I don't disagree that if anyone abused wants compensation then they could - and should - pursue the abusers. The criminal case is concluded - a civil case against them would be a walk in the park.
I still think Celtic owe some kind of duty of care, and I'd rather they addressed it in a better fashion than they have. And yes, I get the argument that they are leaving themselves open, etc. It just doesn't sit right with me and will forever leave a stain on the club.
celtic knew, i have no doubt about that.
seems stein knew about it as well, i believe told to keep quiet so i won't villify him for it, but i think he was aware for sure.
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 24 minutes ago
It was devious individuals that hid behind the name of CBC and used this to their advantage. Chase the perpetrators.
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They have chased them. Would you not like celtic to offer some form of monetary help? Given the negative effect on the lives of these people, putting it mildly.
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble - Stage 1 complete. (U8919)
posted 17 minutes ago
celtic knew, i have no doubt about that.
seems stein knew about it as well, i believe told to keep quiet so i won't villify him for it, but i think he was aware for sure.
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Probably thought sacking him was enough. Wasn't too know he would die and a new board would be in.
Tragic, unfortunate set of circumstances.
Having said all that, there's nothing to say the police would have prevented it either had someone spoke up.
Like most people back then, it was literally swept under the carpet.
It wouldn't happen now, far too many people who will expose them and rightly so.
Celtic as a club are culpable in the fact we knew what that b@stard was doing and still hired him back.
Celtic as a club are culpable in the fact we knew what that b@stard was doing and still hired him back.
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animals quite frankly.
What the author was saying is that EVERY club who took players from CBC are they to be held responsible as well? Celtic should have stopped taking players from them once Torbett was exposed.
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 13 minutes ago
Celtic hired who back?
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Not discussing this with you. Nothing can be gained.
Good to see everyone else able to offer opinions without their club skewing their perspective.
Nnh and jfk have it here.
Celtic are responsible as they knew about it, didn't report it and then let the same individuals back to do it again.
That's certainly what's been established in the recent court cases and has completely changed my opinion on this matter.
I agree with the point a few have made on man City. They can afford this and are maybe being a bit contradictory given owners stance on human rights.
What man City can be applauded for though is that it was them that called for the independant enquiry when they allegations emerged.
Should celtic at least take this step?
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
Nnh and jfk have it here.
Celtic are responsible as they knew about it, didn't report it and then let the same individuals back to do it again.
That's certainly what's been established in the recent court cases and has completely changed my opinion on this matter.
I agree with the point a few have made on man City. They can afford this and are maybe being a bit contradictory given owners stance on human rights.
What man City can be applauded for though is that it was them that called for the independant enquiry when they allegations emerged.
Should celtic at least take this step?
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I'm not clued up enough to know what is the absolute correct way to deal with this if there even is one.
Think it's fair to say though that JFK et al have the right idea when it comes to this. It's about the victims - not football
Lauders. Who did Celtic hire?
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 3 minutes ago
Lauders. Who did Celtic hire?
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I've explained my stance on this
Cheerio
Just to note-I’m pretty certain that McCann did order an investigation after allegations were made on a boys club trip to America, and also had a confidential line opened for anyone that wanted to contact the club about any allegations. I doubt McCann would be one to sweep anything away, but I don’t think anything came of it.
So Celtic didn’t hire the man in question, is that what your saying. Celtic FC would be hung, drawn and quartered if they had ANY involvement with this abuse.
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 9 seconds ago
So Celtic didn’t hire the man in question, is that what your saying. Celtic FC would be hung, drawn and quartered if they had ANY involvement with this abuse.
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You’ve got your head in the sand if you think that Celtic had no influence over the boys club.
My head is not in the sand at all. I find it strange that after all this time, given the anti Celtic feeling that runs deep in Scotland, that no one has taken Celtic FC to task over this. Im absolutely certain there are lawyers out there that would wish nothing more to see Celtic FC in the gutter. I will wait until the court case and see the facts presented before i pass judgement.
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comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 22 minutes ago
My head is not in the sand at all. I find it strange that after all this time, given the anti Celtic feeling that runs deep in Scotland, that no one has taken Celtic FC to task over this. Im absolutely certain there are lawyers out there that would wish nothing more to see Celtic FC in the gutter. I will wait until the court case and see the facts presented before i pass judgement.
