comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 39 seconds ago
There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

Were you not intelligent enough to link my point back to your point about one starting for his country?
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Were you not intelligent enough to realise it's a crap point? Herrera doesnt get in the team rated lower than the team Henderson starts for. Not only that, he doesn't even get in the squad. They have no use for him, even on the bench, as he's not good enough.

I thought he played well in the last game but he's been average for seasons now, hence why he doesnt play for his country.

Careers now defined by 12 games. Herrera is so good hes done nothing in a couple of years

There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)

It was a crap point to raise the fact that one starts for his country and one doesn't, yes.

You think Henderson would get anywhere near Spain's midfield if he was Spanish?

When you've acknowledged your ridiculous point perhaps the debate can move on.

comment by San Miguel (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
You know when you're at the seaside eating fish and chips and there's some gull swirling around your head squawking away after a chip, that reminds me of Henderson when an opponent has the ball
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You sound like that nutjob Cantona

Henderson motm vs Bayern. Herrera absolutely nowhere vs PSG. Hendo was integral to us getting to CL final last year. Herrera is bang average and playing because utd have no better options

Herreras a rat

Henderson shouldn't be compared to Herrera. It's like McTominay being compared to Pogba.

Herrera can do what Henderson does, but Henderson cannot do what Herrera does. If you swapped their nationality, Herrera would be raved about in the press here. England do have a very poor selection of midfielders to choose from. If they swapped teams, Herrera would improve what Liverpool have, while Henderson would not.

Henderson should be compared to Matic. While Matic is decent, he isn't great. Would Henderson be better? I'm undecided on that. Though I don't think Matic would suit Klopp's side.

comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
As said slating Henderson really is a bit of a litmus test for who understands the game. Maybe all his managers just play him for bantz.

Superb last night as he has been many times against European heavyweight teams.

Good luck in Paris lads.
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Under Fergie we occasionally had players like Cleverley and O'Shea putting in valuable and flawless performances in great CL performances against the European heavyweights. Most of our fans are aware that they were no more than decent players who were being used to carry out very specific instructions and that a superb team can do well with cogs like that - perhaps even needs that kind of player to function.

I don't think it's a damning indictment of Henderson to put him in that category. Liverpool have a great team: we can acknowledge that without having to suggest that all of their individual players are elite footballers on a world stage.

Henderson is a net contributor in Klopp's system, where he'd probably look a lot less impressive playing for a team set up differently. Herrera looks excellent in Ole's set-up, and was less impressive at times under other managers.

I'm surprised this debate has been of such poor quality. Usually a Man Utd / LFC 'whose player is better?' OP would generate discussion that would be the envy of a Socratic dialogue.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
As said slating Henderson really is a bit of a litmus test for who understands the game. Maybe all his managers just play him for bantz.

Superb last night as he has been many times against European heavyweight teams.

Good luck in Paris lads.
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Under Fergie we occasionally had players like Cleverley and O'Shea putting in valuable and flawless performances in great CL performances against the European heavyweights. Most of our fans are aware that they were no more than decent players who were being used to carry out very specific instructions and that a superb team can do well with cogs like that - perhaps even needs that kind of player to function.

I don't think it's a damning indictment of Henderson to put him in that category. Liverpool have a great team: we can acknowledge that without having to suggest that all of their individual players are elite footballers on a world stage.

Henderson is a net contributor in Klopp's system, where he'd probably look a lot less impressive playing for a team set up differently. Herrera looks excellent in Ole's set-up, and was less impressive at times under other managers.

I'm surprised this debate has been of such poor quality. Usually a Man Utd / LFC 'whose player is better?' OP would generate discussion that would be the envy of a Socratic dialogue.
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First class post.

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 5 minutes ago
Henderson shouldn't be compared to Herrera. It's like McTominay being compared to Pogba.

Herrera can do what Henderson does, but Henderson cannot do what Herrera does. If you swapped their nationality, Herrera would be raved about in the press here. England do have a very poor selection of midfielders to choose from. If they swapped teams, Herrera would improve what Liverpool have, while Henderson would not.

