Arsenal and Chelsea are pretty close size wise, maybe Arsenal by a nose.

There is a big gap between them and the rest of London

Chelsea, Spurs and West Ham are almost on equal level when it comes to supporting. Having said that, Chelsea have huge following in Africa because of Drogba.

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Put it this way: a big player has a choice to join any club in London. Which are they probably going to go for?

It's quite clearly Chelsea.
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The same as when Sanchez chose United over City. United are the team the players want to play for as we're the bigger club. No one would want to sign for City.
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Having taken the money it would appear that the opposite is actually true..... Pogba, Martial, Sanchez, Lindeloft, Bailey etc all look bl0ddy miserable at United
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So you're saying they'd rather have joined City?
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Yep..... why wouldn't you ? More chance of winning, Playing for a great manager, joining a far better squad & still making a ton of cash.... whats not to like ????

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Chelsea, Spurs and West Ham are almost on equal level when it comes to supporting. Having said that, Chelsea have huge following in Africa because of Drogba.
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Put it this way: a big player has a choice to join any club in London. Which are they probably going to go for?

It's quite clearly Chelsea.
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The same as when Sanchez chose United over City. United are the team the players want to play for as we're the bigger club. No one would want to sign for City.
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Having taken the money it would appear that the opposite is actually true..... Pogba, Martial, Sanchez, Lindeloft, Bailey etc all look bl0ddy miserable at United
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So you're saying they'd rather have joined City?
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Think they'd rather be playing the football City do
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So he is saying that City are a bigger club than United?
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whats with the facination with who's bigger ???? Right now City are a far better club than United from Top to bottom. You really think some 19 hotshot Brazilian that everyone wants to sign cares about SAF, Bobby Charlton & the Busby babes ??? He wants to win, Play for for Pep and get paid a ton of cash

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Despite no glory hunting support and an empty trophy cabinet Spurs had the 2nd highest average Prem attendance last season (even though Arsenal, West Ham and City falsify theirs).
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So a stadiums capacity defines how big a club is?!
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So how many people deem you worth watching isn't important then? Monaco could win the CL 5 times in a row but they still wouldn't be a big club.
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By that logic worldwide fans is a completely useless stat then.

And i'd agree what a load of nonsense it is.
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Whats a worldwide fanbase? Most likes on Facebook?

The thundering leviathan that is Arsenal football club had a real average gate of 46k last season (according to their supporters club) and that shouldn't be ignored.

If Arsenal had the lack of success that Spurs have had in the last 25 years then they couldn't even dream of being as popular as us. As I said earlier when the chips are down you find out who the big dogs are.

In terms of shirt sales

1 United
2 Real
3 Barca
4 Chelsea
5 Bayern
6 Arsenal
7 Juve
8 Liverpool
9 PSg
10 Milan

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Despite no glory hunting support and an empty trophy cabinet Spurs had the 2nd highest average Prem attendance last season (even though Arsenal, West Ham and City falsify theirs).
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So a stadiums capacity defines how big a club is?!
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So how many people deem you worth watching isn't important then? Monaco could win the CL 5 times in a row but they still wouldn't be a big club.
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No idea what you're on about. Monaco are a big club with a rich history of success. They're right up there with PSG, Lyon & Marseille as the biggest clubs in France.

Don't care how big your TEMPORARY stadium is, it's right at the bottom of a long list of factors when judging how big a club is. Just because a club seats 60,000 capacity doesn't make it a bigger club than one that holds 50,000. It's nonsense, tbh.
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Monaco are not a big club. Never have been and never will be.

It's a millionaires plaything that spend most of their time playing in a tiny stadium that's 3/4 empty.
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If you think Monaco are a big club then you should find a new hobby, footballs not for you.

To be fair to Maf, West Ham do have awesome support particularly in London, when they were taking over the home ends

They don't travel in numbers up North though.

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Despite no glory hunting support and an empty trophy cabinet Spurs had the 2nd highest average Prem attendance last season (even though Arsenal, West Ham and City falsify theirs).
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So a stadiums capacity defines how big a club is?!
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So how many people deem you worth watching isn't important then? Monaco could win the CL 5 times in a row but they still wouldn't be a big club.
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By that logic worldwide fans is a completely useless stat then.