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Same reason others got away with it for years-look at Jimmy Saville ffs. No one took him to task for it for decades either.
As for waiting to pass judgement, you’ve already made your stance clear on it bubble. You’ve absolutely refused to entertain even the notion that Celtic has any responsibility.
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Celtic absolutely have a moral responsibility and that to me is why they must do something and be seen to be doing it as I've said many times already.
I can only hope they are still trying to understand and comprehend the scale of it just now and try and quantify it before making appropriate statements and whatever compensation is suitable which to me is a minimum of counselling and therapy treatments and costs along with loss of earnings etc.
Compensation for suffering is always going to be very difficult to assess although I'm certain there are legal guidelines.
Stein kicking him out of CBC, not Celtic FC. Kelly invites him back in to CBC . Now was Kelly and Stein doing this outwith their roles at Celtic Football Club?
I really don’t see what Celtic FC can do. Was the Man City perpetrator employed by the Club?
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 8 minutes ago
I really don’t see what Celtic FC can do. Was the Man City perpetrator employed by the Club?
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Ask for an independent enquiry like city did?
Especially if as you seem convinced celtic have no responsibility, accountability or case to answer. Surely an independent independent enquiry would be in celtic interest?
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 14 minutes ago
Stein kicking him out of CBC, not Celtic FC. Kelly invites him back in to CBC . Now was Kelly and Stein doing this outwith their roles at Celtic Football Club?
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But you won’t pass judgment
How could someone either kick out or employ a person if they’re nothing to do with CBC, and when employed by Celtic?! What roles outwith Celtic would allow them to do that? And why would they have dual roles if there was no link?!
It’s a sordid, tawdry mess, and the sooner it’s dealt with the better. This isn’t about a club or allegiances, it’s about young boys being systematically abused.
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posted on 12/3/19
I don't disagree that if anyone abused wants compensation then they could - and should - pursue the abusers. The criminal case is concluded - a civil case against them would be a walk in the park.
I still think Celtic owe some kind of duty of care, and I'd rather they addressed it in a better fashion than they have. And yes, I get the argument that they are leaving themselves open, etc. It just doesn't sit right with me and will forever leave a stain on the club.
posted on 12/3/19
celtic knew, i have no doubt about that.
seems stein knew about it as well, i believe told to keep quiet so i won't villify him for it, but i think he was aware for sure.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 24 minutes ago
It was devious individuals that hid behind the name of CBC and used this to their advantage. Chase the perpetrators.
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They have chased them. Would you not like celtic to offer some form of monetary help? Given the negative effect on the lives of these people, putting it mildly.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble - Stage 1 complete. (U8919)
posted 17 minutes ago
celtic knew, i have no doubt about that.
seems stein knew about it as well, i believe told to keep quiet so i won't villify him for it, but i think he was aware for sure.
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Probably thought sacking him was enough. Wasn't too know he would die and a new board would be in.
Tragic, unfortunate set of circumstances.
Having said all that, there's nothing to say the police would have prevented it either had someone spoke up.
posted on 12/3/19
Like most people back then, it was literally swept under the carpet.
It wouldn't happen now, far too many people who will expose them and rightly so.
Celtic as a club are culpable in the fact we knew what that b@stard was doing and still hired him back.
posted on 12/3/19
Celtic as a club are culpable in the fact we knew what that b@stard was doing and still hired him back.
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animals quite frankly.
posted on 12/3/19
Celtic hired who back?
posted on 12/3/19
What the author was saying is that EVERY club who took players from CBC are they to be held responsible as well? Celtic should have stopped taking players from them once Torbett was exposed.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 13 minutes ago
Celtic hired who back?
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Not discussing this with you. Nothing can be gained.
Good to see everyone else able to offer opinions without their club skewing their perspective.
posted on 12/3/19
Nnh and jfk have it here.
Celtic are responsible as they knew about it, didn't report it and then let the same individuals back to do it again.
That's certainly what's been established in the recent court cases and has completely changed my opinion on this matter.
I agree with the point a few have made on man City. They can afford this and are maybe being a bit contradictory given owners stance on human rights.
What man City can be applauded for though is that it was them that called for the independant enquiry when they allegations emerged.
