I respect the fact that AVB has gone through the appropriate channels. His team were harshly treated on Sunday with the 2 offside goals. But I'm not sure complaining will do much. Look at Kenny, complaining properly probably did his side no favours against Spurs.
The refs should be allowed to come out and apologise, it shouldn't be down to the managers to try and force the relevant authorities to take the appropriate action through poor performance.
That said, they're only human and both calls we very close ones. I've seen more blatant ones missed. I think Sundays were very hard to call so it's not something the officials should be punished for.
I'm sure it will all even out for Chelsea over the season.
Let's be honest
SAF would be moaning if it was the other way around
Not sure you can really blame the Linesman though, both were marginal and the linesman gave Cole the benefit of the doubt when it could have been a red and a pen
Don't blame AVB for moaning though. SAF would have done in the same situation.
comment by JeremyKyleNation (U1041)
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Chelsea fans should start panicking if Mike Riley comes for a chat with AVB
Albert Morgan
"He still should've been sent off though, dirty little rodent."
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Posting this while your side is spearheadded by a pie key, potato headed, granny 54agg.er is a touch rich mate
But yes, can we stop with the griping, we were the better footballing side on the day (So say the stats), but United got lucky, it was their turn, thats all.
Next time it will be our turn
That was the first penalty decision that has gone our way this season
AVB's complaint is with the 2 offside goals, which there has been decisively little media outcry about
Linesmen are paid to do their job and call offsides - and they got 2 decisions wrong that changed the game. So why aren't Chelsea fans and AVB entitled to be unhappy?
AVB and Chelsea fans are entitled to be unhappy but to say the referees had a poor game is unfair and unnecessary in my opinion – the game was open and chelsea missed countless chances – I don’t think the refereeing had that much of a baring on the game – it wasn’t exactly as if it was a typical united/chelsea game decided by the odd goal
I won’t get into the drogba/macheda etc etc debate as for me its irrelevant – decisions go for you and go against you – united and chelsea win the majoirty of their games so good calls they get are often highlighted where as if they win and are still on the end of bad ones these are ignored
Personally I think its mind games by AVB – not a bad idea I think but personally I don’t think the referee had a bad game
One further thing
If this was SAF complaining, there would be the usual outcry abouthim being a bad loser
The truth is, when SAF had his rant, he had a point, and now AVB has a point too.
Have I missed something ..... what happened ?
Are you guys winding up those poor Mancs again
Let me guess ...... they NEVER get the decisions against Chelsea .... right ?
Could have summed it all up without the p^ssing contest
comment by The return of click for free beer_Young? Downing? No thanks, make mine a Mata! (U3630) posted 4 minutes ago
That was the first penalty decision that has gone our way this season
AVB's complaint is with the 2 offside goals, which there has been decisively little media outcry abou
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If there was an outcry everytime refs got marginal decsions wrong it would be continuous
You make it sound like just because it happens to Chelsea, there should be an outcry
It's easy to spot a half yard offside with the benefit of the pause button. It is not in real time, particularly in a box full of red/blue shirts
Let me guess ...... they NEVER get the decisions against Chelsea .... right ?
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Apparently not.
According to Man Utd fans the 2-1 loss to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in 2010 was proof that Utd never get the decisions against Chelsea
They conveniently forget that Utd´s only goal of the game came from a blatant Macheda handball.
But hey let´s sweep that fact under the carpet - Utd fans do.
Chelsea scored an offside goal at OT which won them the tittle so maybe this is how things get even up. Bad refereeing decisions affect both sides and at the end I think its even. Two offside goals were given against chelsea but we should have got a penalty and Ashley Cole didn't get a red card. so its even in terms of major decisions and most 50/50 ones went Chelsea way.
comment by SuperbFrank (U6486) posted 1 minute ago
Let me guess ...... they NEVER get the decisions against Chelsea .... right ?
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Apparently not.
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Most United fans are saying both goals were marginally offside on Sunday
Can you not read?
SuperbFrank (U6486)
Phew ..... had me worried ......
I thought they had come up with something original ...
Phew ..... had me worried ......
I thought they had come up with something original ...
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Nah same old tired bull I´m happy to say.
comment by SuperbFrank (U6486) posted 29 seconds ago
Phew ..... had me worried ......
