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Hazard is the best player in the world

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posted on 18/9/18

He hasn't been the same since Rudiger basically said in a pre match interview he would mark him out of the game, and went on to do just

posted on 18/9/18

*just that

posted on 18/9/18

comment by No-name (U21614)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 16 minutes ago
Drogba definitely was
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Oh how you've just contradicted yourself

Anelka was outscoring DD and was top scorer in the PL throughout that season, so is goals in forward players not as important all of a sudden?
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Why are always so black and white. Stats aren't everything, but there are times when you just can't ignore them. Salah scored nearly triple the amount of goals Hazard scored last season. You can't just pass off a difference like that. If Hazard scored 5 less goals, maybe you can make excuses, but when Salah scores 40+ and Hazard scores 17, no excuse in the world can explain this.

comment by Bov (U6696)

posted on 18/9/18

Put Salah in a team managed by Jose and let's see how many he would score. Play Hazard at PSG or Barcelona and see the goals he'd score. You just don't get it.
In my day Ally McCoist was a flop at Sunderland and scored bundles in Scotland. Has it sunk in yet.

posted on 18/9/18

comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by No-name (U21614)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 16 minutes ago
Drogba definitely was
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Oh how you've just contradicted yourself

Anelka was outscoring DD and was top scorer in the PL throughout that season, so is goals in forward players not as important all of a sudden?
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Why are always so black and white. Stats aren't everything, but there are times when you just can't ignore them. Salah scored nearly triple the amount of goals Hazard scored last season. You can't just pass off a difference like that. If Hazard scored 5 less goals, maybe you can make excuses, but when Salah scores 40+ and Hazard scores 17, no excuse in the world can explain this.
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You can if you know the slightest thing about football. Batshauyi scores so many more than Giroud, but anyone with an ounce of football knowledge would choose the Frenchman, Mario Gomez scores more than Mandzukic and guess what? Heycknes choose the latter.

You can try and spin it whatever way you like but going by the same logic you use against Hazard, Gerrard was better than Zidane and Darren Bent was better than Bergkamp.

posted on 18/9/18

In my opinion Hazard plays more like a midfielder than like a forward. He sometimes positions himself like a forward, but so much of his play is based around building the tempo from midfield that I would not really compare him to Neymar or Salah.

Watching the game tonight you can clearly see how for instance Neymar always stays forward in attack, looking to run in behind. Even under Sari you can see Eden coming a lot into midfield picking the ball up from Jorginho or Luiz and transitioning in attack.

That being said Eden is definitely not perfect; I would consider his weakness the killer pass and crossing. Compare this to Neymar is often threading through the killer pass.

posted on 18/9/18

comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 4 seconds ago
In my opinion Hazard plays more like a midfielder than like a forward. He sometimes positions himself like a forward, but so much of his play is based around building the tempo from midfield that I would not really compare him to Neymar or Salah.

Watching the game tonight you can clearly see how for instance Neymar always stays forward in attack, looking to run in behind. Even under Sari you can see Eden coming a lot into midfield picking the ball up from Jorginho or Luiz and transitioning in attack.
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Exactly, something Erik and the rest of the "i judge players on goal stats" crew don't understand.

posted on 18/9/18

comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
Everytime I see an article has gone 100/200+ comments Erik's always debating

He's not completely wrong on the Hazard issue. Stats can be misleading but when people want to throw around titles like 'best in the world' they are relevant. With players like Messi & Ronaldo in the game today, a player who takes up the advanced roles Hazard does needs to score more goals to warrant that title immaterial of the players around him or who his manager is, that's just a fact.

The two main arguments advocating Hazard's case to cover up the stats not being at best of the best level also would've applied to Sanchez while he was at Arsenal, and no-one ever refers to him as the best player in the world. Besides Ozil, he was a class above everyone else and Wenger was his manager - not a defensive manager, just an utterly clueless one, much better

The general conscious of Hazard from analysts, pundits and rival fans I find pretty accurate. He's one of the best players in the world but just lacks a few things preventing him from entering into the class of Messi & Ronaldo. He's among players like Suarez, Neymar, Mbappe, Griezmann, etc... in that category below them.
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Yeah I mean, stats just do matter. 10+ years ago, not to much, but now when all the top attackers are scoring around 40 goals a season, you just can't say you're on the same level if you aren't doing the same. Hazard may have the talent and raw footballing abilities to compete with them, but the performance level is just not as good.

