Doesn't take defeat too well then?

Lets list controversial decisions

1) The awarding of the freekick that led to the goal at the bridge. 09/10

It was a freekick. RIGHT DECISION

2) The goal from the freekick

Was a tug to be fair. UNFAIR TO UTD


2) Drogba's 'offside' goal in 09/10 at OT.

Yes true enough. UNFAIR TO UTD.

3) Macheda gaol at OT in 09/10

Was handball. UNFAIR TO CHELSEA

4) The Zhirkov pen 10/11

It was a pen . RIGHT DECISION.

5) Luiz one yellow, three fouls. 10/11

He should have been off. UNFAIR TO UTD

6) Ramires pen incident at Bridge in CL 10/11

Evra scythed him down. Should have been a pen. UNFAIR TO CHELSEA

7) Hernandez goal vs Chelsea in CL at OT.

It was offside. UNFAIR TO CHELSEA.

8) Smaaling goal at OT vs chelsea. 11/12

Was offside. UNFAIR TO CHELSEA

9) Nani goal at OT vs chelsea 11/12

Was offside, UNFAIR TO CHELSEA

10) Nani pen at OT vs chelsea 11/12

Never a pen, UNFAIR TO CHELSEA.


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So, out of the ten big incidents in the last few years., only two had RIGHT DECISIONS BEING MADE. And 3 were UNFAIR TO UTD. But criminally 5 WERE UNFAIR TO CHELSEA.

AVB

happytoucan- (U1328)

i disagree with a few of those, therefore more unfair to united.

Well then youre an eejit

My biggest gripe in football is how players/managers are always looking to blame the ref when results go against them, rather than accept the responsibility themselves for losing matches. As a Utd fan I readily accept that Fergie is one of the worst culprits, but wouldn't it be refreshing if someone just came out and said "yes, the ref made a few poor decisions, but ultimately we lost because we didn't take our chances" rather than "the ref had a shocker and cost us the game".

I always have sympathy for the ref because they are given no technical assistance and yet have to make split second decisions whilst the rest of us get umpteen slo-mo replays before deciding that someone was a fraction offside etc. Yes, perhaps Smalling should have been spotted for the first goal, I don't think anyone in the world at the time was aware of Nani being offside for the second, and don't forget that the replay of the Hernadez foul showed how shocking a tackle it was by Cole.

If a player is yards offside and it's missed, then yes, criticism is due, but let's not try and hide behind the ref instead of accepting what was absolutely appalling defending by Chelsea for the first 2 goals. Managers are happy to complain about refs, yet want understanding from fans when it comes to the players' deficiencies. Because less face it, the most shocking 'error' of the day was Torres' miss, but most are content to accept that overall he had a good game and it was just a freak occurence.

We expect refs to give almost perfect perfomances, but without the aid of technology, it's about time players had a look at their own performances rather than look to blame the ref - a change in attitude is required all round.

happytoucan- (U1328)

nice reply, ill take it you have nothing more to add to the converstion.

I was kidding. I am watching Dara O Briain live on tv and thats a word he says a lot.

If you want cool debate. then why not tell us which ones you think i have got wrong.

Chelsea played well, but didn't deserve to win because their players were useless in front of goal. No team should rely on a lino's flag .

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Spot on, just like in 2009/10, United were useless in front of goal in both games against Chelsea that season and lost them both. Chelsea went on to be worthy champions

My biggest gripe in football is how players/managers are always looking to blame the ref when results go against them, rather than accept the responsibility themselves for losing matches.
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But what when the ref is to blame? Shouldn't they rightly be blamed? You can play your guts out,have a perfect match but if the ref wrongly chalks off a goal or wrongly gives a goal then it is his fault and they should be blamed.
It's not excuses when its fact.

CPofL - So the ref can't make mistakes but the players can? Why not blame Torres for missing an open net. Why not blame Ramires for the sitter he missed. Why not blame Chelsea players for all the chances they missed. Can anyone argue that the ref also incorrectly did not send off Cole? It is so easy to blame the ref, when let's face it, it was Chelsea's inability to take their chances that cost them that match. Refs are a soft target for players and managers alike, and as I said before easier to blame them than the players take responsibilty themselves.