I thought they had come up with something original ...
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Nah same old tired bull I´m happy to say.
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Two questions
Did SAF have the right to feel agrieved at SB last season
Does AVB have the right to feel agrieved about Sunday?
That AVB's a rascal .... isn't he ?
Imagine any PL manager complaining about poor decisions through proper channels
Whatever will he do next ......?
I like him more every day
Excuse my ignorance, but other than the Smalling goal, which one was offside?
comment by SuperbFrank (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
Let me guess ...... they NEVER get the decisions against Chelsea .... right ?
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Apparently not.
According to Man Utd fans the 2-1 loss to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in 2010 was proof that Utd never get the decisions against Chelsea
They conveniently forget that Utd´s only goal of the game came from a blatant Macheda handball.
But hey let´s sweep that fact under the carpet - Utd fans do.
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From the BBC's "imparital' match report:
"Didier Drogba's contentious strike - scored from a clearly offside position with 11 minutes remaining - was the decisive moment...Drogba's goal looked to have sealed Chelsea's win, but Federico Macheda's scrambled effort - which also had a hint of handball - set up a grandstand finish"
And we wonder why the Utd fans never remember these things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoGd0GUZYNg
Sorry to be boring but I just don't think it's worth ever complaining about offsides. It's fine for tv to have all that technology to investigate milimetres but FFS let the officials carry on being human, and therefore not quite as insanely accurate as machines.
I'll live with their mistakes - sometimes for us, sometimes against. Hey-ho!
"Didier Drogba's contentious strike - scored from a clearly offside position with 11 minutes remaining - was the decisive moment...Drogba's goal looked to have sealed Chelsea's win, but Federico Macheda's scrambled effort - which also had a hint of handball - set up a grandstand finish"
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So Drogba´s goal was "contentious" and "scored from a clearly offside position" yet Macheda´s blatant handball only had a "hint of handball" about it.
Here´s Macheda´s goal and you decide if it only had a "hint" of handball about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoGd0GUZYNg
comment by Darren The King Fletcher - Balotelli's a comedy genius (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Excuse my ignorance, but other than the Smalling goal, which one was offside?
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Nani was coming back from an offside position when evans struck the pass, but with the ball travelling 30-40 yards, nani running back towards our goal and that it was so marginally offside I'd have been surprised if it was given
What's happened to that cheat Macheda?
Exactly my point SuperbFrank.
aquantumofsolskjaer (U7129)
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I think he's complaining to Riley because the linesmen (or spare substitute deputy under referee or whatever they're called) fall under his authority. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm not sure.
UnitedRedMacca:
Yes, it's difficult to tell, but it's their job and they've got to do it. The 2nd was hard to tell, but a free kick should be easy to see, esp. as the linesman was on the right side. Regardless, I can't see why we don't put in video technology. If the FA want FIFA to change they have to set an example.
On that note, I was amused in Chelsea v Leverkusen to see the 19th referee (the guy who stands behind the goal) make no decision on Torres' 'ungoal' - he just shrugged and looked at the linesman! Really doing his job isn't he!
Let's not forget the game earlier that season at SB.
Firstly Rooney one on one in the first half wrongly flagged offside.
Secondly the foul given against Fletcher which wasn't even a foul led to a free kick from which John Terry scored whie Drogba stood in an offside position in front of VDS. Goal given, United were the better team that day and it was a harsh loss which on reflection, probably cost United the title. A draw would have seen us finish a point above Chelsea at the end of the season so the mistakes in the OT match would have been irrelevant. All circumstantial of course. Chelsea in my opinion were the better side that season and deserved to win the title.
But a lot of United fans have admitted we got the decisions on Sunday although we deserved to win the game overall.
A lot of bitterness from the Chelsea fans on here claiming how us and Fergie are always whingeing about the same things you guys are whingeing about now!
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posted on 20/9/11
I respect the fact that AVB has gone through the appropriate channels. His team were harshly treated on Sunday with the 2 offside goals. But I'm not sure complaining will do much. Look at Kenny, complaining properly probably did his side no favours against Spurs.
The refs should be allowed to come out and apologise, it shouldn't be down to the managers to try and force the relevant authorities to take the appropriate action through poor performance.