Should celtic at least take this step?
posted on 12/3/19
comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 8 minutes ago
Nnh and jfk have it here.
Celtic are responsible as they knew about it, didn't report it and then let the same individuals back to do it again.
That's certainly what's been established in the recent court cases and has completely changed my opinion on this matter.
I agree with the point a few have made on man City. They can afford this and are maybe being a bit contradictory given owners stance on human rights.
What man City can be applauded for though is that it was them that called for the independant enquiry when they allegations emerged.
Should celtic at least take this step?
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I'm not clued up enough to know what is the absolute correct way to deal with this if there even is one.
Think it's fair to say though that JFK et al have the right idea when it comes to this. It's about the victims - not football
posted on 12/3/19
Lauders. Who did Celtic hire?
posted on 12/3/19
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 3 minutes ago
Lauders. Who did Celtic hire?
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I've explained my stance on this
Cheerio
posted on 12/3/19
Just to note-I’m pretty certain that McCann did order an investigation after allegations were made on a boys club trip to America, and also had a confidential line opened for anyone that wanted to contact the club about any allegations. I doubt McCann would be one to sweep anything away, but I don’t think anything came of it.
posted on 12/3/19
So Celtic didn’t hire the man in question, is that what your saying. Celtic FC would be hung, drawn and quartered if they had ANY involvement with this abuse.
posted on 12/3/19
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 9 seconds ago
So Celtic didn’t hire the man in question, is that what your saying. Celtic FC would be hung, drawn and quartered if they had ANY involvement with this abuse.
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You’ve got your head in the sand if you think that Celtic had no influence over the boys club.
posted on 12/3/19
My head is not in the sand at all. I find it strange that after all this time, given the anti Celtic feeling that runs deep in Scotland, that no one has taken Celtic FC to task over this. Im absolutely certain there are lawyers out there that would wish nothing more to see Celtic FC in the gutter. I will wait until the court case and see the facts presented before i pass judgement.
posted on 12/3/19
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posted on 12/3/19
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 22 minutes ago
My head is not in the sand at all. I find it strange that after all this time, given the anti Celtic feeling that runs deep in Scotland, that no one has taken Celtic FC to task over this. Im absolutely certain there are lawyers out there that would wish nothing more to see Celtic FC in the gutter. I will wait until the court case and see the facts presented before i pass judgement.
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Same reason others got away with it for years-look at Jimmy Saville ffs. No one took him to task for it for decades either.
As for waiting to pass judgement, you’ve already made your stance clear on it bubble. You’ve absolutely refused to entertain even the notion that Celtic has any responsibility.
posted on 12/3/19
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posted on 12/3/19
Celtic absolutely have a moral responsibility and that to me is why they must do something and be seen to be doing it as I've said many times already.
I can only hope they are still trying to understand and comprehend the scale of it just now and try and quantify it before making appropriate statements and whatever compensation is suitable which to me is a minimum of counselling and therapy treatments and costs along with loss of earnings etc.
Compensation for suffering is always going to be very difficult to assess although I'm certain there are legal guidelines.
posted on 12/3/19
Stein kicking him out of CBC, not Celtic FC. Kelly invites him back in to CBC . Now was Kelly and Stein doing this outwith their roles at Celtic Football Club?
posted on 12/3/19
I really don’t see what Celtic FC can do. Was the Man City perpetrator employed by the Club?
posted on 12/3/19
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 8 minutes ago
I really don’t see what Celtic FC can do. Was the Man City perpetrator employed by the Club?
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Ask for an independent enquiry like city did?
Especially if as you seem convinced celtic have no responsibility, accountability or case to answer. Surely an independent independent enquiry would be in celtic interest?
posted on 12/3/19
comment by bubblebhoy (U3429)
posted 14 minutes ago
Stein kicking him out of CBC, not Celtic FC. Kelly invites him back in to CBC . Now was Kelly and Stein doing this outwith their roles at Celtic Football Club?
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But you won’t pass judgment
How could someone either kick out or employ a person if they’re nothing to do with CBC, and when employed by Celtic?! What roles outwith Celtic would allow them to do that? And why would they have dual roles if there was no link?!
It’s a sordid, tawdry mess, and the sooner it’s dealt with the better. This isn’t about a club or allegiances, it’s about young boys being systematically abused.
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