Look at Gareth Bale scoring 30 goals for a terrible Tottenham team under AVB. I don't know whether he's a better player than Hazard, but that's a difference in performance level. If Hazard is so great, why can't he do that?

posted on 18/9/18

comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 13 minutes ago
Put Salah in a team managed by Jose and let's see how many he would score. Play Hazard at PSG or Barcelona and see the goals he'd score. You just don't get it.
In my day Ally McCoist was a flop at Sunderland and scored bundles in Scotland. Has it sunk in yet.
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How many goals did Gareth Bale score under AVB? You think Neymar would score 17 goals if he played for Chelsea?

posted on 18/9/18

comment by No-name (U21614)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by No-name (U21614)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 16 minutes ago
Drogba definitely was
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Oh how you've just contradicted yourself

Anelka was outscoring DD and was top scorer in the PL throughout that season, so is goals in forward players not as important all of a sudden?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why are always so black and white. Stats aren't everything, but there are times when you just can't ignore them. Salah scored nearly triple the amount of goals Hazard scored last season. You can't just pass off a difference like that. If Hazard scored 5 less goals, maybe you can make excuses, but when Salah scores 40+ and Hazard scores 17, no excuse in the world can explain this.
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You can if you know the slightest thing about football. Batshauyi scores so many more than Giroud, but anyone with an ounce of football knowledge would choose the Frenchman, Mario Gomez scores more than Mandzukic and guess what? Heycknes choose the latter.

You can try and spin it whatever way you like but going by the same logic you use against Hazard, Gerrard was better than Zidane and Darren Bent was better than Bergkamp.
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Agian, you're so black and white. You can't compare Salah to Darrent Bent or Batshuayi. He's a great player.

posted on 18/9/18

comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
Well David Silva and Hazard play in completely different positions, so I'm not surprised they have completely different stats.
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So let me get this straight. Hazard plays in a completely different to Silva but the same position as Salah and they both play in the same position as Malcolm McDonald, Duncan Ferguson, Bob Latchford Bobby Tambling and Dixie Dean?

Did I get that right?

posted on 18/9/18

No, you didn't. I said that Hazard plays in the same positon on the opposite flank to Salah and they both play in different positions to Silva.

posted on 18/9/18

I could've have drawn you a sketch to make it simple for you to understand, but then remembered.........

posted on 18/9/18

comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
What titles did Hazard deliver?
According to some of you guys, he was pretty much solely responsible for winning the title in 2017.
Think Diego Costa might have something to say about that.🤔
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No completely incorrect - 2014/15!

Get with the picture!

posted on 18/9/18

comment by Erik (U21750)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 40 minutes ago
Everytime I see an article has gone 100/200+ comments Erik's always debating

He's not completely wrong on the Hazard issue. Stats can be misleading but when people want to throw around titles like 'best in the world' they are relevant. With players like Messi & Ronaldo in the game today, a player who takes up the advanced roles Hazard does needs to score more goals to warrant that title immaterial of the players around him or who his manager is, that's just a fact.

The two main arguments advocating Hazard's case to cover up the stats not being at best of the best level also would've applied to Sanchez while he was at Arsenal, and no-one ever refers to him as the best player in the world. Besides Ozil, he was a class above everyone else and Wenger was his manager - not a defensive manager, just an utterly clueless one, much better

The general conscious of Hazard from analysts, pundits and rival fans I find pretty accurate. He's one of the best players in the world but just lacks a few things preventing him from entering into the class of Messi & Ronaldo. He's among players like Suarez, Neymar, Mbappe, Griezmann, etc... in that category below them.
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Yeah I mean, stats just do matter. 10+ years ago, not to much, but now when all the top attackers are scoring around 40 goals a season, you just can't say you're on the same level if you aren't doing the same. Hazard may have the talent and raw footballing abilities to compete with them, but the performance level is just not as good.