Henderson should be compared to Matic. While Matic is decent, he isn't great. Would Henderson be better? I'm undecided on that. Though I don't think Matic would suit Klopp's side.
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Wow utter delusion

Herrera he's sh!te

If JA606 had a search function I bet you'd find a fair amount of posts from Liverpool fans saying similar things about Henderson's limitations.

Aren't Aspas and Suso both regulars for the Spanish national team?

Both bang average players as we can testify at Liverpool, but they are both in there.

Says a lot about Herrera to be honest.

Kash couldn't refute anything. Only able to call people names.

Come back when you're able to debate or put some points across.

Do Suso and Apas play the same position as Herrera? Henderson's competition in the England team is Dier.

Sane couldn't even get in the Germany squad for the WC, whereas Welbeck was on the plane.

Welbeck > Sane

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Robbing_Hoody - as a rule I don't trust a man who doesn't drink but I do trust James Milner (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
As said slating Henderson really is a bit of a litmus test for who understands the game. Maybe all his managers just play him for bantz.

Superb last night as he has been many times against European heavyweight teams.

Good luck in Paris lads.
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Under Fergie we occasionally had players like Cleverley and O'Shea putting in valuable and flawless performances in great CL performances against the European heavyweights. Most of our fans are aware that they were no more than decent players who were being used to carry out very specific instructions and that a superb team can do well with cogs like that - perhaps even needs that kind of player to function.

I don't think it's a damning indictment of Henderson to put him in that category. Liverpool have a great team: we can acknowledge that without having to suggest that all of their individual players are elite footballers on a world stage.

Henderson is a net contributor in Klopp's system, where he'd probably look a lot less impressive playing for a team set up differently. Herrera looks excellent in Ole's set-up, and was less impressive at times under other managers.

I'm surprised this debate has been of such poor quality. Usually a Man Utd / LFC 'whose player is better?' OP would generate discussion that would be the envy of a Socratic dialogue.
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Cleverley and O'Shea weren't captain of their club and England or fundamental to the first team of their club who were one if the best in Europe. A very long winded attempt to put him into a category he far exceeds. Luckily his managers don't see it that way and the team benefits by being joint top of the league with a game in hand.

Cleverley was partnering Carrick in our midfield. So that's your point moot, Toor

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 2 minutes ago
Cleverley was partnering Carrick in our midfield. So that's your point moot, Toor
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No it isn't. I didnt sag Cleverley wasn't partnering Carrick in midfield. Read again.

comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 2 minutes ago
Kash couldn't refute anything. Only able to call people names.

Come back when you're able to debate or put some points across.
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Calling you delusional is not calling you names

You hardly put a debate forward did you? You just said:

"Herrera can do what Henderson does, but Henderson cannot do what Herrera does. If you swapped their nationality, Herrera would be raved about in the press here."

The most comical comment of the year. How is this United sub all of sudden better than Hendo after a months? He was a bit part player under LVG and Jose. He came United as an attacking midfielder but now is nothing more than the English Lee Catermole.

TOOR is now ignoring the objections to his ridiculous International football point.

What a shock.


Listen lads, we can all have our opinion over who is better out of the two, but don't start making up ridiculous criteria like that and expect it to be taken seriously.

(Kash) I'm the Mane (U1108)

I think it's hard for you to see what we do because of Jose in particular, and I think he'll flourish under a better manager.

Not true to say that he came as an attacking midfielder and to say he's like Cattermole suggests you're not interested in a decent conversation.

Not a single LFC fan would be up in arms if they signed e.g. Verratti this summer and Henderson was sold to, let's say Arsenal. He's a decent player, don't get me wrong.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 19 seconds ago
TOOR is now ignoring the objections to his ridiculous International football point.

What a shock.


Listen lads, we can all have our opinion over who is better out of the two, but don't start making up ridiculous criteria like that and expect it to be taken seriously.
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Instead just say Herrera is better despite being average for seasons, in an average team and not getting in the squad for his country, off the back of a single good game. Any criteria put forward will henceforth be ignored and rubbished as we want to put our fingers in our ears, close our eyes and scream "na, na, na!".

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 43 seconds ago
Not a single LFC fan would be up in arms if they signed e.g. Verratti this summer and Henderson was sold to, let's say Arsenal. He's a decent player, don't get me wrong.
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Yes, I think most people would look at that Liverpool team and suggest it's an area of the pitch they could improve upon.