That said, they're only human and both calls we very close ones. I've seen more blatant ones missed. I think Sundays were very hard to call so it's not something the officials should be punished for.
I'm sure it will all even out for Chelsea over the season.
posted on 20/9/11
Let's be honest
SAF would be moaning if it was the other way around
Not sure you can really blame the Linesman though, both were marginal and the linesman gave Cole the benefit of the doubt when it could have been a red and a pen
Don't blame AVB for moaning though. SAF would have done in the same situation.
posted on 20/9/11
comment by JeremyKyleNation (U1041)
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Chelsea fans should start panicking if Mike Riley comes for a chat with AVB
posted on 20/9/11
Albert Morgan
"He still should've been sent off though, dirty little rodent."
==============================================
Posting this while your side is spearheadded by a pie key, potato headed, granny 54agg.er is a touch rich mate
But yes, can we stop with the griping, we were the better footballing side on the day (So say the stats), but United got lucky, it was their turn, thats all.
Next time it will be our turn
posted on 20/9/11
That was the first penalty decision that has gone our way this season
AVB's complaint is with the 2 offside goals, which there has been decisively little media outcry about
posted on 20/9/11
Linesmen are paid to do their job and call offsides - and they got 2 decisions wrong that changed the game. So why aren't Chelsea fans and AVB entitled to be unhappy?
AVB and Chelsea fans are entitled to be unhappy but to say the referees had a poor game is unfair and unnecessary in my opinion – the game was open and chelsea missed countless chances – I don’t think the refereeing had that much of a baring on the game – it wasn’t exactly as if it was a typical united/chelsea game decided by the odd goal
I won’t get into the drogba/macheda etc etc debate as for me its irrelevant – decisions go for you and go against you – united and chelsea win the majoirty of their games so good calls they get are often highlighted where as if they win and are still on the end of bad ones these are ignored
Personally I think its mind games by AVB – not a bad idea I think but personally I don’t think the referee had a bad game
posted on 20/9/11
One further thing
If this was SAF complaining, there would be the usual outcry abouthim being a bad loser
The truth is, when SAF had his rant, he had a point, and now AVB has a point too.
posted on 20/9/11
Have I missed something ..... what happened ?
Are you guys winding up those poor Mancs again
Let me guess ...... they NEVER get the decisions against Chelsea .... right ?
Could have summed it all up without the p^ssing contest
posted on 20/9/11
comment by The return of click for free beer_Young? Downing? No thanks, make mine a Mata! (U3630) posted 4 minutes ago
That was the first penalty decision that has gone our way this season
AVB's complaint is with the 2 offside goals, which there has been decisively little media outcry abou
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If there was an outcry everytime refs got marginal decsions wrong it would be continuous
You make it sound like just because it happens to Chelsea, there should be an outcry
It's easy to spot a half yard offside with the benefit of the pause button. It is not in real time, particularly in a box full of red/blue shirts
posted on 20/9/11
Let me guess ...... they NEVER get the decisions against Chelsea .... right ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apparently not.
According to Man Utd fans the 2-1 loss to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in 2010 was proof that Utd never get the decisions against Chelsea
They conveniently forget that Utd´s only goal of the game came from a blatant Macheda handball.
But hey let´s sweep that fact under the carpet - Utd fans do.
posted on 20/9/11
Chelsea scored an offside goal at OT which won them the tittle so maybe this is how things get even up. Bad refereeing decisions affect both sides and at the end I think its even. Two offside goals were given against chelsea but we should have got a penalty and Ashley Cole didn't get a red card. so its even in terms of major decisions and most 50/50 ones went Chelsea way.
posted on 20/9/11
comment by SuperbFrank (U6486) posted 1 minute ago
Let me guess ...... they NEVER get the decisions against Chelsea .... right ?
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Apparently not.
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Most United fans are saying both goals were marginally offside on Sunday
Can you not read?
posted on 20/9/11
SuperbFrank (U6486)
Phew ..... had me worried ......
I thought they had come up with something original ...
posted on 20/9/11
Phew ..... had me worried ......
I thought they had come up with something original ...