Look at Gareth Bale scoring 30 goals for a terrible Tottenham team under AVB. I don't know whether he's a better player than Hazard, but that's a difference in performance level. If Hazard is so great, why can't he do that?
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Yes we get it, you hate Chelsea!!!!!

posted on 18/9/18

comment by No-name (U21614)
posted 6 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 41 seconds ago
Erik is a relentless wum. Really not worth engaging with unless you are bored and have time to waste.
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Starting to think Jlou is one too, if he doesn't respond to my latest counter points that's the 4th time i think on this thread alone he's bottled responding to counter points that blow his theory's out of the water.
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No Jlou isn't a WUM - just doesn't know the square root of sweet FA about Chelsea!




Well he might be a WUM a little bit!

posted on 19/9/18

comment by Broaquin (U16342)
posted 10 hours, 17 minutes ago
In my opinion Hazard plays more like a midfielder than like a forward. He sometimes positions himself like a forward, but so much of his play is based around building the tempo from midfield that I would not really compare him to Neymar or Salah.

Watching the game tonight you can clearly see how for instance Neymar always stays forward in attack, looking to run in behind. Even under Sari you can see Eden coming a lot into midfield picking the ball up from Jorginho or Luiz and transitioning in attack.

That being said Eden is definitely not perfect; I would consider his weakness the killer pass and crossing. Compare this to Neymar is often threading through the killer pass.
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great post

posted on 19/9/18

ffs wahl. why do you not reply to any of my posts? is it becasue you know you are in the wrong?

you constantly have 4 to 5 posters disagreeing with you on every thread you're on, Do you not get sick of being wrong?

comment by Bov (U6696)

posted on 19/9/18

Look at Gareth Bale scoring 30 goals for a terrible Tottenham team under AVB. I don't know whether he's a better player than Hazard, but that's a difference in performance level. If Hazard is so great, why can't he do that?
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You put so much into stats its a only proper you get the info right. After all an inaccurate stat is worthless. Now you show me where Bale got 30 goals for Spurs under AVB or any other season. A breakdown would be preferable showing goals per tournament.
And answer Nick cos until you do you just confirm you're a numbnut

comment by T.J (U15973)

posted on 19/9/18

comment by Bov (U6696)
posted 13 minutes ago
Look at Gareth Bale scoring 30 goals for a terrible Tottenham team under AVB. I don't know whether he's a better player than Hazard, but that's a difference in performance level. If Hazard is so great, why can't he do that?
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You put so much into stats its a only proper you get the info right. After all an inaccurate stat is worthless. Now you show me where Bale got 30 goals for Spurs under AVB or any other season. A breakdown would be preferable showing goals per tournament.
And answer Nick cos until you do you just confirm you're a numbnut

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I think got Bale got 26 in his last season for Spurs in all comps.

posted on 19/9/18

wahl wrong with an opinion? who would have thought.

posted on 19/9/18

Done a quick count of wahl's created articles while I'm printing of a huge document:
The amount of articles by team:

man utd/mou articles

29 (two on pogba and one lukaku being amazing and now he says they are sh!t)

Love island

1

Arsenal

1

Chelsea

6
Liverpool/klopp

4

Man City

1

posted on 19/9/18

He's done 6 on chelsea, nearly the same amount of klopp and liverpool.

And 29 on man utd

And says he's a chelsea fan. 5 x as many articles on another club.

comment by Bov (U6696)

posted on 19/9/18

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
He's done 6 on chelsea, nearly the same amount of klopp and liverpool.

And 29 on man utd

And says he's a chelsea fan. 5 x as many articles on another club.
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comment by Bov (U6696)

posted on 19/9/18

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
He's done 6 on chelsea, nearly the same amount of klopp and liverpool.

And 29 on man utd

And says he's a chelsea fan. 5 x as many articles on another club.
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