i dont disagree mate, its a minefield tho.
the minute celtic apologise they accept responsibility which then leaves them wide open to blame & claim.
i think they should do whats right, if it buggers the club then so be it, this is more important than football.
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble - Stage 1 complete. (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
i dont disagree mate, its a minefield tho.
the minute celtic apologise they accept responsibility which then leaves them wide open to blame & claim.
i think they should do whats right, if it buggers the club then so be it, this is more important than football.
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You can apologise on behalf of someone or something else. It doesn't mean you take on liability.
Celtic (nor any other business) will see themselves fold or be put in a position where there's even a remote possibility of doing so. Legally they have no case to answer so I just can't see that ever happening.
Morally however then I feel that once any more investigations are finalised (on a case by case basis) then we should make a "without prejudice" offer of counselling, loss of earnings and the like or certainly cover the costs of them.
In any event this can't go to a court so anything we may do will be seen as a gesture of goodwill whilst claiming zero liability. That's of course if we do anything at all.
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 24 seconds ago
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
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They probably are. There’s a bit of me thinks they’re quite right-it’s the culture of the world now. But the cynical side of me totally agrees. I’m not really sure how that would work anyway-how enforceable would that be?!
I get that the board have to tread carefully and from the legal perspective I understand it-but I’d rather there was a more proactive way of them dealing with it.
My old school is in the news with similar allegations in the last couple of weeks and I’ve been talking to some of my old school pals about it-not one of us even heard a rumour about it the whole time we were there. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, but it’s a bit odd that not one of us knew a thing about it.
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
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That's not even a legal option hence why it's just rumours.
The only scenario like that as I understand things are libel cases brought from a US case to the UK as our courts have more powers to award higher damages.
You can't just claim a court case in another country because they have different rules. If you could why not do it in Singapore and go for the death penalty?
The one above is only because the UK allow it and there has to be a link to the UK.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
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That's not even a legal option hence why it's just rumours.
The only scenario like that as I understand things are libel cases brought from a US case to the UK as our courts have more powers to award higher damages.
You can't just claim a court case in another country because they have different rules. If you could why not do it in Singapore and go for the death penalty?
The one above is only because the UK allow it and there has to be a link to the UK.
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I think it's because the alleged crime took place on US soil mate?
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comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
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That's not even a legal option hence why it's just rumours.
The only scenario like that as I understand things are libel cases brought from a US case to the UK as our courts have more powers to award higher damages.
You can't just claim a court case in another country because they have different rules. If you could why not do it in Singapore and go for the death penalty?
The one above is only because the UK allow it and there has to be a link to the UK.
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I think it's because the alleged crime took place on US soil mate?
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I didn't know that
In which case any plaintiffs will need some serious wedge to hire lawyers over there on a case from decades ago against a business who is a separate legal entity from the one accused and found responsible for these crimes. It's a civil court matter so they'll need a lot of money and time.
If anything this will be settled out of court rooms. The club won't want the publicity for one thing.
In any event the club are not responsible.
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
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That's not even a legal option hence why it's just rumours.
The only scenario like that as I understand things are libel cases brought from a US case to the UK as our courts have more powers to award higher damages.
You can't just claim a court case in another country because they have different rules. If you could why not do it in Singapore and go for the death penalty?
The one above is only because the UK allow it and there has to be a link to the UK.
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I think it's because the alleged crime took place on US soil mate?
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And the publicity generated.
One wonders if this will be funded by others?
‘Legally they have no case to answer so I just can't see that ever happening.’
I still don’t think that’s entirely true. If it goes to court, I think a decent lawyer will run right through that.
Without wanting to get technical, I think the statute of limitations in E&W is around 4 years from the age of 18 for these kinds of cases. I am not sure exactly what it is up here in Scotland, but I would imagine it is broadly the same. And thus, could claims be taken to civil court against Celtic, or anyone else?
legally maybe not but as soon as celtic accept responsibility the media are all over it.
counselling and some sort of compensation for the victims would at least help in some way.
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
Without wanting to get technical, I think the statute of limitations in E&W is around 4 years from the age of 18 for these kinds of cases. I am not sure exactly what it is up here in Scotland, but I would imagine it is broadly the same. And thus, could claims be taken to civil court against Celtic, or anyone else?
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I think that’s been removed.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 55 seconds ago
‘Legally they have no case to answer so I just can't see that ever happening.’
I still don’t think that’s entirely true. If it goes to court, I think a decent lawyer will run right through that.
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I don't think they have a chance in hell to be honest. And as above there are statutes of limitations.
Can anyone see witnesses dashing over to the states for hearing after hearing in a class action in any event?
As I said, the minute Celtic believe they are not on a strong legal footing they will look to settle this quickly and with the minimum of fuss. That's what a lawyer will want for the plaintiffs while he is on a percentage earner plus expenses. It goes to trial (can't ever see it) and anything can happen and the plaintiffs won't risk that.
