Seems to me you Chelsea fans are ignoring the majority of United fans that are calling things fairly for both sides and are zeroing in on the couple that are not
Paranoid isn't the word
just like to point out that between Sunday and today hardly any Chelsea fans have been on the board complaining about a horrific refereeing performance. probably because you feel you played a good attack minded game and had your finishing been a bit more effective then you might have got somethijng from the game. and you'd have been right. I think Chelsea played well and United were a bit below par, especially our passing. But its only now that AVB has lodged a complaint about the refereeing that you all pipe up.
Smallings was marginal but shouldn't have stood
Nani was even more marginal and shouldn't have stood.
For both decisions though, unless Jesus, who is perfect apparently, or Doc Brown, with his ability to time travel and see the incidents repeatedly, were the actual linesman, then theres no way they can get those decsions correct.
Any linesman decision that gets replayed on MOTD and the pundits are still undecided after several replays shows their job is an almost impossible one and mistakes are inevitable.
The other dubious decision of the match was the Cole tackle on Hernandez. The ref wasn't even gonna give him a yellow until the linesman had a word. If he didn't give the penalty because the ball was already out of play then fair enough, rules are rules, but he must have eighsight of a hawk to see the ball was out before Coles studs made contact with Chicaritos shin. So fair enough on no penalty but it was a straight red.
So 2 pretty hard to spot offsides, 1 more than the other, and 1 blatant red card.
Thanks Thunderkiss. There seems to be a lot of confusion over the offside rule now, all this interfering with play stuff is reason for it. A new passage of play has happened there, whereby no real advantage has been gained from coming back from an offside position. But in the letters of the law, he's off.
They need to have clearer interpretations of the rule, and of course bring in video refereeing - it does wonders for the sport of cricket, tennis and rugby.
Ahhh that John Terry penalty miss in Moscow still hurts obviously!!!!!
Gawwd bless you JT
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
A lot of bitterness from the Chelsea fans on here claiming how us and Fergie are always whingeing about the same things you guys are whingeing about now!
---------------------------------
Well, the OP wrote this article implying that AVB was whinging, so many Chelsea supporters are just pointing out that Fergie and co. have been know to question to odd referee decision.
Exactly my point SuperbFrank.
------------------------------------------------------------
If the sporting media in this country are impartial then my name is Donald Duck.
According to the BBC:
Drogba´s goal = "contentious" and "clearly offside".
Macheda´s goal = only a "hint of offside" about it.
Macheda practically picked it up and threw it in the net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoGd0GUZYNg
superffrank is obviously not the brightest tool in the box, first he seems to think the Macheda 'handball' was at SB, when everyone knows it was at OT and secondly he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match. Let me spell it out, Drogbas offside goal decided the match, Machedas had no bearing on it at all.
The reality that not one chelsea supporter can succesfully argue against is that in this fixture Chelsea have had far far more incorrect decisions that have gone in their favour than United have in the last 5 or so years.
he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match
--------------------------------
Wait, I'm confused. If Drogba's goal was decisive then how could Macheda's have no bearing? Cancel both goals (which incidentally happened within minutes of each other) and you have 1-0 to Chelsea, in a match they never trailed in.
Come on - be fair. To call Nani offside would have been farcical. Fair do's to the boy - a blinding goal.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher - Balotelli's a comedy genius (U10026)
------------------
With you on the video ref, wouldn't take longer than 30 seconds to check if there's an offside or infringement and have the goal chalked off, but would they, even if they had that, check the Nani goal as it's so far back in the build up? It was still hard to tell if he was off even with the line drawn across the pitch
comment by TGI® Fry™ - What ever happened to Kalou? I haven't seen him in ages. (U9236)
posted 9 minutes ago
he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match
--------------------------------
Wait, I'm confused. If Drogba's goal was decisive then how could Macheda's have no bearing? Cancel both goals (which incidentally happened within minutes of each other) and you have 1-0 to Chelsea, in a match they never trailed in.