Officials make mistakes in all sports, but only in football are they so strongly held responsible for the result. Chelsea lost because they did not score enough of their NINETEEN attempts at goal - that is a fact and who is to blame for that?

CPofL - So the ref can't make mistakes but the players can?
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Now you're changing the goal posts.I replied purely to your assertion that you can't blame the ref even when he's wrong.

Oh and you're now discussing the game from this weekend and I assumed you meant any game as you described it as 'your biggest gripe in football'

"It's not excuses when its fact"


I take it you have some kind of learning deficiency.
Here's some free advice: read the earlier post from kinsang (U3346), COGITATE upon it (if that is within your capacity) and stop being so damn silly.

And btw, the ref is always right.

Officials in the NFL rarely make mistakes (and when they're not sure there's video replay), and the NFL commentators for what is worth are always spot on. Too much referee discretion and subectivity in football and it's perpetuated by ignorant pundits who brush things aside with cliched comments.

CPofL - if you read my original post, you will see that I stated that Fergie is one of the worst culprits, so I do mean to games in general when I describe it as my biggest gripe - I am just using the weekend game for examples.

I also said that if the ref makes what is a glaring mistake then he should be criticised, but the first 2 Utd goals were marginal decisions at best, and if I were a Chelsea fan I would be more worried about the extreme lack of Chelsea defending for both goals than trying to have a go at the ref.

Refs will always make mistakes, it is part and parcel of the game, but players will also make mistakes - but to me in the majority of cases players/managers blame the refs's mistakes for losses rather than their own mistakes - that is where there needs to be a change in attitude.

Chelsea have had more than their fair of decisions agaisnt United over the last year or two

Not admitting to it is just bias and blindness.

Even Webb sided with ya at OT last season. If Ivanovic had walked, no one could have moaned.

Refs had a pretty good game but got two MARGINAL offsides wrong possibly but claiming they were poor decisions is wrong. Marginal decisions in a split second can only ever be guess work on the part of a linesman at best

I think any manager of a team playing Chelsea from now on should put in an official complaint if they get an incorrect decision go against them

No wait. It never happens to Chelsea does it

Just want to say I agree wholeheartedly with kinsang.

Dont want to enter the bun fight re who has suffered the most over percieved incorrect decisions from the referees and officials, but I do wish that ALL managers would keep their traps shut regarding them.

We are supposed to be supporting the referees via the "Respect" campaign, then we get KD asking why they do not respect his club, SAF commenting on "Not having a strong referee" following a result not going his way, and now our own boss throws his hat into the ring with an ill informed swipe.

Why dont they just accept that it is the most difficult aspect of the game, the refusal to use modern technology in decisive decisions is another major player here, if we want cut and dried decisions, then press for the use of the cameras available, if not, just wipe your mouth and accept that sometimes things dont go your way.

I thought we had a new breed of manager at the bridge, it would seem I was wrong

comment by SANDSEND 59 (U6325) posted 2 minutes ago

Dont want to enter the bun fight re who has suffered the most over percieved incorrect decisions from the referees and officials, but I do wish that ALL managers would keep their traps shut regarding them.

We are supposed to be supporting the referees via the "Respect" campaign, then we get KD asking why they do not respect his club, SAF commenting on "Not having a strong referee" following a result not going his way, and now our own boss throws his hat into the ring with an ill informed swipe.

Why dont they just accept that it is the most difficult aspect of the game, the refusal to use modern technology in decisive decisions is another major player here, if we want cut and dried decisions, then press for the use of the cameras available, if not, just wipe your mouth and accept that sometimes things dont go your way.

I thought we had a new breed of manager at the bridge, it would seem I was wrong
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I also said that if the ref makes what is a glaring mistake then he should be criticised, but the first 2 Utd goals
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Yet again you've brought it back to one particular match YAWN

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