The U S is the land of the deal.
can ginger not just pay them?
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
Without wanting to get technical, I think the statute of limitations in E&W is around 4 years from the age of 18 for these kinds of cases. I am not sure exactly what it is up here in Scotland, but I would imagine it is broadly the same. And thus, could claims be taken to civil court against Celtic, or anyone else?
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I think that’s been removed.
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I thought that was for criminal prosecutions not civil? I tried a quick google and the didn't fail to disappoint.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble - Stage 1 complete. (U8919)
posted 22 seconds ago
can ginger not just pay them?
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wtf?
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
Without wanting to get technical, I think the statute of limitations in E&W is around 4 years from the age of 18 for these kinds of cases. I am not sure exactly what it is up here in Scotland, but I would imagine it is broadly the same. And thus, could claims be taken to civil court against Celtic, or anyone else?
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I think that’s been removed.
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I thought that was for criminal prosecutions not civil? I tried a quick google and the didn't fail to disappoint.
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https://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/102163.aspx
It's sometimes easy to forget what some of these victims went through and the fact they had absolutely no one to turn too is sickening.
The police even turned a blind eye ffs.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble - Stage 1 complete. (U8919)
posted 22 seconds ago
can ginger not just pay them?
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wtf?
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take one for the team mate
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's sometimes easy to forget what some of these victims went through and the fact they had absolutely no one to turn too is sickening.
The police even turned a blind eye ffs.
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One of many things that was just ‘accepted’ at the time. Child abuse, domestic abuse-just not taken seriously enough.
nnh
football is insignificant to the horrors these people went through, if it buggers celtic then so be it, i'd never choose a football cllub over something as disgraceful as this.
I was reading an article on this not so long ago and the case against Celtic is that they were closely linked with their agreement that Celtic got the pick of the bunch for letting them use their facilities. Celtic FC were not the only club to benefit from players coming through their ranks and indeed several Scottish clubs took players from CBC and indeed a few players that Celtic wanted didn’t want to go to the club and went elsewhere.
It was devious individuals that hid behind the name of CBC and used this to their advantage. Chase the perpetrators.
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posted on 12/3/19
i dont disagree mate, its a minefield tho.
the minute celtic apologise they accept responsibility which then leaves them wide open to blame & claim.
i think they should do whats right, if it buggers the club then so be it, this is more important than football.
posted on 12/3/19
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble - Stage 1 complete. (U8919)
posted 3 minutes ago
i dont disagree mate, its a minefield tho.
the minute celtic apologise they accept responsibility which then leaves them wide open to blame & claim.
i think they should do whats right, if it buggers the club then so be it, this is more important than football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can apologise on behalf of someone or something else. It doesn't mean you take on liability.
Celtic (nor any other business) will see themselves fold or be put in a position where there's even a remote possibility of doing so. Legally they have no case to answer so I just can't see that ever happening.
Morally however then I feel that once any more investigations are finalised (on a case by case basis) then we should make a "without prejudice" offer of counselling, loss of earnings and the like or certainly cover the costs of them.
In any event this can't go to a court so anything we may do will be seen as a gesture of goodwill whilst claiming zero liability. That's of course if we do anything at all.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 24 seconds ago
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
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They probably are. There’s a bit of me thinks they’re quite right-it’s the culture of the world now. But the cynical side of me totally agrees. I’m not really sure how that would work anyway-how enforceable would that be?!
I get that the board have to tread carefully and from the legal perspective I understand it-but I’d rather there was a more proactive way of them dealing with it.
My old school is in the news with similar allegations in the last couple of weeks and I’ve been talking to some of my old school pals about it-not one of us even heard a rumour about it the whole time we were there. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, but it’s a bit odd that not one of us knew a thing about it.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not even a legal option hence why it's just rumours.
The only scenario like that as I understand things are libel cases brought from a US case to the UK as our courts have more powers to award higher damages.
You can't just claim a court case in another country because they have different rules. If you could why not do it in Singapore and go for the death penalty?
The one above is only because the UK allow it and there has to be a link to the UK.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not even a legal option hence why it's just rumours.
The only scenario like that as I understand things are libel cases brought from a US case to the UK as our courts have more powers to award higher damages.
You can't just claim a court case in another country because they have different rules. If you could why not do it in Singapore and go for the death penalty?
The one above is only because the UK allow it and there has to be a link to the UK.
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I think it's because the alleged crime took place on US soil mate?
posted on 12/3/19
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posted on 12/3/19
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posted on 12/3/19
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not even a legal option hence why it's just rumours.
The only scenario like that as I understand things are libel cases brought from a US case to the UK as our courts have more powers to award higher damages.
You can't just claim a court case in another country because they have different rules. If you could why not do it in Singapore and go for the death penalty?
The one above is only because the UK allow it and there has to be a link to the UK.
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I think it's because the alleged crime took place on US soil mate?