-----------------
tes you do have one nil but considering machedas came late in the game at 2-0 it was only a consolation. Before drogbas, it was 1-0 so united were always in the game.
tes you do have one nil but considering machedas came late in the game at 2-0 it was only a consolation. Before drogbas, it was 1-0 so united were always in the game
-----------------
Not really. United were never in that game, have to say it was as limp as I've ever seen them play in recent years
Think it's kind of pointless debating that though!
comment by Born United, Live United, Die United (U9919)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by TGI® Fry™ - What ever happened to Kalou? I haven't seen him in ages. (U9236)
posted 9 minutes ago
he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match
--------------------------------
Wait, I'm confused. If Drogba's goal was decisive then how could Macheda's have no bearing? Cancel both goals (which incidentally happened within minutes of each other) and you have 1-0 to Chelsea, in a match they never trailed in.
-----------------
tes you do have one nil but considering machedas came late in the game at 2-0 it was only a consolation. Before drogbas, it was 1-0 so united were always in the game.
-----------------------------------
Drogba's goal was in the 79th minute and Macheda's was in the 81st. So you were still in the game. I see them as cancelling each other out, although Macheda's was far more farcical . Anyway, I'm not complaining, it's old news and we won and lost the league since. I'm just pointing out flawed logic.
Surprise surprise, another moaning Portuguese manager at Chelsea . He sounds like a bitter man who cant take defeat. Chelsea played well, but didn't deserve to win because their players were useless in front of goal. No team should rely on a lino's flag .
comment by TGI® Fry™ - What ever happened to Kalou? I haven't seen him in ages. (U9236) posted 3 minutes ago
he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match
--------------------------------
Wait, I'm confused. If Drogba's goal was decisive then how could Macheda's have no bearing? Cancel both goals (which incidentally happened within minutes of each other) and you have 1-0 to Chelsea, in a match they never trailed in.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It is this superfrank geezer keeps rattling on about the Macheda goal, the Macheda handball was irrelevant in the grand scheme of things & most United fans admit it shouldn't have stood so why does superfrank keep going on about it as if it was some kind of great injustice ?
comment by TGI® Fry™ - What ever happened to Kalou? I haven't seen him in ages. (U9236)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Born United, Live United, Die United (U9919)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by TGI® Fry™ - What ever happened to Kalou? I haven't seen him in ages. (U9236)
posted 9 minutes ago
he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match
--------------------------------
Wait, I'm confused. If Drogba's goal was decisive then how could Macheda's have no bearing? Cancel both goals (which incidentally happened within minutes of each other) and you have 1-0 to Chelsea, in a match they never trailed in.
-----------------
tes you do have one nil but considering machedas came late in the game at 2-0 it was only a consolation. Before drogbas, it was 1-0 so united were always in the game.
-----------------------------------
Drogba's goal was in the 79th minute and Macheda's was in the 81st. So you were still in the game. I see them as cancelling each other out, although Macheda's was far more farcical . Anyway, I'm not complaining, it's old news and we won and lost the league since. I'm just pointing out flawed logic.
-----------------
thats 2 less minutes to get an equaliser.
thats 2 less minutes to get an equaliser.
----------------------------------
But then there's always Fergie time
utd were bailed out by cfc profligacy and poor reffing.
no trophies for northerners this year, methinks.
, Drogba's offside goal, the goal that decided the premier league trophy two years ago, could be seen from an airplane. And what about the second penalty with a red card to Cole? Was that goos refereeing.
-
You seem to forget macheda's handball goal in that game and the two stonewall pens the ref missed.
plus, how about evra in the cl against ramires last year, or the offside cheaterito goal at ot.
comment by - happytoucan- (U1328)
------------
How can anyone forget the macheda goal when it's been mentioned a hundred times just on this thread?
Pointless debate but people tend to forget that we scored the only legitimtae goal that game
Chelsea outplayed united that day at old t. Two good pen shouts and one legitimate goal v zero legit goals.
OK so when united and chelsea have played in the last few years there has been some terrible decisions, the trouble is it happens every time they play and mainly will favour a certain team. I am inclined to say that united have had the more bad decisions against them than chelsea, of course im inclined to say this but i do truly believe it. This arguing is just getting silly.
Better have the defibrillator very close at Old Trafford this season
Sign in if you want to comment
Villas Boas & referee
Page 4 of 5
posted on 20/9/11
Seems to me you Chelsea fans are ignoring the majority of United fans that are calling things fairly for both sides and are zeroing in on the couple that are not
Paranoid isn't the word
posted on 20/9/11
just like to point out that between Sunday and today hardly any Chelsea fans have been on the board complaining about a horrific refereeing performance. probably because you feel you played a good attack minded game and had your finishing been a bit more effective then you might have got somethijng from the game. and you'd have been right. I think Chelsea played well and United were a bit below par, especially our passing. But its only now that AVB has lodged a complaint about the refereeing that you all pipe up.
