles
More completed crosses
ll in less minutes.on the pitch
But Downing is better.
all those stats also do not include the fact Nani is way better technically than Downing.
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Yes, however had Downing been in a better team, his stats would surely have increased. If you look at conversion accuracy etc.
When Nani had Rooney, Berbatov and Hernandez finishing his passes off, obviously there is more assist success.
Also United would have been on the attack more and had more possession compared to a struggling team meaning the attackers have more success.
I didn't say that the stats showed Downing was better than Nani, I said that they were very close and using them and my own opinion, I think Downing is a better player. Can't you people simply accept that in my opinion Downing is a better player?
How did he close the debate, he got his stats wrong
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posted on 16/9/11
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 6 seconds ago
Bebe's better than Suarez.....
....my opinion, i'm not wumming at all
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Yes because that's exactly the same
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Correct, it is exactly the same, i followed your crazy and uninformed comment with an equally crazy and uninformed comment
posted on 16/9/11
"What's your problem son?"
Son oh no! Its not... is it? Surely not?
The only person to use 'son' on an internet forum... no wonder he thinks Downing is better than Nani
posted on 16/9/11
Downing and Nani are quite close with Downing being better, in my opinion.
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Please tell me you are joking?
posted on 16/9/11
Downing can play on the left & right effectively.
Nani cant
posted on 16/9/11
Yes but nani on the right is about five times the player downing is even with his ability to switch flanks.
posted on 16/9/11
Not really. He is very stingy and wasteful at the same time
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Leiva la vida Lucas (U2720)
posted 35 seconds ago
Downing can play on the left & right effectively.
Nani cant
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I guess that means Downing is better than Ryan Giggs was in his prime then?
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Leiva la vida Lucas (U2720)
posted 36 seconds ago
Not really. He is very stingy and wasteful at the same time
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Put it this way. If you were to swap Downing for Nani with Utd. Would you be upset?
posted on 16/9/11
Downing better than Nani
Don't you love Friday afternoon joke threads?
posted on 16/9/11
I think he's on the WUM. We've all fell for it lads
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Mr Chelsea (U3579)
posted 1 minute ago
I think he's on the WUM. We've all fell for it lads
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i don't think he is wumming.
It seems he actually thinks Downing is better
posted on 16/9/11
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Albert Morgan (U1655)
posted 6 seconds ago
Bebe's better than Suarez.....
....my opinion, i'm not wumming at all
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Yes because that's exactly the same
--------------------------
Correct, it is exactly the same, i followed your crazy and uninformed comment with an equally crazy and uninformed comment
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Nani had 31 starts - 2668 minutes in the Premier League last season. He managed 9 goals which is 296 minutes to a goal. He had 39 shots on target and 63 off target. Shooting accuracy of 38% and a chance conversion of 9%. He had 75 successful crossing out of 294 which is 26% success. He had 14 assists. he created 78 chances including those 14. He had 1042 successful passes out of 1494 which is 70%. He had 81 successful dribbles which is 2.7 successful dribbles per game.
Downing had 38 starts - 3387 minutes. He got 7 goals which is 484 minutes per goal. 26 shots on target, 36 off target at a shooting accuracy of 42% and chance conversion of 11%. 79 out of 324 were successful which is 24%. He had 7 assists and 77 chances created including those 7. 1292 passes out of 1874 were successful at a rate of 69%. He had 28 successful dribbles at 0.7%.
So Nani has shooting - 9 goals - 9% conversion rate and 38% shooting accuracy.
Downing has 7 goals - 11% conversion rate and 42% shooting accuracy.
Nani has 14 assists and 26% crossing accuracy.
Downing has 7 assists and 24% crossing accuracy.
Nani has 70% passing success.
Downing has 69% passing success.
Nani has 2.7 successful dribbles per game.
Downing has 0.7 successful dribbles per game.
So there we have it, both players are very close and one played for a struggling team. So can we move on from this idea that I am on the WUM? I simply believe Downing is a better player than Nani. He is also a better team player.
Give it up, when people have a different opinion, it doesn't mean they are WUM-ing. My opinion is based on what I have seen and the statistics to support it.
posted on 16/9/11
Nani has 14 assists
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18 assists
posted on 16/9/11
"I simply believe Downing is a better player than Nani."
I agree you're not wumming, but it doesn't change the fact that your opinion is ludicrous.
Nani has been playing a huge part in a title winning side and a side that got to the CL final. Downing played for Villa.
You can hide behind the 'opinion' tag all you like - truth is, sometimes you don't need statistics to prove your point, you just need common sense.
Can movement, runs and positioning be accounted for in statistics? No.
posted on 16/9/11
So in simmary
Nani scored more
Assisted more
Created more chances
Had more dribbles
More completed crosses
ll in less minutes.on the pitch
But Downing is better.
all those stats also do not include the fact Nani is way better technically than Downing.
posted on 16/9/11
I hope after reading my comment a few of you might be able to take it on board and get an idea of how close these players are to each other. Understand that just because they play for United, doesn't make them better. See others opinions, embrace them, don't insult others because of them.
I'm glad we learned these things today. Classed dismissed.
posted on 16/9/11
Nani had more than 14 assists.
I beleive 21. 20 of those in the league.
posted on 16/9/11
"Classed dismissed"
Epic fail...
posted on 16/9/11
Despite playing nearly 700 minutes less than Downing, Nani is superior in nearly every stat you mentioned above.
posted on 16/9/11
Downing is vastly under rated because of those England performances where pretty much everyone played rubbish. Us Boro fans appreciated him and all we heard from Villa fans was that Young was better. They went quiet after they bought him and saw him regularly. Liverpool fans were undecided when he signed from them and now they too are starting to rate him highly. He's not as flashy and I don't think at his peak he's as good as Nani can be, but he's much more consistent. Think Nani is a shade better but it's much closer than some are making out.
posted on 16/9/11
Your opinion that nani had 14 assists is factually wrong.
Classed dismissed.
posted on 16/9/11
"Understand that just because they play for United, doesn't make them better."
Your right it doesnt automatically make them better if they play for Utd..... however Nani is better than Downing, as Redmacca said -
Nani scored more
Assisted more
Created more chances
Had more dribbles
More completed crosses
ll in less minutes.on the pitch
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If Downing still played for Villa you'd be slaggin him off like all the Liverpool fans were doing before you signed him!
posted on 16/9/11
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
I think you closed debate. Downing played for really poor team last season.
Nani had white pele next to him
posted on 16/9/11
comment by UnitedRedMacca- I taught Rooney and berbatov the overhead kick (U2024)
posted 16 seconds ago
So in simmary
Nani scored more
Assisted more
Created more chances
Had more dribbles
More completed crosses
ll in less minutes.on the pitch
But Downing is better.
all those stats also do not include the fact Nani is way better technically than Downing.
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Yes, however had Downing been in a better team, his stats would surely have increased. If you look at conversion accuracy etc.
When Nani had Rooney, Berbatov and Hernandez finishing his passes off, obviously there is more assist success.
Also United would have been on the attack more and had more possession compared to a struggling team meaning the attackers have more success.
I didn't say that the stats showed Downing was better than Nani, I said that they were very close and using them and my own opinion, I think Downing is a better player. Can't you people simply accept that in my opinion Downing is a better player?
posted on 16/9/11
How did he close the debate, he got his stats wrong
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