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I didn't know that
In which case any plaintiffs will need some serious wedge to hire lawyers over there on a case from decades ago against a business who is a separate legal entity from the one accused and found responsible for these crimes. It's a civil court matter so they'll need a lot of money and time.
If anything this will be settled out of court rooms. The club won't want the publicity for one thing.
In any event the club are not responsible.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 3 minutes ago
There's still rumours about some people suing in the USA because it happened on a boys club tour.
Maybe i'm a bit heartless here but i think anyone who goes all the way to USA to try get more money out of it is potentially someone who's in this for one thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's not even a legal option hence why it's just rumours.
The only scenario like that as I understand things are libel cases brought from a US case to the UK as our courts have more powers to award higher damages.
You can't just claim a court case in another country because they have different rules. If you could why not do it in Singapore and go for the death penalty?
The one above is only because the UK allow it and there has to be a link to the UK.
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I think it's because the alleged crime took place on US soil mate?
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And the publicity generated.
One wonders if this will be funded by others?
posted on 12/3/19
‘Legally they have no case to answer so I just can't see that ever happening.’
I still don’t think that’s entirely true. If it goes to court, I think a decent lawyer will run right through that.
posted on 12/3/19
Without wanting to get technical, I think the statute of limitations in E&W is around 4 years from the age of 18 for these kinds of cases. I am not sure exactly what it is up here in Scotland, but I would imagine it is broadly the same. And thus, could claims be taken to civil court against Celtic, or anyone else?
posted on 12/3/19
legally maybe not but as soon as celtic accept responsibility the media are all over it.
counselling and some sort of compensation for the victims would at least help in some way.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
Without wanting to get technical, I think the statute of limitations in E&W is around 4 years from the age of 18 for these kinds of cases. I am not sure exactly what it is up here in Scotland, but I would imagine it is broadly the same. And thus, could claims be taken to civil court against Celtic, or anyone else?
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I think that’s been removed.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 55 seconds ago
‘Legally they have no case to answer so I just can't see that ever happening.’
I still don’t think that’s entirely true. If it goes to court, I think a decent lawyer will run right through that.
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I don't think they have a chance in hell to be honest. And as above there are statutes of limitations.
Can anyone see witnesses dashing over to the states for hearing after hearing in a class action in any event?
As I said, the minute Celtic believe they are not on a strong legal footing they will look to settle this quickly and with the minimum of fuss. That's what a lawyer will want for the plaintiffs while he is on a percentage earner plus expenses. It goes to trial (can't ever see it) and anything can happen and the plaintiffs won't risk that.
The U S is the land of the deal.
posted on 12/3/19
can ginger not just pay them?
posted on 12/3/19
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
Without wanting to get technical, I think the statute of limitations in E&W is around 4 years from the age of 18 for these kinds of cases. I am not sure exactly what it is up here in Scotland, but I would imagine it is broadly the same. And thus, could claims be taken to civil court against Celtic, or anyone else?
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I think that’s been removed.
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I thought that was for criminal prosecutions not civil? I tried a quick google and the didn't fail to disappoint.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble - Stage 1 complete. (U8919)
posted 22 seconds ago
can ginger not just pay them?
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wtf?
posted on 12/3/19
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
Without wanting to get technical, I think the statute of limitations in E&W is around 4 years from the age of 18 for these kinds of cases. I am not sure exactly what it is up here in Scotland, but I would imagine it is broadly the same. And thus, could claims be taken to civil court against Celtic, or anyone else?
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I think that’s been removed.
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I thought that was for criminal prosecutions not civil? I tried a quick google and the didn't fail to disappoint.
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https://www.parliament.scot/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/102163.aspx
posted on 12/3/19
It's sometimes easy to forget what some of these victims went through and the fact they had absolutely no one to turn too is sickening.
The police even turned a blind eye ffs.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble - Stage 1 complete. (U8919)
posted 22 seconds ago
can ginger not just pay them?
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wtf?
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take one for the team mate
posted on 12/3/19
comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 2 minutes ago
It's sometimes easy to forget what some of these victims went through and the fact they had absolutely no one to turn too is sickening.
The police even turned a blind eye ffs.
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One of many things that was just ‘accepted’ at the time. Child abuse, domestic abuse-just not taken seriously enough.
posted on 12/3/19
nnh
football is insignificant to the horrors these people went through, if it buggers celtic then so be it, i'd never choose a football cllub over something as disgraceful as this.
posted on 12/3/19
I was reading an article on this not so long ago and the case against Celtic is that they were closely linked with their agreement that Celtic got the pick of the bunch for letting them use their facilities. Celtic FC were not the only club to benefit from players coming through their ranks and indeed several Scottish clubs took players from CBC and indeed a few players that Celtic wanted didn’t want to go to the club and went elsewhere.
posted on 12/3/19
It was devious individuals that hid behind the name of CBC and used this to their advantage. Chase the perpetrators.
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