And i'd agree what a load of nonsense it is.
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Whats a worldwide fanbase? Most likes on Facebook?

The thundering leviathan that is Arsenal football club had a real average gate of 46k last season (according to their supporters club) and that shouldn't be ignored.

If Arsenal had the lack of success that Spurs have had in the last 25 years then they couldn't even dream of being as popular as us. As I said earlier when the chips are down you find out who the big dogs are.
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Unsure about this. Arsenal would still be a big club even without Wenger and the success since 98

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Despite no glory hunting support and an empty trophy cabinet Spurs had the 2nd highest average Prem attendance last season (even though Arsenal, West Ham and City falsify theirs).
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So a stadiums capacity defines how big a club is?!
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So how many people deem you worth watching isn't important then? Monaco could win the CL 5 times in a row but they still wouldn't be a big club.
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No idea what you're on about. Monaco are a big club with a rich history of success. They're right up there with PSG, Lyon & Marseille as the biggest clubs in France.

Don't care how big your TEMPORARY stadium is, it's right at the bottom of a long list of factors when judging how big a club is. Just because a club seats 60,000 capacity doesn't make it a bigger club than one that holds 50,000. It's nonsense, tbh.
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Monaco are not a big club. Never have been and never will be.

It's a millionaires plaything that spend most of their time playing in a tiny stadium that's 3/4 empty.
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Monaco won plenty of titles before their recent cash hit. They're third on the list of Ligue 1 title wins, behind Marseille (9) and Saint-Etienne (10), and still ahead of PSG (undoubtedly a big club) who have won 5 of their 7 league titles since 2012 with very little before that.

Not saying that's the only measure of a big club, but implying that they've only become a big deal since they became super-rich is a bit wide of the mark. Especially since that is undoubtedly true of PSG, but I don't think anyone would argue that PSG aren't a big club.

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To be fair to Maf, West Ham do have awesome support particularly in London, when they were taking over the home ends

They don't travel in numbers up North though.
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Yes, United fans always point that out.

West Ham brought more than Spurs most seasons to the Bridge (with the obvious exceptions being 79 and the Cup QF)

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We had better European pedigree than Arsenal even when we were "nothing".

So, it's all about pedigree then to call yourself a big club?

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3 Chelsea (New) Nike £60m 2017-2032
4 Bayern Munich Adidas £42.5m 2015-2030
5 Real Madrid Adidas £34m 2012-2020
6 FC Barcelona (Current Deal) Nike £35m 2008-2018
7 Chelsea FC (Current Deal) Adidas £30m 2013-2017
8 Arsenal Puma £30m 2014-2019
9 Liverpool Warrior £25m 2012-2018
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CFC you and I have locked horns many times over attendances and I've always felt that you over play West Hams popularity a bit. Did you read that their average gate was 15k down on what they claimed last season?

On the subject of the biggest club in London some will say trophies, some shirt sales/facebook friends others real attendance. Either way we'll never get a definite answer as its ever changing.

Pawl, what's is your average in a80k stadium?

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Biggest kit deals

1 FC BARCELONA Nike £100m 2018-2028
2 Manchester United Adidas £75m 2015-2025
3 Chelsea (New) Nike £60m 2017-2032
4 Bayern Munich Adidas £42.5m 2015-2030
5 Real Madrid Adidas £34m 2012-2020
6 FC Barcelona (Current Deal) Nike £35m 2008-2018
7 Chelsea FC (Current Deal) Adidas £30m 2013-2017
8 Arsenal Puma £30m 2014-2019
9 Liverpool Warrior £25m 2012-2018
10 Juventus (New) Adidas £20m 2016-2022
11 AC Milan Adidas £19 m 2013-2023
12 PSG LogoNike £19m 2013-2022
13 man city Nike £15 m 2013-2019
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CFC you and I have locked horns many times over attendances and I've always felt that you over play West Hams popularity a bit. Did you read that their average gate was 15k down on what they claimed last season?