Smallings was marginal but shouldn't have stood
Nani was even more marginal and shouldn't have stood.
For both decisions though, unless Jesus, who is perfect apparently, or Doc Brown, with his ability to time travel and see the incidents repeatedly, were the actual linesman, then theres no way they can get those decsions correct.
Any linesman decision that gets replayed on MOTD and the pundits are still undecided after several replays shows their job is an almost impossible one and mistakes are inevitable.
The other dubious decision of the match was the Cole tackle on Hernandez. The ref wasn't even gonna give him a yellow until the linesman had a word. If he didn't give the penalty because the ball was already out of play then fair enough, rules are rules, but he must have eighsight of a hawk to see the ball was out before Coles studs made contact with Chicaritos shin. So fair enough on no penalty but it was a straight red.
So 2 pretty hard to spot offsides, 1 more than the other, and 1 blatant red card.
posted on 20/9/11
Thanks Thunderkiss. There seems to be a lot of confusion over the offside rule now, all this interfering with play stuff is reason for it. A new passage of play has happened there, whereby no real advantage has been gained from coming back from an offside position. But in the letters of the law, he's off.
They need to have clearer interpretations of the rule, and of course bring in video refereeing - it does wonders for the sport of cricket, tennis and rugby.
posted on 20/9/11
Ahhh that John Terry penalty miss in Moscow still hurts obviously!!!!!
Gawwd bless you JT
posted on 20/9/11
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 20/9/11
A lot of bitterness from the Chelsea fans on here claiming how us and Fergie are always whingeing about the same things you guys are whingeing about now!
---------------------------------
Well, the OP wrote this article implying that AVB was whinging, so many Chelsea supporters are just pointing out that Fergie and co. have been know to question to odd referee decision.
posted on 20/9/11
Exactly my point SuperbFrank.
------------------------------------------------------------
If the sporting media in this country are impartial then my name is Donald Duck.
According to the BBC:
Drogba´s goal = "contentious" and "clearly offside".
Macheda´s goal = only a "hint of offside" about it.
Macheda practically picked it up and threw it in the net.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoGd0GUZYNg
posted on 20/9/11
superffrank is obviously not the brightest tool in the box, first he seems to think the Macheda 'handball' was at SB, when everyone knows it was at OT and secondly he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match. Let me spell it out, Drogbas offside goal decided the match, Machedas had no bearing on it at all.
The reality that not one chelsea supporter can succesfully argue against is that in this fixture Chelsea have had far far more incorrect decisions that have gone in their favour than United have in the last 5 or so years.
posted on 20/9/11
he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match
--------------------------------
Wait, I'm confused. If Drogba's goal was decisive then how could Macheda's have no bearing? Cancel both goals (which incidentally happened within minutes of each other) and you have 1-0 to Chelsea, in a match they never trailed in.
posted on 20/9/11
Come on - be fair. To call Nani offside would have been farcical. Fair do's to the boy - a blinding goal.
posted on 20/9/11
comment by Darren The King Fletcher - Balotelli's a comedy genius (U10026)
------------------
With you on the video ref, wouldn't take longer than 30 seconds to check if there's an offside or infringement and have the goal chalked off, but would they, even if they had that, check the Nani goal as it's so far back in the build up? It was still hard to tell if he was off even with the line drawn across the pitch
posted on 20/9/11
comment by TGI® Fry™ - What ever happened to Kalou? I haven't seen him in ages. (U9236)
posted 9 minutes ago
he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match
--------------------------------
Wait, I'm confused. If Drogba's goal was decisive then how could Macheda's have no bearing? Cancel both goals (which incidentally happened within minutes of each other) and you have 1-0 to Chelsea, in a match they never trailed in.