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Nah same old tired bull I´m happy to say.
posted on 20/9/11
comment by SuperbFrank (U6486) posted 29 seconds ago
Phew ..... had me worried ......
I thought they had come up with something original ...
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Nah same old tired bull I´m happy to say.
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Two questions
Did SAF have the right to feel agrieved at SB last season
Does AVB have the right to feel agrieved about Sunday?
posted on 20/9/11
That AVB's a rascal .... isn't he ?
Imagine any PL manager complaining about poor decisions through proper channels
Whatever will he do next ......?
I like him more every day
posted on 20/9/11
Excuse my ignorance, but other than the Smalling goal, which one was offside?
posted on 20/9/11
comment by SuperbFrank (U6486)
posted 1 minute ago
Let me guess ...... they NEVER get the decisions against Chelsea .... right ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Apparently not.
According to Man Utd fans the 2-1 loss to Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in 2010 was proof that Utd never get the decisions against Chelsea
They conveniently forget that Utd´s only goal of the game came from a blatant Macheda handball.
But hey let´s sweep that fact under the carpet - Utd fans do.
---------------------------
From the BBC's "imparital' match report:
"Didier Drogba's contentious strike - scored from a clearly offside position with 11 minutes remaining - was the decisive moment...Drogba's goal looked to have sealed Chelsea's win, but Federico Macheda's scrambled effort - which also had a hint of handball - set up a grandstand finish"
And we wonder why the Utd fans never remember these things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoGd0GUZYNg
posted on 20/9/11
Sorry to be boring but I just don't think it's worth ever complaining about offsides. It's fine for tv to have all that technology to investigate milimetres but FFS let the officials carry on being human, and therefore not quite as insanely accurate as machines.
I'll live with their mistakes - sometimes for us, sometimes against. Hey-ho!
posted on 20/9/11
"Didier Drogba's contentious strike - scored from a clearly offside position with 11 minutes remaining - was the decisive moment...Drogba's goal looked to have sealed Chelsea's win, but Federico Macheda's scrambled effort - which also had a hint of handball - set up a grandstand finish"
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So Drogba´s goal was "contentious" and "scored from a clearly offside position" yet Macheda´s blatant handball only had a "hint of handball" about it.
Here´s Macheda´s goal and you decide if it only had a "hint" of handball about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoGd0GUZYNg
posted on 20/9/11
comment by Darren The King Fletcher - Balotelli's a comedy genius (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Excuse my ignorance, but other than the Smalling goal, which one was offside?
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Nani was coming back from an offside position when evans struck the pass, but with the ball travelling 30-40 yards, nani running back towards our goal and that it was so marginally offside I'd have been surprised if it was given
posted on 20/9/11
What's happened to that cheat Macheda?
posted on 20/9/11
Exactly my point SuperbFrank.
posted on 20/9/11
aquantumofsolskjaer (U7129)
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I think he's complaining to Riley because the linesmen (or spare substitute deputy under referee or whatever they're called) fall under his authority. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm not sure.
UnitedRedMacca:
Yes, it's difficult to tell, but it's their job and they've got to do it. The 2nd was hard to tell, but a free kick should be easy to see, esp. as the linesman was on the right side. Regardless, I can't see why we don't put in video technology. If the FA want FIFA to change they have to set an example.
On that note, I was amused in Chelsea v Leverkusen to see the 19th referee (the guy who stands behind the goal) make no decision on Torres' 'ungoal' - he just shrugged and looked at the linesman! Really doing his job isn't he!
posted on 20/9/11
Let's not forget the game earlier that season at SB.
Firstly Rooney one on one in the first half wrongly flagged offside.
Secondly the foul given against Fletcher which wasn't even a foul led to a free kick from which John Terry scored whie Drogba stood in an offside position in front of VDS. Goal given, United were the better team that day and it was a harsh loss which on reflection, probably cost United the title. A draw would have seen us finish a point above Chelsea at the end of the season so the mistakes in the OT match would have been irrelevant. All circumstantial of course. Chelsea in my opinion were the better side that season and deserved to win the title.
But a lot of United fans have admitted we got the decisions on Sunday although we deserved to win the game overall.
A lot of bitterness from the Chelsea fans on here claiming how us and Fergie are always whingeing about the same things you guys are whingeing about now!
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