On the subject of the biggest club in London some will say trophies, some shirt sales/facebook friends others real attendance. Either way we'll never get a definite answer as its ever changing.
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How about this? In England, Arsenal are a bigger than Chelsea; but globally they are about the same?

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Pawl, what's is your average in a80k stadium?
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I think it is safe to say that Arsenal and Chelsea would get bigger crowds at Wembley than Spurs or West Ham

Chelsea and Spurs have vied for the second place over the years, depending on WHEN historically you look at it would decide who is currently in the ascendancy. There have been times when Spurs have clearly been in front and there have been times when Chelsea have clearly been in front.

Spurs with their new big ground have struck a big blow but Chelsea with their big ground plans and regular big trophy winning habits have also struck big blows, so it all comes down to interpretation, bias and who you support.

Whatever your persuasion is, the one thing on here that neither set of supporters should be disputing is that BOTH are big Clubs.
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Spurs' problem is a lack of worldwide support. They're lucky all the PL's new TV deals have coincided with their past spell in around 30 years, otherwise they'd be no more prominent in an international sense than clubs like Napoli (without the drawing power of one former great player to help that).

If Spurs truly want to enter into the big club discussion they NEED to start producing in the CL, it makes and breaks everything. Teams like City & PSG are still lagging behind us in worldwide reputation simply because we established a CL pedigree 15 years ago, Pool are still hanging onto a diminishing reputation compared to times past because they've made three finals in the last 13 years.

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Chelsea and Spurs have vied for the second place over the years, depending on WHEN historically you look at it would decide who is currently in the ascendancy. There have been times when Spurs have clearly been in front and there have been times when Chelsea have clearly been in front.

Spurs with their new big ground have struck a big blow but Chelsea with their big ground plans and regular big trophy winning habits have also struck big blows, so it all comes down to interpretation, bias and who you support.

Whatever your persuasion is, the one thing on here that neither set of supporters should be disputing is that BOTH are big Clubs.
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Spurs' problem is a lack of worldwide support. They're lucky all the PL's new TV deals have coincided with their past spell in around 30 years, otherwise they'd be no more prominent in an international sense than clubs like Napoli (without the drawing power of one former great player to help that).

If Spurs truly want to enter into the big club discussion they NEED to start producing in the CL, it makes and breaks everything. Teams like City & PSG are still lagging behind us in worldwide reputation simply because we established a CL pedigree 15 years ago, Pool are still hanging onto a diminishing reputation compared to times past because they've made three finals in the last 13 years.
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Yes, despite people knocking AW. 20 years in CL means they are an elite European club despite limited success

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Pawl, what's is your average in a80k stadium?
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I think it is safe to say that Arsenal and Chelsea would get bigger crowds at Wembley than Spurs or West Ham
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Well when you start work on your new stadium we may find out. I don't think anybody can understand what an awful souless hole it is until they have to use it on a regular basis. One of the reasons that Spurs supporters are so angry about the new WHL fiasco is because they can't bear the thought of having to do more games there than expected.

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Pawl, what's is your average in a80k stadium?
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I think it is safe to say that Arsenal and Chelsea would get bigger crowds at Wembley than Spurs or West Ham
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Well when you start work on your new stadium we may find out. I don't think anybody can understand what an awful souless hole it is until they have to use it on a regular basis. One of the reasons that Spurs supporters are so angry about the new WHL fiasco is because they can't bear the thought of having to do more games there than expected.
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We don't need a new stadium. I live 10 mins from the Bridge. Let's keep 42k and invest on commercial development instead

We have fifth biggest sponsorship deal in Europe, behind United real Barca Bayern, and are just ahead of Arsenal

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Pawl, what's is your average in a80k stadium?
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67,953. Premership average 17/18.

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comment by (U21957)
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Pawl, what's is your average in a80k stadium?
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I think it is safe to say that Arsenal and Chelsea would get bigger crowds at Wembley than Spurs or West Ham
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Not sure why you're grouping us with West Ham. It would be Arsenal > Chelsea & Spurs > West Ham if going by attendances at Wembley.