-----------------
tes you do have one nil but considering machedas came late in the game at 2-0 it was only a consolation. Before drogbas, it was 1-0 so united were always in the game.
posted on 20/9/11
tes you do have one nil but considering machedas came late in the game at 2-0 it was only a consolation. Before drogbas, it was 1-0 so united were always in the game
-----------------
Not really. United were never in that game, have to say it was as limp as I've ever seen them play in recent years
Think it's kind of pointless debating that though!
posted on 20/9/11
comment by Born United, Live United, Die United (U9919)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by TGI® Fry™ - What ever happened to Kalou? I haven't seen him in ages. (U9236)
posted 9 minutes ago
he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match
--------------------------------
Wait, I'm confused. If Drogba's goal was decisive then how could Macheda's have no bearing? Cancel both goals (which incidentally happened within minutes of each other) and you have 1-0 to Chelsea, in a match they never trailed in.
-----------------
tes you do have one nil but considering machedas came late in the game at 2-0 it was only a consolation. Before drogbas, it was 1-0 so united were always in the game.
-----------------------------------
Drogba's goal was in the 79th minute and Macheda's was in the 81st. So you were still in the game. I see them as cancelling each other out, although Macheda's was far more farcical . Anyway, I'm not complaining, it's old news and we won and lost the league since. I'm just pointing out flawed logic.
posted on 20/9/11
Surprise surprise, another moaning Portuguese manager at Chelsea . He sounds like a bitter man who cant take defeat. Chelsea played well, but didn't deserve to win because their players were useless in front of goal. No team should rely on a lino's flag .
posted on 20/9/11
comment by TGI® Fry™ - What ever happened to Kalou? I haven't seen him in ages. (U9236) posted 3 minutes ago
he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match
--------------------------------
Wait, I'm confused. If Drogba's goal was decisive then how could Macheda's have no bearing? Cancel both goals (which incidentally happened within minutes of each other) and you have 1-0 to Chelsea, in a match they never trailed in.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It is this superfrank geezer keeps rattling on about the Macheda goal, the Macheda handball was irrelevant in the grand scheme of things & most United fans admit it shouldn't have stood so why does superfrank keep going on about it as if it was some kind of great injustice ?
posted on 20/9/11
comment by TGI® Fry™ - What ever happened to Kalou? I haven't seen him in ages. (U9236)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Born United, Live United, Die United (U9919)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by TGI® Fry™ - What ever happened to Kalou? I haven't seen him in ages. (U9236)
posted 9 minutes ago
he is too dumb to grasp the difference between Drogba's decisive 2nd goal and a consolation goal in the dying moments of the match
--------------------------------
Wait, I'm confused. If Drogba's goal was decisive then how could Macheda's have no bearing? Cancel both goals (which incidentally happened within minutes of each other) and you have 1-0 to Chelsea, in a match they never trailed in.
-----------------
tes you do have one nil but considering machedas came late in the game at 2-0 it was only a consolation. Before drogbas, it was 1-0 so united were always in the game.
-----------------------------------
Drogba's goal was in the 79th minute and Macheda's was in the 81st. So you were still in the game. I see them as cancelling each other out, although Macheda's was far more farcical . Anyway, I'm not complaining, it's old news and we won and lost the league since. I'm just pointing out flawed logic.
-----------------
thats 2 less minutes to get an equaliser.
posted on 20/9/11
thats 2 less minutes to get an equaliser.
----------------------------------
But then there's always Fergie time
posted on 20/9/11
utd were bailed out by cfc profligacy and poor reffing.
no trophies for northerners this year, methinks.
posted on 20/9/11
, Drogba's offside goal, the goal that decided the premier league trophy two years ago, could be seen from an airplane. And what about the second penalty with a red card to Cole? Was that goos refereeing.
-
You seem to forget macheda's handball goal in that game and the two stonewall pens the ref missed.
plus, how about evra in the cl against ramires last year, or the offside cheaterito goal at ot.
posted on 20/9/11
comment by - happytoucan- (U1328)
------------
How can anyone forget the macheda goal when it's been mentioned a hundred times just on this thread?
posted on 20/9/11
Pointless debate but people tend to forget that we scored the only legitimtae goal that game
posted on 20/9/11
Chelsea outplayed united that day at old t. Two good pen shouts and one legitimate goal v zero legit goals.
posted on 20/9/11
OK so when united and chelsea have played in the last few years there has been some terrible decisions, the trouble is it happens every time they play and mainly will favour a certain team. I am inclined to say that united have had the more bad decisions against them than chelsea, of course im inclined to say this but i do truly believe it. This arguing is just getting silly.
posted on 20/9/11
Better have the defibrillator very close at Old Trafford this season
Page 4 of 5